Why race-mixing can be one-sided

[omm 'e m.e.r.d.a.]

Well first off, assuming when you say Caucasian you mean European, I don't agree that they tend to look like one parent. I can say personally that both of my parents see parts of themselves in me in appearance, whether you or anyone else does. However I think the reason so often people might think I'm not their kid if they see me alone with either one is because people tend to have a very superficial way of telling what "race" people belong to. Skin color and hair texture seem to be the most common determiners. Furthermore, I think there is a lot more to connecting with a person than appearance, as I'm sure you'd agree. Some people adopts kids, it's not always about how they look, there is a lot more to a person than appearance.

I think I'm a pretty fair mix between sub-Sahrid and Mediterranid genes, and I have people have told me throughout my life, oh "you look just like your mother" or "oh you look exactly like your father", so I think it often depends on what we are paying attention to. We have to resemble both parents at least a little. I know a lot of people with two parents of the "same race", who people think look nothing like one of their parents, so I don't think it's so much about race, unless you divide humans past the typical groups (Negro, Mongol, Caucasian ect.). Cause "white" people and "blacks" don' look the same because of their skin color.

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You're thinking that that Asian/Black genes dominate because you are coming from a white perspective when mixed children are actually an racial intermediate of both parents. The facial features, skin tone, and hair are always intermediate between mixed black/white/asian children, unless its multigenerationally mixed people like me where one child could be fully white looking , and the other child would look more black or latino.

I always find this funny how people tend to think in this way. I think because Blak Americans tend to have so much diversity in appearance and shade, it just seems easier to classify people as "Blacks" in America, but obviously if you look at any mixed persons features, it's very very obvious. The qualifications of "looking Asian" for most people are way to simplistic to me, people tend to ignore the European features if they see clear Asian ones. That is why I think people have a very superficial way of looking at "race". Typology is not all about genetics, and culture is more important than appearance anyways. I would like to know, what people think about who is what race to begin with, seems like a lot of people still call anyone with dark brown skin a Negro (Australian Aboriginals, natives of New Guinea, and the Philippines ect.) and think all "Caucasians" have the same origin (well they do if you mean Africa), we know they aren't all from the "Caucus" region so why do we still use that word? My point is there is so much ignorance to begin with, and then when you learn about anthropology, the genetic differences seem so insignificant.

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That's not what I meant. I would definitely be a good parent, but if my kid looked like I adopted him from another country, don't you think that it would be a little strange for me? People expect their kids to share some sort of resemblance to them...

Anyway, true. Maybe I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, I'm not exactly at the point in my life where I'm planning for a baby.

:lol: your child would never look like you adopted him or her from another country. No persons genes could be that weak, doesn't even make sense. They may have darker skin than you, but there is no way that absolutely nothing of your features will be apparent. You don't have a lot of very "big, or bulging features", so it might be subtle but don't count your genes out. If people are able to look past complexion I'm sure it wont be to difficult to tell your the mother. I know you're not seriously worrying about it.

Funny I just saw this thread up tonight, earlier I was watching a "countdown show" for an upcoming UFC event, and one of the fighters Josh Kocheck is of mixed genetic background and I never seen his father, but his mother appears in the special and I wasn't surprised to see how strongly they could resemble each other. The biggest difference between him an her I think is his skin color (one of the easier features to notice) and his hair texture and color. He also seems to have a slightly wider nostrils. In case you never seen him:

http://mmafrenzy.com/files/2008/10/josh-koscheck.jpg

They didn't have any pictures of his mom. I'm sure you've seen Alicia Keys, do you really think she looks 100% sub-Saharid (foreign from her mother)? How about Anthony Ervin, or Evan Ross, or Jason Kid? Jessica Szohr, Lauren London? Vin Diesel? How bout Wint Worth Miller, I think because his skin is so light most people would just assume he was "White". I choose partially sub-Saharid mixtures because I think that is the most extreme contrast in appearance to yours.

[omm 'e m.e.r.d.a.]

That's just one case. In most of them, the kid looks nothing like the white parent. Most asian-white children don't have double eyelids, most black-white children have very dark skin and an african "Negroid" (I DON'T want this term offend anyone! it's just a racial classification) skull and facial features.

Why take a chance? Even though genetics is always like Russian roulette, a lottery...but I think this is an important thing to think about, how you as a parent would be connected (physically...emotionally isn't in question) to your child.

It's simply not true that most "black-white" kids have very dark skin. It is darker than pale white skin (the complexion of some "Whites"), but I have people in my "White" (they are really assimilated Neapolitans) family with the same complexion as me, and I've had darker relatives. Again skin color is not all of our appearance, mixed "black-whites" have skin complexions between the parents complexions usually, so it's not exactly russian roulette. What is "Negroid" to you? What most anthropologists have described as Negroid, is not completely uniform in terms of skull shape. This is why Aethiopids have posed challenges to racial anthropologists. All people classified as "Caucasians" don't have the same skull shape either.

[Aetius]

Even the referees were sick and disgusted by them.
"Disgusted", Apu? Who, this (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Former_Ecuadorian_football_referee_Byron_Moreno_ar rested_for_drug_smuggling) guy (another sleazy bi-racial from Latin America, by the way)?

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Given a choice between a blonde and an italian girl who do you think almost all guidos would pick?
You write that as if it was necessarily alternative my curry-muncher friend.

For the record I'd go for a brunette, not as "brunette" as you of course it would be definitely too much.

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I don't care what you think you are. I'm only interested in the genetics. The genetic trail shows that on average Italy has 2-3% SSA mtDNA Haplogroups. (Don't get me going on E1b in Europe) You are not going to find that number in Sweden. That means Italy, has had African genetic contributions. It makes sense, Africa is just a 100 mile boat right away. And in my opinion there is nothing remarkable or negative about this. It is just a fact of history and geography. It does not make you or anyone else with an L mito group or SSA autosomal DNA any less Italian. It just reflects SSA migration patterns into Italy.
Source for the figure above? Even if it was true, what about the studies that didn't report any of it? Who's right and who's wrong? Judging by the FTDNA projects and from mito/Ysearch I'd say the latter. And by the way, what SSA migration into Italy have you been dreaming about? Are you sure you aren't confusing us with your European ancestors? I don't care if a very few oddballs come out y-dna E1a or mtdna L (E1b1b1a is mainly "European" too BTW, not to mention that E-M81, the North African form of E, is extremely rare to non existent in central and northern Italy): the SSA genes just aren't as widespread as to necessarily be present in all Italians, especially among central and northern Italians. I'm sure there's some N and Q too, does this reflect "Uralic" migration into Italy?

Also check out polako's and dieneke's projects, those should teach you one thing or two about SSA admixture.

Look these are facts, I'm not trying nor do I care to hide anything. If you don't like the truth it's your problem not mine.


As for the DNA test, which one did you take? Your results will vary depending on the analyzer and the analysis. I've taken four to date and they are all very different.
All the major dna testing company and I've also submitted them to private researchers.


What's your source that states that the original inhabitants of North Africa were Caucasoid? The Arabs didn't enter N. Africa until after 700AD.
Aren't the Berbers caucasoid? Hmmm... You must be aware of something that everyone else ignores. Anyway that's a false issue, as most Italians have 0 North African genes, so...

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P.S.- I've noticed it's mostly mixed/black/asian/latinos instead of "Nordics" themselves that are insulting Southern Europeans and taking the lead of the anti-Italian crowd, why?
Actually I've never been insulted by northern Europeans. As far as I'm concerned it's always the racially-ambiguous-whitening-lotion-purchasing crowd the most ignorant and vocal in this sense.

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One thing I enjoy is (and didn't know this before) that the closer people are the more they fight (or argue in these modern times)
Do you think Italians are that close to chinks and tri-racial spics?

[Indocentrist]

Aren't the Berbers caucasoid?

Firstly, there is plenty of negroid admixture in North Africa. Look at the King of Morocco for example. Secondly caucasoid does not equate to white as your buddy aflieb was trying to classify arabs and berbers as. Take a look at what what the north african conquerors of Sicily, Spain, Portugal etc looked like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXHmSBXE0dM&feature=related


Thirdly, look at the guidos from Jersey Shore. The arab and african admixture is apparent.

[Ekarfi]

Firstly, there is plenty of negroid admixture in North Africa. Look at the King of Morocco for example. Secondly caucasoid does not equate to white as your buddy aflieb was trying to classify arabs and berbers as. Take a look at what what the north african conquerors of Sicily, Spain, Portugal etc looked like:. The moors who conquered Sicily came from northern Tunisia , not south morocco. yes they were caucasoid , way more than Indians for sure. And why the fuck do you attack Sicily whatso? Inferior complexity?

[Aetius]

Thirdly, look at the guidos from Jersey Shore.
Now that's a good way to establish how Italians look like: just watch the 1/4 Italians and Chilean mestizos on Jersey Shore! Thank you Indocentrist you opened my eyes.

BTW I know it may sound weird to non-whites buying whitening creams, but white people love to get artificial tans (though not as tacky and "orange", it's just the American way).

[Indocentrist]

The moors who conquered Sicily came from northern Tunisia , not south morocco. yes they were caucasoid

Actually tunisians are even more negroid than moroccans. And the caucasoid tunisians are darker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfStS--pGmU

[Ekarfi]

Actually tunisians are even more negroid than moroccans. And the caucasoid tunisians are darker. lol not at all. they're not. tunisians are way lighter , your video is from the sahara . ugly dravidian jealous of mediterranean peoples. bluh!

[Aetius]

Actually tunisians are even more negroid than moroccans. And the caucasoid tunisians are darker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfStS--pGmU
So what? In Italy we have gypsies playing "O Sole mio" in the underground...

For what is worth Tunisians look more like the woman at 0:50 of that video than to the musicians. But you don't know because probably you've never met a Tunisian of course, it's not your fault. When I went there, most Tunisians looked like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luWggYFeuaU&feature=related) actually.

[Indocentrist]

So what? In Italy we have gypsies playing "O Sole mio" in the underground...


The gypsies look more "euro" than most sicilians. There are black, brown and white north africans. Many of the white ones are descended from the european slaves captured by the barbary pirates in their raids on the european coasts as far away as Ireland and Iceland. Here are some tunisians in bathing suits:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfEW5IqNMRw

[Aetius]

The gypsies look more "euro" than most sicilians.
:lol: Thanks for the laugh, you're a nice fella afterall.

[Tsukonin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfEW5IqNMRw

lol
all your vids are crap, from tourists in touristical closed areas (hotel complex, circuits...)! :lol:

If north african are "white" because of the capture of europeans, then 95% of north africans are of this slave descent.

jealous of mediterranean History and great civilizations.:thumbsup:

[Ekarfi]

The gypsies look more "euro" than most sicilians.[/url] oh geez , you're a hilarilous troll , don't even want to go farther on.

[Indocentrist]

If north african are "white" because of the capture of europeans, then 95% of north africans are of this slave descent.

Only a complete idiot or a shameless fraud would claim that "95%" of north africans look like white europeans. Some more north africans:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2gi-mKFG_Y

[Bonaoense]

I have a cousin who could pass for a horner (brown skin and caucasian features) and he looks almost like a dark skinned replica (as most of my family members have said of my maternal grandfather who is phenotypically European.

[alfieb]

The gypsies look more "euro" than most sicilians.

Primates look more human than South Asians.

See? We can make up shit too.

[elone]

(directed at the original poster)


this isnt exactly true.my cousin is black and even though you cant see his mother in his face you can definitely see it in his mannerisms...he is very timid and extremely nice like his mother,non confrontational and just extremely friendly,even though his mother passed when he was very little he acts just like her...maybe thats because he didnt grow up with his dad (he's never met him) or something.idk though.but you can definitely see his relationship to his grandfather.his grandpa is 6'5 or 6'6 and he,at only 12 is at least 5 '8 or 5'9,my height.dude is built like a line backer or something.he's huge.which is why its so crazy that he is so timid as he is.but even though his facial features are different it is very apparent to me and most people who knows him and knows his family who he comes from,so even though your kids might not look like you doesnt mean that he or she wont take some traits from you.and who knows,some mixed raced people look very white even though they arent all the way.case and point that dude from saved by the bell,zach morris i think,dudes half asian and you would never know by looking at him.

[Asce]

Actually tunisians are even more negroid than moroccans. And the caucasoid tunisians are darker.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfStS--pGmU

Lmao :lol:

Tunisians are the whitest north Africans.

[alfieb]

Lmao :lol:

Tunisians are the whitest north Africans.

Seriously. Where do they come up with that shit?

[Wickedgirl]

So, according to the U.S. census and many people on here Arabs and other Middle Easterners are white? Just wondering, how is that true? Most look very dark.

[EliasAlucard]

So, according to the U.S. census and many people on here Arabs and other Middle Easterners are white? Just wondering, how is that true? Most look very dark.Here's an aboriginal Middle Easterner, Assyrian Catholic priest Mar Raphael Bedawid:

http://www.aina.org/images/raphael2.jpg

Perhaps he was "brown" to you when he was younger and his hair was darker:

http://www.aina.org/images/raphael3.jpg

The contemporary stereotype of "Middle Easterners" is a brown dude like Osama Bin Laden.

[alfieb]

Indeed. Bin Laden's family are Yemenis. Yemenis are racially mixed with East Africans.

The average Middle Easterner is as white/Caucasian as the average Frenchman, and even more than the average Eastern European (thanks to Asian admixture).

[Wickedgirl]

On second thought, typed "Arabs" on google images and this is what I found (pics).

And according to racial categorizations (skull shape, genetics etc) Middle Easterners are "Whites/Caucasians" but they're also non-Europeans. I guess "Desert Caucasians" or "Middle Eastern whites" would be a better way to classify them.

You learn a new thing every day.

[EliasAlucard]

On second thought, typed "Arabs" on google images and this is what I found (pics).

And according to racial categorizations (skull shape, genetics etc) Middle Easterners are "Whites/Caucasians" but they're also non-Europeans. I guess "Desert Caucasians" or "Middle Eastern whites" would be a better way to classify them.The "Middle East" is more like an expansion of the Caucasian race into non-European territory. In the "northern" Middle East (Anatolia e.g.) so called "Middle Easterners" are more racially pure, save for the exception of Anatolian pseudo-Turks who have some minor Mongoloid admixture. However, the deeper you go into Arabia, Yemen, Berber regions, Egypt and similar places, the less racially pure and more Negroid admixed the populations are.

So that's why I think it's insulting as an Assyrian, to be mislabeled as "Christian Arab" because Arabs cannot boast of the same racial purity Assyrians posses. In reality, Assyrians are the parent population of Arabs and hence more racially pure.

@alfied: of course, there are racially pure Arabs as well who haven't mixed with East Africans but they're decreasing for each generation.

[Johnny Blaze]

The Sudanese are considered white too. :evilgrin::lol:


And no I'm not joking either.

[Wickedgirl]

Haha. And how are Sudanis considered white? Another pic (yes, I know it's pretty shallow to just type an ethnicity and judge by a few pictures, but it's usually true in general).

This is extremely bizarre:D

[Johnny Blaze]

No seriously they are:

[Wickedgirl]

what's with that map?......I'm not getting it.

Half of the world is white?

[EliasAlucard]

The Sudanese are considered white too. :evilgrin::lol:


And no I'm not joking either.Perhaps some Arab-admixed individuals from Sudan:

http://www.sudanesethinker.com/2007/02/03/SUDAN-ARAB-OR-AFRICAN/


what's with that map?......I'm not getting it.

Half of the world is white?It's the US census.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2000_Race_US_Census_map

[Wickedgirl]

This map seems more accurate in terms of what is usually considered "white".

[Ashina]

No seriously they are:

According to this map, Kazakh people (who are about 85% Mongoloid) are more Caucasoid than Pakistani and Indian people. :whoco:

[Wickedgirl]

In the U.S. most Middle Easterners, Mexicans and even Spanish or East European people aren't considered "white" by the average non-informed person. People all around the word I would say base their views from what they see, there's no way to scan someone's genetic material with your eyes.

In what way would Somalian people be considered white? Don't you think "Caucasian" would be a better term since they could be part of the same race as far as having similar facial features or genetics (which I doubt, they're probably closer to their neighbors) but obviously not being from continental Europe and having black or dark brown skin?

[Unome]

Caucasians can have either light or dark skin as the term 'Caucasian' means somebody who descends from the "Kavkas Mountain region". The historic importance of this geographical location is unknown, highly speculated, and anthropologically controversial.

[FCortex]

In the U.S. most Middle Easterners, Mexicans and even Spanish or East European people aren't considered "white" by the average non-informed person. People all around the word I would say base their views from what they see, there's no way to scan someone's genetic material with your eyes.

Actually many people from Spain and Eastern Europe look like your typical white person...it would take either an anthropologist or someone who is race obsessed to tell the difference between

this Eastern European blonde

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.russianlady.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/russian_lady.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.russianlady.net/belarus.html&h=203&w=150&sz=10&tbnid=RWuO8oBRJbJveM:&tbnh=105&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbelarus%2Bwomen&zoom=1&q=belarus+women&usg=__ynB7GngSGi_BhY--U8M32-rW0ME=&sa=X&ei=0yQITaWEAYG78gbV8dSSAQ&ved=0CDoQ9QEwBg

This blonde from the U.S

http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/2761138_Baylor_v_Texas.jpg

Can you honestly say that you could tell which one was Eastern European if you saw them walking down the street together? I couldn't, and very few could (or would even care to)

What about this Spanish woman?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.reasonpad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/spanish-women.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.reasonpad.com/2009/07/the-top-horniest-countries/&h=396&w=453&sz=84&tbnid=zcFE9KYbOO0WwM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dspanish%2Bwomen&zoom=1&q=spanish+women&usg=__UNBezbrfaEBqY2mdZdIirrsMzfc=&sa=X&ei=lCUITbT6CcWt8Aaz2M28AQ&ved=0CCwQ9QEwAw

Looks like your average pretty blonde. Again, how many people would be able to accurately classify her as a Spaniard in the U.S? These people all look white and would be labeled as white in the US for certain

[Zabersus]

In the U.S. most Middle Easterners, Mexicans and even Spanish or East European people aren't considered "white" by the average non-informed person. People all around the word I would say base their views from what they see, there's no way to scan someone's genetic material with your eyes.

