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Karl der Große
2011-01-27, 12:32
I would imagine that natural selection would of course weed out all the homosexual genetic variations. People always say that homosexuality is genetic, but does that mean that every homosexual has mutated genetics? It just seems odd that the same mutation would happen so often in the population. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Ot is it just speculations on?

Particula
2011-01-27, 12:40
I don't think homosexuality is genetic i think it's biologic I don't think homosexuality is a choice because many animals are gay and many people kill themselves because they can't change their sexuality but i think it's a sin

takoja
2011-01-27, 12:43
Yeah you'd kinda think that homosexuals would not leave much offspring behind them.

Anyway, we have a saying: Homo's don't live in the north. I think there's much truth to it. You can bet your life, that if by a small chance a homo happens to be born in the north, he will as soon as it is possible, move to some southern city. It's a nature's law.

jibarodepr
2011-01-27, 12:47
I don't think homosexuality is genetic i think it's biologic I don't think homosexuality is a choice because many animals are gay and many people kill themselves because they can't change their sexuality but i think it's a sinAnimals aren't aware of it as they aren't rationals beings, humans, on the contrary, are aware and choose to be it.

Particula
2011-01-27, 12:50
Animals aren't aware of it as they aren't rationals beings, humans, on the contrary, are aware and choose to be it.

But I think humans can't control sexual attraction
that's why the sin is acting gay not being gay

jibarodepr
2011-01-27, 12:55
But I think humans can't control sexual attraction
that's why the sin is acting gay not being gayBeing gay also,a gay is a person who is attracted to the same sex,maybe thinking about it is not bad, but sooner or latter it will lead you to do it.On my case, i don't even think about it.

Particula
2011-01-27, 12:59
Being gay also,a gay is a person who is attracted to the same sex,maybe thinking about it is not bad, but sooner or latter it will lead you to do it.On my case, i don't even think about it.

I don't think so
many gay people kill themselves because they can't get rid of those desires and many people in countries like iran and Saudi arabia wouldn't choose to be gay If having homosexual feelings/thoughts were a choice

Day Tripper
2011-01-27, 13:02
Here (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn13674-evolution-myths-natural-selection-cannot-explain-homosexuality.html) is something that may answer your question.

Zvit
2011-01-27, 13:03
Yeah you'd kinda think that homosexuals would not leave much offspring behind them.

Anyway, we have a saying: Homo's don't live in the north. I think there's much truth to it. You can bet your life, that if by a small chance a homo happens to be born in the north, he will as soon as it is possible, move to some southern city. It's a nature's law.

Where was Tom of Finland from?

takoja
2011-01-27, 13:13
Where was Tom of Finland from?

I dunno, but if I had to guess, I'd say propably from some Southern Finnish town. ;)

jibarodepr
2011-01-27, 13:16
I don't think so
many gay people kill themselves because they can't get rid of those desires and many people in countries like iran and Saudi arabia wouldn't choose to be gay If having homosexual feelings/thoughts were a choiceBut they weren't born with those desires, they ädquired'them after growing up, instead of feeling pasion toward women, they do feel it for men, and it is not easy to stop, it requires a strong sense of will, it is not like a gay will become straight tomorrow, because it requires a change of heart and way of living.

amenoameno
2011-01-27, 13:24
Homosexuality is just an illusion. They got the choice not to be but for some reason they are so convinced that they like what they do that they chose to never try get rid of their homosexuality. It is probably not genetic just bad luck like anything else. Too bad there are no big instutions to cure these people.

Zvit
2011-01-27, 13:56
Too bad there are no big instutions to cure these people.

I think one would need to find a cure first before building an institution.


But they weren't born with those desires, they ädquired'them after growing up, instead of feeling pasion toward women, they do feel it for men, and it is not easy to stop, it requires a strong sense of will, it is not like a gay will become straight tomorrow, because it requires a change of heart and way of living.

Seriously, what planet are you on?

jibarodepr
2011-01-27, 14:04
Seriously, what planet are you on?yes, sriously, humans aren't born gays or homosexuals, or aren't born any way, we are born pure but become corrupt by the environment around us, that is how it is.

amenoameno
2011-01-27, 14:04
I think one would need to find a cure first before building an institution.



Seriously, what planet are you on?

Put them in a room for 1 year with photos of men all over the walls and play music with men having sex 24 h. When they come out they will not be gay anymore.

