Poll for height and Y HG

[Geto-Thracian]

Let's see if we can associate height to any particular HG

I guess just pick your choice and state your height and then I will do the math and post the statistics.

[EliasAlucard]

Have you read this thread?

Haplogroups and their role in determining phenotypes (split) //mod (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=103)

[Pallantides]

I'm R1b1b2a1a1* and 182 cm

[Geto-Thracian]

I am R1b1b2a1a2 (P-312*) and 6'2" or 188 cm.

[Wulffie]

Height more correlates to the country you were raised in :p

[Stygian Cellarius]

R1a1a*

183cm or 6'

[cadwallon]

R1b1b2 (subclade not determined yet) and I'm 6 ft.

[Geto-Thracian]

I also have two friends who are R1b's and they are 6'3" and 6'1" (Irish, and German)

[Decimator]

I'm sure there are some pure Alpinoids that are r1b and not as tall as you all are.

[Geto-Thracian]

I'm sure there are some pure Alpinoids that are r1b and not as tall as you all are.

of course, but maybe the classic alpinoids are not R1b. So far we are all above six feet tall.

I have often suspected we represent the warrior class.

We need some other Hg's to chime in. where are all the I's J's and E's???

[Decimator]

of course, but maybe the classic alpinoids are not R1b. So far we are all above six feet tall.

I have often suspected we represent the warrior class.

We need some other Hg's to chime in. where are all the I's J's and E's???

And you are also all from first world, developed countries.

Height also has to do with diet and many other factors such as stress.

Look at a chart from the average height of troops born in the mid-nineteenth century, by country or place.
Country ↓ Metric Height ↓
Australia 172 cm
U.S. 171 cm
Norway 169 cm
Ireland 168 cm
Scotland 168 cm
Sweden 168 cm
Bohemia 167 cm
Lower Austria 167 cm
Moravia 166 cm
England 166 cm
France 165 cm
Wales 165 cm
Russia 165 cm
Germany 164 cm
Italy 164 cm
Netherlands 164 cm
Spain 162 cm

As you can see, it's far lower than the averages of this days.

[Geto-Thracian]

And you are also all from first world, developed countries.

Height also has to do with diet and many other factors such as stress.

Look at a chart from the average height of troops born in the mid-nineteenth century, by country or place.
Country ↓ Metric Height ↓
Australia 172 cm
U.S. 171 cm
Norway 169 cm
Ireland 168 cm
Scotland 168 cm
Sweden 168 cm
Bohemia 167 cm
Lower Austria 167 cm
Moravia 166 cm
England 166 cm
France 165 cm
Wales 165 cm
Russia 165 cm
Germany 164 cm
Italy 164 cm
Netherlands 164 cm
Spain 162 cm

As you can see, it's far lower than the averages of this days.

Sure, but all these things apply to all people who will take part in this. Most of us on this forum are well fed people from first-world conditions even if we are not all from the first world. Not many people who care about these subjects are poor.

[rogers]

I2 and 186cm.

[Ozrage]

R1a1a*

184 cm or just above 6 feet tall. Which is a little bit over the average height for Swedish men.

[Polako]

R1a1a

189-190cm (6'2" or 6'3")

[Sevastopol]

181cm height and probably done growing.

[Cail]

I am I1a and 179 cm, though i am still growing i think (more than 4 cm last year).

[Froll]

R1a1a. 5'8''

[Sevastopol]

Average height for males, to compare yourself to :

Iran: 1.73 m (5 ft 8+1⁄2 in)

Germany: 1.78 m (5 ft 10 in)

Denmark: 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in)

Dinaric Alps (West-Balkans): 1.85 m (6 ft 1 in)

Iraq: 1.65 m (5 ft 5 in)

Japan: 1.70 m (5 ft 7 in)

Lithuania: 1.76 m (5 ft 9+1⁄2 in)

South Korea: 1.74 m (5 ft 8+1⁄2 in)

Mexico: 1.630 m (5 ft 4 in)

Spain 1.780 m (5 ft 10 in)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

[Ozrage]

I am I1a and 179 cm, though i am still growing i think (more than 4 cm last year).

You are still growing in your 20:is? Pretty unusual. Are you still in your puberty? :p Only teasing.

[Cail]

You are still growing in your 20:is? Pretty unusual. Are you still in your puberty? :p Only teasing.

Yep, i'm kinda late bloomer i guess (you saw my photoes, so you might know it already :<<). I've hit 174cm by 13 years, but than just stopped. I was very surprised when at 20 i started growing again, and pretty fast too.

What's worse, i get pimples on my face again, just like i did when i was 13. There weren't any in 13-20, but now i've to do everything i can to get rid of them (wash my face with soap twice a day, use Clearasil, et cetera).

[Ozrage]

Yep, i'm kinda late bloomer i guess (you saw my photoes, so you might know it already :<<). I've hit 174cm by 13 years, but than just stopped. I was very surprised when at 20 i started growing again, and pretty fast too.

