how many aframs have really dark complexion?

[fulvioterzapi]

how many african american have a really dark complexion like the Dinka?
I mean aframs descendants from the slaves, not recent immigrants.
I've never seen anyone that dark, only John Amos looks close.

[Particula]

how many african american have a really dark complexion like the Dinka?
I mean aframs descendants from the slaves, not recent immigrants.
I've never seen anyone that dark, only John Amos looks close.

the majority of them they are very dark compared to non-blacks except for some indiands and native australians

[Tenochkatl]

Aframs as dark as Nilotic peoples are extremely rare in my experience. Aframs with complexions within the European range or light brown/blondish hair and light eyes are more common.

[fulvioterzapi]

and how many are as dark as John Amos? the majority looks closer to Eddie Murphy or Oprah Winfrey.

[Ducheff]

Aframs as dark as Nilotic peoples are extremely rare in my experience. Aframs with complexions within the European range or light brown/blondish hair and light eyes are more common.

This is not true

[Tenochkatl]

This is not true

I grew up in GA, the state with the third largest black population, and yes, such types are more common than people who look like this:

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/facultyhome/laurabeny/Dinka%20Youth.JPG

Mind you really light-skinned types are rare among Aframs, but not as much as these licoriceoid fellows.

[Particula]

I grew up in GA, the state with the third largest black population, and yes, such types are more common than people who look like this:

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/facultyhome/laurabeny/Dinka%20Youth.JPG

Mind you really light-skinned types are rare among Aframs, but not as much as these licoriceoid fellows.

If those blacks from GA would live everyday under the hot subsaharan sun they would be as dark as night

[la bombe]

I've seen Aframs with EXTREMELY dark skin ala the Dinka, but they are rare. I grew up around one kid like that, his nickname was "Midnight".



and how many are as dark as John Amos? the majority looks closer to Eddie Murphy or Oprah Winfrey.

Huh? John Amos isn't even that dark. I see Aframs everyday of my life with that complexion.

[SirKnowAlot]

Of course most African Americans are not as dark as Dinkas, why would they be given that they are descendants of West Africans.

[Johnny Blaze]

*Looks at Wesley Snipes*

There are plenty of Aframs that complexion, especially in the summer. Look at some of the NFL players for instance.

[Asce]

Of course most African Americans are not as dark as Dinkas, why would they be given that they are descendants of West Africans.

Well this is a moot point, Dinka, Nuer, Wolof, and Akan groups (like the Asante and Fante) are all relatively within range of each other (in terms of color).

With this being said, the majority of AfrAms are not as dark as these groups, because they're mixed up (e.g., a lot of their African ancestry isn't localized, or confined to a particular ethnicity).

Lol @ the OP thinking John Amos is on par melanin-wise with the Dinka. Like La Bombe said, he's no where even close to being that dark. :whoco:

[SirKnowAlot]

this is your typical darkskin african amrican sista

sexy, curvacious, beautiful, and CHOCOLATE colored

[SirKnowAlot]

Well this is a moot point, Dinka, Nuer, Wolof, and Akan groups (like the Asante and Fante) are all relatively within range of each other (in terms of color).

With this being said, the majority of AfrAms are not as dark as these groups, because they're mixed up (e.g., a lot of their African ancestry isn't localized, or confined to a particular ethnicity).

Lol @ the OP thinking John Amos is on par melanin-wise with the Dinka. Like La Bombe said, he's no where even close to being that dark. :whoco:

i beg to differ ...Dinka groups and Asante have different skin tones
secondly its not a mute point...because it would be better to compare african americans with west africans it makes sense!

[Johnny Blaze]

this is your typical darkskin african amrican sista

sexy, curvacious, beautiful, and CHOCOLATE colored

IMO, shes more of a mid-brown complexion.

Nontheless pretty cute.

[SirKnowAlot]

IMO, shes more of a mid-brown complexion.

Nontheless pretty cute.

well she is dark skin in my book

i agee she is pretty though

[Asce]

i beg to differ ...Dinka groups and Asante have different skin tones

This Dinka man (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2321919004_518de63088_b.jpg) and this Asante woman (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2571/3997050664_efac2b1950_o.jpg) are roughly the same color, and this isn't even the darkest either group gets. You ever seen what a Dinka out of the sun and in some street clothes looks like? Pretty much like Luol Deng (http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/mar2009/8/2/luol-deng-221784281.jpg), dude is lighter than Kevin Garnett.


secondly its not a mute point...because it would be better to compare african americans with west africans it makes sense!

Honestly it was, there are west African groups within range of the Dinka. And most AfrAms look nothing like them either.

[Doctoris Scientia]

Well this is a moot point, Dinka, Nuer, Wolof, and Akan groups (like the Asante and Fante) are all relatively within range of each other (in terms of color).

With this being said, the majority of AfrAms are not as dark as these groups, because they're mixed up (e.g., a lot of their African ancestry isn't localized, or confined to a particular ethnicity).

Lol @ the OP thinking John Amos is on par melanin-wise with the Dinka. Like La Bombe said, he's no where even close to being that dark. :whoco:

The Wolof are one thing, since some individuals display skin tones similar to Nilotic groups in East Africa, alongside other Senegambian and Sahelian populations, in comparison to other West African populations. But the Ashanti are significantly lighter, in general, in comparison to the other two Nilo-Saharan groups you mentioned. In regard to the Wolof, there's a lot of variation, from pretty fair to quite dark skin... something not so common among Nilotic groups who don't vary as much in regard to skin tone.

Ashanti
http://www.op.gov.gy/dailyphoto/2007/070726/prez4.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/usarmyafrica/3773164662/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/waltercallens/394150296/

Wolof (a lot of variation)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chipsmith/405754052/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/59302445@N00/5082949001/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38577893@N00/4377224834/

^most African-Americans fall into this range

Dinka
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngari/2321976648/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ngari/3319749696/
http://www.enoughproject.org/files/129/Duk_Padiet_chiefs_MF.jpg

[la bombe]

this is your typical darkskin african amrican sista

sexy, curvacious, beautiful, and CHOCOLATE colored

Is she really considered dark-skinned? When I think of a beautiful, darker skinned Afram woman, I think more of someone like Lauryn Hill. But then again, I've seen people like Gabrielle Union called dark-skinned when she looks pretty average for an Afram IMO.

[Grasshoppa]

Idk Asce, now I know their are some pretty dark Senegalese and Ghanaians, but I think the darkest, blue-ish looking people I've ever seen were some Southern Sudanese. I found it fairly silly to just pick a random Sudanese group to compare us to.

That said, yes, most AAs do have admixture, and that has probably more to do with it than anything.

[SirKnowAlot]

This Dinka man (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2321919004_518de63088_b.jpg) and this Asante woman (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2571/3997050664_efac2b1950_o.jpg) are roughly the same color, and this isn't even the darkest either group gets. You ever seen what a Dinka out of the sun and in some street clothes looks like? Pretty much like Luol Deng (http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/mar2009/8/2/luol-deng-221784281.jpg), dude is lighter than Kevin Garnett.



Honestly it was, there are west African groups within range of the Dinka. And most AfrAms look nothing like them either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMdTj8VSaI8
These are typical Ghanaians...none of their skin color would be "out of the norm" for an african american.
And like i said before it is not a moot point, because Dinka are some of the darkest in africa and african americans dont descend from them there is no direct relation.
And I never said anything about Dinka looking like African American...
However you could easily find a Ghanaian who could pass as African American ...because both groups have direct links to each other.

[Asce]

Honestly, a self-affirmed Ghanaian (of Asante descent) once told me Ashantis like John Kufuor (http://www.afrol.com/images/persons/gha_John_Kufuor_gouvfr2.jpg) weren't uncommon at all. I'm not saying there isn't variation, because even amongst the Dinka (imo) there's variation. What I'm saying is that Ashantis like Wolofs like Dinkas, can be very dark-hued.

[SirKnowAlot]

Is she really considered dark-skinned? When I think of a beautiful, darker skinned Afram woman, I think more of someone like Lauryn Hill. But then again, I've seen people like Gabrielle Union called dark-skinned when she looks pretty average for an Afram IMO.


i understand what you mean...but when i say "dark skin" im talking about a common skintone range
just like there is a "light skin" range from Swiss beatz/Obama to Will Smith ...technically will smith is darker than obama but both will still be called "light skin" in the african american community.

dark skin range would be Gabriel Union to Lauryn Hill to darker

[Doctoris Scientia]

This Dinka man (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2370/2321919004_518de63088_b.jpg) and this Asante woman (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2571/3997050664_efac2b1950_o.jpg) are roughly the same color, and this isn't even the darkest either group gets. You ever seen what a Dinka out of the sun and in some street clothes looks like? Pretty much like Luol Deng (http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/mar2009/8/2/luol-deng-221784281.jpg), dude is lighter than Kevin Garnett.

