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Bahadur Singh
2009-12-14, 08:19
What is their ethnicities and nationality?

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We can name them as
A B C D E F

asdrubal cabrera
2009-12-14, 08:46
A. Parsi
B. Kashmir Brahmin
C. Han
D. Saraswat
E. Bengali
F. Chindian

Iyengar
2009-12-14, 09:39
1) Parsee ~ Nord Indid-Indo Brachid type

2) Konkonashta/Chitpavan Brahmin ~ a pure Danubian Mediterranean Nord-Indid type

3)Bhutia community ~ migrants from Tibet -North Eastern Indian

4)North Western Indian,probably a High Caste Hindu ~ Nord Indid

5)Definitely Indian

6)That's a familiar face!He is Indian by nationality but I cant figure out his ancestry.

Decimator
2009-12-14, 11:15
For the indians in here... are there still remnants of Turko-mongol Mughals as particular groups in India?

Bahadur Singh
2009-12-15, 18:30
Well thanks for trying. Both Asdrubal Cabrera and Iyengar were remarkably (but partially) correct especially Asdrubal as he is Chinese by ethnicity. His knowledge of South Asia is very deep it seems.
So the final answers
A- He is a Kashmiri Muslim from the Northernmost Indian state of Kashmir. Indeed he is no other than the Chief Minister of the autonomous Jammu and Kashmir State of India. His name is Omar Abdullah.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Abdullah.

B - She is doctor (gynaecologist), actress and model Aditi Gowitrikar. She belongs to the Kokanastha Brahmin community of the Konkan coast of the Western Indian state of Maharastra. She was Miss India and won the Miss World Contest in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aditi_Gowitrikar

C- He is the ex-football captain of India, Baichung Bhutia. Indeed he is considered the best football (soccer) player in India and has also played for English clubs. He belongs to the Bhutia community of Sikkim. Sikkim was an independent kingdom before the Indian army conquered it and made it a state in the 70s.

D- She is a dancer and Bollywood actress who belongs to the upper caste Guajarati Brahmin community from the Western Indian state of Gujrat. Her name is Isha Sharvani. Iyengar got this right.

E - He is no other than Victor Banerjee, an actor (Bengali movies, Bollywood and even a few English movies). He belongs to the Bengali Brahmin community. Bengalis are considered to be one of the largest ethnic groups in the world by numbers. They are found in the Republic of Bangladesh (East Bengal) and the Indian state of West Bengal. Asdrubal got it right.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Banerjee

F – He is "Danny" Denzongpa, an actor and singer from the Bhutia ethnic group from Sikkim state of India. He has acted in several Nepali and Bollywood movies.

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Decimator,the Turko Mongol Mughals have been absorbed into the Indian population. This is because even if they were a ruling elite, the intermarried a lot with Indian and Persian aristocratic women due to which they lost their Mongoloid traits with time. The Rajputs of Northern India had a tradition to give their princesses to Mughal emperors to build political and military alliances. This is even though the Rajputs were Hindus and looked down upon the muslim Mughals (they would never share food with the unclean muslims). The mongoloid features of the early Mughal emperors of India is obvious. Check out Babur the first Mughal emperor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babur
But by the time you reach Emperor Akbar one of his descendants, he already looks Caucasoid due to all that intermarriages with upper caste Indian as well as Persian aristocratic women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Akbar1.jpg

However remember mild mongoloid features can be found throughout India in both North and South India among all the castes. However it is only mild but the people from the North Eastern states of India (Sikkim, Tripura, Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Nagaland, Mizoram, Manipur) are predominantly Mongoloid. Some of them look like Tibetans, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese etc while others look like Thais, Burmese, Cambodians etc Mongoloid peoples have traded with, migrated to and conquered India from ancient times.

Iyengar
2009-12-16, 05:20
Bahadur Singh - However remember mild mongoloid features can be found throughout India in both North and South India among all the castes.

This is true only for the lower castes and the psuedo Mongoloid element reaches its peak in East Indian regions.