What's worse, i get pimples on my face again, just like i did when i was 13. There weren't any in 13-20, but now i've to do everything i can to get rid of them (wash my face with soap twice a day, use Clearasil, et cetera).
Oh man, that sucks. Seems like your hormone-carburetor is out of wack. Don't mean to rip on you but that is not really a normal growth rate right? Puberty does not just go on hold for 7 years.

[Nazi Ufo Commander]

I have no idea what my HG is,
I am I1a and 179 cm, though i am still growing i think (more than 4 cm last year).
In width I guess?;):p

[Sevastopol]

BTW I am ectomorph-mesomorph, what are you guys?
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/somato_types.jpg

[Cail]

Mesomorph half-way to endomorph.

[Paul_Johnsen]

R1a1a 182-183 cm, which is pretty average for southern Norwegians.

[cadwallon]

BTW I am ectomorph-mesomorph, what are you guys?
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/somato_types.jpg

Endomorph.

[Balder]

I1-N* and 183cm.

[quotablepatella]

I'm I1 and 176cm/around 5ft 9.5ins.

[Graeme]

Isn't your height more to do with your generation and age? People of all races, ethnic groups and countries are all taller than their predecessors.

This forum is not really representative of your nations or all the people in your countries. I have been to Norway, Sweden, Denmark and the Netherlands. There are lots of short arses there. Forums like this really are for unusual people in our case ones interested in biodiversity. Most people are not interested in biodiversity or are even under thirty years of age. I don't know the average age in Australia but it would be somewhere between thirty and forty. People under 30 are a minority in Australia, N.Z, U.S.A, Europe as a whole, Canada, Japan and other developed countries.

I am not tall, but I can tell you both my parents were 152 cm tall. I have a brother two years my junior who is 152 cm tall. He ate the same food as me, lived under the same conditions. I am mesomorphic.

I am 178 cm tall, paternal J1e, maternal V. I am also a lot older than most of you, but relax, I am not wiser.

[Natsuya]

O3a3c-M134* and 180 cm

[Froll]

R1a1a* 5'8''.

I would not have met the minimum requirements for those mighty R1a1a* Persian armies

[Rochefaton]

R-S26 (R1b1b2a1a1c)

177-178 cm

Edit: Sorry. I didn't mean to reply to your post Natsuya.

[Humata]

I am an R, and 182cm. As is my father (181cm), brother (185cm) and paternal cousin (193cm).

[oditous]

I1, 1m86

[Humanist]

G1* - 5'10" (178cm)

[Semitic Duwa]

J1c3d-L147>5'9":)

[euromax]

R1b

170.68 cm(5'6") and still growing

[Atzekalle]

my HG is R1b1b2 and 183cm

[noricum]

R1a/177cm

[sturmgewehr]

180 cm, I don't know my HG

[Splicer]

I would think Y haplogroup would have a better (if any) correlation with the length of the penis than the skeleton, though I doubt the answers could be trusted.

[Belisarius]

I2a1 as far as I remember(I've done this test some time ago) and I was 193 cm back in 2nd grade(16 years) but I don't know if I've grown more since then since I haven't had height check

[jourdan]

G2a3a1 and 180 cm

[HarrisonHye]

I'm J2a4h1a1 and 6'1.2" or 186 cm

[Eburos]

R1a1 and 5'10"

[krotx]

E1b1b1a, 193cm/6"4 feet.

[SilverKnight]

R1b
5'7

[Azvarohi]

180 cm.

[Lemminkäinen]

I1 and 182cm

[Grasshoppa]

Dumb. :|

[Stez]

I1 195 cm (6'5) i believe :)

[Canto]

N1c1 and 183 cm (6')

[kimsmarkin]

I also have two friends who are R1b's and they are 6'2" and 6'5" (Irish, and German).

[AlexDelarge]

R1b1b2a1a2, 177 cm.

[Aetius]

1.80

[BeijaFlor]

R1b....

1.8M

[Fylgi]

R1b1b2a1a1* and about 190 cm.

Mind you I do not have my height from my fathers R1b1b2a1a1* line, as he was from Funen where people in general often used to be a bit shorter than in many other parts of Denmark.

I have my height from my mothers fathers part of the family from northern Jutland, ex. a great grandfather who was over 2 m tall.

Martin

[Not Valid]

Let's see ...

No need. It does not correlate.

[polyhedron]

O3a3c1-M117 and 1.71m

[Atesh]

Does 23andme provide Y-DNA?

[They_Shimmer]

of course, but maybe the classic alpinoids are not R1b. So far we are all above six feet tall.

I have often suspected we represent the warrior class.

We need some other Hg's to chime in. where are all the I's J's and E's???

The Ideal height would be around 5ft 10" Which is the ideal height for Mr Universe, Olympia, Body building competitions.