Aino
2011-01-27, 14:05
I would imagine that natural selection would of course weed out all the homosexual genetic variations. People always say that homosexuality is genetic, but does that mean that every homosexual has mutated genetics? It just seems odd that the same mutation would happen so often in the population. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Ot is it just speculations on?

There is evidence to suggest that homosexuality is caused by both genetic and epigenetic factors. What suggest that homosexuality is genetic is that people who have a gay twin are much more likely to be gay themselves compared to the general population. However, research on identical twins has shown that while one identical twin can be straight, the other can be gay. So researchers now believe that whether one develops a sexual attraction for the same sex depends on whether the gene for homosexuality was switched on or off while the foetus was developing.

As a result, not everyone who carries the gene(s) for homosexuality becomes homosexual. This would explain how these genes can be passed on to the next generation.

Here is an interesting video that explains the role of epigenetics in developing a sexual preference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saO_RFWWVVA

Zvit
2011-01-27, 14:08
Put them in a room for 1 year with photos of men all over the walls and play music with men having sex 24 h. When they come out they will not be gay anymore.

They'll still be gay....and exhausted.


Jib
yes, sriously, humans aren't born gays or homosexuals, or aren't born any way, we are born pure but become corrupt by the environment around us, that is how it is.

So this `change of heart` you speak of? What does that entail?

jibarodepr
2011-01-27, 14:13
So this `change of heart` you speak of? What does that entail?it entails when the person develops lust for people of his same gender, it is mental, and it can be cured, but as i said, it won't be easy, it needs for the person to have a strong willpower to do so.I have seen of gay people turned straight.

Unurautare
2011-01-27, 14:14
yes, sriously, humans aren't born gays or homosexuals, or aren't born any way, we are born pure but become corrupt by the environment around us, that is how it is.

I call bullshit,humans probably have the strongest survival instincts as small kids,I remember I was very greedy and aggressive,not in extreme ways but compared to what I am now back then I was very different in behavior,and so were other people(with other ethnic backgrounds) I talked to about this.

Zvit
2011-01-27, 14:15
it entails when the person develops lust for people of his same gender, it is mental, and it can be cured, but as i said, it won't be easy, it needs for the person to have a strong willpower to do so.I have seen of gay people turned straight.

Alternately can this `technique` be used to turn people gay?

amenoameno
2011-01-27, 14:22
They'll still be gay....and exhausted.



So this `change of heart` you speak of? What does that entail?

It is worth a try. I used to think gay people were born evil but now i have changed my mind I think there is good in them too and that they can be saved from the demon inside of them. No people are borned evil they are just shaped that way and prefer evil over good.

Zvit
2011-01-27, 14:24
It is worth a try. I used to think gay people were born evil but now i have changed my mind I think there is good in them too and that they can be saved from the demon inside of them. No people are borned evil they are just shaped that way and prefer evil over good.

Why are gay people `evil?`

Aetius
2011-01-27, 14:25
Lol funniest thread to date.

DragonRouge
2011-01-27, 14:32
Well, I remember reading about frogs not too long ago, and when the frog population gets too high in one pond, the frogs start to exhibit homosexual behaviour.

This could be the same case for humans, as we're overpopulated now, pushing 9 billion.

Aetius
2011-01-27, 14:35
It is worth a try.
And you know what? I think it works! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alEqtJ5fUV4

Unurautare
2011-01-27, 14:35
Well, I remember reading about frogs not too long ago, and when the frog population gets too high in one pond, the frogs start to exhibit homosexual behaviour.

This could be the same case for humans, as we're overpopulated now, pushing 9 billion.

So China and India should be full of flaming homosexuals right now.

DragonRouge
2011-01-27, 14:36
So China and India should be full of flaming homosexuals right now.

There probably are, but their cultures aren't as liberal on homosexuality so it's more hidden.

I have heard of people rallying for gay rights in India, though.

However, even though China and India are the most populated, they are not the most densely populated. Western Europe is actually the most densely populated part of the world, and lots of flaming gays there.

Atesh
2011-01-27, 14:39
Homosexuality is just an illusion. They got the choice not to be but for some reason they are so convinced that they like what they do that they chose to never try get rid of their homosexuality. It is probably not genetic just bad luck like anything else. Too bad there are no big instutions to cure these people.

lol.

