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Põhjamaalane
2011-02-03, 10:59
The President of the Republic at a banquet in honour of Their Royal Majesties Swedish King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia Stockholm, 18 January 2011 (http://www.president.ee/en/official-duties/speeches/5514-the-president-of-the-republic-at-a-banquet-in-honour-of-their-royal-majesties-swedish-king-carl-xvi-gustaf-and-queen-silvia-stockholm-18-january-2011/index.html)


Your Majesties
King Carl XVI Gustaf and
Queen Silvia,
Your Royal Highnesses,
Ladies and gentlemen,



It gives me great pleasure to visit Sweden, a friendly country that is close to the hearts of Estonians, and to convey our thanks and regards. No country on earth has had a greater influence on Estonia’s history and present course.

Our history and our current affairs have become entwined in a manner unprecedented anywhere in the world. The countless ties between Sweden and Estonia date back even to before the Viking era. The Ynglinga Saga makes mention of how King Yngvar of Svealand made an incursion to Estonia, fell in battle and was buried by the sea in Adalsysla.

Much later, the 16th and 17th century became instilled in the minds of Estonians as the “good old Swedish era.” Reduction of landed estates, emancipation of the Estonian peasants from serfdom on crown manors, establishment of parish schools and initiatives to educate the population all led to sweeping changes in the nation’s psyche. The flowers that budded in the good old Swedish era are in full bloom today, showing that the seed fell on fertile soil. The Estonian literacy rate was more than 90% at the end of the 19th century and the Academia Gustaviana founded in Tartu more than 380 years ago is still operating fruitfully. This institution has had an invaluable influence on science, education and culture in Estonia and the entire Baltic region.

The passing of centuries could not extinguish the ethos of the good Swedish era, nor is it surprising that the Estonians who fled to Sweden in 1944 kept alive their dream of restoring an independent Estonian state. After all, “the worst feeling of all is losing your faith in your country and homeland,” wrote the writer August Gailit, who lived in exile in Sweden.

More than 20,000 Estonians found safe refuge on the other shore of the Baltic Sea. For a time, before moving on to America, my family was among them, and Stockholm is the city of my birth. But Estonians found much more here – an understanding and supportive attitude, and opportunities for getting a good education and becoming full-fledged members of Swedish society. Sweden became a second home and remained so for decades.

Thanks to all this, when we started to rebuild our own country 20 years ago, we were able to draw on Swedish advice and Sweden’s experience of living in the free world, which was especially essentially and welcome. Estonian economic and cultural life received a boost, and so did the foreign service and government service as a whole. This is Sweden’s contribution to Estonia’s future and as such it is very highly appreciated. But in a similar manner, we can find Swedish Estonians among Sweden’s diplomats, politicians, artists and businessmen. The contribution has thus proved to be mutually strengthening and conductive to mutual understanding.

Viewed from either the east or west shore of the Baltic, we are currently living in the most secure, peaceful era history has known. The door to this era was opened for Estonia by very strong support and carefully considered actions of our friends both near and far. Swedish diplomat Lars Fredén, an insider in Sweden’s Baltic policy circles in the 1990s, wrote the following in his memoirs: “It is actually noteworthy that former torturers, prison guards and informers who are now in their retirement lived, and still do live, side by side with their victims, without anything happening.” Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians are peaceable peoples. Sweden must be thankful that things went as they did.”

Sweden’s support for Estonian integration with the European Union was conspicuous in all fields, but the political and moral support was the most important: it led to a sense of security about the future, a future that is in our own hands and which we can use for building, once more, a safe, secure and free home.

Today Sweden and Estonia are good partners in the European Union and see many issues the same way. We are developing the Baltic Sea strategy further. We support European Union enlargement and integration of the Eastern Partnership. Estonia and Sweden are also united by successful cooperation in the field of development assistance. We offer public servants in Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova training programs at the Estonian School of Diplomacy. These programs have now evolved into a Eastern Partnership training centre to be opened shortly in Tallinn, above all intended to support these countries on their road to reforms, partly on the basis of Estonia's own experience.