Ronnie Dean "Big Ron" Coleman 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)

Sergio Oliva 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)

OR around 5 feet and 5 inches in height, is also a very good foundation. Franco Columbu 5 Ft. 5 in. 180-185 lbs (contest) Columbu competed in the 1977 World's Strongest Man competition and was actually in first place

Height really isn't all that important, but composition. As long as the body carries enough extra lean mass. And is adult, then that should do it.

And remember it's the shorter tibia.

[Lindseyf]

I am E1b1a1f5 (L372); 6' 4"":thumbsup:

[Euro]

179, R1b
English and Scots heritage
Blood Group A

[Jusarius]

Haplogroups dont't have anything to do with height nor any other phenotypic feature at the individual level. Maybe something can be concluded by looking at the haplogroup distribution of a people and comparing it to the average height of that people. Since Y haplgroups are connected only to some Y chromosomal genes (which are very few) it cannot predict any phenotypic feature.

[Memphis]

R-P312 and 1.90 m

[amenoameno]

R1a1, 5'9-5'10

[Geto-Thracian]

R-P312 and 1.90 m

Cool, there are now 5 P-312's on this board and we are all above six feet tall. There is one more on the other forum and he is 6'5".

[Ashina]

My dad is R1b1b2a and he is 1.84

[Loxias]

G2a (but not G2a2 nor G2a3) and roughly 183cm.

[Jusarius]

The mean height so far is 182,4 cm.

[Day Tripper]

The mean height so far is 182,4 cm.

Taller than every country in the world, except for the young people of the Netherlands.

[Cynewald]

i1 height 177cm or about 5ft10

[Euro]

Taller than every country in the world, except for the young people of the Netherlands.

Self reported heights are always rounded up, i think 2-3cm could easily be taken off...

I know one American gu for example who thought I was 6'2, I was like wtf, im 180cm....

Some people have no clue...

[Day Tripper]

Self reported heights are always rounded up, i think 2-3cm could easily be taken off...

I know one American gu for example who thought I was 6'2, I was like wtf, im 180cm....

Some people have no clue...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12667732


Self-reported heights at Time 1 and Time 2 were highly correlated, and the mean difference between height at Time 1 and Time 2 was small. Results were similar for self-reported weight at Time 1 and Time 2 and body mass index (BMI) calculated from these values. Although self-reported values of height, weight, and BMI were highly correlated with their measured values, on average, students overreported their height by 2.7 inches and underreported their weight by 3.5 pounds. Resulting BMI values were an average of 2.6 kg/m(2) lower when based on self-reported vs. measured values. The percentages of students classified as "overweight" or "at risk for overweight" were therefore lower when based on self-reported rather than on measured values. White students were more likely than those in other race/ethnic groups to overreport their height, and the tendency to overreport height increased by grade. Female students were more likely than male students to underreport their weight.

:lol:

The discrepancy is probably less extreme in adults, though.

[Bittereinder]

I actually think these figures are fairly realistic. I am at about 1.73 m, which is objectively not really that short, yet I think I'm the shortest male in my social group. Height is always relative to an extent; my peer group (Northern European college-age males) just happens to be one of the tallest categories in the world, and many of the people here belong to that category. Now of course, if I went to Bolivia or Cambodia, I would be one of the taller people around.

[Hybrid99]

I'm of average height in my social group, i'm 184cm tall, and my Y-DNA HG is E1b1a7

[sgc2009]

I'm N1b (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)#Haplogroup_N1b), 182 cm

[punkrockcowboy]

R1b 185cm or 6'1

[Pioterus]

I2a2a-Din and quite average for northern Poland 180cm

[Lasituacion]

Well im 182 cm i think its like 5 11" 1/2

[Arminfrench]

6'.0". :) and my arm span is 6'5"

I think this topic already exist!!!.

[Breogan]

My Y hg is I2b1 and I'm 174 cm or 5'8"

[takoja]

If I had to make a guess, I'd say haplogroup I people are propably the tallest on average, after that comes N1C1 and then the rest.

[Breogan]

If I had to make a guess, I'd say haplogroup I people are propably the tallest on average, after that comes N1C1 and then the rest.

If that's the case I got cheated!! :confused:

[Atesh]

Q1b: 170 cm - 5'6''

[Harrignos]

J2 and 188~189cm or a little over 6'2"..

[jibarodepr]

Q1b: 170 cm - 5'6''You are mexican looking.

[Debian]

I am R1b1b2a1a2 (P-312*) and 6'2" or 188 cm.

Wow you are tall for being a darkie haha

[quotablepatella]

Wow you are tall for being a darkie haha

Are you and your inferiority complex still here?

[Debian]

Are you and your inferiority complex still here?

It was kind of ironic, the few romanians i have met have been shorter than myself, and im only 180cm/ 5'11

[Atesh]

You are mexican looking.