In what way would Somalian people be considered white? Don't you think "Caucasian" would be a better term since they could be part of the same race as far as having similar facial features or genetics (which I doubt, they're probably closer to their neighbors) but obviously not being from continental Europe and having black or dark brown skin?

But most mexicans in the U.S are mestizo looking; and a lot of those towel heads have brownish skin, which sets your average WASP off as far as considering them to be white.

Northern spaniards and E.European, however, are very white looking people and I doubt the american ignoramuses would state otherwise.

[elone]

In the U.S. most Middle Easterners, Mexicans and even Spanish or East European people aren't considered "white" by the average non-informed person. People all around the word I would say base their views from what they see, there's no way to scan someone's genetic material with your eyes.

In what way would Somalian people be considered white? Don't you think "Caucasian" would be a better term since they could be part of the same race as far as having similar facial features or genetics (which I doubt, they're probably closer to their neighbors) but obviously not being from continental Europe and having black or dark brown skin?

i was under the impression that middle easterns are asians and most mexicans are mixed race and dont consider themselves white to begin with.i know puerto ricans who are as light skinned as me and obviously white but who arent considered and dont themselves consider white. as far as spainiard and eastern euro's i've never met anyone claim they werent white unless they were on some racit shit.

[Wickedgirl]

But most mexicans in the U.S are mestizo looking; and a lot of those towel heads have brownish skin, which sets your average WASP off as far as considering them to be white.

Northern spaniards and E.European, however, are very white looking people and I doubt the american ignoramuses would state otherwise.


In America, "white" mostly means Western European featured white. People who are from the Balkans and other parts of Eastern Europe have different features and a "foreign" look to Americans who are mostly of German, Irish, English decent. Even though they're clearly Caucasians and "White", they aren't considered "American white" so they aren't seen the same way. I can easily see past it but most people don't. and yeah it is ignorant but there is definitely a narrow view of who is white in America, not that it really matters anyway....it shouldn't make anyone lose sleep at night :p



i was under the impression that middle easterns are asians and most mexicans are mixed race and dont consider themselves white to begin with.i know puerto ricans who are as light skinned as me and obviously white but who arent considered and dont themselves consider white. as far as spainiard and eastern euro's i've never met anyone claim they werent white unless they were on some racit shit.


Yeah, most Mexicans are of mixed Native American and Spanish decent, there are "white" Mexicans who consider themselves descendants of the conquistadors but the majority looks more native American, which is the stereotypical look of a Mexican. Even if they are mostly European, Mexicans usually look more like their Native American side, which brings back the point of my topic.

And trust me, Spanish people are stereotyped mostly as looking like South Americans in the US, I had a TEACHER in 9th grade answer a classmates question "What's the difference between North and South Koreans and the teacher responded "That's like asking what's the difference between people from Spain and Mexico" hahaha. Dumb!

[omm 'e m.e.r.d.a.]

what's with that map?......I'm not getting it.

Half of the world is white?

The term "white" to me is borderline useless to me. Some say you can be "white" and not "Caucasian", but the term Caucasian is outdated. Europeans shared ancestry lies in Africa, not the Caucus mountains. "White" skin isn't significant enough in my opinion to even devise a typological class, with so many other characteristics, not even every European has "white" skin. The Mediterraneans from what I've read, originate in Africa and the Middle East, not Europe. The first Europeans were Cro-Magnon. The prototypical "Mediterranean race" probably had brunette skin.

But then you find inconsistencies, and a lot of borderline groups. The people the Sudanese government are geocoding are ethnic minorities who are "black" skinned. Many "black" Arabs however have the same skull shape as other non-"black" Arabs. It's confusing I guess, but I think if we had more adequate labels it would be less confusing.

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This map seems more accurate in terms of what is usually considered "white".

That looks like Thomas Huxley's map, that's a step in the right direction to me, in terms of "race"

[Vasishta]

The moors who conquered Sicily came from northern Tunisia , not south morocco. yes they were caucasoid , way more than Indians for sure. And why the fuck do you attack Sicily whatso? Inferior complexity?

..Even after extremely pro Indian/Indo-Centric posts like these -

http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=150670&postcount=5
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=150608&postcount=3
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=150781&postcount=11
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=151756&postcount=5

..And extremely neutral posts like these-

http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=150391&postcount=16
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=151155&postcount=9
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?p=151223#post151223
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=154041&postcount=244
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=168280&postcount=25
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=167467&postcount=121
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=242188&postcount=7
http://forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=171974&postcount=32

..People still think "Indo-centrist" is an Indian. I question the intelligence of any forum member who still thinks as such. You naive folks assume this malicious troll is an Indian judging by his username alone and thus whenever he makes an inflammatory/trollish statement or post against a certain nationality or ethnic group, people are compelled to make (unwarranted) attacks against Indians in the same manner, while this fellow chuckles away behind his computer screen at the hate he is garnering for us Indians.

[ejay]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and everytime I bring it up in a discussion with friends- they shut me out and say it isn't justified to be concerned about. That it's "racist".

The thing is, usually when a white person has a kid with someone that's of a different race, say Black or Asian (chinese, korean, japanese...) they can't see themselves in their own child because most East Asian/African features dominate over Caucasian/European ones (in terms of genetics). Your kid could look nothing like you and be an almost exact copy of their other parent! Wouldn't this affect you mentally in at least some ways? I know it would for me. Taking care of them and loving them, I wouldn't have any issues with at all, but taking them out with you, everyone else is going to assume they are adopted, no one is going to recognize us as being related. I'll barely have a physical resemblance with them. That's definitely going to make me wonder if I really could consider them "MINE".

It's totally one-sided and scares me. I think it's 100% acceptable to talk about this and bring it up in these kinds of conversations, there's no "racism" intended but the world is a beautiful place with a lot of diversity, it's a shame that Caucasians get the short end of the stick most of the time when it comes to passing on our physical traits. I just want to know what other people's thoughts about this are, and if you would also worry about it. Would this convince you against having a relationship with someone of another race or is the thought not even in the back of your head?


EDIT: I'm not against Interracial relationships! I don't care who anyone else decides to screw. Please don't start a flame war, I didn't mean to offend anyone with this question. This is what this forum is all about, asking things like this. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing this or thinking about it.


your speaking from an white perspective though....asians think those eurasian kids look too white...the same one who you think looks too asian

its all about perspective

[jd12]

my family is multi ethnic, it probably doesn't count since they're from ethnic groups that pretty much look the same.

[Atesh]

Here's a baby which is a result of a Turkish Ethiopian with a Turk click here. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_abJTZ4_vZE0/THe8heZcffI/AAAAAAAAA2k/Xa_qs2G-jpQ/s1600/Tugce+guder+1.jpg) Here's a picture of the guy (http://static.guncel.net/archive/8436/TdKKww9UaaG.jpg). The Turkish women said she was surprised that the baby was so 'light'. She was chosen best model of Turkey back in 2005. Personally, I wouldn't mind marrying someone out of my own race, as long as the Turkish culture is dominant. If it's a girl, the Turkish culture will be dominant, but if it's a boy, the other one will. This is a common trend among mixed Turks. Most of the boys don't even know how to speak Turkish and do not want to associate themselves with one either, but when it's a girl they even change their non-Turkish names to Turkish ones. This applies for mixed Turks in the Netherlands though, I won't generalize to our other diaspora countries.

[Eliades]

Honestly, I think it is very one sided. When I've seen race mixing occur between a white and non-white, I've never seen the kid look like the white parent. The only exception I've ever seen was how Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son) looked white for the most part as opposed to Bruce Lee was obviously Chinese.

[jonboyclem]

Honestly, I think it is very one sided. When I've seen race mixing occur between a white and non-white, I've never seen the kid look like the white parent. The only exception I've ever seen was how Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son) looked white for the most part as opposed to Bruce Lee was obviously Chinese.

Bruce Lee was 1/4 German though. That's why Brandon Lee came out pred-Euro looking.

[Eliades]

Bruce Lee was 1/4 German though. That's why Brandon Lee came out pred-Euro looking.

Ah I see. I thought Bruce Lee was 1/8 or 1/16 German. Thanks for that piece of information.

[CWF]

Can we all agree that when race mixing occurs the couple realizes that fact and DOESN'T give a damn? No one is forcing people into interracial relationships. If race means a lot to you then you don't do it.

[Wickedgirl]

what's wrong with discussing it though?

My brother is married to a mexican girl, and my sister is dating one right now. My family is very open-minded, and so am I. I'm just wondering what people's thoughts about this are... having a child that may not resemble you that much or at all.

[CWF]

what's wrong with discussing it though?

My brother is married to a mexican girl, and my sister is dating one right now. My family is very open-minded, and so am I. I'm just wondering what people's thoughts about this are... having a child that may not resemble you that much or at all.

I'm not saying don't discuss it. I just think we need to consider truth and reality along with the various stances on racial mixing. These views belong to individuals who get to decide who they will procreate with and I am fine with someone deciding that they want their kids to be of the same race as that is their right.

[ejay]

Honestly, I think it is very one sided. When I've seen race mixing occur between a white and non-white, I've never seen the kid look like the white parent. The only exception I've ever seen was how Brandon Lee (Bruce Lee's son) looked white for the most part as opposed to Bruce Lee was obviously Chinese.

zach from saved by the bell was partially asian

here r some examples of eurasians who could pass for full white

[EliasAlucard]

zach from saved by the bell was partially asianIndonesian to be specific:

http://www.markpaulgosselaar.net/images/young/02.jpg

Indonesians are Australoids or something like that?


here r some examples of eurasians who could pass for full whiteWho's the chick and what's her ancestry?

[ejay]

Indonesian to be specific:

http://www.markpaulgosselaar.net/images/young/02.jpg

Indonesians are Australoids or something like that?

Who's the chick and what's her ancestry?

the chick is japanese-white

indonesian isn't all australoid...just the far eastern part like irian jaya...though I doubt he is papuan

[Janos]

Black and asian traits are dominant.

[jibarodepr]

Black and asian traits are dominant.Nope.

[EclectYummination]

Dont do it.Race mixing aint all that.I look like neither of my parents,I ended up looking like an alien race from both.How do you think they feel about that?

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Your wrong about that though,I think it may be common,but my parents are phenotypically exact opposites,and going out with either of them I look unrelated.I know how it feels.I always wondered how it felt for them too.

Hmm. In my eyes it's should be more of a priviledge to be seen with a kid of another race(whites blacks asians arabs whatev). I mean I'm sorry dude on second comment felt that way groin up, but being African American plus having a good degree of mixed experiences myself I honestly couldn't say I thought about or gave anything anything like this a second glance much.

"Frightens"? I guess if you look at it from the view of whites being defined by the "No Drop Rule" (I know it's really "One Drop"), but plenty of whites have found out they have ancestors down the line, it's really simple melanin level and I honestly don't see how it's that big a deal.

People seem to be paranoid period. I guess it would be an evolutionary advantage..

One day (in America) all of the Census like categories will either dissolve or become meaningless.

---------- Post added 2011-08-07 at 19:19 ----------


Nope.

Agreed. Even melanin wise, even there being different types / colors of melanin and several genes affecting them, most / half the time the child is going to come out directly in between the untanned pheno of both the parents.

It's funny tho when in "Me Myself & Irene" how black the baby was when she had it, and how dark-skinned they grew up to be. It was like "wow". They three popped out darker than their illigitamite midget father. Silly movie.

[Laksmi]

Physical appearance really shouldn't be such a big deal to parents, it's just an appearance but in the end your connection with your parents is what counts. I mean the kid is still yours even if they don't look anything like you.

Your kid could look nothing like you and be an almost exact copy of their other parent! Wouldn't this affect you mentally in at least some ways? I know it would for me. Taking care of them and loving them, I wouldn't have any issues with at all, but taking them out with you, everyone else is going to assume they are adopted, no one is going to recognize us as being related
I guess I kinda understand you point about that, I mean I experience that a lot where people don't think me and mom are mom/daughter....She's white and clearly I'm not, I don't even look half white. But still...looks doesn't bother me at all, cos while I may look like my dad and his family it doesn't take away my bond with my mother which is irreplaceable and me and my dad will never have that connection. So yeah just remember appearance won't mean anything when it comes to your connection/closeness with your kid and that's what should matter more. :)
Either that or just don't marry or have a kid with a non-white person then if the looks factor is that important...simple

[Particula]

I've been thinking about this for a while, and everytime I bring it up in a discussion with friends- they shut me out and say it isn't justified to be concerned about. That it's "racist".

The thing is, usually when a white person has a kid with someone that's of a different race, say Black or Asian (chinese, korean, japanese...) they can't see themselves in their own child because most East Asian/African features dominate over Caucasian/European ones (in terms of genetics). Your kid could look nothing like you and be an almost exact copy of their other parent! Wouldn't this affect you mentally in at least some ways? I know it would for me. Taking care of them and loving them, I wouldn't have any issues with at all, but taking them out with you, everyone else is going to assume they are adopted, no one is going to recognize us as being related. I'll barely have a physical resemblance with them. That's definitely going to make me wonder if I really could consider them "MINE".

It's totally one-sided and scares me. I think it's 100% acceptable to talk about this and bring it up in these kinds of conversations, there's no "racism" intended but the world is a beautiful place with a lot of diversity, it's a shame that Caucasians get the short end of the stick most of the time when it comes to passing on our physical traits. I just want to know what other people's thoughts about this are, and if you would also worry about it. Would this convince you against having a relationship with someone of another race or is the thought not even in the back of your head?


EDIT: I'm not against Interracial relationships! I don't care who anyone else decides to screw. Please don't start a flame war, I didn't mean to offend anyone with this question. This is what this forum is all about, asking things like this. I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing this or thinking about it.
I've been thinking about that this morning and I had the same conclusion :D

[ethioboy]

Black and asian traits are dominant.

No, thats a myth sir.

[Particula]

No, thats a myth sir.

they are in most cases especially west african traits,most mulattoes look like watered down Congoleses
http://api.ning.com/files/SERpaLSGtw-YeBAdoW02Bpk*blyF1OCfMOpfoqhtJLy8iYwzGuZ63lKlHT-mz0r159nTxHnX0vKngpVB9SciS-3kllXrWVge/DSCN0537.JPG?transform=rotate%28270%29&width=450&height=600

[Asce]

they are in most cases especially west african traits,most mulattoes look like watered down Congoleses...

Are you fuckin kidding me? Have you seen most Dominicans and Mauritanians (and I'm strictly talking about the hassaniyas/sahraouis) who are virtually within mulatto range (on average)? Do any of them look like fuckin watered down central-west Africans to you?

[Falsetruth]

the main reason people perceive biracial folks as black is because the skin color and afro/kinky hair sticks out the most. even if someone had very cacuasoid facial features, the skin and hair alone would make most americans perceive him/her as black, even though a pure black person would look completely different.

however here in europe noone would miskate a mullatto for a pure black person, because we know they look completely different. most people here know that east africans are mixed as well and dont group them together with pure negroids.

[Kwestos]

If you mix rock music with jazz music, it is going to be too jazzy for a rock fan and to rocky for a jazz fan:)

[Janos]

the main reason people perceive biracial folks as black is because the skin color and afro/kinky hair sticks out the most. even if someone had very cacuasoid facial features, the skin and hair alone would make most americans perceive him/her as black, even though a pure black person would look completely different.

however here in europe noone would miskate a mullatto for a pure black person, because we know they look completely different. most people here know that east africans are mixed as well and dont group them together with pure negroids.

The somalis I've seen in Sweden/Norway are pretty black-skinned and negroid. Eritreans are different though.

[Falsetruth]

We had one half black half Chinese here on this forum who claimed he was the master race - intelligent as a mongoloid, strong as a negroid.

That would look weird, I haven't seen anyone who looks as much asian as black.

Racemixing can be an unsafe card. What if someone ends up with black skin, negroid facial features, slanty chinese eyes, blue eyes and blond curly hair?

---------- Post added 2010-12-07 at 17:14 ----------

Transforming black to white.
Blossom Tainton: Swede/Afram (mulatto)

http://www.expressen.se/polopoly_fs/1.783994!slot100slotWide75ArticleFull/3447786819.jpg

Her son Robin, whom she has with a swedish (white) guy.

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/23/l_d6e8963efdb247a7bc0cf853801845af.jpg

Even a quadroon like him would be labelled as colored. The negroid features are clearly visible. And he is only 1/4.

I wonder how his children will look (if he gets with a white ofcourse). An octodroon or what you call them.

Our prime minister is 1/32 black (Afram + Latvian + Swede), not even I can find negorid traits in him.