Also maybe East Indian Brahmins have visible Proto Mongoloid admixture,but South Indian Brahmins usually have only Gracile Indid and Weddid admixture but are still pred.Nord Indid.

http://www.kirfindia.org/images/photos/380/hautinggirl_dec07.jpg

Such a type can also be found amongst lower castes in all regions
f.e
AR Rehman strikes me as being pred.Weddid with some proto Mongoloid elements.
http://www.outlookindia.com/images/ar_rehman_20070820.jpg

Bahadur Singh
2009-12-16, 18:42
This is true only for the lower castes and the psuedo Mongoloid element reaches its peak in East Indian regions.

Also maybe East Indian Brahmins have visible Proto Mongoloid admixture,but South Indian Brahmins usually have only Gracile Indid and Weddid admixture but are still pred.Nord Indid.

http://www.kirfindia.org/images/photos/380/hautinggirl_dec07.jpg

Such a type can also be found amongst lower castes in all regions
f.e
AR Rehman strikes me as being pred.Weddid with some proto Mongoloid elements.
http://www.outlookindia.com/images/ar_rehman_20070820.jpg

I will disagree. I have seen a lot of borderline Mongoloid features among the highest castes too. I am not talking about Nepali Brahmins who would obviously have acquired Mongoloid ancestry. Several Bengali Brahmins look Mongoloid too. Mamta Banerjee is a Bengali Brahmin and she has reasonably strong Mongoloid features. I personally know upper caste Gujratis, upper caste Marwaris , Maharastrain Brahmins, Bengali Brahmins and Kayasthas and even a few South Indians who show slight Mongoloid features. Compared to Europeans we show more Mongoloid like facial structures. I had read somewhere that Indians genetically fall in between Caucasoids and Mongoloids. However Australoid facial features are much stronger in India than Mongoloid, especially in South India. Maybe in South India we see a strong influence of those primitive Australian aboriginal (Desert Aboriginals) like populations who took the route from Africa to Australia via south Asia.
A.R. Rahman hardly looks very Mongoloid, he looks far more Australoid. I do not know about all the Brahmins of the South but yes Saraswats and Chitpavans are definitely Nordic like. Tamil Brahmins tend to be darker than other Brahmins but show facial structures from Nordic to slight Australoid. But generally Nordic like features is more common in the Northern and Western parts of India.

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For example upper caste North West Indian Isha Sharvani looks quite Mongoloid too.
http://www.thailandbuddy.com/images/Isha-Sharvani.jpg

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Udita Goswami who is a North Indian Brahmin has obvious Mongoloid ancestry.
http://buzz18.in.com/celeb/profileimage/udita_goswami_celeb_300x356.jpg

MadWorld
2009-12-17, 00:26
The first guy is half white.
His mother Mollie, a British Christian, and a Nurse by profession, was not in favor of him joining politics.

Decimator
2009-12-17, 00:34
http://www.thailandbuddy.com/images/Isha-Sharvani.jpg

This one looks like any normal mestiza.

Must be those Amerindian looking Paleo-mongolid Nagas mixed with some light Gracil Indid

Bahadur Singh
2009-12-17, 04:37
http://www.thailandbuddy.com/images/Isha-Sharvani.jpg

This one looks like any normal mestiza.

Must be those Amerindian looking Paleo-mongolid Nagas mixed with some light Gracil Indid

Yes that is true. She is a upper caste West Indian Gujrathi. Nagas live in Eastern India. As I have said even though the Caucasoid and Austroloid stain looks dominant in India, there is a mild Mongoloid stain all over Southern Asia.

Iyengar
2009-12-17, 08:29
I will disagree. I have seen a lot of borderline Mongoloid features among the highest castes too. I am not talking about Nepali Brahmins who would obviously have acquired Mongoloid ancestry. Several Bengali Brahmins look Mongoloid too. Mamta Banerjee is a Bengali Brahmin and she has reasonably strong Mongoloid features.

East Indian Brahmins on the whole ~ Bengal,Bihar and Orissa tend to show a quite visible East Weddid - proto Mongoloid admixture .

But as per their paternal lineage goes R1a and R2 Y-DNA comprises 90% of their lineage!

Even for East Indian Brahmins,their features are rather strongly Mongoloid,but I would say these are exceptions rather than the rule.

http://www.topnews.in/files/Mamata-Banerjee302.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8d/Ishwar_Chandra_Vidyasagar.jpg

Most Bengali Brahmins tend to be Indid with East Weddid admixture.
http://www.writespirit.net/authors/tagore/tagore3

More noble looking ~ 'Aryan' type of the region - Rabindranath Tagore


Compared to Europeans we show more Mongoloid like facial structures.

