How many races are in the human species?

[Malcolm Z]

Do you agree with the 3-race shceme of old (White/Yellow/Black or Caucasoid/Mongoloid/Negroid)? How many races do you think there are?

[quotablepatella]

In my opinion, there is only one "race", but many clines and ethnic groups.

[Cail]

4+2 major Races (Europid, Negroid, Australoid, Mongoloid + Amerind and Khoi-San if we count them). Plus huge variety of subraces in each of them, mixed types et cetera et cetera.

[bleck]

White Nationalist defintion: 2 races. Aryans or muds.

[Malcolm Z]

It'd be good if people could detail what races they think there are, like Cail did.

[Wulffie]

4+2 major Races (Europid, Negroid, Australoid, Mongoloid + Amerind and Khoi-San if we count them). Plus huge variety of subraces in each of them, mixed types et cetera et cetera.

I say there is one Race, all of these are subraces and within the subraces there are varying types :p

:)

[Prophetess]

I'd say 4:

Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Australoid and Negrid

[Decimator]

I'd go with 5.

Caucasoid
Negroid
Capoid
Australoid
Mongoloid

I don't consider Native Americans as a different race. The more you go North the more they resemble Siberians

[Froll]

3 races, tens of ethnic groupings, hundreds of ethnicities

[Cail]

3 races, tens of ethnic groupings, hundreds of ethnicities

Three? What about Austroloids then?

[Froll]

Three? What about Austroloids then?

I thought they counted as Negroids.......

[Wulffie]

I thought they counted as Negroids.......

No wayyyy :o

[Froll]

No wayyyy :o

I haven't seen "Australoid" or Pacific Islander on genetic tests apart from at Decodeme so I assumed they counted as a "African" group or something

[Decimator]

Aren't Asstraloids considered as "Asian" in 23andMe?

[Cail]

I thought they counted as Negroids.......

They aren't even related :<. The only thing in common is their dark skin, it is convergent.

[Froll]

They aren't even related :<. The only thing in common is their dark skin, it is convergent.

Fair enough, 4 or 5 races-depending on Capoids, etc etc.

[Sanjub_Saraswati]

Caucasoid is bullshit-

What the hell does this

http://mybookofrai.typepad.com/cuisinealgerienne/images/pc11.jpg



have to do with this????


http://www.vassaeggen.se/bild/lars_adaktusson140.jpg

That berber shares nothing with the swede, culturally, linguistically, phenotipically, genetically, nothing!

[Cail]

Caucasoid is bullshit-

What the hell does this

http://mybookofrai.typepad.com/cuisinealgerienne/images/pc11.jpg



have to do with this????


http://www.vassaeggen.se/bild/lars_adaktusson140.jpg

That berber shares nothing with the swede, culturally, linguistically, phenotipically, genetically, nothing!


Lol. Everything. They might be different within the caucasoid race, but they are genetically (and phenotypically) 100 times closer to each other than to any Black/Asian/etc. It's about clustering. Clusters may have inner diversity, but it is much less than diversity between different clusters.

Linguistically most (like 95%) whites are either IndoEuropean or AfroAsiatic.

Cultures can be very different ofc.

[Prophetess]

Yeah Negroids are supposedly the most distant of all races from Australoids :)

[Cail]

Yeah Negroids are supposedly the most distant of all races from Australoids :)

How come South-East Asians are more related to Austroloids than to other Asians :o? They must mean some Austronesian groups like Negritos et cetera. Majority of SE Asians (like Vietnamese, Thai..) aren't closer to Austroloids.

[Wulffie]

How come South-East Asians are more related to Austroloids than to other Asians :o? They must mean some Austronesian groups like Negritos et cetera. Majority of SE Asians (like Vietnamese, Thai..) aren't closer to Austroloids.

Australoids originally inhabited most of south/southeast asia before they sailed the ocean to Australia...didn't they?

[Sanjub_Saraswati]

Lol. Everything. They might be different within the caucasoid race, but they are genetically (and phenotypically) 100 times closer to each other than to any Black/Asian/etc. It's about clustering. Clusters may have inner diversity, but it is much less than diversity between different clusters.