Thanks to Sweden, we were able to build our own national defence structures faster. Today Estonia is a member of the world’s strongest defence organization, and along with Sweden we contribute to broader security as part of the NATO-led ISAF mission in Afghanistan and the European Union’s Nordic Battle Group. In facing today’s challenges, we put great importance on cooperation with Sweden in the field of cybersecurity. We have provided advice and assistance to each other also in dealing with this new and growing security threat. As a natural continuation, we will be discussing relevant cooperation opportunities at tomorrow’s cybersecurity seminar at the National Defence College, where a number of Estonian cyber-experts are currently studying.

The Minister of Foreign Affairs Carl Bildt, who is likewise one of my best Swedish friends, called Estonia the European economic tiger. Major investments from Sweden have a role in this. Particularly at the beginning of re-independence, these investments lent credibility to the choices Estonia made in the eyes of the world. With the good state of its national finances, Estonia currently confirms the traditional Nordic understanding of accountability and sustainability.

Both Estonia and Sweden are emerging from the recession stronger than they were before. Forecasts are calling for Estonian economic growth to be the highest in the Eurozone this year. The Swedish economy has recovered at a record pace and the forecasts are optimistic. As of December we are also partners in the OECD. It is clear that accession to the Eurozone will raise the attractiveness of the Estonian economy even more, by contributing to new job growth, innovation and stimulating trade. It is a quality label that supports the primary values for the economy – trust and self-confidence. If we are sure of ourselves, others will have confidence in us, too.

Your Majesties,
Your Royal Highnesses,

The kings of Sweden have had contacts with Estonia since the 14th century, the time of Magnus Eriksson. The historical continuity and the Swedish royal family’s ties with Estonia are symbolized by Swedish St. Michael’s Church in Tallinn. Alongside Your Majesty, the names of your father Gustaf Adolf, grandfather Gustaf VI Adolf and great-grandfather Gustaf V are also memorialized on the marble plaque there.

In April 1992 Estonia was dressed in resplendent array on the occasion of the first visit to the country by King Carl XVI Gustaf and Queen Silvia. This was a historic moment. It was as if the white ship, which had symbolized the two-way maritime relations of the era 50 years prior, had finally called in Tallinn’s port in the form of the M/S Visborg. At no time before or since then has Tallinn seen more people on hand to welcome a ship.

Yet the first crowned head of Sweden to make a state visit to Estonia was Gustaf V in June 1929, in a return visit after Estonian head of state Jaan Tõnisson travelled to Sweden on the occasion of the King’s 70th birthday. When, a few years later, the last pre-war Estonian ambassador to Stockholm, Heinrich Laretei, presented his credentials to King Gustaf V, Laretei had managed to utter only “Votre Majesté“, before the king stepped up to meet him, accepted his credentials and said: “Let us dispense with the decorum and sit down by the window and have a chat.”

In the same manner, without excess pomp, and springing from genuine interest and trust, our relations are developing today as well, 75 years later. We sit and have a chat, discuss the current issues, take pleasure in each other’s successes. We are able to draw on our mutual friendship and together take strides toward future challenges. This is a foundation that will endure over time.

I thank you for your friendship, support and generosity.

Let us raise our glasses in your honour, and to Sweden’s health and prosperity!

One interesting fact about Toomas Hendrik Ilves is that he writes his speeches independently, unlike other presidents.

Polako
2011-02-03, 11:12
Oh my god, I laughed, then I cried, and then laughed again. What a roller coaster ride of emotions.

Thanks for posting.

alfieb
2011-02-03, 11:14
Maybe if he had speechwriters he wouldn't have come across as a brown-nosing kiss-ass.

I'm sure he likes Sweden, but it sounds almost as though he likes Sweden more than he likes Estonia.