Honestly it was, there are west African groups within range of the Dinka. And most AfrAms look nothing like them either.

Those two are individuals and the Ashanti women is in the dark. :whoco: Were talking averages and it's VERY fair to say... there's a significant difference in regard to skin tone between your average brown skinned Ashanti and your average black skinned Dinka or Nuer. There's no denying it. Most African-Americans would pass in West Africa... not so much the Southern Sudan.

Urban Dinka's

http://robertlindsay.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dinka-west-sudan-elongated-desert-africans.jpg
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/sudan1_2.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/i/dinka1ua8.jpg/

Urban Ashanti's

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/docroot/dulcinea/fd_images/features/profiles/a/kofi-annan/features/0/image.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_IfL2RoqAOoQ/RYI7sD09CnI/AAAAAAAAACQ/i27q6Ksy2cs/s320/teikodornor02.jpg
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/media/ALeqM5iaGpKHQ8sjBjOZSB3kshBgyr-sHA

^most African-Americans resemble the second group

[SirKnowAlot]

Honestly, a self-affirmed Ghanaian (of Asante descent) once told me Ashantis like John Kufuor (http://www.afrol.com/images/persons/gha_John_Kufuor_gouvfr2.jpg) weren't uncommon at all. I'm not saying there isn't variation, because even amongst the Dinka (imo) there's variation. What I'm saying is that Ashantis like Wolofs like Dinkas, can be very dark-hued.

the same goes for African Americans they can be very dark hued. But the dark skin skin tone generally speaking is not that different from each other...i see Ghanaians everyday. And they look no different than the ones in this video, nothing out of the norm for an african american as far as skin tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMdTj8VSaI8

[Asce]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMdTj8VSaI8
These are typical Ghanaians...none of their skin color would be "out of the norm" for an african american.
And like i said before it is not a moot point, because Dinka are some of the darkest in africa and african americans dont descend from them there is no direct relation.
And I never said anything about Dinka looking like African American...
However you could easily find a Ghanaian who could pass as African American ...because both groups have direct links to each other.

Dude, I never said every single Ghanaian was like a Dinka (color-wise). I was speaking more specifically of some Asante/Fante, who while they make up a fairly sizable chunk of the population, aren't even close to being the majority (they are the two biggest ethnic groups though if I'm not mistaken).

As for the comment regarding Ghanaians looking like AfrAms, this has more to do with overall phenotype (e.g., the structure of the face, etc) than actual color itself. Luol Deng is in the color range of a lot of AfrAms, but he looks nothing like them.

[SirKnowAlot]

Dude, I never said every single Ghanaian was like a Dinka (color-wise). I was speaking more specifically of some Asante/Fante, who while they make up a fairly sizable chunk of the population, aren't even close to being the majority (they are the two biggest ethnic groups though if I'm not mistaken).

As for the comment regarding Ghanaians looking like AfrAms, this has more to do with overall phenotype (e.g., the structure of the face, etc) than actual color itself. Luol Deng is in the color range of a lot of AfrAms, but he looks nothing like them.

well we all have opinions....but i see Ghanaians who look no different from African Americans every damn day there is a huge Ghaniaian population at my school and i have seen various phenotypes and alot do overlap with african ameircans.

[fulvioterzapi]

Lol @ the OP thinking John Amos is on par melanin-wise with the Dinka. Like La Bombe said, he's no where even close to being that dark. :whoco:
I didn't say that, but he's certainly one of the darkest afram actors.

[Asce]

Those two are individuals and the Ashanti women is in the dark. :whoco: Were talking averages and it's VERY fair to say... there's a significant difference in regard to skin tone between your average brown skinned Ashanti and your average black skinned Dinka or Nuer. There's no denying it. Most African-Americans would pass in West Africa... not so much the Southern Sudan...

Dude your posting pics of blue-black Dinka. While the look isn't uncommon (much like John Kufuor's look isn't uncommon for an Asante) not all Dinka are blue black.

Dinka couple (http://www.heavensfamilymedia.org/updates/2008_05/_MG_6844.jpg)

Dinka man (http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1879/dinka3xn2.jpg)

Dinka woman (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2192/2361155914_512f56a4ab_o.jpg)

I'd say a very good portion of Dinka look closer to that, e.g., end-spectrum dark-brown. And honestly chicks like Teiko Dornor (http://fashionrecords.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/teiko.jpg) and Shaheera Asante (two individuals who look pretty typical of Asante and even Ghanaians in general) are well within range of all the people pictured above.

Much like you said, it's the overall phenotype that's different, not so much the color.


well we all have opinions....but i see Ghanaians who look no different from African Americans every damn day there is a huge Ghaniaian population at my school and i have seen various phenotypes and alot do overlap with african ameircans.

Wtf? I never disagreed with what you said regarding some Ghanaians looking like AfrAms. I just said it has more to do with the overall phenotype, as opposed to just singularly color.

[SirKnowAlot]

lolzzz never said u did just sayin ^

[iateyourheadphons]

Like the Dinka?

Not many, they have two different type skin tones.

[aBonner]

Is she really considered dark-skinned? When I think of a beautiful, darker skinned Afram woman, I think more of someone like Lauryn Hill. But then again, I've seen people like Gabrielle Union called dark-skinned when she looks pretty average for an Afram IMO.
it depends, its really subjective
some people see complexion differences as either dark, or light
some people separate dark, light, medium
some dark, medium, light, fair :p
I think it is common for people to situate their color in the middle, and judge everyone else from that

I think Hill, Union and Hudson are in a pretty close range; dark end of medium, or light end of dark, lol
another thing, the question of light/dark often takes into account the entire range of AA complexions, not simply dependent on which are more prevelant in any given situation.

super dark complexions are very rare, most very dark AAs are still not blue-black (which seems more rare with WAs anyway). the average/majority are made up of 'caramel' to 'chocolate' complexions.
the most prevelent complexions still exist in the same families with light, dark and even super dark and fair types.

[Johnny Blaze]

it depends, its really subjective
some people see complexion differences as either dark, or light
some people separate dark, light, medium
some dark, medium, light, fair :p
I think it is common for people to situate their color in the middle, and judge everyone else from that

I think Hill, Union and Hudson are in a pretty close range; dark end of medium, or light end of dark, lol
another thing, the question of light/dark often takes into account the entire range of AA complexions, not simply dependent on which are more prevelant in any given situation.

super dark complexions are very rare, most very dark AAs are still not blue-black (which seems more rare with WAs anyway). the average/majority are made up of 'caramel' to 'chocolate' complexions.
the most prevelent complexions still exist in the same families with light, dark and even super dark and fair types.

And I have to agree with this :)

[Asce]

@aBonner

Really the blue-black complexion is rare for all African groups imo (it happens in higher frequencies amongst certain ethnic groups, but overall, blue-black/blurple/licorice complected individuals are rare). Even amongst Wolof/Dinka/Nuer, I'd say more often than not, they're end-spectrum dark-brown, as opposed to actually being black/ebony.

[jonboyclem]

My friend in this photo is about as dark as Aframs get.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs092.ash2/37914_451511700016_714510016_5358511_6209247_n.jpg

I'd say from my experience about 1/4 of Aframs resemble my friend in skin tone.

[CAONABO]

My friend in this photo is about as dark as Aframs get.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs092.ash2/37914_451511700016_714510016_5358511_6209247_n.jpg

I'd say from my experience about 1/4 of Aframs resemble my friend in skin tone.

Ever since the site had an issue with the certificate, I can't see certain pics.

Lets try to inject some more objectivity into this very subjective topic (dark skin):

Based on extensive personal experience, the Afram community considers the following Afram public figures dark:
Wesley Snipes, the late comedian Bernie Mac, Eddie Murphy.

The following are considered light:
Comedians Marvin's girlfriend (forgot her nam), Alish Keys, Vanesa Williams, Sinbad the comedian, etc.


The followinig are not considered neither dark nor light:
Will Smith, Denzel Washington, etc.