Linguistically most (like 95%) whites are either IndoEuropean or AfroAsiatic.

Cultures can be very different ofc.

Did you just say that 95% whites are either IE or AA? You know AA is an African phyllum right? I hope you were not on some strong substance when you wrote that, coz most speakers of AA are found in NE-Africa.

Secondly that berber has more in common with lets say an Ethiopian both genetically, phenotipically, linguistically and probably culturally than he does that swede above, so you don't make sense when you proclaim that he's 100 times closer to the swede than any black population. The caucasoid group needs some severe reform or it should be thrown at the dustbin, since it's extremely fragile and nonsensical.

[bleck]

Caucasoid is bullshit-

What the hell does this

http://mybookofrai.typepad.com/cuisinealgerienne/images/pc11.jpg



have to do with this????


http://www.vassaeggen.se/bild/lars_adaktusson140.jpg

That berber shares nothing with the swede, culturally, linguistically, phenotipically, genetically, nothing!

Okay.

[Prophetess]

How come South-East Asians are more related to Austroloids than to other Asians :o? They must mean some Austronesian groups like Negritos et cetera. Majority of SE Asians (like Vietnamese, Thai..) aren't closer to Austroloids.


Yeah I'm guessing it is Austronesians. The whole SE Asian/Australoid issue is so confusing, I'm still trying to figure it out :whoco:

I think some people like to claim Australoid influence for any Mongoloid type that doesn't have extreme mongoloid features, like some Amerind tribes and SE Asians. But then again, I did read some study where Cambodians were said to be hybridized with Australoid, not sure how much truth there is to that though :|

This guy (http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/are-amerindians-related-to-polynesians/) has written about some of this in his blog, he has some convincing theories about Amerind origins. He thinks that the people who crossed the Bering Strait weren't yet specialized as East Asians but were more of a transitional type or Proto-Mongolid type that looked similar to the Ainu. They were basically not Australoid but not really modern East Asians either.

[JaM]

Lemme see, if we have to categorize like that, I would say:
Capoid
Pygmy (I'm uncertain about that one)
Negrito
Australoid
Negroid
Caucasoid
Mongoloid
Melanesid
Amerindian

There's still some people I can't really place, like Polynesians, but maybe they're some sort of Mongoloid/Melanesid connection?

There's a lot of people of varying degree of more than one of those races.

Smallest number, if we exclude pygmies and consider them Negroids, is 8 races, possibly more. I just can't put any of those I mentioned in the same category. some would say Melanesid=Australoid, but I don't think so.

I could just as well have voted option one, but the "one race: Human race" just don't work with me, either there are races, or there aren't.

[Cail]

Did you just say that 95% whites are either IE or AA? You know AA is an African phyllum right? I hope you were not on some strong substance when you wrote that, coz most speakers of AA are found in NE-Africa.

Afroasiatics are mostly racially Caucasoid. Semites, Egyptians, Berbers are white. They are a world of their own of course, but their ties to Europeans (especially those of Semites and Egyptians) are strong. And surely they have nothing to do with Sub-Saharan Africans, absolutely. Northern Africa is and always culturally and racially closely connected with European civilization.

Ethiopians are an exception, they are a product of Afroasiatic-Negro mixing (most likely Afroasiatic elite conquering and assimilating local tribes or something).

[EliasAlucard]

Caucasoid is bullshitNot really. Check out this thread:

Genetic Landscape of Eurasia and “Admixture” in Uyghurs (open access letter) (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=1652)
What the hell does this

http://mybookofrai.typepad.com/cuisinealgerienne/images/pc11.jpg



have to do with this????


http://www.vassaeggen.se/bild/lars_adaktusson140.jpg

That berber shares nothing with the swede, culturally, linguistically, phenotipically, genetically, nothing!You're letting pigmentation and language families play you a trick. It's like saying Negroids and Australoids are the same race because of pigmentation, when genetically, they're very separated from each other.