In 1935 Atatürk sent an ambassador to Mexico to do research if Turks (http://www.astroset.com/bireysel_gelisim/ancient/a28.htm) and Mayans (http://viewzone2.com/ancientturksx.html) had connections to the lost continent of Mu.

[jibarodepr]

In 1935 Atatürk sent an ambassador to Mexico to do research if Turks (http://www.astroset.com/bireysel_gelisim/ancient/a28.htm) and Mayans (http://viewzone2.com/ancientturksx.html) had connections to the lost continent of Mu.Where was that continet located?

[Day Tripper]

Where was that continet located?

In their imaginations.

[jibarodepr]

In their imaginations.It is your name Atesh?I think not, please let him answer the question. ;)

---------- Post added 2011-05-19 at 16:05 ----------

Well, Mu could be one of the answers of how South American Indians got from Asia to America, at least it is more credible that they came througth this continent than to navigate in small wooden boats all the way from Asia to America throguht the enormous Pacific Ocean.

[Day Tripper]

It is your name Atesh?I think not, please let him answer the question. ;)

---------- Post added 2011-05-19 at 16:05 ----------

Well, Mu could be one of the answers of how South American Indians got from Asia to America, at least it is more credible that they came througth this continent than to navigate in small wooden boats all the way from Asia to America throguht the enormous Pacific Ocean.

I can't quite tell if you're just screwing around, or...?

82042

[jibarodepr]

I can't quite tell if you're just screwing around, or...?

82042But it seems that South American people had a similar phenotype to phillipnes and pacific island people, that is where my hypothesis is coming from.

[Atesh]

In their imaginations.


After the establishment of Türk Tarih Kurumu (Turkish Office of History, 1930) in 1932 through several researches, one day, ancient languages specialist, scientist and retired general Tahsin Mayatepek mentions about the similarities between Mayan language and Turkish language to Ataturk in one of their conversations (The Mayan word for “tepe” (=hill) was “tepek”. Footnote: People were obliged to choose surnames after the foundation of Turkey. No surnames before..). Mayatepek tells him that such similarities were counted to be over 100. Ataturk, after being impressed with the conversation, assigned Tahsin Mayatepek as the Turkish ambassador in Mexico, to give him the opportunity for a deeper research. Mayatepek, who had got to meet William Niven during his researches in Mexico, could not only have the opportunity to work on the tablets Niven discovered but also got to know the presence of Churchward’s finished piece of work after 50 years of research on Mu civilization. Following the regular and continuous acknowledgements about the improvements on the subject to Atat&#252;rk, a copy of Churchward’s book was brought to Turkey and was examined by a comission of 40-50 specialists and scientists. Ataturk had personally observed the studies about the Turkish language and symbols, the Naacal tablets of Niven, Mayan language and symbols and Churchward’s books, and held his own memos and records about it. These books that were kept by Turkish Office Of Language until 60’s, were taken to the Anıtkabir (Ataturk’s Mauseloum) Archive later on. Today, they are still kept with Ataturks original remarks and memos as well.

Atlantis is never scientifically proven either but it is concidered a part of Greek mythology, so can the lost continent of Mu be for the Mayans and Turks. After all, there were physical, linguïstic, theological and cultural similarities between the two nations.

---------- Post added 2011-05-19 at 20:47 ----------


Where was that continet located?

It is speculated that it lay between Asia and the Americas, in the Pacific Ocean (http://www.earth-history.com/Various/_images/fig043.jpg).

---------- Post added 2011-05-19 at 20:50 ----------


I can't quite tell if you're just screwing around, or...?

82042

This is how the Siberians or Turkic people migrated to the Americas via the Beiring Straight during the Ice Age (or vice versa). It is widely awknolegded by both Northern Native Americans and Turkic people that they descent from each other either way. It's just a question if this is also the case for the Mayans since this took place millenia before people crossed the Beiring Straight.

[Day Tripper]

But it seems that South American people had a similar phenotype to phillipnes and pacific island people, that is where my hypothesis is coming from.

Load up an IBS similarity matrix from Eurogenes or wherever (like this one (http://bga101.blogspot.com/2011/04/genetic-distance-matrix-including-2000.html)). When I do this and pick a Mayan, and sort from most similar to least similar, the large-scale pattern is clear. First non-Mayan is Colombian (partial descendent of South American Indians), then Pima (North American Indian), Athabasks (North American Indian), East Greenlanders (North American Indian), Chukchi (Siberian), Mexican (partial descendent of South American Indians), West_Greenland (North American Indian), Guatemalan (partial descendent of South American Indians), Koryak (Siberian), Yukagir(Siberian)...I won’t list each population individually past this point, but the next big groups to come along are East Asians, then Southeast Asians. Before any other old-worlder, I count several Chukchi people.

About the Chukchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukchi_people).