Most Aframs I know fall in the range of Will Smith and Denzel.

[iateyourheadphons]

My friend in this photo is about as dark as Aframs get.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs092.ash2/37914_451511700016_714510016_5358511_6209247_n.jpg

I'd say from my experience about 1/4 of Aframs resemble my friend in skin tone.

Its hard to see the top of his head.

[Zabersus]

...so dark they have to smile at night to be spotted. ;)

[Johnny Blaze]

Ever since the site had an issue with the certificate, I can't see certain pics.

Lets try to inject some more objectivity into this very subjective topic (dark skin):

Based on extensive personal experience, the Afram community considers the following Afram public figures dark:
Wesley Snipes, the late comedian Bernie Mac, Eddie Murphy.

The following are considered light:
Comedians Marvin's girlfriend (forgot her nam), Alish Keys, Vanesa Williams, Sinbad the comedian, etc.


The followinig are not considered neither dark nor light:
Will Smith, Denzel Washington, etc.

Most Aframs I know fall in the range of Will Smith and Denzel.

Smith is a tricky one IMO, I've seen alot Aframs refer to him as "light skinned". He's like a light brownish-orange complexion.

[aBonner]

Smith is a tricky one IMO, I've seen alot Aframs refer to him as "light skinned". He's like a light brownish-orange complexion.
I've only heard him referred to as light on a couple of message boards.
What is kinda odd is that while he is often described as 'brown' I've seen people turn around and call his wife 'light'. And call them as a family unit 'light' (maybe because none of them is actually dark?)
So I think features and other stuff comes into play.

None of it is really objective.
I've been called yella, red, dark, brown, medium, light, reddish brown

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My friend in this photo is about as dark as Aframs get.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs092.ash2/37914_451511700016_714510016_5358511_6209247_n.jpg

I'd say from my experience about 1/4 of Aframs resemble my friend in skin tone.
it may just be lighting, but I have a cousin who might have your friend beat ;)

[SirKnowAlot]

I've only heard him referred to as light on a couple of message boards.
What is kinda odd is that while he is often described as 'brown' I've seen people turn around and call his wife 'light'. And call them as a family unit 'light' (maybe because none of them is actually dark?)
So I think features and other stuff comes into play.

None of it is really objective.
I've been called yella, red, dark, brown, medium, light, reddish brown

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it may just be lighting, but I have a cousin who might have your friend beat ;)

hmmm thats interesting ....i think there might be a regional variation on what is "light" and what is "dark" also

[aBonner]

hmmm thats interesting ....i think there might be a regional variation on what is "light" and what is "dark" also
probably, plus just weird variations in communities

I never really got the lighter color labels until I went off to college.
I was riding the MetroLink once and some irritating adolescent made some comment about 'that's why I don't like yella nigg@$' and I didn't realize it was aimed at me until I turned around and he was glaring in my face :lol:
A friend with me was fair with brown hair and blue eyes so I figured she was the only one he could possibly be trying to harass as the only actual light person in our group!

[Caine]

If those blacks from GA would live everyday under the hot subsaharan sun they would be as dark as night

Not quite, considering Bantus and other West Africans live under that same sun all day and are considerably lighter than Nilotics.

There's many Aframs as dark as, say, Nigerians, but I've probably only met one or two that were Dinka status. Michael K. Williams (http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/10/24_royowilliams_lg.jpg) (right) is one famous Afram actor who fits the bill tho.

[Doctoris Scientia]

Not quite, considering Bantus and other West Africans live under that same sun all day and are considerably lighter than Nilotics.

There's many Aframs as dark as, say, Nigerians, but I've probably only met one or two that were Dinka status. Michael K. Williams (http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/07/10/24_royowilliams_lg.jpg) (right) is one famous Afram actor who fits the bill tho.

^Ni99a, where have you been? Haven't heard from you in a while.

[Caine]

i understand what you mean...but when i say "dark skin" im talking about a common skintone range
just like there is a "light skin" range from Swiss beatz/Obama to Will Smith ...technically will smith is darker than obama but both will still be called "light skin" in the african american community.

dark skin range would be Gabriel Union to Lauryn Hill to darker

Lol Will Smith aint "light skinned", he's medium brown, that's like J. Cole (http://www.hiphopsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/j-cole1.jpg) or T.I. (http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2010/07/ti-1.jpg) or some shit. Swizz is borderline.

[Johnny Blaze]

Lol Will Smith aint "light skinned", he's medium brown, that's like J. Cole (http://www.hiphopsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/j-cole1.jpg) or T.I. (http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2010/07/ti-1.jpg) or some shit. Swizz is borderline.

With Will Smith, he's med brown/caramel in the summer and in the winter, he's light brown.

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Would Lil Wayne be considered Med Brown?

[SirKnowAlot]

Lol Will Smith aint "light skinned", he's medium brown, that's like J. Cole (http://www.hiphopsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/j-cole1.jpg) or T.I. (http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2010/07/ti-1.jpg) or some shit. Swizz is borderline.

lol where i grew up (southside atlanta) will smith, TI, swizzbeatz are all "light skin niggas"

[aBonner]

With Will Smith, he's med brown/caramel in the summer and in the winter, he's light brown.

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Would Lil Wayne be considered Med Brown?
I'd never describe Will as any kind of light. He seems to be consistently caramel from what I've seen; in the medium range.

Lil wayne is dark/dark brown.

[CAONABO]

I'd never describe Will as any kind of light. He seems to be consistently caramel from what I've seen; in the medium range.

Lil wayne is dark/dark brown.

I've never heard of Will Smith being called light in my neck of the woods.
Is there a noticeably big difference between him and Denzel?

[aBonner]

I've never heard of Will Smith being called light in my neck of the woods.
Is there a noticeably big difference between him and Denzel?
noticeable, yes
big, no
I think they are just two different shades of medium; like the AA complexion terms caramel and chocolate.
Will is not hardly light like Sinbad, Tom Joyner or Ice-T, Denzel isn't in the same range as Wesley Snipes or Don Cheadle either.

[hero]

I've never heard of Will Smith being called light in my neck of the woods.
Is there a noticeably big difference between him and Denzel?

Whoa.... um, yeah? :| Lol!

I don't know, maybe its cuz "we're" black so we notice our tones better, but yeah... Will would most def be considered 'lighter-skinned' than Denzel.

[jonboyclem]

Rather than start a new thread. How many Aframs you guys think are of this complexion like my friend?

[Johnny Blaze]

Rather than start a new thread. How many Aframs you guys think are of this complexion like my friend?

Probably, um, anywhere from 20%-35%

[Debian]

nah they are still lighter than italian dagos :lol:

going serious on topic, im surprised the strong resemblance of aframs with western africans. Eastern african in the other side look nothing like them.

Which countries are supposed to be the main origin of aframs?

[Doctoris Scientia]

rather than start a new thread. How many aframs you guys think are of this complexion like my friend?

10-15%

[Cypher]

nah they are still lighter than italian dagos :lol:

going serious on topic, im surprised the strong resemblance of aframs with western africans. Eastern african in the other side look nothing like them.

Which countries are supposed to be the main origin of aframs?

It is no surprise that these groups look very different on average.

Countries of main origin: Nigeria, Gold coast (Ghana), Senegambia, Angola.. Up and down the west Coast.

[Bohecoa]

Rather than start a new thread. How many Aframs you guys think are of this complexion like my friend?

Here in the NYC area I've seen some, even a couple with light eyes. Based on my own experience I would say 10%-15%.

[SirKnowAlot]

so let me get this straight....most people call Beyonce, Keri Hilson,, Mya "light skinned" but yet Will Smith is not light skinned according to yall? where is the logic??
He is light skinned everywhere i lived!

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i even hear white people calling will smith "light skinned"

[SirKnowAlot]

not much of a difference ...and keri hilson is always called "light skinned"

[Doctoris Scientia]

so let me get this straight....most people call Beyonce, Keri Hilson,, Mya "light skinned" but yet Will Smith is not light skinned according to yall? where is the logic??
He is light skinned everywhere i lived!

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i even hear white people calling will smith "light skinned"

I consider all of the above except Mya light brown (the lighter end of intermediate stage between fair and dark skinned).

The lines between being fair skinned and being light brown are obviously going to be blurry, the lines between being dark skinned and being dark brown are also blurry and hard to pin-point... in regard to the blurry ends of the African spectrum, everything becomes subjective.

IMO.