Zvit
2011-01-27, 14:41
I have my own theory that it maybe environmental

Plastic chemicals 'feminise boys' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8361863.stm)

Wojewoda
2011-01-27, 14:47
I would imagine that natural selection would of course weed out all the homosexual genetic variations. People always say that homosexuality is genetic, but does that mean that every homosexual has mutated genetics? It just seems odd that the same mutation would happen so often in the population. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Ot is it just speculations on?

If the distribution of genetically determined masculinity and femininity in the population is governed by the normal distribution:

http://www.google.pl/images?hl=pl&q=normal%20distribution&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1260&bih=837

... it will be mostly the mean of this distrubution wihich will be affected by the natural selection. But the bell shape of this distrubition will guarantee the presence in the populations of the individuals overly or not sufficiently masculine and/or overly or nor sufficiently feminine. I would guess that among such individuals one might find homosexuals.

takoja
2011-01-27, 15:07
I remember in some tv program where was said that the more male children a mother has the bigger the chance grows that the next child will be gay. Anybody know anything about his?

Meaning that if there are 5 brothers. There is a greater chance that the youngest will be gay.

solkiM
2011-01-27, 23:52
I remember in some tv program where was said that the more male children a mother has the bigger the chance grows that the next child will be gay. Anybody know anything about his?

Meaning that if there are 5 brothers. There is a greater chance that the youngest will be gay.

I think it had something to do with the environment of the womb becoming more prone to estrogen thus changing the male brain. Why that is? maybe a natural limit for population growth? (gays being less likely to produce offspring)

birko19
2011-01-27, 23:59
But I think humans can't control sexual attraction
that's why the sin is acting gay not being gay

What does the word "Sin" have to do with this scientific discussion? Keep this religious talk in the religion section.

Surreal
2011-01-30, 08:22
its enviromental psychological and probably genetic, hormonal.... lol and wtf does it have to do with sin and demons?? is dat wat ur pastor told u ameno?? :lol:

SiegMeinKaiser
2011-01-30, 10:13
There has been no proof that people are born exclusively homosexual and there have been no instances of mammals being exclusively homosexual.

elone
2011-01-30, 23:41
I think it had something to do with the environment of the womb becoming more prone to estrogen thus changing the male brain. Why that is? maybe a natural limit for population growth? (gays being less likely to produce offspring)

idk,i would think that atleast before the advent of modern medicine tha disease and whatnot would take care of that naturally,and that homosexuality would be more of a detriment than anything else.in the sense that they are less likely as you said to produce offspring and therefore unfavorable,because people were alot more susceptable to sicknesses,and the populations werent boomin..i think thats where the stigma of homosexuality comes from.alot of people arent necessarily homophobic and dont have a problem with other people being gay but when its their own kin they flip out.because it means they are less likely to spread your genes and whatnot,which in the end is why we are all here in the first place.




just a thought really.i have no evidence to back that up obviously so its all speculation.

Nordenskjöld
2011-01-31, 01:24
It is worth a try. I used to think gay people were born evil but now i have changed my mind I think there is good in them too and that they can be saved from the demon inside of them. No people are borned evil they are just shaped that way and prefer evil over good.

HAHAHAHAHA holy fuck, are you serious?

someone gets a bible for the religious fanatic please :sick:

amenoameno
2011-01-31, 01:27
HAHAHAHAHA holy fuck, are you serious?

someone gets a bible for the religious fanatic please :sick:

Thank you sir I got my bible. I dont hate homosexuality i just think they need help to repent. They dont accept Jesus Christ as their saviour and they chose to sin. Jesus died for our sins everytime they see the cross they should feel ashamed of themselves for doing that homosexual stuff. Homosexuality is a joke it is just a sick illusion of hell. Satan is a deciever do not fall for his promises.

Nordenskjöld
2011-01-31, 01:39
Thank you sir I got my bible. I dont hate homosexuality i just think they need help to repent. They dont accept Jesus Christ as their saviour and they chose to sin. Jesus died for our sins everytime they see the cross they should feel ashamed of themselves for doing that homosexual stuff. Homosexuality is a joke it is just a sick illusion of hell. Satan is a deciever do not fall for his promises.