Kaiku
2011-02-03, 11:19
One interesting fact about Toomas Hendrik Ilves is that he writes his speeches independently, unlike other presidents.

I can just imagine Mr. Ilves laboring away on his speech by candlelight, wearing his already infamous bow tie. :p

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Maybe if he had speechwriters he wouldn't have come across as a brown-nosing kiss-ass.

I'm sure he likes Sweden, but it sounds almost as though he likes Sweden more than he likes Estonia.

Indeed. Of all the people in this world Carl XVI Gustaf is just about the last person to deserve appraisal and ass-kissing. Old pervert. :D :lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/8114740/Swedes-in-shock-at-King-Carl-Gustaf-sex-scandal.html

Karl der Große
2011-02-03, 12:20
Indeed. Of all the people in this world Carl XVI Gustaf is just about the last person to deserve appraisal and ass-kissing. Old pervert. :D :lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/8114740/Swedes-in-shock-at-King-Carl-Gustaf-sex-scandal.html

Lolz, why they care? Are the Swedes a bunch of puritans dressed in liberals? Check Italy with their emperor Berlusconi, they're giving a shit for what he's doing.

Unurautare
2011-02-03, 12:44
Oh my god, I laughed, then I cried, and then laughed again. What a roller coaster ride of emotions.

Thanks for posting.

What roller coaster?(unless you were being sarcastic) it was the same ride from head to finish "Sweden,I wuv u! yes I do". :P
The man loves Sweden,although I think that estonians are close to germans too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastic_State_of_the_Teutonic_Knights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Mariana (principality of the Holy Roman Empire)

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-03, 12:44
Oh my god, I laughed, then I cried, and then laughed again. What a roller coaster ride of emotions.

Thanks for posting.

Do you know what makes me laugh and cry? You having a Polish flag under your name and having the username "Polako". As far as I know, you are not a Pole.


Maybe if he had speechwriters he wouldn't have come across as a brown-nosing kiss-ass.

I'm sure he likes Sweden, but it sounds almost as though he likes Sweden more than he likes Estonia.


I can just imagine Mr. Ilves laboring away on his speech by candlelight, wearing his already infamous bow tie. :p

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Indeed. Of all the people in this world Carl XVI Gustaf is just about the last person to deserve appraisal and ass-kissing. Old pervert. :D :lol:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/8114740/Swedes-in-shock-at-King-Carl-Gustaf-sex-scandal.html


I never realized that I am in a forum full of "rednecks", all serious and informative economic topics are trolled and so is this thread trolled. Some of you people do not value anything high-brow.

Janos
2011-02-03, 12:45
You can't be a fullfilled emperor unless you've had at least one sex scandal;)

Does Mr. Ilvers have a son?
Maybe he's looking for this as daughter-in-law?
51500
(you have to agree she's much hotter than Victoria)

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-03, 12:50
What roller coaster?(unless you were being sarcastic) it was the same ride from head to finish "Sweden,I wuv u! yes I do". :P
The man loves Sweden,although I think that estonians are close to germans too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monastic_State_of_the_Teutonic_Knights
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Mariana (principality of the Holy Roman Empire)

Yeah, so close that Estonian soldiers fighting the Russian reds on eastern front in 1919, during the Estonian independence war, quite often deserted to the southern front to have a chance to kill some Germans. ;)

Ozrage
2011-02-03, 12:55
Quite flattering speech. Any particular reason why this thread is in Suomalainen Foorumi? And what is to be discussed?

Unurautare
2011-02-03, 12:57
Yeah, so close that Estonian soldiers fighting the Russian reds on eastern front in 1919, during the Estonian independence war, quite often deserted to the southern front to have a chance to kill some Germans. ;)

Haha,nice. :P

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-03, 13:34
Quite flattering speech.

He was visiting the Swedish king, thus it had to be flattering and Ilves is also quite good with speeches. ;)


Any particular reason why this thread is in Suomalainen Foorumi? And what is to be discussed?