In his book The Journey of Man: A Genetic Odyssey, American geneticist Spencer Wells shows how the Chukchi migrated northeast from Central Asia, following reindeer. An even smaller group, estimated at no more than 20 Chukchi, crossed what is now the Bering Sea approximately 13,000 years ago during the last glacial period, and migrated into North America. They are the ancestors of Native Americans, and 800 hundred years later, they had reached as far as South America.

Cool, huh?

[Day Tripper]

After the establishment of Türk Tarih Kurumu (Turkish Office of History, 1930) in 1932 through several researches, one day, ancient languages specialist, scientist and retired general Tahsin Mayatepek mentions about the similarities between Mayan language and Turkish language to Ataturk in one of their conversations (The Mayan word for “tepe” (=hill) was “tepek”. Footnote: People were obliged to choose surnames after the foundation of Turkey. No surnames before..). Mayatepek tells him that such similarities were counted to be over 100. Ataturk, after being impressed with the conversation, assigned Tahsin Mayatepek as the Turkish ambassador in Mexico, to give him the opportunity for a deeper research. Mayatepek, who had got to meet William Niven during his researches in Mexico, could not only have the opportunity to work on the tablets Niven discovered but also got to know the presence of Churchward’s finished piece of work after 50 years of research on Mu civilization. Following the regular and continuous acknowledgements about the improvements on the subject to Atatürk, a copy of Churchward’s book was brought to Turkey and was examined by a comission of 40-50 specialists and scientists. Ataturk had personally observed the studies about the Turkish language and symbols, the Naacal tablets of Niven, Mayan language and symbols and Churchward’s books, and held his own memos and records about it. These books that were kept by Turkish Office Of Language until 60’s, were taken to the Anıtkabir (Ataturk’s Mauseloum) Archive later on. Today, they are still kept with Ataturks original remarks and memos as well.

The more parsimonious explanation, rather than making up an entire continent, would be that pre-Turkics and pre-Siberians may have had linguistic similarities due to possible contact in their previous homeland of Central Asia. This (http://www.mediamonitors.net/polatkaya1.html) might interest you.


Atlantis is never scientifically proven either but it is concidered a part of Greek mythology, so can the lost continent of Mu be for the Mayans and Turks. After all, there were physical, linguïstic, theological and cultural similarities between the two nations.

Mythology, yes. Reality, no.


This is how the Siberians or Turkic people migrated to the Americas via the Beiring Straight during the Ice Age (or vice versa). It is widely awknolegded by both Northern Native Americans and Turkic people that they descent from each other either way. It's just a question if this is also the case for the Mayans since this took place millenia before people crossed the Beiring Straight.

The genetic relationships I pointed out in the last post show that this is the case for the Mayans too.

[pgbk87]

E3a8a and 6'1"

[Kyte]

E1b1b1a2* and 5'8"

[Vasishta]

Y-DNA G2a3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G_(Y-DNA)#G2a3_.28L30.2B.2C_S126.2B.2C_U8.2B.29); 6 ft 3 and a half inches, aged 17.

[elone]

I1* 5'10.

[Atesh]

The more parsimonious explanation, rather than making up an entire continent, would be that pre-Turkics and pre-Siberians may have had linguistic similarities due to possible contact in their previous homeland of Central Asia. This (http://www.mediamonitors.net/polatkaya1.html) might interest you.



Mythology, yes. Reality, no.



The genetic relationships I pointed out in the last post show that this is the case for the Mayans too.

I know Polat Kaya from a long time back.

Are you God? Have you proven that it does not exist? I know it may be far fetched, but that's why it is only an uproven assupmtion that is open for further research, not an objective truth. Its the same like some researchers studying if Atlantis ever existed and where it might be located.

[Day Tripper]

I know Polat Kaya from a long time back.

Are you God? Have you proven that it does not exist?

This is a classic argument from ignorance (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance) and is a logical fallacy. Am I God? Yeah, I'm God. Prove that I'm not God. You see how that works? The burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that this continent exists.


I know it may be far fetched, but that's why it is only an uproven assupmtion that is open for further research, not an objective truth. Its the same like some researchers studying if Atlantis ever existed and where it might be located.

Far fetched - that's an understatement. Here is what you have to explain:

a) Why are the genetic similarities in Mayans ordered like so: (1) Other South Americans, (2) North Americans, (3) Chukchis, (4) Other Siberians, (5) East Asians and then (6) Southeast Asians. That's exactly what you'd expect given the Bering Strait model. Even Russians, Finns, Lithuanians, Belorussians, Poles, Swedes, and Norwegians are all more genetically similar to the Maya than Turks are.

b) You have to explain away several geological problems:


Modern geological knowledge rules out "lost continents" of any significant size. According to the theory of plate tectonics, which has been extensively confirmed over the past 40 years, the Earth's crust consists of lighter "sial" rocks (rich in aluminum silicates) that float on heavier "sima" rocks (richer in magnesium silicates). The sial is generally absent or a few kilometres thick at the bottom of the oceans, while the continents are huge solid blocks tens of kilometers thick. Since continents float on the sima much like icebergs float on water, a continent cannot simply "sink" under the ocean.