And this is the result of what Spain did to its colonies :/

Thanks my country got over it already.

amenoameno
2011-01-31, 01:44
Life is short compared to eternity. Where do you want to spend your time in eternity? as an atheist you dont think about that! Only the pleasure of the moment.

annihilus
2011-01-31, 01:54
I thought it was proven that homosexuality was due to differences in brain development in the womb. Brain scans can show if a person is homo or hetero sexual.

Fedex
2011-01-31, 02:14
More gay people, more women to me... Unless they are lesbians... I hate lesbians, even if they are ugly, because ugly women also absorb men, that instead would be flirting the pretty girls I like to flirt with.

Anyway, if it is genetic then gays will disappear in liberal societies, because there they don't need to hide their gayness marring and having children, like they used to do.

SiegMeinKaiser
2011-01-31, 03:46
I thought it was proven that homosexuality was due to differences in brain development in the womb. Brain scans can show if a person is homo or hetero sexual.

I never heard of that anywhere. Maybe there was a study in progress but it was incomplete because of the lack of federal funding on the issue. Currently there is no "homosexuality test" or way to empirically test the difference between homosexuals and heterosexuals in humans.

Aetius
2011-01-31, 09:05
I hate lesbians, even if they are ugly
Do pretty lesbians exist? I mean, in real life... ;)

Zvit
2011-01-31, 09:07
More gay people, more women to me... Unless they are lesbians... I hate lesbians, even if they are ugly, because ugly women also absorb men, that instead would be flirting the pretty girls I like to flirt with.

Anyway, if it is genetic then gays will disappear in liberal societies, because there they don't need to hide their gayness marring and having children, like they used to do.

Sorry. Haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

Helios
2011-01-31, 09:22
Sorry. Haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

He's basically saying that they are ok with him because it means there less competition for him to pick up girls.

He's also saying that he doesn't like lesbians since they not only date other women, but they are not there to date other men which means there will be many single men looking for women alongside him.

Hope that was a good enough translation.

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Do pretty lesbians exist? I mean, in real life... ;)

Not many that I saw. I think most lesbian porno stars are faked lesbians too, doing it for cash.

SiegMeinKaiser
2011-01-31, 23:53
Sorry. Haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

The other poster explained what he meant in the first paragraph but in the second paragraph he is talking about the possibility of homosexuality being genetic. If there was some mutilation that caused a homosexual gene, then it must have spread since the homosexual population is extremely large compared to a having a reproduction output of 0%. If the "homosexual gene theory" is true then homosexuality must have spread because of closeted homosexuals, who felt repressed because of society.


In liberal society, a sort of natural eugenics takes place. Instead of gassing a harmful gene out of humanity's gene pool, homosexuals can just "come out" and not have children. The process can further progress when homosexuals can adopt and be married, so they don't have a domestic feel to leave their "love partner" for a female or have children some other way.

Alternatively, some people believe the idea of a homosexual gene, or string of genes is imaginary. There has been no direct evidence so far that homosexuality is genetic mainly because the lack of real scientific insight into the issue. The left identity in america have held the opinion that it is genetic but grief that few doctors and scientists agree. They generally blame the conservative influence that many doctors and scientists adhere to.

What has been noted is that homosexuality isn't caused by pressure from society. Or at least a person cannot be raised as a girl and become expected to act like one. There have been a string of studies into this and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11814300 is one of the stories. The American Psychiatric association also removed homosexuality from it's list of psychiatric disorders (which is also true of pedophilia recently).

Maverick
2011-02-01, 00:11
I read this very intereresting book called Brain Sex and it basically states that homosexuality is an abnormality that is developed during development in the womb. The baby is "washed" with female hormone causing the child to develop female tendencies in the brain. Technically speaking homosexuality can be "made."

elone
2011-02-01, 00:15
Not many that I saw. I think most lesbian porno stars are faked lesbians too, doing it for cash.

i often wonder if bisexualism is higher in women than men.id like to see some statistics because i bet it is...it doesnt seem like it would be such a hard transition hah.


alot of the girls that hang out with my muay thai circle of friends are lesbian...out of the 7 or 8 girls that all hang out wit that cirlcle about 5 are gay.i think its because the mauy thai boxing place is like a magnet for dykes or something.

Pinkpanda93
2011-02-01, 00:16
Bisexuality isn't higher in women than men. Women are just more likely to admit it if they're bi.

