Indianere fra Vinland kan ha blitt med til Island..

[evon]

http://www.forskning.no/artikler/2010/november/270547

very interesting...i dont have time to read the study until tomorrow, but it seems interesting:)

[Azvarohi]

C1 has been found in PPNB Syria dating to 6000-5750 BCE, maybe the black Olmecs built stargates even as far back as then?

Considering that - according to the authors of the paper - it is a new subclade within C1 (C1e) and it hasn't been found in America there is no real reason to really see America as more likely than any other area.

[Pallantides]

Er Björk en av dem? ;)

[evon]

i think its via Siberia to be honest, but at this point everything is possible..

also Björk could be a result of a similar mix...there are several instances of people of the same ethnic group having a baby with different features which in turn is inherited from something old in one or both of the parents DNA..like with two white Americans having a mulatto child etc..

[Pallantides]

Future headline:
Adam Beach finds out he have relatives in Lindesnes in Vest-Agder, Norway:
3666936670

:lol:

[evon]

Future headline:
Adam Beach finds out he have relatives in Lindesnes in Vest-Agder, Norway:
3666936670

:lol:



i have several Native Americans etc on my relative finder, mostly found in Canada, but ofcourse we are connected via European settlers coming there..but its always funny when i see people list their ancestry as native American on my relative finder list ;)

[Azvarohi]

Or Pallantides looking Asian yet showing no such thing in practically every run. ; -)

[Pallantides]

Or Pallantides looking Asian yet showing no such thing in practically every run. ; -)

I don't look Asian...:lol:

I think I got 1% Amerindian on one of Polako's admixture analysis though.

[evon]

here they are:

my aunts RF list:

Canada
Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup A2f1

United States
North American (Native American) ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup D1e
Paternal Haplogroup I2b1

North American (Native American) ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup C4
Paternal Haplogroup R1a1a*

Male
Maternal Haplogroup A2f1
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a1*

My uncles:

Female
Maternal Haplogroup C4

Me:

Male
North American (Native American) ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup C4
Paternal Haplogroup R1a1a*

United States
Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup C4
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f


Canada
Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup A2f1

Male
Maternal Haplogroup A2
Paternal Haplogroup Q1a3

Male
Maternal Haplogroup B4c1c1
Paternal Haplogroup I2b1


i was surprised by how much Europeans mixed when they got there (from my high number of people with probable mixed ancestry), the trend however seem to be very similar to Latin America, in that they are women who marry European men, not the other way around..

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I don't look Asian...:lol:

I think I got 1% Amerindian on one of Polako's admixture analysis though.

your last results show more "Siberian" IBD connections then myself, but this could be normal for eastern Norwegians as i didnt check the other norwegians results?

[Pallantides]

I don't have any Native American cousins on 23andMe, only got a bunch of Lutheran Minnesotans:p

[evon]

I don't have any Native American cousins on 23andMe, only got a bunch of Lutheran Minnesotans:p

hmm..i guess its could be due to more people migrating to the US from my part of the country then yours?

[Pallantides]

hmm..i guess its could be due to more people migrating to the US from my part of the country then yours?

I have many American cousins, majority are Norwegian-Americans.

[evon]

I have many American cousins, majority are Norwegian-Americans.

hmm, maybe i should make a thread about this at 23andme?

i wonder what the reason could be? as now i think it could be via my potential English/Irish ancestry settling in the US earlier then the Norwegians?

[Grynda]

i think its via Siberia to be honest, but at this point everything is possible..

also Björk could be a result of a similar mix...there are several instances of people of the same ethnic group having a baby with different features which in turn is inherited from something old in one or both of the parents DNA..like with two white Americans having a mulatto child etc..

Well, can't it be via Finns in Norway moving to Iceland? Can't they have had C1e from Siberia with them?

Here's an article in English:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/vikings-native-american-woman.html

[Huckleberry Finn]

Well, can't it be via Finns in Norway moving to Iceland? Can't they have had C1e from Siberia with them?

Grynda, I know that I'm asking too much but could you kindly on monday morning in Magma's office ask the local joakim göbbels is there any real reason to assume that finns have arrived from Siberia. But, I guess that you are not really interested in small details such as facts.

[evon]

Well, can't it be via Finns in Norway moving to Iceland? Can't they have had C1e from Siberia with them?

Here's an article in English:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/vikings-native-american-woman.html

so far ive not seen much C in Finland..

[Pallantides]

so far ive not seen much C in Finland..

True and there isn't much Y-DNA Q among Finns either, wich is also absent in the Saami but found in 2-4% of Norwegians if I remember correctly:
36818


We have more of these haplogroups than them:evilgrin:

[evon]

True and there isn't much Y-DNA Q among Finns either, wich is also absent in the Saami but found in 2-4% of Norwegians if I remember correctly:
36818


We have more of these haplogroups than them:evilgrin:

iknow, i also have a bunch of people with Q on my relative finder, some found in Norway..can i change my name to Hiawatha now?

[Tuohikirje]

iknow, i also have a bunch of people with Q on my relative finder, some found in Norway..can i change my name to Hiawatha now?

Good idea.

Orkney sagas (wink).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvc_ucLIpxc

[Paul_Johnsen]

Well, can't it be via Finns in Norway moving to Iceland? Can't they have had C1e from Siberia with them?

Here's an article in English:

http://news.discovery.com/archaeology/vikings-native-american-woman.html

Finns are unlikely. Finns didn't start moving to Norway in large numbers before the settlement of Iceland had taken place. There are Hg Cs all over Europe.

"mtDNA and the Islands of the North Atlantic: Estimating the Proportions of Norse and Gaelic Ancestry"
European Russia 4 out of 218
Finland/Estonia 1 out of 202
France/Italy 1 out of 248
Germany 1 out of 527
Turkey/Bulgaria 2 out of 102
Iberia 4 out of 352
Iceland 2 out of 467.

I doubt that all these are in fact C1. However there is no real reason to assume that the Icelandic C1e is native American. Personally I think it represents natural movements between eastern and western Eurasia. It is not as if there is no other "exotic" mtdna in Scandinavia.

As for Ydna hg Q. It splits into two Scandinavian branches. These two doesn't share a TMRCA within the last 10,000 years, and neither of the branches have any Native American matches within the last 10.000 years. Both have expansion dates that pre-date the Viking area, and only one of the two branches have ever been seen on Iceland. So a native American origin seems unlikely, to say the least.