Ofcourse with Indian or Asian the white/caucasian race will dominate faster.

the only reason indian/white mixed people end up looking more white, is because many people refuse to acknowledge that majority of indians look very similar to whites except being darker. both whites and indians are caucasian, if you mix one of the minority indians with australoid features, then you will see that the children usually looks intermediate.

but north indians on the other hand can often look completely mediterranean already. so obviously the mixed children will be perceived as white

---------- Post added 2011-08-08 at 02:32 ----------


That source sucks...

I've seen studies that put Southern Euro's @ ~5-10% SSA
There.....You can kill yourself now octoroon :lol:

but those studies are factally wrong and have been debunked long ago. Southern euros pretty much has 0% sub saharan ancestry, in some rare places it might reach 3% but then again that is north african ancestry so still not negroid. :whoco:

[EiCibaeño]

I found these ~3 years ago when lurking race forums and don't know where the hell I found them (possibly thestudyofracialism.org) or who made them but I always found them to be an interesting racial admixture gradient. Any thoughts on the validity of the morphing?

[Laksmi]

the only reason indian/white mixed people end up looking more white, is because many people refuse to acknowledge that majority of indians look very similar to whites except being darker. both whites and indians are caucasian, if you mix one of the minority indians with australoid features, then you will see that the children usually looks intermediate.

but north indians on the other hand can often look completely mediterranean already. so obviously the mixed children will be perceived as white

---------- Post added 2011-08-08 at 02:32 ----------



but those studies are factally wrong and have been debunked long ago. Southern euros pretty much has 0% sub saharan ancestry, in some rare places it might reach 3% but then again that is north african ancestry so still not negroid. :whoco:

I noticed many whites that mix with South Indians(the majority are dark) end up having children that look more mixed or they look like average North Indians (medium brown skin)....whereas with North Indians(usually medium brown to light brown)and a White person the kids look more Euro.

[Falsetruth]

The same things happen with Sahelians, like the Fulani who have little to no "Caucasoid" (Not even Tuareg) admixture, yet look very Caucasoid influenced due to environmental adaptation.

thats not true at all, the fulani have caucasoid admixture, their origins lie in eastern africa along the nile, so they obviously have caucasoid admixture like majority of east africans do.

---------- Post added 2011-08-08 at 03:00 ----------


Firstly, there is plenty of negroid admixture in North Africa. Look at the King of Morocco for example. Secondly caucasoid does not equate to white as your buddy aflieb was trying to classify arabs and berbers as. Take a look at what what the north african conquerors of Sicily, Spain, Portugal etc looked like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXHmSBXE0dM&feature=related


Thirdly, look at the guidos from Jersey Shore. The arab and african admixture is apparent.

lol are you blind or just stupid? there is no visible african traits at all in any of the jersey shore cast, and they are meztiso, they dont have any african dna at all

---------- Post added 2011-08-08 at 03:01 ----------


lol not at all. they're not. tunisians are way lighter , your video is from the sahara . ugly dravidian jealous of mediterranean peoples. bluh!

that guy is not dravidian or even indian, he is a ugly black negro though, he only uses his name to make himslef look less biased

---------- Post added 2011-08-08 at 03:17 ----------


I noticed many whites that mix with South Indians(the majority are dark) end up having children that look more mixed or they look like average North Indians (medium brown skin)....whereas with North Indians(usually medium brown to light brown)and a White person the kids look more Euro.

yep thats pretty much spot on.

[EclectYummination]

If you mix rock music with jazz music, it is going to be too jazzy for a rock fan and to rocky for a jazz fan:)

Eat this sucka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpPb2cVswlI

I see what you're saying, I could be in the mood for something more jazzy or more rocky :)

[Maroon King]

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=102443&d=1312763699

I have seen all these phenotypes here in Miami just between Dominicans and Cubans.....Far left Cuban, followed by Dominican, towards the right end it becomes Cuban again :lol:

[Particula]

The somalis I've seen in Sweden/Norway are pretty black-skinned and negroid. Eritreans are different though.

I don't think Somalis looke very negroid/congoid some can be very dark skinned but their eyes,nose and mouths aren't congoid
sompare them
Somalis
http://culturesofafrica.pbworks.com/f/somalia_somali_nomad_girls.jpg
http://madaale.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/2-somali-men-freed.jpg
Congoleses
http://switchboard.internationalministries.org/uploaded/women08_%2828%29sm.jpg

[Hybrid99]

I found these ~3 years ago when lurking race forums and don't know where the hell I found them (possibly thestudyofracialism.org) or who made them but I always found them to be an interesting racial admixture gradient. Any thoughts on the validity of the morphing?

Damn... I'm 1/2 black 1/2 white, and I look more like 3/4 black.... :| :lol:

[Saracen]

Mongoloid can be very dominant at the quadroon/octoroon level. It is hard to breed Mongoloid out, their features stick for generations.

[Kwestos]

Eat this sucka.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpPb2cVswlI

I see what you're saying, I could be in the mood for something more jazzy or more rocky :)

hah I was speaking about some conservatism among Jazz/rock fans. I myself like eclectism and dont mind criss-cross, at the end of the day one of my favourite bands was faith no more.

[EclectYummination]

black genes more dominant (instead of equal?) Not likely, check these pics of various type mixes:

http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2804161

[Viking]

Mongoloid can be very dominant at the quadroon/octoroon level. It is hard to breed Mongoloid out, their features stick for generations.

Do you think Kristin Kreuk or Brandon Lee look dominantly Asian/Mongoloid?

Then we also have the partially Amerindian examples. I've heard that Gary Busey (half Native American) and Edward Furlong (half Russian and half Mexican) look very Amerindian. :p

[Hybrid99]

black genes more dominant (instead of equal?) Not likely, check these pics of various type mixes:

http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2804161

the Somali/Finnish boy there could pass as a native Finn in my eyes, he looks WAY more Finnish than Somalian :)

[Saracen]

Do you think Kristin Kreuk or Brandon Lee look dominantly Asian/Mongoloid?

Then we also have the partially Amerindian examples. I've heard that Gary Busey (half Native American) and Edward Furlong (half Russian and half Mexican) look very Amerindian. :p

There are always anomalies, but most quarter Asians I have met look almost the same as half Asians.

For example these kids look almost as mongoloid as their dad (who is just half Korean himself)

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/10/107379/06_2009/e8f73bda63b5cd73_gosslins.jpg
http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/jon-minus-9.jpg

[JaM]

Trust me, those kids will look more white in ten to twenty years.

[Falsetruth]

black genes more dominant (instead of equal?) Not likely, check these pics of various type mixes:

http://redsea1.websitetoolbox.com/post?id=2804161

well you cant really use east africans to prove your point in this case, because eastafricans are already mixed paternally with caucasoids to begin with.

But i still agree that in general features of a true mullato (50% negroid, 50% caucasoid) the features tend to be intermediate, but obviously in some cases the child can take more from one of the parents and less from the other.

[Habesha20]

well you cant really use east africans to prove your point in this case, because eastafricans are already mixed paternally with caucasoids to begin with.

But i still agree that in general features of a true mullato (50% negroid, 50% caucasoid) the features tend to be intermediate, but obviously in some cases the child can take more from one of the parents and less from the other.

Really? I didn't know that :confused:

[Falsetruth]

Really? I didn't know that :confused:


"Our findings of the presence of the YAP insertion in northeast Indian tribes and Andaman islanders with haplogroup D indicate that some of the M168 chromosomes have given rise to the YAP insertion and M174 mutation in south Asia"

"Some of the YAP insertion chromosomes without the M174 mutation reached the Mediterranean via Central Asia and gave rise to the E lineage with mutations at M40 and M96 (~31 000 years ago; Hammer et al. 1998). This E lineage back-migrated to Africa through the Levant as hypothesized by Hammer et al. (1997) and Altheide and Hammer (1997)"

"This study reports, for the first time, high frequencies (8–65%) of Y Alu polymorphic (YAP) insertion in northeast Indian tribes"

"One isolated case with haplotype E* was found in Dungri Bhill, a western Indian population, while YAP insertion in northeast India and Andaman tribes was found in association with haplotype D* (M168, M174)"

"The findings of YAP insertion in northeast Indian tribes are very significant for understanding the evolutionary history of the region."



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17786594

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/1502628/1/

and when you add the fact that the population that left East Africa to colonize the world -- including other parts of Africa -- carried only CT and L3. We know this because if A, B and L0-L2 had already been present in that population, then those haplogroups would have colonized the world too. But they didn't. Therefore, modern Ethiopians(and other horners) have ancestry that the original East Africans (i.e. OOA migrants) didn't have, so they're not representative.

and we know that east africans cluster closer with euroasians compared to other africans (west and south africans) and that the A, B and L0-L2 lineages belonged to a differentiated population at the time of OOA, so now today when you find those old haplogroups mixed with the more recent ones in modern horners, (y-dna E, J and T as well as mtdna M) the most logical assessment is that they are a hybrid population created long after the OOA migration.

[EclectYummination]

This thread and histeria now thinking about it overlooks Slavs / Russians / North Asia (and Northern East Asia).

The main striking thing that I learned related to this was Germany's in particular and Europe's shrinking in-situ population and lean towards immigration. Other than that, I mean people sometimes randomly mention this thing, but most people who care enough to talk about this over the 'net I saw were White Nationalist.

Which, first coming across this groups net histeria I was stricken (Chris Rock come's to mind "White people: If you're losing, who the hell's winning?" :D).


Really? I didn't know that :confused:

Actually that's a huge generalization, but not so much for certain ethnic groups like Amhara and Tigray I think.


in general features of a true mullato (50% negroid, 50% caucasoid) the features tend to be intermediate, but obviously in some cases the child can take more from one of the parents and less from the other.

This can even happen with melanin level, but with that most of the time (half the time) the tone is very close to directly in between that of the parents.


"Our findings of the presence of the YAP insertion in northeast Indian tribes and Andaman islanders with haplogroup D indicate that some of the M168 chromosomes have given rise to the YAP insertion and M174 mutation in south Asia"

"Some of the YAP insertion chromosomes without the M174 mutation reached the Mediterranean via Central Asia and gave rise to the E lineage with mutations at M40 and M96 (~31 000 years ago; Hammer et al. 1998). This E lineage back-migrated to Africa through the Levant as hypothesized by Hammer et al. (1997) and Altheide and Hammer (1997)".

You're deeply confused on this issue and use grossly outdated information from lineal genetics' infancy.

Firstly E is so prevalent in Africa it'd be useless if it had arisen 50,000 years ago just outside the continent, when major out of Africa migration (70-30kya) may still have been happening. Not because its parents may have been African, but because no matter what they are it's been in the continent for just as long, it's overwhelmingly the primary Bantu lineage for instance reaching in West Africa (the exact opposite end of the continent) numbers up to and including 100%.

The only known instance of super-archaic lineage DE* was in Nigeria, I thought (I took this as a remnant as E* aka E-M96 is said to have arisen in NE Africa).

DE and Ct from which it descends both originate 60k plus years ago, which, 60 years ago is the mainline date for the original or first successful (descendants still alive today) "Out-of-Africa" migrations, making them Africans essentially. :D The extents to which you go, boy.

E-P2*, responsible for probably 90% of Africa is Ethiopian (though also found in Senegal, West Africa), so if they're mixed so is 90% of Africa (Africa x the "bushmen" :D basically) from the male side at least.

To help you out I think you're best bet for non-African E lineages are some of the clades descended from M78 (E1b1b1a1, I think), or somewhere near on the E phylogeny.

Also, phenotype isn't decided by a random mutation we call a marker occuring on a Y-chromosome, nor by Mitochondrial DNA. :D There are actual genes that determine how you look. :D LOL

Your son's son's son's son and so on will carry the exact same marker as yourself, so as you see it doesn't track the rest of the input into his genome, let alone directly affect phenotype in the first place. In Ethiopia for instance there is no Bantu influence, and yet, compared to Yemen which is both Bantu and Ethio influenced it has many more people who look more that way compared to mixed Yemen (and Saudis, and Bedouins, etc).

I've seen your comments plenty of times but since you appear so avid I thought I'd critique you this time.

[Aware_Dog]

Falsetruth is an idiot.

[EclectYummination]

I meant to mention a few extra things, one of them I can think of right now is E-P2's virtual non-existance outside Ethiopia (except Atlantic Sahelian country Senegal), its extreme rarity.

Who cares about the rest right now, was trying to help him out but maybe later (if he's sincere) he can find that out for himself I guess.

[Boots]

" Your kid could look nothing like you and be an almost exact copy of their other parent! Wouldn't this affect you mentally in at least some ways? I know it would for me. Taking care of them and loving them, I wouldn't have any issues with at all, but taking them out with you, everyone else is going to assume they are adopted, no one is going to recognize us as being related. I'll barely have a physical resemblance with them. That's definitely going to make me wonder if I really could consider them "MINE"."
if you are a woman of any color or it matters not what your "race" is or isn't , you have about a less than 20 % chance your child will look like you anyway.
the child will look like the dad and the dad's mother 80 to 90 % of the time.
so to those most narcissistic of potential mothers, they probably ought not breed/ thus have sex with anyone but themselves , and thus not have kids because they won't look like her anyway. ;P

[Game Theory]

I meant to mention a few extra things, one of them I can think of right now is E-P2's virtual non-existance outside Ethiopia (except Atlantic Sahelian country Senegal), its extreme rarity.

Who cares about the rest right now, was trying to help him out but maybe later (if he's sincere) he can find that out for himself I guess.

Falsetruth was already proven to be an idiot that cuts and pastes BS from RacialReality with little to no understanding of what he posts:

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=463971&postcount=1184


He provided no answers when he got refuted for making the same bogus claims he's making here, he's merely repeating and cutting and pasting the same BS.

[Boots]

wait on second thought if a woman wanted a daughter who was exactly like her. well she could either breed with her dad or find another male exactly the same line as her dad and with the same direct linear mtdna line oh but that would be like breeding with her dad.
now if she is even more narcissistic than that , she is also more likely to find her exactly same male as her dad and but with her very same mtdna line.
now problem with this scenario is her daughters are more likely to be a hermie, which I am totally sure a narcissistic mother to be would not appreciate this either.
well now the sons will be fine though undescended testicles and hernia in those lower regions might be an issue also given that genetic mix.

[WarViking]

My wife will probably be Irish, so my ethnicaly mixed child will probably look like this.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Colleen_Shannon_2008.jpg

No, none of you can date her.

[Eliades]

My wife will probably be Irish, so my ethnicaly mixed child will probably look like this.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Colleen_Shannon_2008.jpg

No, none of you can date her.

You sound very positive, nice man, but you never know you might find the "Right one" that happens to be Greek or something lol.

[JaM]

" Your kid could look nothing like you and be an almost exact copy of their other parent! Wouldn't this affect you mentally in at least some ways? I know it would for me. Taking care of them and loving them, I wouldn't have any issues with at all, but taking them out with you, everyone else is going to assume they are adopted, no one is going to recognize us as being related. I'll barely have a physical resemblance with them. That's definitely going to make me wonder if I really could consider them "MINE"."
if you are a woman of any color or it matters not what your "race" is or isn't , you have about a less than 20 % chance your child will look like you anyway.
the child will look like the dad and the dad's mother 80 to 90 % of the time.
so to those most narcissistic of potential mothers, they probably ought not breed/ thus have sex with anyone but themselves , and thus not have kids because they won't look like her anyway. ;P

Sometimes, when people are mixed from very different parents, they end up looking like neither of them, not more one than the other. Sometimes the kid looks more like the dad when young, and more like the mum when older.
The kid will genetically be half and half, there's no ifs or buts about it, but looks are something we perceive, and thus not an objective measure of anything. A parent will probably always see the other parent in the child.

[Janos]

This guy seem to have inherited his mothers pigmentation and his fathers traits.
The sperm and the egg agreed on creating a strict division.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/8525/dscn5163.jpg

[Game Theory]

Never in one thread has trolling been so pronounced.

[WarViking]

You sound very positive, nice man, but you never know you might find the "Right one" that happens to be Greek or something lol.

...B-b-b-b-b-b but i like the Irish & Olivia Wilde :( and Irish is the most likely to happen since you'll run into them more than Greeks in America.


:lol:

[Falsetruth]

This thread and histeria now thinking about it overlooks Slavs / Russians / North Asia (and Northern East Asia).

The main striking thing that I learned related to this was Germany's in particular and Europe's shrinking in-situ population and lean towards immigration. Other than that, I mean people sometimes randomly mention this thing, but most people who care enough to talk about this over the 'net I saw were White Nationalist.

Which, first coming across this groups net histeria I was stricken (Chris Rock come's to mind "White people: If you're losing, who the hell's winning?" :D).



Actually that's a huge generalization, but not so much for certain ethnic groups like Amhara and Tigray I think.



This can even happen with melanin level, but with that most of the time (half the time) the tone is very close to directly in between that of the parents.



You're deeply confused on this issue and use grossly outdated information from lineal genetics' infancy.

Firstly E is so prevalent in Africa it'd be useless if it had arisen 50,000 years ago just outside the continent, when major out of Africa migration (70-30kya) may still have been happening. Not because its parents may have been African, but because no matter what they are it's been in the continent for just as long, it's overwhelmingly the primary Bantu lineage for instance reaching in West Africa (the exact opposite end of the continent) numbers up to and including 100%.

The only known instance of super-archaic lineage DE* was in Nigeria, I thought (I took this as a remnant as E* aka E-M96 is said to have arisen in NE Africa).

DE and Ct from which it descends both originate 60k plus years ago, which, 60 years ago is the mainline date for the original or first successful (descendants still alive today) "Out-of-Africa" migrations, making them Africans essentially. :D The extents to which you go, boy.