Aino gave me permission to post Estonian threads into the Suomalainen Foorumi until an Estonian section (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=11749&page=14) is created.

Grynda
2011-02-03, 14:59
Quite flattering speech. Any particular reason why this thread is in Suomalainen Foorumi? And what is to be discussed?

Estonians and Finns share this forum. And it's also interesting to see that Estonians contrary to Forest Finns know how to show good manners and be polite to their hosts while visiting foreign countries.

Kaiku
2011-02-03, 15:41
Estonians and Finns share this forum. And it's also interesting to see that Estonians contrary to Forest Finns know how to show good manners and be polite to their hosts while visiting foreign countries.

Forest Finns "foreign" to Sweden (or Norway for that matter)? Please check your facts, missy. Here you go. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Finns

Grynda
2011-02-03, 16:00
Forest Finns "foreign" to Sweden (or Norway for that matter)? Please check your facts, missy. Here you go. ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forest_Finns

Yes you are right, Forest Finns was not the right word.:ashamed:

Pallantides
2011-02-03, 16:00
estonians and finns share this forum. And it's also interesting to see that estonians contrary to forest finns know how to show good manners and be polite to their hosts while visiting foreign countries.

?

http://www.skogfinner.no/

Kaiku
2011-02-03, 16:04
?

http://www.skogfinner.no/

I think she´s trying to refer to Finns as backwards forest dwelling Uralic thralls with no manners. Is that better, Grynda? You can use that next time. :lol:

Lemminkäinen
2011-02-03, 18:00
Estonians and Finns share this forum. And it's also interesting to see that Estonians contrary to Forest Finns know how to show good manners and be polite to their hosts while visiting foreign countries.

Do you mean Paavo Lipponen by the forest Finn? I certanly agree ;)


During a break and while we were standing in the toilet queue, the burly figure of Lipponen was ahead of me. He was angry. Lipponen was furious - he literally radiated anger. I had probably said something in my speech which was not to the liking of him and Finland", Persson recalls.
"Lipponen turned to me and said in a low, clear voice, emphasising every syllable, which is why his speech is always so unbearably slow: ‘You should watch out!’"
"It felt very awkward, but right at that moment, the toilet door opened, and out came a smiling Mandela. He looked at me and Paavo, greeted us in a friendly manner, and we exchanged a few words." The arrival of Nelson Mandela seems to have defused the tension.


http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Paavo+Lipponen+snapped+at+G%C3%B6ran+Persson+in+to ilet+queue/1135231273256

Kyte
2011-02-03, 18:07
That's pretty pathetic actually, he should employ some speech writers.

Grynda
2011-02-03, 18:37
I think she´s trying to refer to Finns as backwards forest dwelling Uralic thralls with no manners. Is that better, Grynda? You can use that next time. :lol:

Yep. Thanks:) You can be my ghostwriter.;)

Kaiku
2011-02-03, 18:42
Do you mean Paavo Lipponen by the forest Finn? I certanly agree ;)



http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Paavo+Lipponen+snapped+at+G%C3%B6ran+Persson+in+to ilet+queue/1135231273256

lol Paavo is a riot isn´t he? My mom once sat close to him on a flight to Paris and apparently the expression on his face didn´t change at any point nor did he say a word to his wife during the whole 3 hour flight. He just sat there glumly looking ahead. My brother also had a brief encounter with this curmudgeon extraordinaire when he worked as a cashier at Stockmann. Pave was buying a book and didn´t seem too cheerful this time around either. Now this part may be of interest to Grynda. He bought a book in Swedish and is know to be a passionate Swedophile so I guess that pretty much makes him the poster boy for Finland-Swedes. But at the the same time he´s also like the ultimate "forest Finn" if there ever was one. A very interesting combination. :lol:

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Yep. Thanks:) You can be my ghostwriter.;)

Just like you´re PTG´s. :evilgrin: Just joking, just joking. :p

Dave
2011-02-06, 17:13
I think he is looking to bring in some Swedish trade :p and probably Swedish immigration to replace the Russian one they have to stop now that they're in the EU.