SiegMeinKaiser
2011-02-01, 00:22
i often wonder if bisexualism is higher in women than men.id like to see some statistics because i bet it is...it doesnt seem like it would be such a hard transition hah.


alot of the girls that hang out with my muay thai circle of friends are lesbian...out of the 7 or 8 girls that all hang out wit that cirlcle about 5 are gay.i think its because the mauy thai boxing place is like a magnet for dykes or something.

http://www.afterellen.com/node/76533

This probably doesn't answer your question but it is interesting.

Karl der Große
2011-02-01, 01:01
Do pretty lesbians exist? I mean, in real life... ;)

In some cases it's possible! She's kinda hot and dyke!

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i/partypictures/07_25_09/20_6338391654121846421430287_1_4KStolz6_072209.jpg

Pinkpanda93
2011-02-01, 05:25
Why anyone even cares what someone's sexual orientation is makes no sense to me.

OldPretan
2011-02-01, 14:40
I read this very intereresting book called Brain Sex and it basically states that homosexuality is an abnormality that is developed during development in the womb. The baby is "washed" with female hormone causing the child to develop female tendencies in the brain. Technically speaking homosexuality can be "made."

Why the assumption that homosexual males are effeminate?
http://hem.passagen.se/nicb/quinn.htm

In fact, a cross-cultural study of 148 heterosexual sons and 151 homosexual sons in families from the United States, Guatemala, Brazil, and the Philippines described this as a "culturally invariable" pattern from early childhood: "the father of a homosexual son becomes distant, detached, and hostile because he is disappointed in the effeminate son."[14] Even when fathers attempted to be close, accepting, and nurturing to sons who were effeminate or who seemed to be homosexually oriented, an American psychiatrist found that it was the boys themselves (aged six to sixteen) who had withdrawn emotionally and socially from their supportive fathers. As adults the homosexual sons blamed the fathers for this childhood estrangement.[15] Nevertheless, many of these studies acknowledge that a large proportion of male homosexuals have exhibited no effeminate behavior as children or as adults.

Grynda
2011-02-01, 17:46
Well, I remember reading about frogs not too long ago, and when the frog population gets too high in one pond, the frogs start to exhibit homosexual behaviour.

This could be the same case for humans, as we're overpopulated now, pushing 9 billion.

Sounds like a smart idea from nature.

But why is it so many gays now in the Western countries then it's Asia and Africa that need to get their population growth down.

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However, even though China and India are the most populated, they are not the most densely populated. Western Europe is actually the most densely populated part of the world, and lots of flaming gays there.

Countries in Asia with big populations and a population growth that is still very strong like Bangladesh, India, Vietnam and Philippines are actually more densily populated than most European countries.

Janos
2011-02-01, 18:27
Sounds like a smart idea from nature.

But why is it so many gays now in the Western countries then it's Asia and Africa that need to get their population growth down.

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Countries in Asia with big populations and a population growth that is still very strong like Bangladesh, India, Vietnam and Philippines are actually more densily populated than most European countries.

There are as many gays in Asian and Africa as here, only difference is they don't dare to be open with it.

Btw what do you think they do in Afghani prisons?

Zabersus
2011-02-01, 18:35
Mahmud Ahmadineyad is the personification of evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_3RUwAJ_MI), bringing swift judgment upon those sheeps that stray from the flock.

Hallelujah!

Grynda
2011-02-01, 23:11
There are as many gays in Asian and Africa as here, only difference is they don't dare to be open with it.

Btw what do you think they do in Afghani prisons?

Praying to Allah...?:p

alfieb
2011-02-01, 23:22
Btw what do you think they do in Afghani prisons?
Smuggle opium into each-other's rectal cavities the old fashioned way.

alfieb
2011-02-02, 06:19
In some cases it's possible! She's kinda hot and dyke!

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/i/partypictures/07_25_09/20_6338391654121846421430287_1_4KStolz6_072209.jpg

I'd have gone with Amber Heard over that ugly diesel.

Wickedgirl
2011-02-02, 06:31
For an anthropology forum people pay way too much attention to gay people/issues here.

Unome
2011-02-02, 06:42
For an anthropology forum people pay way too much attention to gay people/issues here.
Homosexuality actually is a very large Anthropological dilemma since 1) homosexual people cannot reproduce by definition and 2) people are uncertain whether homosexual "tendencies" are "genetic or learned".