It is true that continental drift and seafloor spreading can change the shape and position of continents, and occasionally break a continent into two or more pieces (as happened to Pangaea). However, these are very slow processes that occur in geological time scales (hundreds of millions of years). Over the scale of history (tens of thousands of years), the sima under the continental crust can be considered solid, and the continents are basically anchored on it. It is all but certain that the continents and ocean floors have retained their present position and shape for the whole span of human existence.

There is also no conceivable event that could have "destroyed" a continent, since its huge mass of sial rocks would have to end up somewhere—and there is no trace of it at the bottom of the oceans. The Pacific Ocean islands are not part of a submerged landmass, but rather the tips of isolated volcanoes.

This is the case, in particular, of Easter Island, which is a recent volcanic peak surrounded by deep ocean (3,000 m deep at 30 km off the island). After visiting the island in the 1930s, Alfred Metraux observed that the moai platforms are concentrated along the current coast of the island, which implies that the island's shape has changed little since they were built. Moreover, the "Triumphal Road" that Pierre Loti had reported ran from the island to the submerged lands below, is actually a natural lava flow.[14] Furthermore, while Churchward was correct in his claim that the island has no sandstone or sedimentary rocks, the point is moot because the pukao are all made of native volcanic scoria.

c) You have to explain incompatible archaeological evidence:


The historical details and implications of the Mu theory, which from the start were even more controversial than the physical ones, have been thoroughly discredited by archaeological and genetic research.[citation needed]

The weight of evidence is that the civilizations of the Americas and the Old World developed independently of each other;[citation needed] and, in fact, agriculture and urban societies probably first developed, after the end of the Ice Age, somewhere in the Levant some 10,000 years ago and gradually spread outwards from there to the rest of the Old World. The development of the oldest known cities, such as Çatalhöyük, can more easily be attributed to local and gradual evolution than to the coming of refugees from a "superior civilization".

All the while, remember Occam's razor:


Occam's razor (or Ockham's razor[1]), often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae, translating to law of parsimony, law of economy or law of succinctness, is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects.[2] For instance, they must both sufficiently explain available data in the first place.

[jibarodepr]

So let's say Mayans are Lost Turks who reached the Americas?Also it is a mystery how they dissapeared and left their city abandoned even before the Europeans came to the Americas, nobody knows where did they go and how did they dissapear.

[pgbk87]

So let's say Mayans are Lost Turks who reached the Americas?Also it is a mystery how they dissapeared and left their city abandoned even before the Europeans came to the Americas, nobody knows where did they go and how did they dissapear.

So I guess I'm part Turkish???...:rolleyes:

[jibarodepr]

So I guess I'm part Turkish???...:rolleyes:Not exactly a Turkish, but ancestrally and genetically far related to them, but in your case perhaps far on X chromosome or autosomal DNA.Turks and Amerindians have the same relation Asians and Euros have.

[pgbk87]

Not exactly a Turkish, but ancestrally and genetically far related to them, but in your case perhaps far on X chromosome or autosomal DNA.Turks and Amerindians have the same relation Asians and Euros have.

If it's some North-Central Asian link then yeah.... I guess... But it's soooo distant... It's like making relation with West Africans, Cushites and Berbers, but more geographic distance

[Mike the Jedi]

J2, 6'2" (188 cm)

[alfieb]

This poll is biased against Orientals like Khanties and Finns. Disgraceful.

[Ashina]

If it's some North-Central Asian link then yeah.... I guess... But it's soooo distant... It's like making relation with West Africans, Cushites and Berbers, but more geographic distance

Both Atesh and I share DNA with Native Americans. I share my mtDNA with them, and Atesh his Y-DNA (Q). :evilgrin:

[WarViking]

I1

I am pushing 6'3" not quite there yet but considering i am almost equal with my brother who is 6'3" and considering i am 18 i will probably reach it.

Also here's a small fact from what i heard men don't stop growing until early 20's some men even have spurts at age 25.

[Hybrid99]

E1b1a, 6'0" (185cm)

[Bandar Qasim]

E1b1b1, 6'3'' (190cm)

[pgbk87]

E1b1b1, 6'3'' (190cm)

Why aren't there any Somali NBA players??? :lol:

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Both Atesh and I share DNA with Native Americans. I share my mtDNA with them, and Atesh his Y-DNA (Q). :evilgrin:

mtDNA C and Y-DNA Q don't exactly equate to Native Americans being Turks. But the common North Central Asian split is quite obvious[COLOR="Silver"]

[Azad C*]

R1a1a 5'9"

[Ashina]

Why aren't there any Somali NBA players??? :lol:[COLOR="Silver"]

mtDNA C and Y-DNA Q don't exactly equate to Native Americans being Turks. But the common North Central Asian split is quite obvious[COLOR="Silver"]

Duh, I never believed they were Turks. I just showed you that there is a link between Turks and Native Americans. That's all. :D

[Olavsson]

180 cm, and R1b.