E-P2*, responsible for probably 90% of Africa is Ethiopian (though also found in Senegal, West Africa), so if they're mixed so is 90% of Africa (Africa x the "bushmen" :D basically) from the male side at least.

To help you out I think you're best bet for non-African E lineages are some of the clades descended from M78 (E1b1b1a1, I think), or somewhere near on the E phylogeny.

Also, phenotype isn't decided by a random mutation we call a marker occuring on a Y-chromosome, nor by Mitochondrial DNA. :D There are actual genes that determine how you look. :D LOL

Your son's son's son's son and so on will carry the exact same marker as yourself, so as you see it doesn't track the rest of the input into his genome, let alone directly affect phenotype in the first place. In Ethiopia for instance there is no Bantu influence, and yet, compared to Yemen which is both Bantu and Ethio influenced it has many more people who look more that way compared to mixed Yemen (and Saudis, and Bedouins, etc).

I've seen your comments plenty of times but since you appear so avid I thought I'd critique you this time.

E has an early origin yes, but youre way of with the OOA migration, it happened at the earliest 100 000 years ago, because of the many skeletal remains they have found in euroasia, never mind the fact that they have found relatively modern tools used by the population in southeast asia before the toba eruption.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/early-expansion-of-humans-into-arabia.html

and the E subclades which 90% of africans have are much more recent compared to E* (E* has only been found in a handful of africans and a few euroasians )and most of them spread with the bantu expansions as recent as 4000 years ago.

i wouldnt be surprised if most of the lineages before the bantu expansion was A and B in those particular populations.however the euroasian E haplogroups in those populations would be heavily "blackwashed" so you are right in that it wouldnt affect their phenotype much if at all, but the dna is still there so it could pop out every now and then, which could explain why you see some individuals that dont look anything like their fellow tribesmen.

and yeah the reason im arguing so avidly is because some morons on these forums try to pretend like north africans originally where black or something which isnt true at all. and further they believe that mtdna groups would for some out of this world reason migrate into africa without a y dna counterpart, which makes no sense.

the main point of my argument which really cannot be argued is that E most likely originated in a population that was more Euroasian adapted compared to african, so they would not have looked black, and that also ties into the ancient egyptians who would never have been black but definitely mixed with black people like nubians.

and i already proved that the modern phenotype of east africans cannot be representative for the OOA migrators and neither for the ancient egyptians, mainly because they have negroid ancetsry that they didnt have at the time of OOA, so its obvious that they are mixed and that it heavily affected their phenotype.

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Falsetruth is an idiot.

sorry but "Aware _Dog" isnt spelled "Falsetruth", try again, idiot :lol:

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Falsetruth was already proven to be an idiot that cuts and pastes BS from RacialReality with little to no understanding of what he posts:

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=463971&postcount=1184


He provided no answers when he got refuted for making the same bogus claims he's making here, he's merely repeating and cutting and pasting the same BS.

its not bs, its facts, i copy and paste for convenience and the one who doesnt know how to interpret it is you, so gtfo :whoco:

[Game Theory]

E has an early origin yes, but youre way of with the OOA migration, it happened at the earliest 100 000 years ago, because of the many skeletal remains they have found in euroasia, never mind the fact that they have found relatively modern tools used by the population in southeast asia before the toba eruption.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/01/early-expansion-of-humans-into-arabia.html

and the E subclades which 90% of africans have are much more recent compared to E* (E* has only been found in a handful of africans and a few euroasians )and most of them spread with the bantu expansions as recent as 4000 years ago.

i wouldnt be surprised if most of the lineages before the bantu expansion was A and B in those particular populations.however the euroasian E haplogroups in those populations would be heavily "blackwashed" so you are right in that it wouldnt affect their phenotype much if at all, but the dna is still there so it could pop out every now and then, which could explain why you see some individuals that dont look anything like their fellow tribesmen.

and yeah the reason im arguing so avidly is because some morons on these forums try to pretend like north africans originally where black or something which isnt true at all. and further they believe that mtdna groups would for some out of this world reason migrate into africa without a y dna counterpart, which makes no sense.

the main point of my argument which really cannot be argued is that E most likely originated in a population that was more Euroasian adapted compared to african, so they would not have looked black, and that also ties into the ancient egyptians who would never have been black but definitely mixed with black people like nubians.

and i already proved that the modern phenotype of east africans cannot be representative for the OOA migrators and neither for the ancient egyptians, mainly because they have negroid ancetsry that they didnt have at the time of OOA, so its obvious that they are mixed and that it heavily affected their phenotype.

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sorry but "Aware _Dog" isnt spelled "Falsetruth", try again, idiot :lol:

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its not bs, its facts, i copy and paste for convenience and the one who doesnt know how to interpret it is you, so gtfo :whoco:

Monkey quit trolling multiple threads making the same bogus arguments without providing evidence.

[Dave]

well I think with Latinos and any race this can't really happen because a latin americans have traits from various races usually.

But I can see how someone Chinese would feel like that if they had kids with a an African since they are so different, but I still think there is something built in to mothers that always keeps them connected to their children.

[Debian]

The same could be said, most white americans are so intermixed that they do not resemple europeans back in their respective countries, Im always able to spot white americans everywhere.

So from an american view you can say interracial children might end up looking nothing like the white parents, at the same time I could add that Extremelly ethnic mixed americans end up looking like they come from nowhere.

Most mixed people look like an intermediate, Its just the one drop rule which seems to have stayed permanently in the colonialist minds. Lets no forget a person like obama or tiger woods who are mixed and are usually lumped up as blacks. Its funny that black admixture is often the one which is the easier to self-identify with, even if you are 1/8 black, and then would come the asian blood. But if some latin-american or caucasian mixed person from other areas being 3/4 caucasian/european would dare to self identify with his caucasian/european side, he would be automatically blamed as self-hater. It seems that racial self-identification standards have evolved to consider the caucasian/european label as the supreme one, a sort of priviledge to be considered as such.

[Eliades]

...B-b-b-b-b-b but i like the Irish & Olivia Wilde :( and Irish is the most likely to happen since you'll run into them more than Greeks in America.


:lol:

Olivia Wilde is amazing looking for sure, is she Irish though? But yeah I don't blame ya for liking Irish girls they're common and usually hot (in the U.S. at least). A few of my GF's have been pred. Irish.

And, hypothetically, let's use a less common example, how about a Danish or German girl? lol.


The same could be said, most white americans are so intermixed that they do not resemple europeans back in their respective countries, Im always able to spot white americans everywhere.

.

Not really, I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell I'm a Euro American if I walked the streets of Moscow for example, that is if I was dressed similar to how they would.

[Debian]

Olivia Wilde is amazing looking for sure, is she Irish though? But yeah I don't blame ya for liking Irish girls they're common and usually hot (in the U.S. at least). A few of my GF's have been pred. Irish.

And, hypothetically, let's use a less common example, how about a Danish or German girl? lol.



Not really, I guarantee you wouldn't be able to tell I'm a Euro American if I walked the streets of Moscow for example, that is if I was dressed similar to how they would.


I didnt tell all white americans, but most do certainly look different than native europeans :P

[Eliades]

I didnt tell all white americans, but most do certainly look different than native europeans :P

Ok, you do have a point some can look very distinct, and can be hard to classify.

[Alamchop]

You're thinking that that Asian/Black genes dominate because you are coming from a white perspective when mixed children are actually an racial intermediate of both parents. The facial features, skin tone, and hair are always intermediate between mixed black/white/asian children, unless its multigenerationally mixed people like me where one child could be fully white looking , and the other child would look more black or latino.

Jon, i agree with you, what looks mixed and what is dominant is always varied, yet at average the mixed offspring always is intermediate. Cultural perspective applies to which race is dominate in appearance. Since a great deal of people are coming with a western perspective (and most westerners are considered "white" and are the majority,) then they will say the non-white gene is dominated. In other countries with a different majority pop, then they would believe the non native gene is dominated. Ex. is china. The majority population is Han chinese. Any non-han blood is easily spotted as the chinese are not used to seeing non-hans similar to how those with western influences are not use to seeing non whites. So for anyone, especially chinese with white blood in them, the chinese think they are 100% white regardless of percentage. They would nowhere think they would have chinese blood in them, heck they may think your a uyghur (who the chinese classify as white (even if they have some mongol in them)).

Chinasmack.com is a great example of this. in the article called "chinese encouraged to emigrate to defeat foreigners", one chinese in the comments asks "Why don’t mixed blood children have Asian traits? ...." refering to the chinese guy having kids with a british girl. One in the west may say about the gossilin family "why do the kids look so asian" Just like westerners say white genes are recessive, the chinese say asian genes are recessive.

in the ""diaspora"" section on chinasmack, the half chinese half white people from the west are so surprised that the chinese think they are white and cant see they have chinese blood in them, contrast to when they are in western countries and and are classified as asian. Heck there is a FULL CHINESE person who visited china and they thought she was a uyghur foreigner,aka "white" The west has a öne drop rule, but China has a 0 drop rule.
in article "half chinese half irish..." the mixed women notes For the most part, living in China hasn’t simplified things much. Here, I’m never asked that age-old question simply because it’s assumed that I am “white.” Mention of my Chinese half usually results in shock waves and utter disbelief. “No! But you’re SO white!” True, my current pallor does demand that a role in “Twilight” receive some thought. But it’s not the lack of melatonin to which my new neighbors refer.


http://www.chinasmack.com/2009/stories/chinese-encouraged-emigrate-defeat-foreigners.html (this is the defeat foreigner article which has the half chinese half white kids)

http://diaspora.chinasmack.com/2011/usa/misha-barbour-half-chinese-half-irish-not-quite-banana.html (article with half irish half chinese lady)

http://diaspora.chinasmack.com/2011/australia/max-roberts-shrugging-my-shoulders-giving-non-committal-answers.html (mixed guy who a uyghur mistaked for own) I even had a Uyghur kid come up to me in the street once in downtown Shanghai and start chatting away in what I assume was Uyghur language. So yes, I’ve heard it all.

http://diaspora.chinasmack.com/2011/australia/fake-goods-an-australian-born-chinese-in-china.html (Chinese women who is pure blooded thought to be uyghur)

[Boots]

My wife will probably be Irish, so my ethnicaly mixed child will probably look like this.


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Colleen_Shannon_2008.jpg

No, none of you can date her.

I was talking to the lady started this thread about how kids should look like a mother.

as far as your ideal woman, well that one isn't very far from a non white as you might think she is . Now that there is an irish brown bear under those white hairs... you just might have some honkin big brown babies with that one.
if your racest you best run from that irish brown bear because she got some of them old ambiguous genes! :thumbsup:

[Wickedgirl]

I didnt tell all white americans, but most do certainly look different than native europeans :P

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

...yeah didn't think so ;)

[Falsetruth]

Monkey quit trolling multiple threads making the same bogus arguments without providing evidence.

why dont you stay down and be quiet, bitch? i have posted evidence in the previous thread, and none of you can provide a more logical explanation anyway:whoco:

[WarViking]

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

...yeah didn't think so ;)

I wouldn't think so. Both us & Brazil dominate in terms of active models. D&G, Armani, all these big name fashion corp campaigns are usualy filled with a bunch of Americans & Brazilians :lol: USA! USA! USA!


Edit: Also, Yes Eliades, Olivia Wilde is Irish :P.

[Boots]

no the father dna type is dominant

[Papa Anodyne]

Boots is the new Synop.

[WarViking]

Who is Synop?

Oh yeah, Eliades i agree with you completely. I think our Irish tend to averagly look better than those in Ireland. Idunno when it comes to the British isles i don't really get attracted too them that much. I guess it has a lot to do with the fact our Irish will often take better care of themselves and have warm tans not being extremely pale? Same goes for Australians. I'd become attracted to an Australian before someone actualy from the British isles.

[EclectYummination]

i have posted evidence in the previous thread, and none of you can provide a more logical explanation anyway:whoco:

By the way, noticed your 100,000 ya date for the O.O.A. migrations -- I was speaking interms of the first successful advent, there are virtually (and probably really) no modern Eurasian genes dating back to those times that are modern human (so, besides Neanderthal).

[Wickedgirl]

if you are a woman of any color or it matters not what your "race" is or isn't , you have about a less than 20 % chance your child will look like you anyway.
the child will look like the dad and the dad's mother 80 to 90 % of the time.
so to those most narcissistic of potential mothers, they probably ought not breed/ thus have sex with anyone but themselves , and thus not have kids because they won't look like her anyway. ;P
I didn't literally mean I wanted my child to look just like me, not at all and if you actually read what I said youd know that. I would actually want them to look more like the father especially if they're a boy. What I meant is I wanted there to be a resemblance and I would want people to know that we're related just by looking at us and not ever think they were adopted. If you've seen pictures of what mulattoes or half white half asians look like on average then you'd pretty much get what I was saying. They rarely look like the white parent and you can't always tell they're related to them.

[Yautja_BR]

People often give too much importance to the most futile stuffs.. just sayin..

[Wickedgirl]

I don't think wanting your child to look recognizable to you is unimportant :whoco: It might even be a part of human biology, it would be interesting to hear about that.

[alfieb]

I imagine if someone were repulsed by their own appearance, or were raped by their father, or something like that, they may want their child to look like someone else... but for normal people, I'd imagine that's something people would prefer... and something they would be proud of.

"S/he looks just like you!"

"I know." (beaming from ear to ear)

[Yautja_BR]

I don't think wanting your child to look recognizable to you is unimportant :whoco: It might even be a part of human biology, it would be interesting to hear about that.


It is to you now because you don't have a kid yet.. but after you have your own child you will see that there are much more important things for you to worry about than if your child looks more like you or like your husband (in case he is not white or fully white)..

That said, some day you will laugh about it and realize that having your children and carefully raising them will make all the difference, not how they look..

[Wickedgirl]

It is to you now because you don't have a kid yet.. but after you have your own child you will see that there are much more important things for you to worry about than if your child looks more like you or like your husband (in case he is not white or fully white)..That said, some day you will laugh about it and realize that having your children and carefully raising them will make all the difference, not how they look..

How your kid looks matters to most parents. Most parents want their kids to look healthy, clean and good looking and whatnot. Most parents want people to say "she looks a lot like you" or "he looks a lot like his father" but if the child only resembles one parent while looking nothing like the other one then I'd think that was pretty lame. I don't want people to think they were adopted...I want people to know that I'm their mom and I wouldn't want that to be in doubt.

[Yautja_BR]

How your kid looks matters to most parents. Most parents want their kids to look healthy, clean and good looking and whatnot. Most parents want people to say "she looks a lot like you" or "he looks a lot like his father" but if the child only resembles one parent while looking nothing like the other one then I'd think that was pretty lame. I don't want people to think they were adopted...I want people to know that I'm their mom and I wouldn't want that to be in doubt.


Everytime I see mixed children I can see they look like their parents, one perhaps more than the other, but I can say they're their children. There is no "nothing like the other". When it is not visible in looks, can be visible in manners and some nuances.

Having something from your parent encompasses much more things than just "the look".


I find your "healthy and good looking argument fair enough", we want the best for our children.


To have doubt that a kid that came up from your belly is not yours, even if doesn't look like you, shows some insecurity, but after wandering through these boards here for some time, I believe it is quite common.

[Wickedgirl]

Everytime I see mixed children I can see they look like their parents, one perhaps more than the other, but I can say they're their children. There is no "nothing like the other". Whenit is not visible in looks, can be visible in manners and some nuances.

I find the healthy and good looking argument fair enough, we want the best for our children.

To have doubt that a kid that came up from your belly is not yours, even if doesn't look like you,

I never said that I wouldn't think the child was mine. I meant that I didn't want it to be doubtful in other people's heads and yes, I don't know if I'd feel as strong a connection to a kid that looked like they were adopted to one that looked more like me.


shows some insecurity, but after wandering through these boards here, I believe it is quite common. :lol:

Insecurity? you're kinda misusing the term here. Isn't your kid mixed race? Maybe that's why you're being so biased and not able to understand my feelings. Different things are important to different people.

[larali]

I tend to agree with Y-BR here, as a mom I'm more concerned with being able to provide them with the best resources and opportunities for health and success than what they look like. In fact I hope to adopt someday and I don't care a bit what race, color or whatever they are. I just love being a mom and my reason for living is to bring up the next generation. My bio kids don't look anything like me, which is probably a good thing. ;) But to each his own....

[alfieb]

In fact I hope to adopt someday and I don't care a bit what race, color or whatever they are. I just love being a mom and my reason for living is to bring up the next generation.
Admirable, but not the majority viewpoint anywhere in the world.

[amerinese]

I have heard this story from family and old family friends, although I don't recall it myself. I was very young, probably around 3 years old, maybe 4 max.

My Japanese grandmother took me to a store not far from her house. I don't remember what it was then, but now it's a Walgreens.

Anyway, when it was time to check out and leave, there was some toy or candy I wanted, and she didn't agree to buy it for me, so I threw a fit. She grabbed me and started to drag me out of the store. I shouted at her "you're not my grandma!" I doubt if this was my intent, but what happened next was the store manager and a security guard intervened and refused to let her take me from the store. What they must have seen is a pissed off older Asian woman trying to drag a little blonde haired white kid out of the store against his will. They had to call my mom and have her come to straighten out the situation.

[Yautja_BR]

I never said that I wouldn't think the child was mine. I meant that I didn't want it to be doubtful in other people's heads and yes, I don't know if I'd feel as strong a connection to a kid that looked like they were adopted to one that looked more like me.