Fair or Light skinned
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Miss_Nigeria_07_Munachi_Abii.jpg
http://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0001/u00000001/i00123841/6eca00cbdf12526109099d108f0a08cb_large.jpg
http://www.allempires.net/uploads/6162/Eritrean.jpg

Light Brown
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/85/230x306/85656_ti-arrives-to-the-51st-annual-grammy-awards-at-the-staples-center-on-february-8-2009-in-los-angeles-.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/27973182_33f41c4d69.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Will_Smith_IAL.jpg

Medium Brown
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f3h-ECB5-HQ/Rt7Yh4l0UKI/AAAAAAAAD4Q/Y2CylYNutAw/s320/iman2.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/98630159_da718419e8.jpg
http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2009/06/gabby1.jpg

Dark Brown
http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kanye_west_anim.gif
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4819907285/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4819902495/

Dark Skin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/5128762105/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4701289452/
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Anglo-Egyptian_Sudan_Nubian_woman.jpg

[Johnny Blaze]

I consider all of the above except Mya light brown (the lighter end of intermediate stage between fair and dark skinned).

The lines between being fair skinned and being light brown are obviously going to be blurry, the lines between being dark skinned and being dark brown are also blurry and hard to pin-point... in regard to the blurry ends of the African spectrum, everything becomes subjective.

IMO.

Fair or Light skinned
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Miss_Nigeria_07_Munachi_Abii.jpg
http://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0001/u00000001/i00123841/6eca00cbdf12526109099d108f0a08cb_large.jpg
http://www.allempires.net/uploads/6162/Eritrean.jpg

Light Brown
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/85/230x306/85656_ti-arrives-to-the-51st-annual-grammy-awards-at-the-staples-center-on-february-8-2009-in-los-angeles-.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/27973182_33f41c4d69.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Will_Smith_IAL.jpg

Medium Brown
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f3h-ECB5-HQ/Rt7Yh4l0UKI/AAAAAAAAD4Q/Y2CylYNutAw/s320/iman2.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/98630159_da718419e8.jpg
http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2009/06/gabby1.jpg

Dark Brown
http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kanye_west_anim.gif
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4819907285/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4819902495/

Dark Skin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/5128762105/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4701289452/
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Anglo-Egyptian_Sudan_Nubian_woman.jpg

I agree with this:)

But in some photos, people can appear darker like Munachi Abii:
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/images/abii.gif

[Doctoris Scientia]

I agree with this:)

But in some photos, people can appear darker like Munachi Abii:
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/images/abii.gif

True, but she's obviously fair skinned. I've seen white people who appear swarthy in professional pictures.

http://nigeriaworld.com/images/news/big/missworld/munachi-gail-teresa-abii-2007.jpg
http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/327002_Munachi_Abii_jpg63526a138c1fa893493a83ae87f 9a5ed
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_u3lFqBksmrE/TJ9KRrGH0wI/AAAAAAAAh2Y/gID2K6LGi8E/s400/63331_430207154855_660724855_5126612_2793287_n.jpg

[Cypher]

not much of a difference ...and keri hilson is always called "light skinned"

I consider em both somewhat light, like between medium brown and high yellow. These descriptors are a bit subjective anyway. Some may call these types "brown skinned," others "light skinned," and neither would be really wrong.

[hero]

I agree with this:)

But in some photos, people can appear darker like Munachi Abii:
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/images/abii.gif

Well most people of color look darker or lighter depending on the lighting. Anyways, that's a bad picture of Munachi (bad lighting). Anybody would look darker under that lighting.

[hero]

I consider all of the above except Mya light brown (the lighter end of intermediate stage between fair and dark skinned).

The lines between being fair skinned and being light brown are obviously going to be blurry, the lines between being dark skinned and being dark brown are also blurry and hard to pin-point... in regard to the blurry ends of the African spectrum, everything becomes subjective.

IMO.

Fair or Light skinned
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Miss_Nigeria_07_Munachi_Abii.jpg
http://aminus3.s3.amazonaws.com/image/g0001/u00000001/i00123841/6eca00cbdf12526109099d108f0a08cb_large.jpg
http://www.allempires.net/uploads/6162/Eritrean.jpg

Light Brown
http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/images/85/230x306/85656_ti-arrives-to-the-51st-annual-grammy-awards-at-the-staples-center-on-february-8-2009-in-los-angeles-.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/27973182_33f41c4d69.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Will_Smith_IAL.jpg

Medium Brown
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_f3h-ECB5-HQ/Rt7Yh4l0UKI/AAAAAAAAD4Q/Y2CylYNutAw/s320/iman2.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/98630159_da718419e8.jpg
http://blogs.bet.com/entertainment/spotlight/bet-blog/assets/2009/06/gabby1.jpg

Dark Brown
http://www.soulculture.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/kanye_west_anim.gif
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4819907285/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4819902495/

Dark Skin
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/5128762105/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-pics_info/4701289452/
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Anglo-Egyptian_Sudan_Nubian_woman.jpg

I'm inbetween the Light Brown and Medium brown.

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not much of a difference ...and keri hilson is always called "light skinned"

Keri Hilson is lighter than Will Smith.

[Cypher]

Well most people of color look darker or lighter depending on the lighting. Anyways, that's a bad picture of Munachi (bad lighting). Anybody would look darker under that lighting.

This woman is superb. She's what I'd call light brown, which is somewhere between medium brown and high yellow. Though, maybe she is closer to medium brown.

[SirKnowAlot]

I'm inbetween the Light Brown and Medium brown.

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Keri Hilson is lighter than Will Smith.

barely its not significant at all they both around the same "range" its no different than Akon being darker than Snoop Dogg or Lil Wayne but still all are considered "dark skinned"

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I agree with this:)

But in some photos, people can appear darker like Munachi Abii:
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/images/abii.gif

heres a better representation of Munachi on this music video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xINmoCGmNV0

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I consider em both somewhat light, like between medium brown and high yellow. These descriptors are a bit subjective anyway. Some may call these types "brown skinned," others "light skinned," and neither would be really wrong.

100 percent agreed...like i said earlier i think it depends on where some people grew up, im from GA and all those people i mentioned are considered light skinned. My brother is about will smith color and hes been called light skinned all his life.

[aBonner]

Rather than start a new thread. How many Aframs you guys think are of this complexion like my friend?
light brown? I'm guessing maybe 15-25%.
probably really depends on where you are. from what I'm seeing seems like there is some regional variation.

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going serious on topic, im surprised the strong resemblance of aframs with western africans. Eastern african in the other side look nothing like them.
well, we are of western African ancestry :D
not related at all to East Africans and Horners.

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so let me get this straight....most people call Beyonce, Keri Hilson,, Mya "light skinned" but yet Will Smith is not light skinned according to yall? where is the logic??
He is light skinned everywhere i lived!

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i even hear white people calling will smith "light skinned"
Will is darker than all three, but definitely a difference between him and the first two.
I never knew Keri Hilson was considered 'light'. I've heard people say she looks mixed, but that could still be light brown/medium-ish

[Cypher]

light brown? I'm guessing maybe 15-25%.
probably really depends on where you are. from what I'm seeing seems like there is some regional variation.

Is your "light brown" the same as your "light skinned," assuming you call people the latter? High yellows are even lighter than these two? T

[aBonner]

barely its not significant at all they both around the same "range" its no different than Akon being darker than Snoop Dogg or Lil Wayne but still all are considered "dark skinned" [COLOR="Silver"]

100 percent agreed...like i said earlier i think it depends on where some people grew up, im from GA and all those people i mentioned are considered light skinned. My brother is about will smith color and hes been called light skinned all his life.
Hilson is probably considered light because of her eyes and facial features. I really think that influences, to a degree, how blacks label each other.
She also doesn't ever look as brown as Will at his darkest, but both are kinda caramel-ish to me.
Akon is noticeably darker than the other two, especially Snoop Dog. He is dark, Snoop is kinda medium, and fugly-as-hell lil Wayne is some kind of dark brown in between them.
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/sites/music/img/14742_73472720---akon.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID20836/images/ex_snoop_dogg.jpg
http://www.mioboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lil-wayne-dreads-locks.jpg

Probably. When I heard Atlanta folks call TI and Ludacris 'light' I was kinda surprised. Given Atlanta's history I'd expect a larger spectrum.