If I were Estonia I would give Swedes free houses just to have them immigrate to Estonia instead of Russians, lol.

(nothing against Russians)

Ēriks
2011-02-06, 17:18
Estonia can recieve all scum from Sweden. :D
Pakis are now "Swedes".

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-06, 19:20
I think he is looking to bring in some Swedish trade :p and probably Swedish immigration to replace the Russian one they have to stop now that they're in the EU.

If I were Estonia I would give Swedes free houses just to have them immigrate to Estonia instead of Russians, lol.

(nothing against Russians)

You're out of your mind, I haven't read anything this dumb in years. :|

Dave
2011-02-06, 19:29
The reason I say it is because the population for your country is too low to maintain yourselves, you guys need a bit of a boost, either by paying Estonians for having kids or bringing in immigrants.

thats the only reason they allow Russians to enter, otherwise they wouldn't.

In Spain they tried to offer $2,000 euros per new kid, but I don't think it was enough.

Evi
2011-02-06, 19:37
The reason I say it is because the population for your country is too low to maintain yourselves, you guys need a bit of a boost, either by paying Estonians for having kids or bringing in immigrants.

thats the only reason they allow Russians to enter, otherwise they wouldn't.

In Spain they tried to offer $2,000 euros per new kid, but I don't think it was enough.
Immigrants without proper education, good jobs etc. for sure don't give boost for country's economics. Immigration politics in Western Europen have proven to be failed. In post-Soviet countries more or less too. In Estonia there is a Russian-speaking immigrant community, who, although do contribute something in country's economics, make problems in society, destabilise political situation etc.

One has to be careful, very careful with immigration policy in an European country. A lot of bad experiences have been so far.

Freewheel
2011-02-08, 11:25
A bootlick speech.



I'm sure he likes Sweden, but it sounds almost as though he likes Sweden more than he likes Estonia.
Well, you may be right.He is a so called foreign Estonian, born Sweden and grown up in USA.He came to Estonia about 10-15 years ago.He speaks Estonian with slight accent and many Estonians consider him more like a foreigner, american, yankee, westerner etc and not a real Estonian.
Also many Estonians dislike him because his arrogant attitude towards ordinary people.

Ironically, this mediterranean looking Ilves has been the main person who has propagated Estonia as a Nordic country.So, no wonder if he loves his Sweden so much.

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-08, 14:57
A bootlick speech.

Well, you may be right.He is a so called foreign Estonian, born Sweden and grown up in USA.He came to Estonia about 10-15 years ago.He speaks Estonian with slight accent and many Estonians consider him more like a foreigner, american, yankee, westerner etc and not a real Estonian.
Also many Estonians dislike him because his arrogant attitude towards ordinary people.

Ironically, this mediterranean looking Ilves has been the main person who has propagated Estonia as a Nordic country.So, no wonder if he loves his Sweden so much.

Estonians do not view him as a foreigner. The support for him is very high and very probably he will be our president for a 2nd term.

By the way, keep in mind that the prime minister candidate of the Estonian Green party is one of the strongest supporters of the Nordic version of the Estonian flag, will you not vote for the Green party now? ;)

Ozrage
2011-02-08, 15:46
Nordic version of the Estonian flag
What is this?

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-08, 15:56
What is this?

It is something that was proposed already in 1919, but contrary to other newly independent countries, we had a flag since 1884.

The supporters of the Nordic version of the Estonian flag in 1919 and 1999 are saying the same thing. "Estonians are Nordic people and a Nordic cross flag would make it clearer to the rest of the world".

We were Nordic in 1919 and much hasn't changed, thus some people want to change our beautiful tricolor flag. But I think that having a different flag doesn't even slightly play a role in the fact that Estonians being obviously ethnoculturally Nordic.