WG, you shouldn't care about what other persons will say or think. Believe me, you will feel connected. When you become a mother, you will know the feeling and I sincerely wish you good luck and good vibes of happiness when the time comes.:)



Insecurity? you're kinda misusing the term here. Isn't your kid mixed race? Maybe that's why you're being so biased and not able to understand my feelings. Different things are important to different people.


Maybe I didn't express myself very well. Yes, my daughter is mixed and she looks more like her mother (the Khan genes won the fight LOL), but when someone look at her will probably see something mine in the most various aspects.

No, I'm not being biased, just cool about it. If I have another kid (and I hope I'll have) this child will look nothing like my daughter (no Asian look) but I will NEVER feel more connected to this second child more than I feel with my daughter, they will both be my kids.


I understand your points, although I don't necessarily agree with all of them, your concerns are valid but, with time, you'll see that they are transitory.


Regards.

[Helios]

Many of you are discounting natural instincts. The desire for your child to look more similar to yourself is completely normal and it's no secret that most share this desire, especially men I would say. It's an intricate part of our natural instincts and it was quite helpful in the past. Until recently, paternity tests were non-existent and if you were a man there was no way of truly knowing if your offspring indeed belonged to you. The only true option available was to guesstimate accurately based on appearance especially as they grew older. It was extremely important to know for sure. Why in the world would any man risk the possibility of raising another man's offspring? We want to use our energy raising our own, not bastards. If this was the wild and I had an offspring which looked very different to myself, I would abandon them. Animals use scent to recognize their young, we humans use sight. The desire for your children to look similar to you is 100% natural.

I was not making an argument for either side and indeed you could make the case that now we have paternity tests and so on yet that still doesn't discount history and what made us this way. I was simply shedding some light on the natural aspect and why those of you who tell Wickie that the way she feels is strange are wrong because mothers also bond with children based on many things including appearance.

[Eliades]

I wouldn't think so. Both us & Brazil dominate in terms of active models. D&G, Armani, all these big name fashion corp campaigns are usualy filled with a bunch of Americans & Brazilians :lol: USA! USA! USA!


Edit: Also, Yes Eliades, Olivia Wilde is Irish :P.

Ya, we do dominate in all of that, and despite all of this I love how Europeans always try to claim we're all ugly and fat.


Who is Synop?

Oh yeah, Eliades i agree with you completely. I think our Irish tend to averagly look better than those in Ireland. Idunno when it comes to the British isles i don't really get attracted too them that much. I guess it has a lot to do with the fact our Irish will often take better care of themselves and have warm tans not being extremely pale? Same goes for Australians. I'd become attracted to an Australian before someone actualy from the British isles.

Our English are the same way too, they look better here than over there, because it's also a stereotype that British Islander women aren't that great looking for whatever reason. Maybe it's the weather or hygiene over there.


I don't think wanting your child to look recognizable to you is unimportant :whoco: It might even be a part of human biology, it would be interesting to hear about that.

It is important, although I'll admit that I want at least my daughter to look like my wife, and maybe my son look like me.

[Particula]

http://themilwaukeedrum.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/interacial.jpg?w=400&h=299
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4BuxZ7flAIw/TiOvHrHD1mI/AAAAAAAAAFA/1qyqlzWZmEM/s1600/biracial-family%255B1%255D.jpg
I wonder If these men can feel like they're their real daughters

[Asce]

http://themilwaukeedrum.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/interacial.jpg?w=400&h=299
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4BuxZ7flAIw/TiOvHrHD1mI/AAAAAAAAAFA/1qyqlzWZmEM/s1600/biracial-family%255B1%255D.jpg
I wonder If these men can feel like they're their real daughters

Yeah, why not? One they're too young for classification, features change. And two for the most part they appear pretty intermediate (especially the half Asian girl).

Some more examples,

Joey Ansah (http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2007/07/31/previews/Joey%20Ansah-SGG-073182.jpg) (plays a Moroccan assassin in the Bourne Ultimatum)

Garcelle Beauvais' kids (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yy4Chdn0V7E/Sd-jOTIy7tI/AAAAAAAADWI/qq9hTBaXHBY/s400/garcelle_beauvais.jpg) (half afro-Haitian/half euro-American)

Kevin Boateng (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_g0oXDAkQ-SU/TBGO0CxzbiI/AAAAAAAAAC4/XYLFd93XSzI/s1600/kevin+prince+boateng.jpg) (half German/half Ghanaian)

Booba (http://www.corporatemp3.fr/maciek/booba3.jpg) (half Moroccan/half Senegalese)

Anthony Kwarasey (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NJj1gS1wEqs/S9clW9czQsI/AAAAAAAAFaQ/yxHsTbZqAJg/s1600/Adam_Larsen_Kwarasey_b.jpg) (half Ghanaian/half Norwegian)

Anthony Ogogo (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fTT9xlgZ9CU/SQc4Y3-aaPI/AAAAAAAAOr0/6AASOhiyLlE/s400/AnthonyOgogo2.jpg) (half British/half Nigerian)

Sade (http://www.sweetslyrics.com/images/img_gal/12738_sade%2027.jpg) (half British/half Nigerian)

Son of a family friend (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/mixedkid.png) (half Congolese/half Moroccan)

Honestly, none of these individuals could fit in sub-Saharan Africa (or even Haiti, in the case of Beauvais' kids). To say they look more sub-Saharan is beyond bullshit. Have I seen some kids that looked like they could've been more than 50% black (yet were mulatto). Yes. But it honestly goes both ways.

And the posters will note that in a majority of the cases above, the examples had sub-Saharan fathers (except for Beauvais' kids and the half MO/half CONG kid).

Can't believe we're still having this discussion? Mixes usually come out intermediate, and rarely more of one parent.

[Maroon King]

Can't believe this kid got a Congolese parent, he looks like these near white Cubans round here in MIA

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/mixedkid.png

[jibarodepr]

Can't believe this kid got a Congolese parent, he looks like these near white Cubans round here in MIA

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/mixedkid.pngLook his nose and eyes, it give him the non-euro input.

---------- Post added 2011-08-16 at 15:29 ----------


http://themilwaukeedrum.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/interacial.jpg?w=400&h=299
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4BuxZ7flAIw/TiOvHrHD1mI/AAAAAAAAAFA/1qyqlzWZmEM/s1600/biracial-family%255B1%255D.jpg
I wonder If these men can feel like they're their real daughtersYes, they do, your offspring don't have to be your clone.

[Asce]

Can't believe this kid got a Congolese parent, he looks like these near white Cubans round here in MIA

Lol, that kid doesn't look white. TRUST ME. :lol: But he seriously doesn't look black either. He actually, just looks Moroccan. :p

His sister (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/Mixedkid2.png) is much darker. But they don't really count as much, because their father is Bidawi and he very likely has some sub-Saharan ancestry as well.

[Maroon King]

Look his nose and eyes, it give him the non-euro input.[COLOR="Silver"]



I know that, but he looks like an Elian Gonzalez.

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Lol, that kid doesn't look white. TRUST ME. :lol: But he seriously doesn't look black either. He actually, just looks Moroccan. :p

His sister (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/Mixedkid2.png) is much darker. But they don't really count as much, because they're father is Bidawi and he very likely has some sub-Saharan ancestry as well.

Dang this Congolese parent of theirs loves Moroccans huh? that girl is mad cute.

[Yautja_BR]

http://themilwaukeedrum.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/interacial.jpg?w=400&h=299
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4BuxZ7flAIw/TiOvHrHD1mI/AAAAAAAAAFA/1qyqlzWZmEM/s1600/biracial-family%255B1%255D.jpg
I wonder If these men can feel like they're their real daughters


They somewhat look like a mix of both of them.


Don't know why all the fuss..

[Maroon King]

Lol, that kid doesn't look white. TRUST ME. :lol: But he seriously doesn't look black either. He actually, just looks Moroccan. :p


He just looks Cuban to me but I'm biased cause I've lived 25 yrs in this place.

[Asce]

He just looks Cuban to me but I'm biased cause I've lived 25 yrs in this place.

And Cubans look like Moroccans. :D

[Maroon King]

And Cubans look like Moroccans. :D

he looks like an octoroon Cuban you know like the ones who swear they're nothing but white in Miami....IDK if you've met these racist !!!!! lemme not start cursing in this piece lol. :p

[Wizdumb]

This has probably been said already, but it bears reapating if so. Classic mulatto traits are associated with "blackness" only because large numbers of people on this side of the world, especially in America, identify as black. Ergo, some of the phenotypes that Americans might call "black-looking" would be described as mixed-looking or possibly even white-looking in other parts of the world.

The whole idea that black features are dominant in half-black people is utter bullshit.

I personally only see "one-sidedness", en masse, among Afro/East Asian mixes. They almost always look 100% Asian in my eyes.

[amerinese]

I personally only see "one-sidedness", en masse, among Afro/East Asian mixes. They almost always look 100% Asian in my eyes.

Really? I can usually see both influences pretty clearly. Like Ben Henderson

http://c442104.r4.cf2.rackcdn.com/2010/12/Ben-Henderson-2076.jpg

[Wickedgirl]

Whatever. The point is, if Kate Moss had kids with 50 Cent the kids would hardly look anything like her and people would definitely think they were adopted.

[timmay]

Is that always a reason not to have kids with someone you love? I mean, I know people would like to see themselves in their kids, but I think other factors would be more important. (I'm not trying to be contrary I'm just curious about this POV)

And it's not always one-sided, sometimes you can see the image of the parents in the kids even if they are mixed race.

[Maroon King]

Whatever. The point is, if Kate Moss had kids with 50 Cent the kids would hardly look anything like her and people would definitely think they were adopted.

Same thing could be said for 50!

[alfieb]

Whatever. The point is, if Kate Moss had kids with 50 Cent the kids would hardly look anything like her and people would definitely think they were adopted.

Case in point.

Seal's children with Heidi Klum:

http://www.modelinia.com/__wordpress__/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/heidi-klum-with-kids.jpg

One looks entirely white, one looks Afram, and one looks mostly black. You wouldn't guess the kid on the left and the kid in the middle were related.

[jonboyclem]

Whatever. The point is, if Kate Moss had kids with 50 Cent the kids would hardly look anything like her and people would definitely think they were adopted.

But the kid wouldn't look like 50 Cent either, they'll probally look ambiguous.

Look at my half-Triracial Puerto Rican daughter. Does she honestly look more Black to you?

[Eliades]

Case in point.

Seal's children with Heidi Klum:

http://www.modelinia.com/__wordpress__/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/heidi-klum-with-kids.jpg

One looks entirely white, one looks Afram, and one looks mostly black. You wouldn't guess the kid on the left and the kid in the middle were related.

I think the father of the Kid in the Middle was some Italian racer.

[Maroon King]

But the kid wouldn't look like 50 Cent either, they'll probally look ambiguous.

Look at my half-Triracial Puerto Rican daughter. Does she honestly look more Black to you?

nope

[alfieb]

I think the father of the Kid in the Middle was some Italian racer.

They still don't look like siblings, even half-siblings.

[Wickedgirl]

But the kid wouldn't look like 50 Cent either, they'll probally look ambiguous.

Look at my half-Triracial Puerto Rican daughter. Does she honestly look more Black to you?

She could still call herself black though. And the kid would be more likely to look like 50 cent because lighter skin is recessive, if the kid is the skin color of one parent and not the other one then that complicates it too. And yes, people would definitely think the kid was adopted if they saw it with Kate but they wouldn't be as likely to assume that if it was with 50 cent (I hate writing that out) because they would have a more similar skin tone.

[takoja]

TBH I would be really pissed off if I could not see the woman I love in my child. I'm not really interested in cloning myself. That would be pretty boring in the long run.

[Maroon King]

She could still call herself black though. And the kid would be more likely to look like 50 cent because lighter skin is recessive, if the kid is the skin color of one parent and not the other one then that complicates it too. And yes, people would definitely think the kid was adopted if they saw it with Kate but they wouldn't be as likely to assume that if it was with 50 cent (I hate writing that out) because they would have a more similar skin tone.

I don't agree Wickedgirl, I think you think this way because of your lack of experience with Black people. My son's mother and myself are both of African descent, but I'm mixed and she's dark skinned. Black people always tell her our son looks nothing like her. In Jamaica, her own family asks her, Hey where you get INDIAN BABY from!? They don't think he is hers despite him having dark skin.

[jonboyclem]

She could still call herself black though. And the kid would be more likely to look like 50 cent because lighter skin is recessive, if the kid is the skin color of one parent and not the other one then that complicates it too. And yes, people would definitely think the kid was adopted if they saw it with Kate but they wouldn't be as likely to assume that if it was with 50 cent (I hate writing that out) because they would have a more similar skin tone.

That's a One Drop Rule way of thinking:ashamed:Most mainstream Aframs would think she's mixed because she doesn't show much visible SSA influence except for her hair and is ambigious looking. Most of my fam think she's "Latino" looking and looks very little like me. She doesn't look White nor Black.

50 Cent looks SSA, but if he had a child with Kate Moss. It could come out mostly White looking like Garcelle Beauvais sons, Lolo Jones, or Quincy Jones. You can't judge a book by its cover. 50 Cent has a little bit of Massa's genes in him.

[Wickedgirl]

I don't agree Wickedgirl, I think you think this way because of your lack of experience with Black people. My son's mother and myself are both of African descent, but I'm mixed and she's dark skinned. Black people always tell her our son looks nothing like her. In Jamaica, her own family asks her, Hey where you get INDIAN BABY from!? They don't think he is hers despite him having dark skin.

Okay, then does the child not looking like either parent somehow make it better? Even if the child didn't look like either parent that wouldn't solve anything, people would still think it was adopted and would be less likely to see them in their parents.

[Maroon King]

Okay, then does the child not looking like either parent somehow make it better? Even if the child didn't look like either parent that wouldn't solve anything, people would still think it was adopted and would be less likely to see them in their parents.

People say he looks more like me but I think he looks like both of us.

[Debian]

I think the father of the Kid in the Middle was some Italian racer.

Yes, An old Italian man named Flavio Briatore, manager of some race team in F1

[gotibus]

OP should move to Stormfront instead of endlessly whining about mixed children who don't look 100% "white" :)

[El Andullero]

Okay, then does the child not looking like either parent somehow make it better? Even if the child didn't look like either parent that wouldn't solve anything, people would still think it was adopted and would be less likely to see them in their parents.

Why care about what other people think in the first place? If there's a lesson I have learned (painfully) on this life, is that if you go around trying to please everybody you will end up pleasing nobody at the end of the day, so please, spare yourself the trouble.

[Wickedgirl]

OP should move to Stormfront instead of endlessly whining about mixed children who don't look 100% "white" :)

You're a total moron with insecurity issues. discussing stuff like this is what this site was made for apparently? :whoco:

[Eliades]

OP should move to Stormfront instead of endlessly whining about mixed children who don't look 100% "white" :)

She isn't racist, just because she's pointing out something she noticed.

[Maroon King]

@Wickedgirl

Perspectives will vary from individual to individual. When my lady met me and saw my parents she called me a jacket jokingly, which in Jamaican Patois means I am someone else's child....and both my parents are/were mixed-race themselves so it wasn't like they were two opposite extremes.

[Wickedgirl]

Why care about what other people think in the first place? If there's a lesson I have learned (painfully) on this life, is that if you go around trying to please everybody you will end up pleasing nobody at the end of the day, so please, spare yourself the trouble.

I know what you mean but not caring about what other people think is easier said than done when it comes to things like this.

[Maroon King]

I know what you mean but not caring about what other people think is easier said than done when it comes to things like this.

Well everyone is going to see/think of mixed people differently, it comes with the territory.

[Asce]

Really? I can usually see both influences pretty clearly. Like Ben Henderson

Ben Henderson looks very Micronesian/Polynesian (e.g., Samoan) though. I remember when Will Demps (http://sweetsoundsverse.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/will-demps-5.jpg) was posted on an older board back in the day, everybody thought he was Samoan.

Another example is Fresh Kid Ice (http://a2.l3-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/29/7bdc76331dc14d35bd39d2508690b959/l.jpg), who looks almost 100% chinese, except for the darker-than-average complexion, and kinky hair.


Whatever. The point is, if Kate Moss had kids with 50 Cent the kids would hardly look anything like her and people would definitely think they were adopted.

They don't look more like the black parent. Because the skin tone, and for the most part, features are much more intermediate.

Ain't no way anybody would think Obama's brother (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2009/11/16/091116123223_obama_brother_466.jpg) was 100% black, nor 100% white. Anybody with half a fuckin brain can tell Obama's brother is either somewhat mixed or straight-up half (which he is).


She could still call herself black though...

In this day and age? Fuck no. jbc's daughter looks WAY less mixed than my son (and ain't nobody would ever call him full 100% black in my hood). She looks straight up DR/PR/Moroccan. Nobody considers any of those groups black for the most part.

[gotibus]

She isn't racist, just because she's pointing out something she noticed.

yeah, she noticed that child of a white/non-white couple doesn't automatically look white, impressive

are we here just to state the obvious ?

[El Andullero]

I know what you mean but not caring about what other people think is easier said than done when it comes to things like this.

Yeah, it takes a lot to get used to it, trust me, but once one is firmly set on this path, it can be quite liberating.

[Wickedgirl]

yeah, she noticed that child of a white/non-white couple doesn't automatically look white, impressive

are we here just to state the obvious ?