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Is your "light brown" the same as your "light skinned," assuming you call people the latter? High yellows are even lighter than these two? T
to me there are no hard lines between the labels. fair blends into light, light blends into light brown, which blends into medium.
high yella, red bone, beige, pink, tan, honey, yellow brown, high brown, caramel, chocolate, reddish brown, skillet blond :lol:, mahogany, blue black, licorice, blurple :lol:, dark chocolate...
are all funny descriptors for different complexions within the basic ranges

[SirKnowAlot]

Hilson is probably considered light because of her eyes and facial features. I really think that influences, to a degree, how blacks label each other.
She also doesn't ever look as brown as Will at his darkest, but both are kinda caramel-ish to me.
Akon is noticeably darker than the other two, especially Snoop Dog. He is dark, Snoop is kinda medium, and fugly-as-hell lil Wayne is some kind of dark brown in between them.
http://www.studentsoftheworld.info/sites/music/img/14742_73472720---akon.jpg
http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID20836/images/ex_snoop_dogg.jpg
http://www.mioboo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lil-wayne-dreads-locks.jpg

Probably. When I heard Atlanta folks call TI and Ludacris 'light' I was kinda surprised. Given Atlanta's history I'd expect a larger spectrum.

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to me there are no hard lines between the labels. fair blends into light, light blends into light brown, which blends into medium.
high yella, red bone, beige, pink, tan, honey, yellow brown, high brown, caramel, chocolate, reddish brown, skillet blond :lol:, mahogany, blue black, licorice, blurple :lol:, dark chocolate...
are all funny descriptors for different complexions within the basic ranges


yeah, agreed im sure in place like new orleans "light" and "dark" are less definitive than atlanta
but i consider people like DMX neither light or dark hes more of just in the middle in my eyes
http://www.thadoghouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/dmx.jpg
and this is what i consider a "redbone" ... i dont think anybody would argue wheter or not she is 'light' or not
http://smartsexyrichcrazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/tisha_campell_duane_martin.jpg

[aBonner]

My take on the black (AA) color spectrum:
Dark: Lanisha Cole, Viola Davis, AJ Johnson, Lance Gross, Michael Vick, Don Cheadle
Dark Brown: Keisha Knight-Pulliam, Kenya Moore, Sharon Warren, Kanye West
Medium: Darren Sharper, Richard Pryor, Jennifer Hudson, Sanaa Lathan, Ross Love, Kerry Washington, Allen Payne
Light Brown: Michael Ealy, Al B Sure, Christopher Williams, Beyonce

[aBonner]

Light: Smokey Robinson, Vanessa Williams (whole family is basically light and light brown), Patricia Smith, Marc Morial, Cathy Hughes, Darryl Bell, Lisa Raye
Kinda between light and fair: Doc Kilgore, Reynaldo Rey, Tisha Campbell
Fair: Adrian Piper, Pebbles, Sabrina LeBeauf, Doug Wilder, Kathleen Cleaver

[SirKnowAlot]

is doug wilder a brotha ??? i hate to be blunt but damn....he could really "pass" as "white"

[Cypher]

is doug wilder a brotha ??? i hate to be blunt but damn....he could really "pass" as "white"

The man could "pass" easily, I'd say.

[aBonner]

is doug wilder a brotha ??? i hate to be blunt but damn....he could really "pass" as "white"
yes, central Virginia African American. AA parents, grandparents were slaves. upbringing typical of AAs in southside Va.
first black governor in the US.
I don't think he looks 'white' even now, definitely not when he was younger
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/img/display_media.php?mets_filename=evm00000905mets.xm l&resolution=lowres
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/3446/ed-wild25_20091023-210409/
there are AAs (AA heritage, AA parents and family) that look 'whiter' than him, or just straight up 'white'. I didn't want to include any though to avoid arguments over who is and isn't AA/black and all the accompanying garbage.

[Johnny Blaze]

Undertones are important to understand also when conducting the differences of skin tones. Especially differrentiating between who's the "darker" light skinned AA. For example Ice and Sinbad: Ice t's undertone is yellow while Sinbad's is peach/light orange.

[SirKnowAlot]

yes, central Virginia African American. AA parents, grandparents were slaves. upbringing typical of AAs in southside Va.
first black governor in the US.
I don't think he looks 'white' even now, definitely not when he was younger
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/img/display_media.php?mets_filename=evm00000905mets.xm l&resolution=lowres
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/3446/ed-wild25_20091023-210409/
there are AAs (AA heritage, AA parents and family) that look 'whiter' than him, or just straight up 'white'. I didn't want to include any though to avoid arguments over who is and isn't AA/black and all the accompanying garbage.

ok i looked at those pics he doesnt look "white" your correct...the first time i just glanced at the pics

[la bombe]

Here's a good contrast between light and dark-skinned Aframs. Left is Harold Ford Jr. and right is another politician

[oditous]

My take on the black (AA) color spectrum

I think pictures of Lance & Eve also make for a good illustration.

Is there any regional patterns btw? Like are darkskinned aframs more concentrated in some states than others?

[jonboyclem]

I think pictures of Lance & Eve also make for a good illustration.

Is there any regional patterns btw? Like are darkskinned aframs more concentrated in some states than others?

From what I've seen, theres a big number of light skinned aframs in Illinois, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, and California. With less light skinned Aframs in the Gulf states like Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida. I don't know about the Northeast but from what some of the posters observed, there's not a lot of lighter skinned Aframs over there.

[Janos]

Whenever I have been in USA most aframs have been darker-skinned than the celebrities (who are diluted with white or latino blood). Dark chocolate I would say.

[jonboyclem]

Whenever I have been in USA most aframs have been darker-skinned than the celebrities (who are diluted with white or latino blood). Dark chocolate I would say.

Celebrities aren't representitive of populations anyways.;)

[Janos]

I grew up in GA, the state with the third largest black population, and yes, such types are more common than people who look like this:

http://www.law.umich.edu/connection/facultyhome/laurabeny/Dinka%20Youth.JPG

Mind you really light-skinned types are rare among Aframs, but not as much as these licoriceoid fellows.

These fellows are not only rare among Aframs but also among Africans.

And I have yet to see any Tamils, Sir Lankese, Papuans or Australian Aborigines with that extreme dark color.

[pgbk87]

These fellows are not only rare among Aframs but also among Africans.

And I have yet to see any Tamils, Sir Lankese, Papuans or Australian Aborigines with that extreme dark color.

I agree about the Papuans, and most Sri Lankans who are usually medium & dark brown.... but pure Aborigines, Melanesians, and V.J. Singh-esque Tamils can reach Andaman Islander and Nilotic levels of darkness

[solkiM]

Wesley Snipes is the darkest mofo out there! The brother looks like he came straight out of africa! I think he's hollywoods maximum considered darkness though. After him charlie murphy offcourse :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUb06iLjTKA
(0:57)

edit: i saw wesley also made it to the tags :)

[pgbk87]

From what I've seen, theres a big number of light skinned aframs in Illinois, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Georgia, and California. With less light skinned Aframs in the Gulf states like Alabama, Mississippi, and Florida. I don't know about the Northeast but from what some of the posters observed, there's not a lot of lighter skinned Aframs over there.

I'd say the mid-Atlantic (VA, MD, Delaware.... with some of the largest numbers of Aframs) Ohio, , Louisiana, and the West Coast......

The East coast (PA, Jersey, NY, Conn., and Boston) has less of a likelyhood of lightskinned Aframs, but a more likely than Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Texas ... :confused:

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Wesley Snipes is the darkest mofo out there! The brother looks like he came straight out of africa! I think he's hollywoods maximum considered darkness though. After him charlie murphy offcourse :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUb06iLjTKA
(0:57)

edit: i saw wesley also made it to the tags :)

Darker than Alek Wek or V.J. Singh???

IDK:no:

[hero]

Somebody who really surprised me (complexion-wise) was Rihanna. I didn't notice how fair she was until she was dating Chris Brown and saw them in a pic together (I initially thought she was skin-bleaching, lmao!). She's one of those types that look brown/caramel most times, but becuz she has a lighter/yellow undertone she looks fairer under natural/sunny weather.

[aBonner]

Undertones are important to understand also when conducting the differences of skin tones. Especially differrentiating between who's the "darker" light skinned AA. For example Ice and Sinbad: Ice t's undertone is yellow while Sinbad's is peach/light orange.
yeah, people with pinkish undertones tend to look lighter and don't 'tan' as well. a lot of blacks with yellow/golden undertones can also look a tannish or light brown color with sun or just different lighting.