SiegMeinKaiser
2011-02-02, 09:42
There are as many gays in Asian and Africa as here, only difference is they don't dare to be open with it.

Btw what do you think they do in Afghani prisons?

Is there any proof for this?

Grynda
2011-02-02, 11:19
Homosexuality actually is a very large Anthropological dilemma since 1) homosexual people cannot reproduce by definition and 2) people are uncertain whether homosexual "tendencies" are "genetic or learned".

It sort of make sense for evolution if overpopulation in a species causes an increase in homosexuality in order to damper the population growth.

Karl der Große
2011-02-02, 11:34
I'd have gone with Amber Heard over that ugly diesel.

Wow Amber Heard looks hot for a dyke.

Australian VJ Ruby Rose is also cool!

Aetius
2011-02-02, 13:38
^ Lesbians too?

Zabersus
2011-02-02, 15:20
Wow Amber Heard looks hot for a dyke.

Australian VJ Ruby Rose is also cool!

Ruby Rose is a hottie!

Fedex
2011-02-03, 03:35
The other poster explained what he meant in the first paragraph but in the second paragraph he is talking about the possibility of homosexuality being genetic. If there was some mutilation that caused a homosexual gene, then it must have spread since the homosexual population is extremely large compared to a having a reproduction output of 0%. If the "homosexual gene theory" is true then homosexuality must have spread because of closeted homosexuals, who felt repressed because of society.


In liberal society, a sort of natural eugenics takes place. Instead of gassing a harmful gene out of humanity's gene pool, homosexuals can just "come out" and not have children. The process can further progress when homosexuals can adopt and be married, so they don't have a domestic feel to leave their "love partner" for a female or have children some other way.

Alternatively, some people believe the idea of a homosexual gene, or string of genes is imaginary. There has been no direct evidence so far that homosexuality is genetic mainly because the lack of real scientific insight into the issue. The left identity in america have held the opinion that it is genetic but grief that few doctors and scientists agree. They generally blame the conservative influence that many doctors and scientists adhere to.

What has been noted is that homosexuality isn't caused by pressure from society. Or at least a person cannot be raised as a girl and become expected to act like one. There have been a string of studies into this and http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-11814300 is one of the stories. The American Psychiatric association also removed homosexuality from it's list of psychiatric disorders (which is also true of pedophilia recently).

Thanks, I hope my English was better.

And it's true. To prove that homosexuality is genetic or not there would have to be a scientific program considering generations of controlled breedings, which in humans is impossible.

chrispierre90
2011-02-03, 03:50
I find it very strange that people can comment on wether homosexuality is chosen or on its specific desires when they are not gay?

making a gay person straight does not work. it just ends in the gay man acting out his homosexual desires in more secret ways which in turn is screwing over his wife or girlfriend

and im gay and im actually not evil. i havnt killed any one lately.

sean
2011-02-06, 15:22
Im not homophobic but i think some TV shows are made to brain wash kids minds: Harry Potter a typical example, also Glee. Sam and Frodo in the lord of the Rings didn't help to develop masculinity in the youth.

Tyrannical
2011-02-06, 15:39
Homosexuality should probably be classified as a birth defect. A study of identical twins, where one is straight and one is gay probably rules out a strict genetic component. Therefore "something" happens to the fetus during pregnancy that gives a predisposition to homosexuality and hence a birth defect.
Once we discover what the exact mechanism is that causes it, it could perhaps be feasible to test or correct for it during pregnancy.

Geto-Thracian
2011-02-06, 16:14
I think the more we make homosexuality accepted, the faster they will eliminate themselves from participation in succeeding generations. Since more and more are not forced to live double lives and having kids while keeping their gayness hidden--slowly, these gay genes will ever more quickly be excluded in the future.

Accepting and supporting gay lifestyles is going to lead to their rapid extinction as very few will choose to have biological children--so give at 'er homos! I think this is better as they are not at all needed for humanity to succeed--they serve absolutely no evolutionary purpose.

Bauer
2011-02-06, 17:08
I think the more we make homosexuality accepted, the faster they will eliminate themselves from participation in succeeding generations. Since more and more are not forced to live double lives and having kids while keeping their gayness hidden--slowly, these gay genes will ever more quickly be excluded in the future.