[yahooland]

R1b1b2a1a2d* 189cm :)

[Strenght]

I don't know my haplogroup, I'm going to know soon.

I am about 198 - 204 cms long. (1 year ago).

[yahooland]

ouch that tall !! i bet you're J2...or not :P

[Historybuff]

182 cm (about) , R1b.

[MokshaMan]

R1a1a and 5'9

[meranaam]

J1c3d-L147>5'9":)

Thats medium-medium-tall for world standards. And simply tall in Bangladesh, South China and South East Asia. You can walk around Northern Europe and find yourself being eligible for almost every woman you meet. It's the minimum height to being a "very good looking" man.

5 ft 9 is "too tall' for a J1e Semite. And I'm not being offensive here. I'm just stating the facts from my observation. I've seen even Arab owners looking small in comparison to their young South Indian camel jockeys.

So are you serious or lying?

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I simply refuse to believe that so many of you guys are 180 cm and above.

I assume if there was a penis size poll, everybody would be 7 inch plus too?:rolleyes:

[Strenght]

ouch that tall !! i bet you're J2...or not :P

Oh, I don't know.

From father's family.

My father is 184 cm, people in Spain born in 1960 was 171 cm.

My grandfather was 190 cm, people in Spain born in 1915, was 168.

My grandmother is (91 years) 162 cm, people in Spain born in 1920 (girls) was 155.

My great-grandfother was 180 -185 cm, people in Spain born in 1880, was 163 cm.



From mother's family.

My mother is 171cm, people in Spain born in 1962 was (girls) 161 cm.

My grandfather is about 172, people in Spain born in 1925 was 167 cm (is the little on the family)

My grandmother is about 165, people in Spain born in 1930 (girls) was 158 cm.

My great-grandfather was about 185-190 cm, people in Spain born in 1900 was about 165 in men.

My cousins are 190 and 195 cm, rugby players.




And one curiosity: Mi grandmother (from father's family) had one brother. His brother is EQUAL, EQUAL in photos than me, he was about 190 cm (1910, the average was 166), and I'm equal than him in height for my time.


Sorry for my poor english, I think I am R1b haplogroup :lol::lol::lol:

[Strenght]

BTW I am ectomorph-mesomorph, what are you guys?
http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa29/powerup927/somato_types.jpg

Ectomorph and a little bit of mesomorph.


Yep, i'm kinda late bloomer i guess (you saw my photoes, so you might know it already :<<). I've hit 174cm by 13 years, but than just stopped. I was very surprised when at 20 i started growing again, and pretty fast too.

What's worse, i get pimples on my face again, just like i did when i was 13. There weren't any in 13-20, but now i've to do everything i can to get rid of them (wash my face with soap twice a day, use Clearasil, et cetera).


It's very extrange your case, I was born with about 58-60 cm, with 2 years, I was very extrange (1,05 m), I continued growing a lot, with 9 years, 150, with 12, 165 and the last day with 13 : 185 !

[Vasishta]

^ What does your y-DNA Haplogroup have to do with your stature?

[Historybuff]

Ectomorph and a little bit of mesomorph.




It's very extrange your case, I was born with about 58-60 cm, with 2 years, I was very extrange (1,05 m), I continued growing a lot, with 9 years, 150, with 12, 165 and the last day with 13 : 185 !

You must tower over most people in Spain?

[Pallantides]

I simply refuse to believe that so many of you guys are 180 cm and above.



I'm 182cm, it's not tall, it's pretty much average height in my country.

[Bittereinder]

I simply refuse to believe that so many of you guys are 180 cm and above.

I assume if there was a penis size poll, everybody would be 7 inch plus too?:rolleyes:

It's probably a little skewed, but these are normal heights for young Europeans. At about 1.73 myself, which is normal by global standards, I am usually one of the shortest dudes around in Flanders.

[Historybuff]

180 is average in most places in europe now for young guys (21-25) im sure. Only maybe several areas in soutnern europe are below that.

[Pioterus]

^ What does your y-DNA Haplogroup have to do with your stature?

It's this kind of complete lack of understanding of what Y or mtDNA in fact is. People tend to believe into some myths about those tiny bits of autosomal DNA, still it's fun, try it for fun's sake :lol:

[Strenght]

You must tower over most people in Spain?

In Spain, I'm near the 100 percentile, about 99,9x %, and I'm shoulder widht and have good biceps, I can destroy everything.

My mother's family is blonde and blue-eyed, excepting 2 uncles, they have a rusty color. They are very tall.