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I think pictures of Lance & Eve also make for a good illustration.

Is there any regional patterns btw? Like are darkskinned aframs more concentrated in some states than others?
I'd consider Eva more light brown to medium than light, but they are a good representation of complexion differenes, especially of the more prevelant types you'd see pretty mch everywhere

co-sign with jonboy and pbgk
pockets of southern Louisiana and places like Houston, parts of Cali (Creoles, Creole/AA and AA)
eastern parts of old Virginia, NC and SC
Atlanta area used to
parts of Ohio, particularly central OH
pockets in PA, NY, CT, DC, Baltimore (especially the older communities with antebellum roots)
seem to have more lighter folk

deep south, gulf states, Florida (South not Caribbean :lol:), Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma

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Whenever I have been in USA most aframs have been darker-skinned than the celebrities (who are diluted with white or latino blood). Dark chocolate I would say.
where have you been in the US?
were all the black Americans you saw AA?
in a number of places AAs don't make up the majority of blacks anymore.

I agree with jbc. celebrities never represent regular populations well.
with blacks our male celebrities tend to be medium to dark, our female celebrities medium to light (not many are actually fair). dark women and light men seem more likely to get the shaft. its an improvement though, most seem to be in the light brown to dark brown range, old black hollywood had mostly light to brown men and fair to light women!

[Cypher]

yes, central Virginia African American. AA parents, grandparents were slaves. upbringing typical of AAs in southside Va.
first black governor in the US.
I don't think he looks 'white' even now, definitely not when he was younger
http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/img/display_media.php?mets_filename=evm00000905mets.xm l&resolution=lowres
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/mgmedia/image/294/0/3446/ed-wild25_20091023-210409/
there are AAs (AA heritage, AA parents and family) that look 'whiter' than him, or just straight up 'white'. I didn't want to include any though to avoid arguments over who is and isn't AA/black and all the accompanying garbage.

To me the man could still pass. Shave his hair in the first pic, and he just looks slighty off white. In the other pics I wouldn't think Black American on first guess.

[hero]

I agree with jbc. celebrities never represent regular populations well.
with blacks our male celebrities tend to be medium to dark, our female celebrities medium to light (not many are actually fair). dark women and light men seem more likely to get the shaft. its an improvement though, most seem to be in the light brown to dark brown range, old black hollywood had mostly light to brown men and fair to light women!

I'd say that "black shows" tend to show more Med-Dark men, but most of mainstream Hollywood (white shows,films, etc) with black main characters tend to use lighter males (medium-light).

[aBonner]

I'd say that "black shows" tend to show more Med-Dark men, but most of mainstream Hollywood (white shows,films, etc) with black main characters tend to use lighter males (medium-light).
what lighter men are there?
Terrence Howard? TI? Boris Kodjo? Jeffrey Wright? Michael Ealy (all pretty much light brown at best). James Earl Jones maybe.
the biracial actor in Grey's Anatomy is very light, but James Pickens isn't and un-employed Isaiah Washington is straight up dark. hardly anyone knows Roger G Smith.
in film the tops are Will Smith, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Eddy Murphy, Samuel L, Forest Whitaker, Cuba Gooding Jr, Danny Glover, Chris Rock, Wesley Snipes, Jamie Foxx, Djimon Hounsou, Blair Underwood,
also Idris Elba, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Martin Lawrence, Lawrence Fishburne, Omar Epps, Derek Luke, Anthony Anderson, Mehcad Brooks, Dule Hill, Michael B Jordan, Tristan Wilds, Nelsan Ellis, Donald Faison, Adrian Lester, Tracy Morgan

I don't know who's big in tv.

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To me the man could still pass. Shave his hair in the first pic, and he just looks slighty off white. In the other pics I wouldn't think Black American on first guess.
ok, not to me. coloring, hair, nose, bone structure. But my fam is from that area and certain looks aren't unknown in certain AA populations (and certain phenotypes are more rare amongst 'white' Virginians), enough so that his look is 'familiar'.

GK Butterfield looks completely white to me, though he's from a prominent black North Carolina family ;)

[Cypher]

I'd say that "black shows" tend to show more Med-Dark men, but most of mainstream Hollywood (white shows,films, etc) with black main characters tend to use lighter males (medium-light).

I disagree. If anything, the Black American sitcoms have the greater abundance of medium to darker skinned blacks. Actually, there is a shortage of lighter skinned Black males in hollywood in general, usually recycling the same 3 or so. Darker males get their fair share in the biz.

[SirKnowAlot]

Whenever I have been in USA most aframs have been darker-skinned than the celebrities (who are diluted with white or latino blood). Dark chocolate I would say.

lolz what the hell is Latino blood??

[Gateway]

I'd say that "black shows" tend to show more Med-Dark men, but most of mainstream Hollywood (white shows,films, etc) with black main characters tend to use lighter males (medium-light).

I think you mean females. Most black male actors i've seen in Mainstream Hollywood tend to range from Light brown-dark skin. Females on the other hand is another story. Sadly, the darkest black female actress i've seen in mainstream Hollywood movies is Gaberielle Union and she's not even that dark.

[alfieb]

What about Gabourey Sidibe?

She looks like somebody melted a dark chocolate bar the size of a house.

[hero]

what lighter men are there?
Terrence Howard? TI? Boris Kodjo? Jeffrey Wright? Michael Ealy (all pretty much light brown at best). James Earl Jones maybe.
the biracial actor in Grey's Anatomy is very light, but James Pickens isn't and un-employed Isaiah Washington is straight up dark. hardly anyone knows Roger G Smith.
in film the tops are Will Smith, Don Cheadle, Morgan Freeman, Denzel Washington, Eddy Murphy, Samuel L, Forest Whitaker, Cuba Gooding Jr, Danny Glover, Chris Rock, Wesley Snipes, Jamie Foxx, Djimon Hounsou, Blair Underwood,
also Idris Elba, Chiwetel Ejiofor, Martin Lawrence, Lawrence Fishburne, Omar Epps, Derek Luke, Anthony Anderson, Mehcad Brooks, Dule Hill, Michael B Jordan, Tristan Wilds, Nelsan Ellis, Donald Faison, Adrian Lester, Tracy Morgan

I don't know who's big in tv.

Well half of the actors u listed aren't really 'active" at the moment. Only a few of em are currently doin anything. But yeah, you're right... the light-skin males (lighter than Will Smith) are MIA. Thought there were more for some reason... (shrug).

In general, there's a lack of black/non-white actors in general. From what I've noticed, these day's you're seeing some of those "minority" roles go to Asians (Indians included).

[Gateway]

What about Gabourey Sidibe?

She looks like somebody melted a dark chocolate bar the size of a house.

Yeah but she was in the movie directed and produced by a black director. I'm assuming Hero meant movies created by predominately Hollywood (I.E: white produced) movies . Movies directed by black directors and co, yeah I agree tend to use alot of darkskin girls, as well as lightskin girls especially Tyler Perry Movies.

[hero]

What about Gabourey Sidibe?

She looks like somebody melted a dark chocolate bar the size of a house.

"Precious"............ (sigh). Even though I enjoyed the film I HATE Hollywood for making it. But I wasn't surprised they did; the only 'black films' that are critically acclaimed in Hollywood are films that involve the main star being abused/raped/abandoned/etc.

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Yeah but she was in the movie directed and produced by a black director. I'm assuming Hero meant movies created by predominately Hollywood (I.E: white produced) movies . Movies directed by black directors and co, yeah I agree tend to use alot of darkskin girls, as well as lightskin girls especially Tyler Perry Movies.

And I HATE Tyler Perry films.... he should stick to his plays.

[Cypher]

Yeah but she was in the movie directed and produced by a black director. I'm assuming Hero meant movies created by predominately Hollywood (I.E: white produced) movies . Movies directed by black directors and co, yeah I agree tend to use alot of darkskin girls, as well as lightskin girls especially Tyler Perry Movies.

Speaking of black directors, why can't they delve into novel territory, in regards to subject matter/theme? Many of these black movies can't escape the horse beaten redundancy of "black romance" and heart break. More blacks should go into action, Sci-Fi, and things that males would consider at least mildly entertaining.

[hero]

Speaking of black directors, why can't they delve into novel territory, in regards to subject matter/theme? Many of these black movies can't escape the horse beaten redundancy of "black romance" and heart break. More blacks should go into action, Sci-Fi, and things that males would consider at least mildly entertaining.