Accepting and supporting gay lifestyles is going to lead to their rapid extinction as very few will choose to have biological children--so give at 'er homos! I think this is better as they are not at all needed for humanity to succeed--they serve absolutely no evolutionary purpose.
Don't they always say the "gay genes" come from the maternal line? If that is the case then it's irrelevant whether gay men have children or not.

Geto-Thracian
2011-02-06, 17:27
Don't they always say the "gay genes" come from the maternal line? If that is the case then it's irrelevant whether gay men have children or not.

IDK, but it stands to reason that people with homo tendencies are having far fewer kids now than ever before, so it has to be reducing the amount of genes that produce these leanings, getting passed on. Within a few generations, there should be far fewer homos around, even though more will be partaking in their lifestyle due to its acceptance.

I think gayness has to come from an interaction between many different genes on different chromosomes and there should also be a huge developmental component which will be harder to exclude.

SiegMeinKaiser
2011-02-07, 04:39
Im not homophobic but i think some TV shows are made to brain wash kids minds: Harry Potter a typical example, also Glee. Sam and Frodo in the lord of the Rings didn't help to develop masculinity in the youth.

I don't think those are good examples of media that promotes "the gay agenda," especially when lord of the rings is an old novel series that is masculine most of the time. Although I never seen it, I wouldn't think Glee would be intentionally made to purposely promote homosexuality in children because it is on fox.

I doubt there is any mainstream movies that attempts to coerce people into being gay, though there is no real way I can prove this. There is a possibility that the media out there that promotes "coming out" and "the gay agenda" like Six Feet Under that might unintentionally influence people into turning homosexual.

OldPretan
2011-02-07, 14:59
Im not homophobic but i think some TV shows are made to brain wash kids minds: Harry Potter a typical example, also Glee. Sam and Frodo in the lord of the Rings didn't help to develop masculinity in the youth.

I think there's subtle propagandising that it's more prevalent than it actually is. Figures like 10% are bandied about when they refer to people who've had the odd same sex experience in early adolescence and not the 3% self indentifying adults, then the experience is seized upon as evidence of true gaydom although heterosexual experiences among the 3% are not used the same way. Then there's the 'every woman needs a gay friend for shopping and heart to hearts' (after all they have a common interest in men? so women want to sodomise/ be sodomised?) - there just ain't enough to go around and still leave some cruising time - plus they'd have a lot more fun with a lesbian transexual and they're probably rarer.

The identical twin studies are misused. If the twin of a gayer is straight > 70% of the time then genetics have little to do with it.

jibarodepr
2011-02-12, 09:42
And this is the result of what Spain did to its colonies :/

Thanks my country got over it already.:whoco:Shut up.

Bauer
2011-02-12, 19:51
I'd bet that males today have rather less homosexual experience than maybe 50 to 100 years ago. The open discussions about this subject even seem to scare away many, though there could be a counter-trend during the last 10 years (because of internet-communities everyboy, who belongs to a small small minority, can find like minded folks more easily). However the peer pressure to be 100% straight even before puberty and the idea, one could be gay himself seems to be very frightening - especially since they got away from "don't worry, it's just a phase". It is replaced by the modern gay concept that you are gay for the rest of your life... and therefore many don't even want to make little homosexual experiences. My impression is that decades ago, a huge number of actually straight guys did some stuff with other boys/men although it was forbidden by the law and although people were more religious, but now it seems to be very common that men, who claim to be 100% gay actually started with heterosexuality (I'm agreeing here with what Old Pretan said before).

mnd661
2011-02-12, 21:18
I'd bet that males today have rather less homosexual experience than maybe 50 to 100 years ago. The open discussions about this subject even seem to scare away many, though there could be a counter-trend during the last 10 years (because of internet-communities everyboy, who belongs to a small small minority, can find like minded folks more easily). However the peer pressure to be 100% straight even before puberty and the idea, one could be gay himself seems to be very frightening - especially since they got away from "don't worry, it's just a phase". It is replaced by the modern gay concept that you are gay for the rest of your life... and therefore many don't even want to make little homosexual experiences. My impression is that decades ago, a huge number of actually straight guys did some stuff with other boys/men although it was forbidden by the law and although people were more religious, but now it seems to be very common that men, who claim to be 100% gay actually started with heterosexuality (I'm agreeing here with what Old Pretan said before).
Completely agree. It's no secret that homosexual acts are very common in conservative Islamic countries like Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia; not necessarily because they are gay, but due to the fact that women are completely off-limits to them. A combination of the increasing acceptance of sex before marriage and the notion of a person being intrinsically gay has very probably decreased homosexual experiences in much of the west. Can't remember where, but I think I saw a study on homosexual experiences among German youths somewhere, which found that a significant decline had occurred between the 1970s and 1990s, whereas an increasing number of people chose to self-identify as gay.