I made this topic like 8 months ago and I honestly forgot about it until someone posted on it and brought it back up. I really tried my best not to sound like a racist or whatever when I wrote this and it really makes me angry that people are accusing me of being one because of this. you're a moron.

[Maroon King]

then there's also cases of African Americans and European Americans making babies and they coming out looking passable white European like this guy

http://images.wikia.com/prisonbreak/images/f/fd/WMiller_1.jpg

[Wizdumb]

Really? I can usually see both influences pretty clearly. Like Ben Henderson

http://c442104.r4.cf2.rackcdn.com/2010/12/Ben-Henderson-2076.jpg

By 100% Asian, I specifically meant Cambodian, Laotian or Thai. Some Afro/East Asian mixes also look Polynesian, like the guy in that picture. In passing on the street, I would never presume him to be part black.

However, I don't see Asian dominance in White/East Asian mixes quite as often.

[Eliades]

yeah, she noticed that child of a white/non-white couple doesn't automatically look white, impressive

are we here just to state the obvious ?

How is noticing a half-nonwhite child as non-white looking racist? It's not like she was saying "I hate them for pro-creating and making a mixed kid." Or something along those lines. Now, that would be racist, what she was saying wasn't.

[jonboyclem]

then there's also cases of African Americans and European Americans making babies and they coming out looking passable white European like this guy

http://images.wikia.com/prisonbreak/images/f/fd/WMiller_1.jpg

And Rashida Jones. Yet by Wickedgirl's thinking, looks more Black than White.

[Wickedgirl]

And Rashida Jones. Yet by Wickedgirl's thinking, looks more Black than White.

I didn't say they all do. But most of the time they do look more black than white.

[Asce]

I didn't say they all do. But most of the time they do look more black than white.

And the majority of people in this thread told you they don't (look more of one parent than the other usually).

[Maroon King]

I didn't say they all do. But most of the time they do look more black than white.

I don't know about that, there are parents who are both Black and produce European looking children! Because they have that in their genes. It's hit or miss Wickedgirl, I do not agree it's most the time. I think I am pretty credible on this subject being that my family has been mixed for generations and if you don't believe me ask any of the other posters of mixed heritage on here, there are plenty like Macorisano, Andullero, Asce, Lemba, Laksmi, JBC, PGBK87, Jibaro, etc.

[jonboyclem]

I didn't say they all do. But most of the time they do look more black than white.

Fair enough. The One Drop Rule of Blackness still clouds alot of White Americans judgement.

[Viking]

To be honest, I think the identity factor, rather than the phenotypical, would be more of an issue to individuals mixing with other ethnicities or races. Would you really be comfortable with your own child identifying as something else? Not to mention that mixed children sometimes can have problems with even identifying as something at all...

I am ethnically mixed myself, and it of course doesn't matter on the phenotypical factor, as I don't differ from the phenotypical norms for neither of my backgrounds. But my mother has issues with me not identifying with her ethnicity ("you should not forget your roots" and all that) and not being able to speak her language. Well, she never spoke her language to me and it's very hard to learn after puberty (plus that I don't live in a region where it is spoken), so it was kind of her own fault.

[Wickedgirl]

fair enough...since people are so intent on making it seem like there's something wrong with me :whoco:

[amerinese]

By 100% Asian, I specifically meant Cambodian, Laotian or Thai. Some Afro/East Asian mixes also look Polynesian, like the guy in that picture. In passing on the street, I would never presume him to be part black.

However, I don't see Asian dominance in White/East Asian mixes quite as often.

Yes, East Asian / African mixes do often come out with a pseudo-Polynesian look.

Your early comment I interpreted to mean that a Korean / Afram mix like Henderson would normally come out looking mostly Korean.

If I saw him on the street, I probably wouldn't assume him to be Polynesian, although he has some of the features, like skin color, hair texture, maybe eyes.

One thing that is different is if you look at Samoans (for example), they often have a particular shape of mouth, and Henderson doesn't have it. Another thing is they normally have a large body frame, and he doesn't have that either. He is 5 feet 9 inches and fights at 155 lbs. So with some thought, my conclusion would probably be some kind of East Asian / African mix.

http://polynesia.com/newsletters/may-2006%20images/kap.jpg

http://www.donparrish.com/images/Pacific2008SamoanDancers.jpg

[Maroon King]

Yes, East Asian / African mixes do often come out with a pseudo-Polynesian look.

Your early comment I interpreted to mean that a Korean / Afram mix like Henderson would normally come out looking mostly Korean.

If I saw him on the street, I probably wouldn't assume him to be Polynesian, although he has some of the features, like skin color, hair texture, maybe eyes.

One thing that is different is if you look at Samoans (for example), they often have a particular shape of mouth, and Henderson doesn't have it. Another thing is they normally have a large body frame, and he doesn't have that either. He is 5 feet 9 inches and fights at 155 lbs. So with some thought, my conclusion would probably be some kind of East Asian / African mix.

http://polynesia.com/newsletters/may-2006%20images/kap.jpg

http://www.donparrish.com/images/Pacific2008SamoanDancers.jpg

There goes my Polynesian cousins, cousins not by blood, but by phenotype :p

[Wizdumb]

Yes, East Asian / African mixes do often come out with a pseudo-Polynesian look.

Your early comment I interpreted to mean that a Korean / Afram mix like Henderson would normally come out looking mostly Korean.

If I saw him on the street, I probably wouldn't assume him to be Polynesian, although he has some of the features, like skin color, hair texture, maybe eyes.

One thing that is different is if you look at Samoans (for example), they often have a particular shape of mouth, and Henderson doesn't have it. Another thing is they normally have a large body frame, and he doesn't have that either. He is 5 feet 9 inches and fights at 155 lbs. So with some thought, my conclusion would probably be some kind of East Asian / African mix.

I dunno.

With respect to race, I'm somewhat of an abstractionist. I don't usually notice details like that. But yeah, I wasn't talking about Japanese, Chinese or Korean. I don't think I've seen a blasian who could pass for one of those nationalities. Cambodian, Laotian or Thai? Yes.

Kimora Lee Simmons, in my eyes, looks like she could be from one of those countries.

[jonboyclem]

I dunno.

With respect to race, I'm somewhat of an abstractionist. I don't usually notice details like that. But yeah, I wasn't talking about Japanese, Chinese or Korean. I don't think I've seen a blasian who could pass for one of those nationalities. Cambodian, Laotian or Thai? Yes.

Kimora Lee Simmons, in my eyes, looks like she could be from one of those countries.

Black-Filipino mixes IMO, look alot more on the Black side. Like these Black-Filipinos could pass for native SSA's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjknp3Vaymw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mc7ykXPr54&feature=watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKyf7tbkikg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXwM21Okbpc&feature=related

[EiCibaeño]

I think I am pretty credible on this subject being that my family has been mixed for generations and if you don't believe me ask any of the other posters of mixed heritage on here, there are plenty like Macorisano, Andullero, Asce, Lemba, Laksmi, JBC, PGBK87, Jibaro, etc.

I don't get to be part of the "posters of mixed heritage (who don't look black)" club?:sadcry:


Ain't no way anybody would think Obama's brother (http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/assets/images/2009/11/16/091116123223_obama_brother_466.jpg) was 100% black, nor 100% white. Anybody with half a fuckin brain can tell Obama's brother is either somewhat mixed or straight-up half (which he is).

Or Obama HIMSELF looks really intermediate possibly even leaning towards his mother's facial structure (plus very light compared to his father and much less coiled hair).

[Maroon King]

I don't get to be part of the "posters of mixed heritage (who don't look black)" club?:sadcry:



No offense, You too, it was just a spur of the moment thing, names that came to mind first.

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Black-Filipino mixes IMO, look alot more on the Black side. Like these Black-Filipinos could pass for native SSA's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjknp3Vaymw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mc7ykXPr54&feature=watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKyf7tbkikg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXwM21Okbpc&feature=related

Well among Black people and Black perspectives...like me for example I'd know they're mixed.

[EiCibaeño]

No offense, You too, it was just a spur of the moment thing, names that came to mind first.

lol I was just messing around.

With MGMs it's different though, we get so many recombinations throughout the generations that you can swing every which way within one generation. Plus a lot of those people listed are predominately Euro genetically. FGMs are intermediates, with rare lop sided ones.

I heard it best described as the difference between shuffling two different colored decks of playing cards together once and then splitting them in half (FGM, you'll get about the same about of both) or shuffling two decks that were already shuffled together and then splitting them (MGM, you might end up with close to all of one color). Hope that all made sense, the other poster on another forum explained it better.

[Maroon King]

lol I was just messing around.

With MGMs it's different though, we get so many recombinations throughout the generations that you can swing every which way within one generation. Plus a lot of those people listed are predominately Euro genetically. FGMs are intermediates, with rare lop sided ones.

I heard it best described as the difference between shuffling two different colored decks of playing cards together once and then splitting them in half (FGM, you'll get about the same about of both) or shuffling two decks that were already shuffled together and then splitting them (MGM, you might end up with close to all of one color). Hope that all made sense, the other poster on another forum explained it better.

That's what I was trying to explain to Wickedgirl.

[Particula]

fair enough...since people are so intent on making it seem like there's something wrong with me :whoco:

don't worry wickedgirl you're not a racist and you're right most of the time children look black especially when the parent is up to 90% black but most members in this forum are always in denial,I don't understand why they don't want to accept things that most people notice,most mulattoes I've seen look black,they don't even look like what we consider mulattoe they just look black they can show us thousands of pics of light skinned mulattoes with white features but that doesn't change the fact the the majority of mulattoes look black or predomonally black,they can show us one thousands of light mulattoes and we can show them one million of black looking mulattoes,that's something they don't want to accept or get,light skinned white featured mulattoes are possible but they aren't the most common thing

Cape Verde the official mulattoe country per exelence(If you want to know how most mulattoes look like)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwpsPBiFatY

[Maroon King]

don't worry wickedgirl you're not a racist and you're right most of the time children look black especially when the parent is up to 90% black but most members in this forum are always in denial,I don't understand why they don't want to accept things that most people notice,most mulattoes I've seen look black,they don't even look like what we consider mulattoe they just look black they can show us thousands of pics of light skinned mulattoes with white features but that doesn't change the fact the the majority of mulattoes look black or predomonally black,they can show us one thousands of light mulattoes and we can show them one million of black looking mulattoes,that's something they don't want to accept or get,light skinned white featured mulattoes are possible but they aren't the most common thing

Cape Verde the official mulattoe country per exelence(If you want to know how most mulattoes look like)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwpsPBiFatY

You need to look at the thread Gavroche did on mixed French girls. He was explaining how those mixed French girls have full African parents from Gabon, Congo, etc and their genes are not as strong as West Africans' genes. Here in the US, no one would suspect those mixed French girls to have a direct African parent. They look like multigenerational mixed Spanish speaking people with distant and minimal African ancestry.

[Particula]

You need to look at the thread Gavroche did on mixed French girls. He was explaining how those mixed French girls have full African parents from Gabon, Congo, etc and their genes are not as strong as West Africans' genes. Here in the US, no one would suspect those mixed French girls to have a direct African parent. They look like multigenerational mixed Spanish speaking people with distant and minimal African ancestry.

even Caine who was just 13% black looked fully black,you have to accept that black genes are very dominant and difficult to dilute and don't be in denial,you won't find someone who looks 100% white or Asian having just 13% of white or asian genes but you have people like caine who are pred white and look African American show me someone who's 90% black and just 10% white and looks 100% white

[EiCibaeño]

even Caine who was just 13% black looked fully black,you have to accept that black genes are very dominant and difficult to dilute and don't be in denial,you won't find someone who looks 100% white or Asian having just 13% of white or asian genes but you have people like caine who are pred white and look African American show me someone who's 90% black and just 10% white and looks 100% white

lol I have more ssa admix than Caine and don't look anywhere near as mixed.

What makes black genes so magically dominant? It's just historical notions of ODR. Also if they're dominant, what does that say about non-African genes?

[cafman]

even Caine who was just 13% black looked fully black,you have to accept that black genes are very dominant and difficult to dilute and don't be in denial,you won't find someone who looks 100% white or Asian having just 13% of white or asian genes but you have people like caine who are pred white and look African American show me someone who's 90% black and just 10% white and looks 100% white

What?? Any person who saw Caine knows he's mixed. He's far from a full blooded African. And if I'm correct while Caine looked more Black, his sister looked almost fully White. It's all about the genes.

[Particula]

What?? Any person who saw Caine knows he's mixed. He's far from a full blooded African. And if I'm correct while Caine looked more Black, his sister looked almost fully White. It's all about the genes.

I said he looks African American i didn't say he looks SSA

[Asce]

...they can show us one thousands of light mulattoes and we can show them one million of black looking mulattoes,that's something they don't want to accept or get,light skinned white featured mulattoes are possible but they aren't the most common thing

Cape Verde the official mulattoe country per exelence(If you want to know how most mulattoes look like)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwpsPBiFatY

Your picture selections are never exactly what could be called "unbiased." So why would anyone here take your word? Likely, what you'll do, is upload pictures of people you suspect of being mulatto, and not people who are actually mulatto.

Exhibit A: Cape Verdians aren't exactly the best reference point since the lone study done on them (in Portuguese) showed them to be roughly ~60% sub-Saharan. ;)


I said he looks African American i didn't say he looks SSA

Caine looks the way he does (e.g., extra sub-Saharan) as a result of his father's pheno. His dad is faelid― the Dutch don't exactly always have the thinnest of features. That, coupled with some throwback recombination genes (e.g., atavism), and voila, you get someone like Caine (even he self-admittedly said he looks more like his father than his mother). It's a long shot chance, but it can happen. Same story with Joakim Noah. Has more to do with Noah's caveman-like mother (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/441137424_02dd5c7caf.jpg), than his father's so-called "dominant" genes.

Let's compare and contrast:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02bU7xaerM40N/340x.jpg
^mother

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1305666901/673/5018673.jpg
^Noah

:lol:

[Maroon King]

even Caine who was just 13% black looked fully black,you have to accept that black genes are very dominant and difficult to dilute and don't be in denial,you won't find someone who looks 100% white or Asian having just 13% of white or asian genes but you have people like caine who are pred white and look African American show me someone who's 90% black and just 10% white and looks 100% white

What are you smoking? Caine fully Black looking? Please! Yall love to talk about Caine but don't acknowledge how his sister came out white looking. See hit or miss.

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I said he looks African American i didn't say he looks SSA

No he doesn't.

[jonboyclem]

I said he looks African American i didn't say he looks SSA

So lookin African American is now the standard for looking Black instead of fully SSA? You've lost me on that one.

And the funny thing is you was aruging about David Ortiz not looking fully Black, and he looks way more SSA than Caine does.

[dbbrainer]

I think people here are not seeing the point of the OP. Her point is not to condemn "race" (this word should not be used anthropologically speaking but that is another matter) mixing but to express her concern over producing progeny with someone who is genotypically different than her thus running the risk of having a child that does not resemble her. The extreme examples are Afro-Caucasoid mixes.

While her argumentative logic is faulty and fear driven, given that I have seen the contrary and will post pics as an example, there is also the undeniable possibility her progeny might not resemble her. What may be left out of consideration by the politically correct crowd and those that jump on the bandwagon is the fact that this type of subjective judgement reflects a type of narcissism (I give it a neutral value; neither positive nor negative) that is for better or for worse a part of a lot of people, including me; I will give my own fear driven example and it will not be politically correct.

What she may not understand is how genetics work (Neither do I), the fact is WickedGirl that you may reduce the possibilities of your son looking different than yourself by not procreating with someone of a different genotype but you will not increase your possibilities of them looking like you or resembling you by procreating with someone that is not mixed or that has a similar to the eyegenotypical background.

Your only option is to go the endogamic way and look for Italian/Irish hybrids and even still it would only be an increment in the possibilities given that genetically there might be a shuffle of the sort EiCibaeño talks about given that you are mixed yourself so you can end up producing a Med influenced looking Kid (through your Italian and your mate's Italian genes supposing you go endogamic to increase your possibilities of having progeny similar to you; your mate would be Irish/Italian) when your pheno and that of your mate may resemble something else. Inversely if the genes do not shuffle and take on a balanced mix way then your progeny might end up looking like you, like both or not.

I am Narcissistic too. I also am conscious (though it certainly laid dormant unconsciously for a long time; all my girlfriends PR or Not have been Med types till my present girl) about that and thus choose my mates in order to increase the probabilities of them resembling me but that is just a wish, a desire, something that is not based on solid or even coherent and logical knowledge.

In the "What are you? a Phenotypeist or Genotypeist?" thread I commented on how afraid I was of procreating with my girl given than I thought her brother was not good looking (Im no trophy either but people from the "outside" as in my Galician friends have also validated my concern saying he looks like an endogamic troll).

Why do I make this point? The truth of the matter is that your concern can also be objectified from an inverse perspective. I am a Med pheno and my gir'l's family is Atlantid and I am the one afraid in this case. So by saying this I want to stress the fact that it goes both ways someone could see in you or something in your siblings that they dont like which may not be apparent in you phenotipically speaking but are present in your Genotype. People get my point (or do you lol?).

- First pics: Example of progeny which was the product an Anglo Saxon and a Puerto Rican of Canarian and Jewish Ancestry. (You can see that 2 came out looking Anglo and the other one sort of Atlanto Med but all take more on the WASP)

- Other Pics: Reference pic for yo to understand my fear Driven preoccupations concerning my progeny related to my girl's troll lookin bro. Jokes aside troll looking or not I just prefer my Kid to have my pheno and not his.... ughh never his. This way I am also validating your concerns by the way just from another perspective equally concerned ;) In the end it may sound cheesy as hell but Love should be above all this bullshit which I have myself just exposed about my own preoccupations and at the end of the day in my case ...IT IS ABOVE IT.