Once more blacks start making more money (so their kids can go to better schools and have the finances to pursue other hobbies/interests) and having more "free time" (instead of working 60hrs a week), then you will see an increase in better/diverse black film directors, etc.

Or not! :lol: There are good ones now... they just don't have access to the funds that their non-black counterparts do....... (if only niggas would stop watching Tyler Perry flicks).

[alfieb]

They watched Soul Plane, too.

Because they pay for this crap, they bring it on themselves, imo.

[hero]

They watched Soul Plane, too.

Because they pay for this crap, they bring it on themselves, imo.

Dear God.... never utter those words again.

I too was 'forced' to support that horrendous fil.. no... (doesn't deserve to be called that)... 'thing.' I went to the movies with some friends, and the majority of them wanted to see it. And me being the foolish teen (or adolescent? forgot how old I was when it came out) I was, caved into peer pressure and followed (I don't like goin to movies by myself... feels lame). So I went and criticized the whole film the entire time.... (sigh).

[alfieb]

I know exactly what you mean.

I'd never go to the movies alone... and uh, for me, that movie was "Zoolander".

Hated that movie almost enough to want to go out and commit hate crimes when I finally got out of the theatre.

Of course, that's getting a sequel. The makers of Soul Plane were kind enough to stop with one abomination.

[Johnny Blaze]

I've some called Jay-z "lite skinned".


Thoughts?

Would a brown paper bag be a good indicator to see who's light, med, or dark? I think jay is the same complexion as the brown paper bag maybe darker.

[SirKnowAlot]

I've some called Jay-z "lite skinned".


Thoughts?

Would a brown paper bag be a good indicator to see who's light, med, or dark? I think jay is the same complexion as the brown paper bag maybe darker.

lmao who ever called Jay Z light skin most of been as blacker than akon

[aBonner]

Speaking of black directors, why can't they delve into novel territory, in regards to subject matter/theme? Many of these black movies can't escape the horse beaten redundancy of "black romance" and heart break. More blacks should go into action, Sci-Fi, and things that males would consider at least mildly entertaining.
they do, but how many out there have clout and funding aside from Spike Lee and... Tyler Perry:confused: and Lee has to scramble more than Perry who can keep belching out low quality cheaply produced movies consistently.
alot of stuff is independent and in limited release.
there are tons that never seem to make it out of post-production or get picked up by any distributor.
the movie industry in general is hurting now. so few worthwhile movies, a diminishing demand, over abundance of big studio crap, studios unwilling to take risks in such a crappy market.

I heard NetFlix is a good place to start looking though.

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I've some called Jay-z "lite skinned". :|

Would a brown paper bag be a good indicator to see who's light, med, or dark? I think jay is the same complexion as the brown paper bag maybe darker.
brown paper bags are pretty light.
that brown paper bag, blue veins, small tooth comb mentality was made to only include the lightest of AAs.
Jay-Z is hardly light. http://www.google.com/images?q=brown%20paper%20bag&rls=com.microsoft:*&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

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lmao who ever called Jay Z light skin most of been as blacker than akon :lol:
darker than Akon, Don Cheadle, Manute Bol and Alek Wek combined :D

[SirKnowAlot]

they do, but how many out there have clout and funding aside from Spike Lee and... Tyler Perry:confused: and Lee has to scramble more than Perry who can keep belching out low quality cheaply produced movies consistently.
alot of stuff is independent and in limited release.
there are tons that never seem to make it out of post-production or get picked up by any distributor.
the movie industry in general is hurting now. so few worthwhile movies, a diminishing demand, over abundance of big studio crap, studios unwilling to take risks in such a crappy market.

I heard NetFlix is a good place to start looking though.

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:|

brown paper bags are pretty light.
that brown paper bag, blue veins, small tooth comb mentality was made to only include the lightest of AAs.
Jay-Z is hardly light. http://www.google.com/images?q=brown%20paper%20bag&rls=com.microsoft:*&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi

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:lol:
darker than Akon, Don Cheadle, Manute Bol and Alek Wek combined :D

you got yourself an adaman islander if you add all that up...i think they are at least the top 3 darkest populations in the world ...but some dinka can come close

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3326/3184612185_c09f72131e.jpg?v=0

[pgbk87]

you got yourself an adaman islander if you add all that up...i think they are at least the top 3 darkest populations in the world ...but some dinka can come close

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3326/3184612185_c09f72131e.jpg?v=0

that's what I've been saying........:whoco:


Pure Australian Aborigines, and Andaman Islanders are just black as Nilotes....

On average, West Africans, Cushitics, Bantus, Aframs (& all New World Blacks) can't match dat :p

[hero]

I've some called Jay-z "lite skinned".


Thoughts?

Would a brown paper bag be a good indicator to see who's light, med, or dark? I think jay is the same complexion as the brown paper bag maybe darker.

Lol... the only people who'd match the color of a paper bag are Hispanics and Indians; black people are a warmer color/undertone.

[pgbk87]

Lol... the only people who'd match the color of a paper bag are Hispanics and Indians; black people are a warmer color/undertone.

I agree....... the brown paper bag is a very greyish-brown South Asian skin tone

[Cypher]

Lol... the only people who'd match the color of a paper bag are Hispanics and Indians; black people are a warmer color/undertone.

I disagree. Mexicans are quite "warm" when they are brownish (and heavily Amerindian influenced), because they're a reddish brown color. African Blacks though, rarely have reddish undertones. In fact, they sometimes lack obvious undertones, whereas other times, they have yellowish undertones.

[SirKnowAlot]

that's what I've been saying........:whoco:


Pure Australian Aborigines, and Andaman Islanders are just black as Nilotes....

On average, West Africans, Cushitics, Bantus, Aframs (& all New World Blacks) can't match dat :p

you sure about aboriginees though...they are dark but not jet black

http://www.michaels-reisetagebuch.com/thai/aborigines.jpg

[pgbk87]

you sure about aboriginees though...they are dark but not jet black

http://www.michaels-reisetagebuch.com/thai/aborigines.jpg

Yup.... That one pic does not change my mind

I saw "Bizarre Foods - Australian Outback" with Andrew Zimmeran, and the older pure Aborigines were Nilotic-esque dark

[SirKnowAlot]

Yup.... That one pic does not change my mind

I saw "Bizarre Foods - Australian Outback" with Andrew Zimmeran, and the older pure Aborigines were Nilotic-esque dark

lol i can post a huge selection of australian aboriginees... and on average they are no where CLOSE to Nilotics ethnic groups in skin color

they range from light brown to very dark brown

[Doctoris Scientia]

lol i can post a huge selection of australian aboriginees... and on average they are no where CLOSE to Nilotics ethnic groups in skin color

they range from light brown to very dark brown

Emphasis on "pure". Most aborigines are mixed to an extent.

[SirKnowAlot]

Emphasis on "pure". Most aborigines are mixed to an extent.

these cats don't look mixed at all...even if they were it definatly wouldnt be significant enough to change their skin color...but they still are not as dark as the average dinka

http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/aa-Australian-aborigines.jpg

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/feb2008/13aborig.600.1.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/australian%20aboriginees/sevenarts/cinema/greenantsdream1.jpg

[pgbk87]

these cats don't look mixed at all...even if they were it definatly wouldnt be significant enough to change their skin color...but they still are not as dark as the average dinka

http://www.anunews.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/aa-Australian-aborigines.jpg

http://www.indymedia.ie/attachments/feb2008/13aborig.600.1.jpg

http://media.photobucket.com/image/australian%20aboriginees/sevenarts/cinema/greenantsdream1.jpg

So put up a comparison with a Nilote, an Andaman Islander & those Aborigine pics

[SirKnowAlot]

comparison

[SirKnowAlot]

adaman islander....dinka....aboriginees....west african...

as you can see the australian is not darker than the west african

[pgbk87]

adaman islander....dinka....aboriginees....west african...

as you can see the australian is not darker than the west african

OK I agree:p

[Caine]

^Ni99a, where have you been? Haven't heard from you in a while.

Shiit livin the college life ma nig yalready know. Life been goin a million miles a minute wit it, like damn, seems like I never got time for the internet these days.

[Doctoris Scientia]

Shiit livin the college life ma nig yalready know. Life been goin a million miles a minute wit it, like damn, seems like I never got time for the internet these days.

hahaha, same here... but it's a good thing, some people on here need some "living" in their lives. People take the internet life to seriously. :(

[Bohecoa]

Nice thread.