In 2001, politician Kaarel Tarand suggested that the flag be changed from a tricolour to a Scandinavian-style cross design with the same colours.[3] Supporters of this design claim that a tricolour gives Estonia the image of a post-Soviet or Eastern European country, while a cross design would symbolise the country's links with Nordic countries. Several Nordic cross designs were proposed already in 1919, when the state flag was officially adopted, two of which are shown here. As the tricolour is considered an important national symbol, the proposal did not achieve widespread popularity.

Estonians consider themselves a Nordic people rather than Balts,[4][5] based on their cultural and historical ties with Sweden, Denmark and particularly Finland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Estonia

Some people are more fed up, with being considered "Eastern-European Slavs", than others. Thus some people think that Estonians themselves being purely Nordic isn't enough and want the rest of the world to know that too.

sean
2011-02-08, 17:00
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Estonia
Some people are more fed up, with being considered "Eastern-European Slavs", than others. Thus some people think that Estonians themselves being purely Nordic isn't enough and want the rest of the world to know that too.

I like that flag, all the Scandinavians flags are pretty, im not a religious fanatic but i like the Christian symbols represented on the flags.

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-08, 17:21
I like that flag, all the Scandinavians flags are pretty, im not a religious fanatic but i like the Christian symbols represented on the flags.

Ironically, Nordic people are the least religious people in the world. Estonians are the least religious people in the world, with the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians following the Estonians in the top 4.

Day Tripper
2011-02-08, 17:23
Ironically, Nordic people are the least religious people in the world. Estonians are the least religious people in the world, with the Swedes, Danes and Norwegians following the Estonians in the top 4.

I think the Czechs are up there too.

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-08, 17:27
I think the Czechs are up there too.

But not in the top 4.

#1 Nordic #2 Nordic #3 Nordic #4 Nordic... The Nordic people are the least religious people in the world, there are Europeans who are also barely religious, but you got my point.

Evi
2011-02-08, 17:55
Why non-religious Estonians would want a flag with Christian symbol? Wouldn't it be little bit contradicting?

I am sure Lithuanians or Poles would more deserve a flag with cross.

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-08, 18:14
Why non-religious Estonians would want a flag with Christian symbol? Wouldn't it be little bit contradicting?

I am sure Lithuanians or Poles would more deserve a flag with cross.

When people see a Nordic cross flag, they do not think about Christianity.

Anyway, stop trolling the thread with your Estonian-envy. I personally think that our beautiful tricolor Estonian flag from 1884 shouldn't be replaced with a Nordic cross flag. Estonians are obviously Nordic, a new flag wouldn't change anything.

Day Tripper
2011-02-08, 18:35
But not in the top 4.

#1 Nordic #2 Nordic #3 Nordic #4 Nordic... The Nordic people are the least religious people in the world, there are Europeans who are also barely religious, but you got my point.

Yep, I've found the rankings. The Czechs are #5 behind Estonians and Scandinavians in response to the question: "Is religion an important part of your daily life?"

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This would include more apathetic religious people as well, though. The statistics for atheism specifically show the same #1 (Estonia) and the same top 5 in general, but the Czechs are up at #2.

If you go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism), the top 5 expressing a lack of a belief in God (i.e. atheism) are:

1. Estonia
2. Czech Republic
3. Sweden
4. Denmark
5. Norway

Põhjamaalane
2011-02-08, 18:59
Yep, I've found the rankings. The Czechs are #5 behind Estonians and Scandinavians in response to the question: "Is religion an important part of your daily life?"

52487

This would include more apathetic religious people as well, though. The statistics for atheism specifically show the same #1 (Estonia) and the same top 5 in general, but the Czechs are up at #2.

If you go here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_atheism), the top 5 expressing a lack of a belief in God (i.e. atheism) are:

1. Estonia
2. Czech Republic
3. Sweden
4. Denmark
5. Norway

The Czech are 2nd by the 2005 statistics. By the most recent statistics, they are 5th after the Nordic people.