With that being said I see many racially sensitive people here. Just my 2 Cents.

[dbbrainer]

P.S. I am fully implying that my Castillian Girl is actually "Bettering" her "Race" by procreating with me and that I am the one running a risk here of worsening my "Race".

[jonboyclem]

No he doesn't.

Caine kinda does look Afram actually. He looks a lil bit like Method Man, Slim Thug, and Lil Flip and a few Black Americans I know where I live.

[amerinese]

dbbrainer wins the thread.

[Particula]

So lookin African American is now the standard for looking Black instead of fully SSA? You've lost me on that one.

And the funny thing is you was aruging about David Ortiz not looking fully Black, and he looks way more SSA than Caine does.

David ortiz looks fully black he doesn't look fully SSA/negroid which is different,the truth is that most mulattoes look black with or without one drop rule mentality...
why? because people are more used to Aframs and Aframs are already mixed and most mulattoes look like Aframs which is considered black especially in America where Wickedgirl is from

[jonboyclem]

You already answered it. What does the average Mullato look like from your POV?

[Maroon King]

Caine kinda does look Afram actually. He looks a lil bit like Method Man, Slim Thug, and Lil Flip and a few Black Americans I know where I live.

He just looks like a mixed Dominican to me. No one would think he's Afram here in MIA, that's yall Cali folks with them hella mixed Aframs.

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most mulattoes look like Aframs which is considered black especially in America where Wickedgirl is from

Nah, Afro-Med "mulattos" look different and are usually seen as "Spanish" here so IDK what you are talking about.

[Helios]

I don't know about the rest of you however I want my son to look like a copy of myself with minor differences to distinguish us I suppose. It would be a source of pride, I'll raise him to become a great man who will carry on my legacy. I would prefer my daughter to look 50-50, or more like my mother.

[amerinese]

My sons look similar to both me and my wife. The eldest resembles me slightly more. The youngest resembles her slightly more. Neither of them are going to be confused as adopted or bastards. We're pretty happy with that outcome.

It could have gone another way. I could have had children with a woman with a drastically different phenotype and genotype, and they could have looked completely different from me. I'd like to think I wouldn't be self-conscious about it. I have experience with it from the other point of view. I came out looking different from my mom, and I don't think it was a problem for her.

[Particula]

You already answered it. What does the average Mullato look like from your POV?

this is what i describe as mulattoe
http://estb.msn.com/i/9B/91E1C82ABD396F44AC15C1D9BA98E6.jpg
http://www.trinijunglejuice.com/tjjnews/content_images/13/2009/mulattos_night_nov07.jpg
http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/144041__sophie_l.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/354088694_3933645a57_o.jpg
http://m1.paperblog.com/i/7/79112/avana-mulata-cuba-2005-320k-L-1.jpeg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_uHIutGCCY6g/SkBZBXov0II/AAAAAAAAAGc/Tc5g96BQLB8/s400/IMG_0070.JPG
http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/mujer-cuba.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1248/1087401148_2a9effc1d2_o.jpg
http://images01.olx.es/ui/7/92/47/1278884411_104688547_1-Fotos-de--STRIP-MULATO-100-POR-.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9TG4rKf1bhQ/TNAlzMCdcUI/AAAAAAAACe0/7_Q0Ss5zOA4/s1600/mulato6.jpg

[EiCibaeño]

Caine kinda does look Afram actually. He looks a lil bit like Method Man, Slim Thug, and Lil Flip and a few Black Americans I know where I live.

Due to what Aframs look like in NY and due to the fact that, especially when left short, Caine's hair is very straight I would assume him to be more than just Afram.

[anoniem]

asian and black genes are very dominant and the offspring will most likely end up looking more black or asian.

i have seen this myself my friend in Holland is mixed race her mother is Asian and her dad is Dutch.
to be honest the girl looks 100% Asian if you would see her you would not think she had dutch in her whatsoever. i saw her with her dad recently and it looks like she has been adopted.

so yeah i do agree to some extent that it is actually better not to mix otherwise you future offspring will look completely different from you

[Maroon King]

Idk about the rest of the country but here Caine would be referred to as a "Red Spanish boy" by Aframs.

[Asce]

Idk about the rest of the country but here Caine would be referred to as a "Red Spanish boy" by Aframs.

Idk? Caine and Cib are lighter than me. In DC at least, they're what we would call "yella." Red is more for AfrAms that are like Ice Cube/T.I. (in terms of complexion―i.e., a light brown color). Yella/high yella is more for tones ranging between fair ("yella") to yellowish-brown (basically a tan color, or "high yella").

[Maroon King]

Idk? Caine and Cib are lighter than me. In DC at least, they're what we would call "yella." Red is more for AfrAms that are like Ice Cube/T.I. (in terms of complexion―i.e., a light brown color). Yella/high yella is more for tones ranging between fair ("yella") to yellowish-brown (basically a tan color, or "high yella").

I know but in MIA we don't use the term yella.....I am definitely referred to as Red or Carmel brown errwhere by Aframs.

[Soul Unlimited]

I know but in MIA we don't use the term yella.....I am definitely referred to as Red or Carmel brown errwhere by Aframs.

Regional terms are interesting, we don't use the term "spanish" here, we only have a few descriptive words compared to other places. Caine would definitely be seen as a "regular" afram here. He looks "blacker" than several mulattoes I know.


You are darker than my mom and most of the people on that side of my family.

[EiCibaeño]

Idk? Caine and Cib are lighter than me. In DC at least, they're what we would call "yella." Red is more for AfrAms that are like Ice Cube/T.I. (in terms of complexion―i.e., a light brown color). Yella/high yella is more for tones ranging between fair ("yella") to yellowish-brown (basically a tan color, or "high yella").

I didn't think Caine and I were in the same color spectrum. I also never thought I'd be referred to as high/yella based on how I've seen it applied.

What term is used for your color in Afram vernacular?

[Asce]

I didn't think Caine and I were in the same color spectrum...

Well Caine might be darker than you? Don't know. In some of his pics, he doesn't look that different from either you or Bohecoa (if that was really him?) in terms of color.


...What term is used for your color in Afram vernacular?

Me, you, and Caine would all be perceived as "yella niggas." If they were just talking simply. You know like: "Look @ that yella muthafucka walkin by..." But if they were trying to paint a more accurate picture, they'd use the more illustrative descriptors to differentiate between us.

Btw, I reversed the two meanings. I meant to say "high yella" is for fair-skinned individuals. Whereas "yella" is for the tanner/darker-complected light-skins.

So I guess, you and Bohecoa = high yella

Me, Caine, and Macorisano = yella

[FCortex]

Well Caine might be darker than you? Don't know. In some of his pics, he doesn't look that different from either you or Bohecoa (if that was really him?) in terms of color.



Me, you, and Caine would all be perceived as "yella niggas." If they were just talking simply. You know like: "Look @ that yella muthafucka walkin by..." But if they were trying to paint a more accurate picture, they'd use the more illustrative descriptors to differentiate between us.

Btw, I reversed the two meanings. I meant to say "high yella" is for fair-skinned individuals. Whereas "yella" is for the tanner/darker-complected light-skins.

So I guess: You and Bohecoa = high yella

Me, Caine, and Macorisano = yella
I don't know, from what I've seen of caine he looks brown not "yella". Do blacks usually call light brown people "yella"?

[amerinese]

Idk about the rest of the country but here Caine would be referred to as a "Red Spanish boy" by Aframs.

Yella where I'm at are folks like the Ford family where originated Harold Ford Jr. Some of them are brown, but Harold Jr. his dad and some of his uncles and aunts are paler than me, while others are brown. I haven't seen pics of Caine to say if he passes as yella round here.

[Asce]

I don't know, from what I've seen of caine he looks brown not "yella". Do blacks usually call light brown people "yella"?

:lol:

If Caine (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43775&d=1293396503) is brown, I'm black (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/284861_169784299758500_100001807945667_391582_5975 124_n.jpg). You can tell Caine is somewhat lighter than me, because we're standing in a similarly lighted bathroom, using similar amounts of flash, and yet I still appear somewhat darker. I'm also darker than him when in darker lighting. Caine is definitely not brown.

You are though, at least from what I've seen of you. :D

[FCortex]

:lol:

If Caine (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43775&d=1293396503) is brown, I'm black (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/284861_169784299758500_100001807945667_391582_5975 124_n.jpg). You can tell Caine is somewhat lighter than me, because we're standing in a similarly lighted bathroom, using similar amounts of flash, and yet I still appear somewhat darker. I'm also darker than him when in darker lighting. Caine is definitely not brown.

You are though, at least from what I've seen of you. :D
I've seen multiple photos of caine. He is indeed brown. I don't know if your eyes are deceiving you or what but he is certainly not yellow or even what I would consider light.

I'd link the pics but the mods don't like when you do that to another member. But he has several pics in the member's pics thread

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You are though, at least from what I've seen of you. :D
Hmm you almost say that in a shaming manner. When did I ever deny being brown or misrepresent myself in that way? What's wrong with being brown anyway?

[Asce]

I've seen multiple photos of caine. He is indeed brown. I don't know if your eyes are deceiving you or what but he is certainly not yellow or even what I would consider light.

And so have I.

What you're not getting, is that both me and Caine appear to have what are called undertones, but you'll notice we're still on the yellow side (it's more yellowish-brown than an actual brown). Magneto can back me up on this (another AfrAm who is very familiar with both mine and Caine's phenos).


Hmm you almost say that in a shaming manner. When did I ever deny being brown or misrepresent myself in that way? What's wrong with being brown anyway?

Nah trust me bro, I really wasn't. I'm just saying you appear darker than Caine and me. And have a hue, for the most part, I would indeed consider brown.

[FCortex]

Nah trust me bro, I really wasn't. I'm just saying you appear darker than Caine and me. And have a hue, for the most part, I would indeed consider brown.
Alright man, but it's just odd that you brought up my color when it wasn't really in the discussion, that's all.

Caine is brown lol. I just sent you a pic of him and you cannot deny he's brown.

Yea, he might have "yellow undertones" up close or under the light, but he looks brown in pics. If you want to see how light I am under a bright light I can show you and you'll see I'm just as light as you probably

[Asce]

Alright man, but it's just odd that you brought up my color when it wasn't really in the discussion, that's all.

Nah, kinda like a compare and contrast.


Caine is brown lol. I just sent you a pic of him and you cannot deny he's brown.

I know that picture pretty well, but you can't deny that dark lighting influences tone. Here's me (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/l_5ae31cd692b34aa5bc5211d8b87a5b74.jpg) in some darker lighting. Even in a neutral setting (e.g., no lighting, no flash involved, but in broad daylight, and I appear darker (http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr105/Geezus_2008/Myhair.jpg)). It's relative mayne, it all plays a part in complexion.


Yea, he might have "yellow undertones" up close or under the light, but he looks brown in pics. If you want to see how light I am under a bright light I can show you and you'll see I'm just as light as you probably

Lol. and Caine's under the same amount as light as me. That was my point. You done spent way too much time around white folk. :p

They're honestly the only ones that call me brown. :lol:

[FCortex]

I know that picture pretty well, but you can't deny that dark lighting influences tone. Here's me in some darker lighting. Even in a neutral setting (e.g., no lighting, no flash involved, but in broad daylight, and I appear darker). It's relative mayne, it all plays a part in complexion.

Lol. and Caine's under the same amount as light as me. That was my point. You done spent way too much time around white folk.

They're honestly the only ones that call me brown.



Alright buddy, tell me whose darker

Me in my room with no light on whatsoever
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/Prevlnt/Terron/07042011434.jpg

Caine in a lit bathroom
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/150/l_394f78ee3b1446518ae6f5fee1721e30.jpg

Yes I know thigs can vary with the type of light, angles, etc. The point is that you are way off the mark ;)

[Asce]

Alright buddy, tell me whose darker

Me in my room with no light on whatsoever
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e279/Prevlnt/Terron/07042011434.jpg

And note what I said:


...Even in a neutral setting (e.g., no lighting, no flash involved, but in broad daylight, and I appear darker (http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/rr105/Geezus_2008/Myhair.jpg)). It's relative mayne, it all plays a part in complexion.

I understand it's broad daylight in that pic of yours, but you're completely hidden in the shadows (at least from the angle you're taking the pic). Obviously there's gotta be some light involved. Or else... (http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_bd0c3d943d3419c87af1fb757df5e229.jpg) ;)

From that pic though I'll admit you do look lighter than me and Caine (if that makes you feel better).

[FCortex]

And note what I said:



I understand it's broad daylight in that pic of yours, but you're completely hidden in the shadows (at least from the angle you're taking the pic). Obviously there's gotta be some light involved. Or else... (http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/16/l_bd0c3d943d3419c87af1fb757df5e229.jpg) ;)

From that pic though I'll admit you do look lighter than me and Caine (if that makes you feel better).
Nope, there was no lighting in my room whatsoever besides the clouds in the sky. The windows were open but the sky was gray that day :D

In some pictures I can come off as brown, in some pics I come off as light, it all depends really, as you pointed out

[Asce]

Nope, there was no lighting in my room whatsoever besides the clouds in the sky. The windows were open but the sky was gray that day :D

Well you can't deny Caine in a similar setting (who happened to be in slightly more light as a matter of fact) still appeared fairer. At least if you look closely @ the two pics.

I still think Caine's lighter than both you and me. You being the darkest of the three of us. Not that there's a problem with being darker-complected.


In some pictures I can come off as brown, in some pics I come off as light, it all depends really, as you pointed out

No doubt. Like I said, lighting is relative to complexion (for the most part anyway).

[FCortex]

Well you can't deny Caine in a similar setting (who happened to be in slightly more light as a matter of fact) still appeared fairer. At least if you look closely @ the two pics.

I agree that Caine is probably lighter than me. But man I'm telling you, from looking at his pics he looks brown. Just a tad less brown than I am especially in certain lights. It's not such a big difference as you insinuate.



I still think Caine's lighter than both you and me. You being the darkest of the three of us. Not that there's a problem with being darker-complected.

Right. Also remember that me and caine have straight hair, with you having the nappiest of the three. Not that there's a problem with nappy hair. (2 can play at that game :evilgrin:)

[Asce]

I agree that Caine is probably lighter than me. But man I'm telling you, from looking at his pics he looks brown. Just a tad less brown than I am especially in certain lights. It's not such a big difference as you insinuate.

Eh. I guess? If you say so. Not really gonna argue about how big the difference is.


Right. Also remember that me and caine have straight hair, with you having the nappiest of the three. Not that there's a problem with nappy hair. (2 can play at that game :evilgrin:)

Lol mayne. I don't really care since I crop it short for the most part. If it makes you feel better, both me, my dad, and son have nappier hair than your pred-SSA father. :D

[FCortex]

Eh. I guess? If you say so. Not really gonna argue about how big the difference is.



Lol mayne. I don't really care since I crop it short for the most part. If it makes you feel better, both me, my dad, and son have nappier hair than your pred-SSA father. :D
Yup pred ssa just as I originally proclaimed
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=20954

I'd go with what Esther said. I've always guessed he was around 70% pure African. The rest is euro and native. The native component can clearly be seen in his mother

Come on it doesn't work when you fabricate it bro :p

And for the last time, diS niGgA is brROwn not "yeLla" lmao
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1496/dscf1174l.jpg

[Asce]

And for the last time, diS niGgA is brROwn not "yeLla" lmao
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1496/dscf1174l.jpg

Well in DC he "yella." :p

I guess in Florida he'd be red, since that's what I'm seen as down here? He still wouldn't get brown though. ;)

[Maroon King]

yo in South FL, Aframs would call me, Asce, Macorisano, Lemba, Caine, FCortex all RED period LMAO. Some of us are just less red!

[stala]

don't worry wickedgirl you're not a racist and you're right most of the time children look black especially when the parent is up to 90% black but most members in this forum are always in denial,I don't understand why they don't want to accept things that most people notice,most mulattoes I've seen look black,they don't even look like what we consider mulattoe they just look black they can show us thousands of pics of light skinned mulattoes with white features but that doesn't change the fact the the majority of mulattoes look black or predomonally black,they can show us one thousands of light mulattoes and we can show them one million of black looking mulattoes,that's something they don't want to accept or get,light skinned white featured mulattoes are possible but they aren't the most common thing

Cape Verde the official mulattoe country per exelence(If you want to know how most mulattoes look like)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwpsPBiFatY

Most the video is in Santiago which is the least mixed of all nine islands and is where 99.99% of the "unmixed" or "least mixed" people reside. So if you are trying to say most of the people in the video are mulattoes your wrong don't post things without know what you are talking about:

This is what Cape Verdean mulattoe/mixed population looks like :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M8cD_HBPuo

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Your picture selections are never exactly what could be called "unbiased." So why would anyone here take your word? Likely, what you'll do, is upload pictures of people you suspect of being mulatto, and not people who are actually mulatto.