My father's family have in 100 % brown eyes, very dark brown eyes and dark brown-black hair. They are very tall.


My mother's family looks like nordic and my father's family ... It's a mix.

[meranaam]

I'm 182cm, it's not tall, it's pretty much average height in my country.

Yes, but you are in Northern Europe!

[yahooland]

I assume if there was a penis size poll, everybody would be 7 inch plus too?:rolleyes:

uh, yes :D for me at least :evilgrin::lol:


howver it's a good idear, we should make a pool about penis size and make it a public poll :lol:

[Heladageniskogen]

R1a and 188 centimetres above the ground.

Never seen myself as tall however.

[Viking]

R1a and 188 centimetres above the ground.

Never seen myself as tall however.

I'm about the same height, and I agree with you. People never make any remarks about my height.

[Tuck]

6 foot

[SallImSayin]

My bro and dad are B2a1a and are about 6'2".

[Jaska]

N1c1, 181 cm (5'11").

But it is certain that Finnish and Lithuanian N1c1 men are far more taller than the native Siberian N1c1 men. So it is more about geography than haplogroup.

Here are statistics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_height

All peoples over 1.78 m:

Young males, measured:
1. Dinaric Alps 1.856 m
3. Norway 1.820 m / 1.795 m (conscripts)
4. Sweden 1.815 m / 1.779 m (larger sample!)
5. Lithuania 1.813 m
6. Denmark 1.806 m
7. Czech 1.803 m
8. Estonia 1.791 m
9. White USA 1.789 m
10. Poland 1.785 m
11. Finland 1.784 m
12. Australia 1.784 m / 1.748 m (larger sample!)
13. Switzerland 1.782 m
14. Greece 1.781 m

Well, larger sample seems to take away 3-4 cm...

Self-reported, not measured:
Netherlands 1.837 m / 1.799 m (larger sample!)
Germany 1.810 m / 1.780 m (larger sample!)
Austria 1.796
Belgium 1.795

[Mike the Jedi]

J2, 6'2" (1.89 m)

[jibarodepr]

E1b1a7a and 5'9 feet tall(YES, MY RESULTS CAME YAHOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :D )

[pgbk87]

E1b1a7a and 5'9 feet tall(YES<MY RESULTS CAME YAHOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :D )

Hey they did!!!!

[yahooland]

E1b1a7a and 5'9 feet tall(YES<MY RESULTS CAME YAHOOOOOOO!!!!!!! :D )

what is your 23andme ID ?

[Biloo]

R1b1b2a1a2d3 and 183 cm

[jibarodepr]

what is your 23andme ID ?S Colon(shared with pgbk 87 account)

[soulblighter]

There is no correlation between Y-DNA and height.
My dad is 5'4" (162.6 cm) and I am 6' 2.5" (189.2 cm)

[Hollis_f]

R1a1a1 and 195cm

[AFL27]

R1b1b2a1a2f* and 5'7"

[El R5]

Haplogroup: Q1a3a
Maternal Haplogroup: A2

5' 10.5'' (1.79cm)

[juan1193]

Mt: A2c
Y: Q1a3a

166 cm i think... 5 ft 5.5 inches... :)

[Pro]

Interesting, Juan and R5 have almost identical halpogroups and if I remember correctly their autosomal numbers are very similar. Yet their heights are off by quite a lot.

There goes this theory.


Mt: A2c
Y: Q1a3a

166 cm i think... 5 ft 5.5 inches... :)



Haplogroup: Q1a3a
Maternal Haplogroup: A2

5' 10.5'' (1.79cm)

[juan1193]

haha yeah this theory has been debunked :)

[Motörhead Remember Me]

Let's see if we can associate height to any particular HG


Why not cock size? Hair length?

It's useless.

[yahooland]

Why not cock size? Hair length?

It's useless.

that would be funny.

[El R5]

Interesting, Juan and R5 have almost identical halpogroups and if I remember correctly their autosomal numbers are very similar. Yet their heights are off by quite a lot.

There goes this theory.

Pretty much lol. In the morning I measure 5' 11'', but by the end of the day I'm back to 5'10.5''.

[Pro]

Pretty much lol. In the morning I measure 5' 11'', but by the end of the day I'm back to 5'10.5''.

Yeah, they've done studies showing that people shrink throughout the day and re-stretch overnight. It has to do with the compression of the spine.

[RodrigoChile]

I1*, 190cm, 6'3".

[kilometro7]

I1*, 190cm, 6'3".

Interesting Y-DNA, do you have a typical Spanish surname?

[RodrigoChile]

Interesting Y-DNA, do you have a typical Spanish surname?

My surname on my fathers side is from the Basque country and is not that very common, and can be found mainly in Chile, Mexico, Spain, US&A and the Philippines.

[Wuotain]

Haplogroup I1 with a height of 6'2" or 187.96 cm