Well duh,
Indians = Race mixers No.1:lol:

North Indian Brahmins are West Eurasian both on their Paternal and Maternal side.
South Indian Brahmins are also pred.Nord-Indid and are mostly mixed maternally due to upwardly mobile low caste females marrying higher caste males.


I had read somewhere that Indians genetically fall in between Caucasoids and Mongoloids. However Australoid facial features are much stronger in India than Mongoloid, especially in South India. Maybe in South India we see a strong influence of those primitive Australian aboriginal (Desert Aboriginals) like populations who took the route from Africa to Australia via south Asia.

Indians are generally Europoid with the Higher Castes being more Europid.

The inhabitants of South India are mostly Indo-Australoid i.e Weddid with slight proto Mongoloid and proto-Mediterranean/Dravidian proper influence.
Anthropologists call this hybridized strain as Indo Melanid or Veddoid.

Indeed,these are the remnants of the Australoids that did not continue further into Sri Lanka,South East Asia and Oceania.


I do not know about all the Brahmins of the South but yes Saraswats and Chitpavans are definitely Nordic like. Tamil Brahmins tend to be darker than other Brahmins but show facial structures from Nordic to slight Australoid. But generally Nordic like features is more common in the Northern and Western parts of India.

West Indian Brahmins tend to be Nord-Indid ~ Indo Brachid and their strongest sub races are Baltoid and/or Alpinoid and Nordoid and of course Mediterranoid.

Kashmiris tend to be Nordoid looking whereas Punjabis - robust Mediterranean types.

Tamil Brahmins tend to be darker because
1)Tamil Nadu is near to the Equator as opposed to other states.
2)They are mixed in with Dravidian proper and Weddid maternally

A good portion of Tamil Brahmins are of the Nordoid sub race of the Indic race.

For Example

http://i46.tinypic.com/rwpi7c.jpghttp://i44.tinypic.com/f9pd07.jpghttp://www.atmajyoti.org/images/brahmin-prayer.jpg


For example upper caste North West Indian Isha Sharvani looks quite Mongoloid too.
http://www.thailandbuddy.com/images/Isha-Sharvani.jpg

She does look like she has very slight admixture there ..

http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/fr/2005/01/21/images/2005012101740103.jpg

She looks like a Tamil Brahmin girl here :p
Rather Europoid looking here though.


Udita Goswami who is a North Indian Brahmin has obvious Mongoloid ancestry.
http://buzz18.in.com/celeb/profileimage/udita_goswami_celeb_300x356.jpg

She is North Indian Brahmin on the paternal side and her mother is from Shillong ~ North East India, so that might explain it.
She looks like those quasi Europid models that they usually use in East Asian countries:D

bleck
2009-12-18, 00:59
B - She is doctor (gynaecologist), actress and model Aditi Gowitrikar. She belongs to the Kokanastha Brahmin community of the Konkan coast of the Western Indian state of Maharastra. She was Miss India and won the Miss World Contest in 2001.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aditi_Gowitrikar

Aditi Gowitrikar was a Deshastha Brahmin.


D- She is a dancer and Bollywood actress who belongs to the upper caste Guajarati Brahmin community from the Western Indian state of Gujrat. Her name is Isha Sharvani. Iyengar got this right.

You have no evidence.


E - He is no other than Victor Banerjee, an actor (Bengali movies, Bollywood and even a few English movies). He belongs to the Bengali Brahmin community.

No he doesn't.

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]Udita Goswami who is a North Indian Brahmin has obvious Mongoloid ancestry.
http://buzz18.in.com/celeb/profileimage/udita_goswami_celeb_300x356.jpg

Udita Goswami's dad is Brahmin but her mom is a pariah North East(Mongoloid) Indian.

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http://www.topnews.in/files/Mamata-Banerjee302.jpg


Ugh for the last time, Mamata Banerjee isn't a Brahmin.

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By the way High Caste Indians or Brahmins are nothing special. They can also be very mixed like all Indians are. And they just look Pakistanis, thats all.