Exhibit A: Cape Verdians aren't exactly the best reference point since the lone study done on them (in Portuguese) showed them to be roughly ~60% sub-Saharan. ;)



Caine looks the way he does (e.g., extra sub-Saharan) as a result of his father's pheno. His dad is faelid― the Dutch don't exactly always have the thinnest of features. That, coupled with some throwback recombination genes (e.g., atavism), and voila, you get someone like Caine (even he self-admittedly said he looks more like his father than his mother). It's a long shot chance, but it can happen. Same story with Joakim Noah. Has more to do with Noah's caveman-like mother (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/441137424_02dd5c7caf.jpg), than his father's so-called "dominant" genes.

Let's compare and contrast:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/02bU7xaerM40N/340x.jpg
^mother

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1305666901/673/5018673.jpg
^Noah

:lol:


There is more than one study in english. The one in Portuguese has not come out yet?

[Particula]

:lol:

If Caine (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=43775&d=1293396503) is brown, I'm black (http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h159/Been_Stupified/284861_169784299758500_100001807945667_391582_5975 124_n.jpg). You can tell Caine is somewhat lighter than me, because we're standing in a similarly lighted bathroom, using similar amounts of flash, and yet I still appear somewhat darker. I'm also darker than him when in darker lighting. Caine is definitely not brown.

You are though, at least from what I've seen of you. :D

don't know but Caina looks more negroid than you(skull shape,eye separation and prognathism) and your probably a bit more black than him,maybe because your black genes are probably fulani/saharan and his congoid

Fulani
http://historyfacebook.wikispaces.com/file/view/fulani.jpg/30563812/fulani.jpg
http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/40/4001/2V6WF00Z/posters/pavitt-nigel-mopti-a-fulani-man-wearing-a-traditional-hat-mali.jpg

Congolese
http://www.glogster.com/media/5/35/5/92/35059212.jpg
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[Wickedgirl]

That conversation between Asce and FCCortex about who was blacker made me laugh out loud. WOW you guys, seriously???

[JaM]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9TG4rKf1bhQ/TNAlzMCdcUI/AAAAAAAACe0/7_Q0Ss5zOA4/s1600/mulato6.jpg

She looks unusual. Do you know where she's from?

[Particula]

She looks unusual. Do you know where she's from?

No i don't know but I guess she's some kind of biracial South Eastern Asian/white

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i know what they are,he's a hlaf german half black and she's latin american

[Maroon King]

That conversation between Asce and FCCortex about who was blacker made me laugh out loud. WOW you guys, seriously???

or whose more YELLA, BROWN or RED :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Particula]

or whose more YELLA, BROWN or RED :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Cine is red,Asce is brownish-yellowish and FCCortex the hindo looking mulattoe is just light cinamon-brown

[Asce]

Most the video is in Santiago which is the least mixed of all nine islands and is where 99.99% of the "unmixed" or "least mixed" people reside...

Come on stala, this is particula we're talking about. As soon as he tried to pass this off as a mulatto (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/132/354088694_3933645a57_o.jpg), I was done takin home dude seriously. The only countries that chick would be able to "label" herself mulatto are Brazil/Cuba. And we know just how "mulatto" some of their so-called "mulattos" are. :rolleyes:


There is more than one study in english. The one in Portuguese has not come out yet?

I understand that, but the one I'm referring to included autosomal figures. The others were mostly maternal/paternal estimates.


don't know but Caina looks more negroid than you(skull shape,eye separation and prognathism) and your probably a bit more black than him,maybe because your black genes are probably fulani/saharan and his congoid

I don't think either Caine or FCortex look more negroid/sub-Saharan. We're pretty much all within range of one another in terms of features. And I'm not "blacker" complexion-wise. I'm darker (than Caine).


That conversation between Asce and FCCortex about who was blacker made me laugh out loud. WOW you guys, seriously???

Again, that convo wasn't about who was "blacker." But who was darker. If we have to go by who's the blackest (estimate-wise). I'd surmise FCortex, followed by me, then Caine. But it's a moot point since I think we can all agree the three of us look pretty much just as "black" as the other does (which is to say not much). Phenotype imo overrides genetics.

[amerinese]

Yella examples...

Harold Ford Sr:

http://nitegator.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/harold-ford-senior.jpg

John Ford:

http://nitegator.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/john_ford2.jpg

Harold Ford Jr:

http://nitegator.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ford_harold_jr.jpg

Ophelia Ford

http://www.opheliafordtn.com/images/senford.jpg

Very slightly more on the brown side...

Edmund Ford Sr:

http://nitegator.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/eford_t300.jpg

Edmund Ford Jr:

http://nitegator.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/c163351d0000-00-00.jpg

[Maroon King]

Cine is red,Asce is brownish-yellowish and FCCortex the hindo looking mulattoe is just light cinamon-brown

Red is not to be taken literally, it's Southern slang for a light skinned Afro person! Like I said all of the posters you mentioned and myself would be called Red in MIA by Aframs. When you're an Afro person whose really light, they say YOU RED AS HELL. LOL

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Christopher Reid would be described as RED AS HELL in MIA :lol:

http://www.wizardhq.com/images/celebracadabra/christopherreid.jpg

[amerinese]

I thought red or red-bone was specifically a light-skinned Afram who has freckles and reddish hair, probably admixed with some red-headed freckled Euro variation. Although I have heard it used for light-skinned in general.

[Maroon King]

I thought red or red-bone was specifically a light-skinned Afram who has freckles and reddish hair, probably admixed with some red-headed freckled Euro variation. Although I have heard it used for light-skinned in general.

Maybe in other parts Amerinese, in MIA there's a large extension of the usage of RED as you can see. How would I be described in ya neck of the wood by Aframs?

[amerinese]

Maybe in other parts Amerinese, in MIA there's a large extension of the usage of RED as you can see. How would I be described in ya neck of the wood by Aframs?

Probably as light brown, or "Spanish".

[FCortex]

Again, that convo wasn't about who was "blacker." But who was darker. If we have to go by who's the blackest (estimate-wise). I'd surmise FCortex, followed by me, then Caine. But it's a moot point since I think we can all agree the three of us look pretty much just as "black" as the other does (which is to say not much). Phenotype imo overrides genetics.
I agree that genetically I'm in the mulatto range. However, don't you find it strange that you and caine both have a mulattoid phenotype and I have a phenotype of an entirely different ethnicity?

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=18656
Observe my classification thread. Everyone took me for full indian/pakistani/sri lanka, with no admixture whatsoever. There was only one guy that even hinted at some slight ssa. But with you and caine, everyone was able to see the ssa infuence clearly. So yes I'm darker, but somehow my ssa is more diluted phenotypically than you and caine

This is not to say that I always have a indid phenotype, but from my experience most of the time I look like an indian. This forum is not the only place where I've been mistaken for one, it's happened my entire life

[Maroon King]

Probably as light brown, or "Spanish".

That's ok if they add the BLACK + NATIVE in there cause I'm not just Spanish. They would call me that just by my appearance even if I don't speak one word of Spanish?

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I agree that genetically I'm in the mulatto range. However, don't you find it strange that you and caine both have a mulattoid phenotype and I have a phenotype of an entirely different ethnicity?

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=18656
Observe my classification thread. Everyone took me for full indian/pakistani/sri lanka, with no admixture whatsoever. There was only one guy that even hinted at some slight ssa. But with you and caine, everyone was able to see the ssa infuence clearly. So yes I'm darker, but somehow my ssa is more diluted phenotypically than you and caine

This is not to say that I always have a indid phenotype, but from my experience most of the time I look like an indian. This forum is not the only place where I've been mistaken for one, it's happened my entire life

Nah man you just have more components than them, like me. To me you look more Afro than them, they just have less components so that creates the ilusion of them looking more Afro.

[amerinese]

That's ok if they add the BLACK + NATIVE in there cause I'm not just Spanish. They would call me that just by my appearance even if I don't speak one word of Spanish?

The main Spanish-speaking populations here are Mestizos from Mexico of Central America. There aren't very many visibly SSA-admixed Spanish speakers in this region.

Also there aren't very many self-identifying native-admixed people like you would find in the Carolinas, for example. Otherwise you might get confused with them.

In your case, I think they'd probably be puzzled, because you have obvious admixture with something other than Euro and Afro, and they'd probably borrow east coast vernacular for tri-racial Puerto Ricans and Dominicans... "Spanish".

[Maroon King]

The main Spanish-speaking populations here are Mestizos from Mexico of Central America. There aren't very many visibly SSA-admixed Spanish speakers in this region.

Also there aren't very many self-identifying native-admixed people like you would find in the Carolinas, for example. Otherwise you might get confused with them.

In your case, I think they'd probably be puzzled, because you have obvious admixture with something other than Euro and Afro, and they'd probably borrow east coast vernacular for tri-racial Puerto Ricans and Dominicans... "Spanish".

Just as I've argued in the past, in the US, NATIVE ADMIXTURE= SPANISH
DAYUM BLASTED IGNORANCE

[FCortex]

Nah man you just have more components than them, like me. To me you look more Afro than them, they just have less components so that creates the ilusion of them looking more Afro.
No maroon, you're only saying that because I revealed I was triracial a while ago. But you saw very little ssa when you first classified me, even less than what you first saw in caine and asce


Honestly I would have only placed you in two regions of the world. South Asia and South America, as I've seen both South Asians and South Americans like you. You can definitely pass in Colombia, and they'd call you a trigueño, which means a brown guy. There are many people who look like you in Colombia, Ecuador, etc. If you were from South America I'd say at least half of your ancestry was non-Euro...it'd be a combination of Indigenous + little bit of African and the other half Euro.

Also, there is no such thing as a phenotyical "illusion". Either the ssa is apparent in your pheno and it shows or it is diluted and does not show

[Maroon King]

No maroon, you're only saying that because I revealed I was triracial a while ago. But you saw very little ssa when you first classified me, even less than what you first saw in caine and asce



Also, there is no such thing as a phenotyical "illusion". Either the ssa is apparent in your pheno and it shows or it is diluted and does not show

How are you assuming what I thought of Asce and Caine compared to you? WTH? And me thinking you were South American was obviosuly me think you were Tri-racial :whoco:

BTW I still stand firm on my conviction of you, half of your ancestry is Euro and the rest is made up of Native and African! We'll see when the Dr. McDonald results come in! BTW YOU LOOK LESS EURO THAN CAINE AND ASCE.

[Asce]

I agree that genetically I'm in the mulatto range. However, don't you find it strange that you and caine both have a mulattoid phenotype and I have a phenotype of an entirely different ethnicity?

Not to sound like a prick, but what's your point? I already explained why individuals like me and Caine who already have mixed race parents came out looking the way we do. It has more to do with the phenotype of the other parent. E.g., my mother is a robust northern cromag, which likely accentuates my "intermediate-ness." I already used Joakim Noah as an example. If we look at Noah, his sister, and their mother Cecilia Rodhe (http://www.chicagomag.com/galleries/859/19833-C201011-Joakim-Noah-with-mother-and-sister.jpg) we can see what I'm referring to, another example is the way Yannick Noah's other kids came out: His son Joalukas (http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/2/13/74/2/@/64959-yannick-noah-et-son-fils-joalukas-en-637x0-1.jpg), and his other daughters (http://53.img.v4.skyrock.net/532/enfantsdesstar/pics/1810470328_small_5.jpg), whom he had with much thinner featured individuals.

Personally, I could tell you had sub-Saharan ancestry (even before you revealed your ethnicity). It was quite apparent in your pheno. You actually reminded me of a much more admixed Terrelle Pryor. I was honestly thinking triracial hispanic more so than any south Asian ethnicity.

[JaM]

Lol, talk about looking like one parent

Guess who the father is:
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/148/annaqd1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/545/annaqd1.jpg/)

[FCortex]

How are you assuming what I thought of Asce and Caine compared to you? WTH? And me thinking you were South American was obviosuly me think you were Tri-racial :whoco:

BTW I still stand firm on my conviction of you, half of your ancestry is Euro and the rest is made up of Native and African! We'll see when the Dr. McDonald results come in! BTW YOU LOOK LESS EURO THAN CAINE AND ASCE.
in the quote where you first classified me, you said "very little african", half euro and the rest native. That's what you said first, I quoted it, there's no going back on it. Own up to it man

Now you've totally changed your tune for some reason. That's my point and you cannot deny that you changed your clasification after I told you that I was more of a mulatto, genetically speaking. All of a sudden it was "oh yea I see the afro"

But no ones denying that I have more ssa genes than caine and asce, don't get me wrong. My 23andme should have much more than them. Phenotypically however, it's a different story

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Not to sound like a prick, but what's your point? I already explained why individuals like me and Caine who already have mixed race parents came out looking the way we do. It has more to do with the phenotype of the other parent. E.g., my mother is a robust northern cromag, which likely accentuates my "intermediate-ness." I already used Joakim Noah as an example. If we look at Noah, his sister, and their mother Cecilia Rodhe (http://www.chicagomag.com/galleries/859/19833-C201011-Joakim-Noah-with-mother-and-sister.jpg) we can see what I'm referring to, another example is the way Yannick Noah's other kids came out: His son Joalukas (http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/2/13/74/2/@/64959-yannick-noah-et-son-fils-joalukas-en-637x0-1.jpg), and his other daughters (http://53.img.v4.skyrock.net/532/enfantsdesstar/pics/1810470328_small_5.jpg), whom he had with much thinner featured individuals.

Personally, I could tell you had sub-Saharan ancestry (even before you revealed your ethnicity). It was quite apparent in your pheno. You actually reminded me of a much more admixed Terrelle Pryor. I was honestly thinking triracial hispanic more so than any south Asian ethnicity.
Well you went and made the point that I would have more ssa genes than you and caine which I agree with. I just extrapolated on it, there's no hidden agenda but to point out the difference in phenotypes, beyond whose browner

[Maroon King]

in the quote where you first classified me, you said "very little african", half euro and the rest native. That's what you said first, I quoted it, there's no going back on it. Own up to it man

Now you've totally changed your tune for some reason. That's my point and you cannot deny that you changed your clasification after I told you that I was more of a mulatto, genetically speaking. All of a sudden it was "oh yea I see the afro"

But no ones denying that I have more ssa genes than caine and asce, don't get me wrong. My 23andme should have much more than them. Phenotypically however, it's a different story

Obviously you misinterpret what I mean by very little African, I meant under 20% and I expected your Native to be 30% or more because that's what I've seen in South Americans like you. I didn't mean you were only 5% SSA, c'mon now. I haven't totally changed my tune, like I said I look forward to your results. The only reason I switch my Afro and Native numbers around cause I know you are North American, but I still believe you're half Euro.

[dbbrainer]

How has this degenerated into something else entirely? The thread is getting hijacked. Let's keep in topic people cause frankly speaking it is much more interesting to read about fear driven judgements when it comes to make selection for progeny than to talk about admixes in members, who is less black, who is more black, who is more euro and so on. I know I am no admin but I just thought it would be nice to let you guys know.


Just as I've argued in the past, in the US, NATIVE ADMIXTURE= SPANISH
DAYUM BLASTED IGNORANCE

I agree. A Very vulgar thing coming from some East Coast peeps.

[FCortex]

Obviously you misinterpret what I mean by very little African, I meant under 20% and I expected your Native to be 30% or more because that's what I've seen in South Americans like you. I didn't mean you were only 5% SSA, c'mon now. I haven't totally changed my tune, like I said I look forward to your results. The only reason I switch my Afro and Native numbers around cause I know you are North American, but I still believe you're half Euro.
I never misinterpreted it, I took it at face value for what you said. When most people hear "very little" they would think less than 10%. 20% is alot more than "very little", in my opinion.

But that's fine maroon, as you recall, I myself predicted that my results would be: 65% ssa and the rest euro/native (sent that to you in a message). So never once did I downplay the ssa even from the beginning

[Maroon King]

I never misinterpreted it, I took it at face value for what you said. When most people hear "very little" they would think less than 10%. 20% is alot more than "very little", in my opinion.

But that's fine maroon, as you recall, I myself predicted that my results would be: 65% ssa and the rest euro/native (sent that to you in a message). So never once did I downplay the ssa even from the beginning

Well how do you expect us to fully predict your results without you even putting up a pic of your mom? Your dad is not 100% SSA by a longshot so there's no way you're getting 50% SSA from him. You can only even get up to 50% SSA if your mom assists in that! And by your description of her who knows if you're even 50% SSA.

[FCortex]

Well how do you expect us to fully predict your results without you even putting up a pic of your mom? Your dad is not 100% SSA by a longshot so there's no way you're getting 50% SSA from him. You can only even get up to 50% if your mom assists in that!
But it was a classification thread, you don't need to post your parents to classify someone. It's understood that you would be guessing percentages, and that is all, based on my pics. No one expects you to get exact percentages correct

But yea, I might do a thread on my mom. She's where most of the euro comes from. Phenotype exists somewhere in the quadroon range, very white/Lebanese looking

[Maroon King]

But it was a classification thread, you don't need to post your parents to classify someone. It's understood that you would be guessing percentages, and that is all, based on my pics. No one expects you to get exact percentages correct

But yea, I might do a thread on my mom. She's where most of the euro comes from. Phenotype exists somewhere in the quadroon range, very white/Lebanese looking

Ok so if your mom is a quad and your dad can be around 80% SSA or probably less, I'd say 75% SSA. How are you predicting to be 65% SSA? IMO at most you are 50% SSA.

[FCortex]

Ok so if your mom is a quad and your dad can be around 80% SSA or probably less, I'd say 75% SSA. How are you predicting to be 65% SSA? IMO at most you are 50% SSA.
because I don't know their exact percentages, those are guesses based on my parents phenotype. Yes she looks more euro than anything else but that doesn't guarantee what her results would be. Phenotype doesn't always equal geneotype, right?