chrispierre90
2011-02-17, 04:51
i dont think masculinity needs to be evoked i think kids should just act natural and like what they like.
i know a variety of different sexual identified groups with very diverse interest that range all between masculinity and femeninity ..
trying to mold a child to adhere to a certain asthetic and by your opinion of what is correct is what creates self confidense issues and a secretive personality amongst youths.

personally im not a fan of harry potter or the glee series

Deathamphetamine
2011-02-18, 07:40
And this is the result of what Spain did to its colonies :/

Thanks my country got over it already.

Yeah, that's why you sexually harassed me through webcam the other day right? :(
No kidding.

Crypto
2011-02-18, 17:55
I would imagine that natural selection would of course weed out all the homosexual genetic variations. People always say that homosexuality is genetic, but does that mean that every homosexual has mutated genetics? It just seems odd that the same mutation would happen so often in the population. Can someone shed some light on this for me? Ot is it just speculations on?


Pleiotropy is the phenomenon in which a single gene influences several uncorrelated phenotypic traits, i.e. the gene responsible for sickle-cell disease codifies for both the appearance of this malady and for a certain degree of resistance to malaria. If an individual bears just one copy of the allele – version of the gene – codifying for sickle-cell disease he will be relatively more resistant to Malaria, whereas if he carries both alleles codifying for sickle-cell disease he will develop this ailment and, therefore, he will probably die young. That’s the reason why the allele codifying for sickle-cell disease occurs frequently in Malaria-affected regions, much more frequently than expected for spontaneous mutation events. In other words, said allele is positively selected because, despite being potentially deleterious, it can offer resistance to a very dangerous disease. Likewise, the allele or the alleles codifying for homosexuality (if these alleles do exist) may lent their bearers and advantage when present in one single copy (in this case the individual would not be homosexual, or at least he would not be completely homosexual). This is known as heterozygote advantage. In support of such hypothesis, I have observed that girls generally crave for somewhat-feminine lovers, and they rationalize this by saying that such lovers perform better in bed because they understand a woman’s needs.

Hue-man
2011-02-18, 23:19
But I think humans can't control sexual attraction
that's why the sin is acting gay not being gay

You religious folk sure have some serious cognitive dissonance going on.

Isn't there some evolutionary foundation for every animal behavior no matter how indirect? Hell, I'm sure there is an evolutionary foundation for why some people like to have sex with dogs, livestock, children, dead bodies and trees. I mean no offense to homosexuals or bisexuals by stating that. I'm just saying that all animal behaviors can probably be reduced to evolutionary psychology and biology.

Wolverine
2011-03-15, 15:30
No-one is born 'homosexual', but no-one chooses to become a homosexual. Both recessive genetics and cognitive environment affect its development. Homosexuality is not the same for both genders by the way.

Also, in many cultures where homosexuality is shunned, closeted homosexual people do marry straight people and have children, passing on the genes regardless.

Balder
2011-03-16, 19:38
I think that homosexuality has a genetic component, or as some theories like (the male embryo may have received less testosterone than normal during the period of gestation). But it seems to me, the greatest influence is environmental (determinism). Each person is a unique experiment of nature as a result of the interaction between their neural circuits genetically inherited through life experience.

Sisyphus
2011-03-16, 21:31
I'd like to know how often a naturally occurring intersexed state coincides with gay-lesbian sentiments, and if it is more frequent in the intersexed than in persons with only one anatomical gender.

Bauer
2011-03-16, 21:54
I'd like to know how often a naturally occurring intersexed state coincides with gay-lesbian sentiments, and if it is more frequent in the intersexed than in persons with only one anatomical gender.
the only transsexual I know first said she only likes men, then a few weeks later that she (shortly after her male to female surgery) would be lesbian and not liking men at all and now she's bisexual and has a boyfriend somewhere.