Poland's overlaps and sthng else

[Kwestos]

I calculated an overlap of Y halogroups between Poland and a few other countries, basing on these numbers:
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_y-dna_haplogroups_by_region.shtml

The numbers in % show how many % people of a given population have the same Y groups with people of Poland.

Country overlap.
Slovakia 79%
Belarus 77%
Czech Rep. 73%
Ukraine 73%
Hungary 71%
Russia 70%
Austria 62%
Croatia 58%
Lithuania 57%
Norway 54%
Romania 54%
Bulgaria 52%
Sweden 49%
Germany 47%
Greece 46%
Iceland 45%
Denmark 42%
Netherland 37%
Scotland 36%
England 35%
Turkey 35%
France 35%
Italy 33%
Spain 33%
Portugal 31%
Cyprus 28%
Finland 19%



In general my conclusion is that if just taken these numbers in consideration the similarity stroke me. nearly 4/5 of Poland's population the same Y with Slovakia, its nearly like the same nation. Very close to that with.
But even on the bottom of the list it is still around 1/3 of population, would be badly more, taking into consideration split of R into R1a and R1b.

[4717]

>Hungary 71%

Internet lie.

+ Hungary belongs to Slovakia

[Kwestos]

Sorry I didnt get that?

I used the numbers provided when you click on the link, I cannot guarantee if them are credible or not; anyway, I took this site through this forum.

[Kwestos]

I checked over something else about those overlaps.
When one takes into consideration these exact number in the form provided, the results may be astonishing and even amusing.

For instance:

England's overlap with Spain is 82%, with Portugal is 74%
England's overlap with Norway is 51% and with Sweden is 45%

It literally means that England is a way closer to Iberian countries than to Scandinavia. Even though Englos speak Germanic language like Scandos and definitely look much more similar to Scandos than to Iberos.

[Polako]

Kwestos,

These haplogroups can be divided into many different subclades, many of which have't been discovered yet. But suffice to say that R1b in one part of Europe, might be so different from another, that they might as well be different haplogroups.

Also, obviously, you're also looking at one half of the inheritance, which might not show much correlation with genome wide genetic structure anyway, due to drift or founder effect, etc.

If you really want to know about European genetic substructures, then start looking at the 22 autosomal chromosomes, and then all the different subclades of Y-DNA and mtDNA haplogroups.

[Kwestos]

Yeah, thanks for info.
I am doing it a little bit for fun. Obviously I dont "believe" in simple answers, but it stroke me how the general look on this may be confusing, thats it.

[JaM]

I don't think this is 100% valid, and it only shows the paternal lineages (and not in the detail that Polako talks about)

Just to show how useless it really is -

Try to compare Wales people with the Cameroonian Ouldeme people, both around 95% R1b!!

I think Polako is right, perhaps there will be a greater revision of all the haplogroups in the future, depending on interpretations. There has already been some revisions, so I wouldn't take the present state as gospel.

[Radagast]

I've seen many Spaniards and Portugese who look British. ie: Dolichocephalic brunettes.

It's quite obvious there are external populations changing British and Iberians respectively. For the former, it's a far northern blonde population that was probably never in Iberia much, at least not on a large scale. For the Iberians it's likely the late invaders/settlers of Arabs/Moors.