[elone]

there are places in the deep south you can go where you can find some extremely black people like were depicted in this thread..their coloring is to the point that they are similar to the dinka people that were posted.does anyone know why that is? i have been to some of the backwoods area in mississippi and such that have some of the blackest people i have seen ever.they had smaller and skinnier heads than those pictured by the dinka people and most of them were lanky and had a very slender build.not really tall,most of the men were between 5'9 and 6 foot.



from my experience the majority of the really dark blacks in america tend to be down south.i see alot more light skinned people up north than i do down here.

[alfieb]

from my experience the majority of the really dark blacks in america tend to be down south.i see alot more light skinned people up north than i do down here.

I'd guess that's because the white admixture in Southern blacks comes from the days of slavery, where in the North there is more recent mixing?

[Bohecoa]

there are places in the deep south you can go where you can find some extremely black people like were depicted in this thread..their coloring is to the point that they are similar to the dinka people that were posted.does anyone know why that is? i have been to some of the backwoods area in mississippi and such that have some of the blackest people i have seen ever.they had smaller and skinnier heads than those pictured by the dinka people and most of them were lanky and had a very slender build.not really tall,most of the men were between 5'9 and 6 foot.


Most Haitians in the DR look like that.

[aBonner]

there are places in the deep south you can go where you can find some extremely black people like were depicted in this thread..their coloring is to the point that they are similar to the dinka people that were posted.does anyone know why that is? i have been to some of the backwoods area in mississippi and such that have some of the blackest people i have seen ever.they had smaller and skinnier heads than those pictured by the dinka people and most of them were lanky and had a very slender build.not really tall,most of the men were between 5'9 and 6 foot.



from my experience the majority of the really dark blacks in america tend to be down south.i see alot more light skinned people up north than i do down here.
those populations are less mixed historically (along with climate).

dark AAs look like generic dark west/central Africans

most AAs live in the South, the greatest diversity in AAs is still below the Mason-Dixon if one is looking for it.
the North and the Atlantic states are historically different from the Deep South/Gulf States; significant mixed and free black populations for generations before the Civil War, longer histories of groups mixing, manumitted slaves (often children of owners) resettled up North.
Maryland, Virginia, and the Carolinas had significant 'mixed' AA populations and those areas supplied a large number of the blacks that migrated to NY, OH, PA, NJ, etc (which already also had long standing communities of free people of color)

[Bohecoa]

Bump.

[jonboyclem]

Do you guys agree that Nas and Queen Latifah are the average African American, skin tone and feature wise?

[SirKnowAlot]

Do you guys agree that Nas and Queen Latifah are the average African American, skin tone and feature wise?

yup i agree they pretty much typical

[Johnny Blaze]

Do you guys agree that Nas and Queen Latifah are the average African American, skin tone and feature wise?

I'd say moreso Tisha Arnold for the average AA female:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1003&bih=410&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tisha+arnold&aq=0&aqi=g4g-s1g3&aql=&oq=tisha+a

[jibarodepr]

Do you guys agree that Nas and Queen Latifah are the average African American, skin tone and feature wise?Queen Latifah seems to have Amerindid traits.

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I'd say moreso Tisha Arnold for the average AA female:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1003&bih=410&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tisha+arnold&aq=0&aqi=g4g-s1g3&aql=&oq=tisha+a
Tichina Arnold to be more exact.

[jonboyclem]

I'd say moreso Tisha Arnold for the average AA female:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&biw=1003&bih=410&gbv=2&tbs=isch%3A1&sa=1&q=tisha+arnold&aq=0&aqi=g4g-s1g3&aql=&oq=tisha+a

But the average Afram woman is overweight. Queen Latifah fits the bill more;)

[jibarodepr]

Her too, but the average Afram woman is overweight.Why is that?Do they like to eat junk?

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Trina is AA/Dominican:




Trina's mother is African American (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/African_American) and her
father is Dominican (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/Dominican_Republic).[2] (http://forumbiodiversity.com/#cite_note-her-1)
Trina's parents were separated while she was growing up, so she lived in both
the Liberty City (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/Liberty_City)
housing projects in Miami and the upper-class Pembroke Pines of Florida[3] (http://forumbiodiversity.com/#cite_note-official_bio-2) Trina and
her youngest sister Brittany Ashlee Taylor graduated from Miami Northwestern High School (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/Miami_Northwestern_High_School), where she had been a
majorette (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/Majorette_(dancer))
in 1994. After high school she worked office jobs at AT&T (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/AT%26T) and United Parcel Service (http://forumbiodiversity.com/wiki/United_Parcel_Service) and also has a license in real
estate.

[jonboyclem]

Why is that?Do they like to eat junk?

I'm not going to turn this thread into something . But our diet is full of greasy fattening foods(like fried chicken, bbq, catfish)

EDIT: I didn't realize Trina was half Dominican,

[jibarodepr]

I'm not going to turn this thread into something . But our diet is full of greasy fattening foods(like fried chicken, bbq, catfish)Ok, not that PR eat healthy, but not all PR are overweight.

[jonboyclem]

Ok, not that PR eat healthy, but not all PR are overweight.

Most Americans in general are overweight. It's easy in this country because you could make your order larger at fast food restaurants.

[jibarodepr]

Most Americans in general are overweight. It's easy in this country because you could make your order larger at fast food restaurants.What do you think about latifah?Do you see amerindian triats on her or not?

[Eliades]

Does my Afram friend look a bit darker than the average Afram? Because I always thought he did.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/164043_192544797439356_100000515122366_703521_2721 905_n.jpg

[jibarodepr]

Does my Afram friend look a bit darker than the average Afram? Because I always thought he did.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/164043_192544797439356_100000515122366_703521_2721 905_n.jpg
No he looks average AA.

[jonboyclem]

What do you think about latifah?Do you see amerindian triats on her or not?

Nah, those eyes could come from Nigeria or somewhere else in West Africa. Her pops might have some amerindian, but her mother not at all.

[jibarodepr]

Nah, those eyes could come from Nigeria or somewhere else in West Africa. Her pops might have some amerindian, but her mother not at all.So she has the traits, as she looks like her father the most, her mom looks more typical afram.

[Eliades]

No he looks average AA.

Interesting, he seems darker than most I know.

Anyways, thanks for the clarification.

[jibarodepr]

Nah, those eyes could come from Nigeria or somewhere else in West Africa. Her pops might have some amerindian, but her mother not at all.Also her mom could be her sister.

[aBonner]

Do you guys agree that Nas and Queen Latifah are the average African American, skin tone and feature wise?
close enough
they're pretty typical

of several 'AA types' theirs is def one of the most common

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Does my Afram friend look a bit darker than the average Afram? Because I always thought he did.

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/164043_192544797439356_100000515122366_703521_2721 905_n.jpg
he looks pretty avg
medium brown

[York]

Most Black African Americans are very dark compared to other population groups. On average, native Bangladeshis may be as dark.

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Aframs as dark as Nilotic peoples are extremely rare in my experience. Aframs with complexions within the European range or light brown/blondish hair and light eyes are more common.

Common?

[Tenochkatl]

Common?

Relatively more so than that extreme blurple hue that occurs frequently among the Dinka and other Nilotic peoples. Such levels of darkness are uncommon even among most West African groups.

[jonboyclem]

Relatively more so than that extreme blurple hue that occurs frequently among the Dinka and other Nilotic peoples. Such levels of darkness are uncommon even among most West African groups.

I agree. The Dinka level of darkness is extremly rare with Aframs, but the West African level of darkness is common. The tribes with Dinka levels of darkness are found in Senegambia.

[SirKnowAlot]

I agree. The Dinka level of darkness is extremly rare with Aframs, but the West African level of darkness is common. The tribes with Dinka levels of darkness are found in Senegambia.

i dunno if its just me....but those people on the second pic are pretty dark but no where as close as the dinkas in the first pic IMO

[jonboyclem]

i dunno if its just me....but those people on the second pic are pretty dark but no where as close as the dinkas in the first pic IMO

The only West Africans I can think of that are close to the level of darkness as South Sudanese are from Senegambia. Like these Wolof women. The second woman on the left kinda looks like my moms, lol.

[Bellame]

Well I'm African American and considered "lightskinned". I don't think I'm too lightskinned,more of a caramel/reddish undertone. I have never seen an African American as dark as a Dinka.