Anyway, I voted 5 races because I like to stick to the traditional view of 5 major races. I go with Neil Risch on this one:
http://genomebiology.com/content/figures/gb-2002-3-7-comment2007-1.jpg
The evolutionary tree of human races. Population genetic studies of world populations support the categorization into five major groups, as shown. See text for further details.
Risch et al. Genome Biology 2002 3:comment2007.1 doi:10.1186/gb-2002-3-7-comment2007
Source: Categorization of humans in biomedical research: genes, race and disease (http://genomebiology.com/2002/3/7/comment/2007)I think this sounds just about right. But I'm not so sure about Native Americans any longer, although different from East Asians, they seem to be genetically very close. And as for the Middle East and India, those with recent Negroid and Australoid admixture shouldn't count as fully Caucasian, so to say.

[Sanjub_Saraswati]

Afroasiatics are mostly racially Caucasoid. Semites, Egyptians, Berbers are white. They are a world of their own of course, but their ties to Europeans (especially those of Semites and Egyptians) are strong. And surely they have nothing to do with Sub-Saharan Africans, absolutely. Northern Africa is and always culturally and racially closely connected with European civilization.



Other than Southern Europeans (such as iberians), what does a Maghrebi have to do with lets say a Finno-uralic baltid individual like you for instance?
And what civilization have people of that corner of Europe ever been "closely connected" with that civilization of the Maghrebi populations you speak of? Be kind to enlighten me of these finno-uralic and maghrebi closely connected civilizations and people, of them being relative closer than to other groups in africa (not pointing at the niger-congo group, they are not the only ones in africa ), including the white-afro-asiatic conquered ethiopians?

[Cail]

Other than Southern Europeans (such as iberians), what does a Maghrebi have to do with lets say a Finno-uralic baltid individual like you for instance?
To begin with, i'm not Finnic or Uralic, i am Baltic/Slavic, and "Finn" is actually an insult here (they are perceived as being alien, former forest deer-herders. Balts and Slavs do not understand their languages and culture).

What i and Maghrebi have in common? Genetics of course. We are the opposite within the Euro cluster, but we both belong to it. We are closer to each other than any of us is to any non-Caucasoid person, even though we are divided geographically.



And what civilization have people of that corner of Europe ever been "closely connected" with that civilization of the Maghrebi populations...

European civilization (from Antiquity to Renaissance to Modern times) have had been in a constant contact with north-African/middle-Eastern one. Trade, wars, cultural exchange never stopped. Both civilization influenced immensely on each other (Europe has been following an Afro-Asiatic religion for 2 millenias, hellenistic influence in the Middle-East is even older, and is second strongest after the Islamic one).


...relative closer than to other groups in africa, including the white-afro-asiatic conquered ethiopians?
Ethiopians are Africans that were heavily influenced by that (Middle-Eastern/North-African) cultural sphere. Their language, religion, significant portion of genepool is of that origin.

[Sanjub_Saraswati]

To begin with, i'm not Finnic or Uralic, i am Baltic/Slavic, and "Finn" is actually an insult here (they are perceived as being alien, former forest deer-herders. Balts and Slavs do not understand their languages and culture).

Whaaat? i always thought baltikum had shared ancestry with finns. Though i can't say i'm interested enough to further investigate the matter.


What i and Maghrebi have in common? Genetics of course. We are the opposite within the Euro cluster, but we both belong to it. We are closer to each other than any of us is to any non-Caucasoid person, even though we are divided geographically.

Can you back this up? I find this statement very questionable



European civilization (from Antiquity to Renaissance to Modern times)

Did these "European civilization" from antiquity to renaissance include baltic/slavic tribes? Did the romans and hellens perceive themselves as europeans?


Ethiopians are Africans that were heavily influenced by that (Middle-Eastern/North-African) cultural sphere. Their language, religion, significant portion of genepool is of that origin.

That's an extremely simplistic way of putting it, meanwhile you have no problems speaking about some european civilization since antiquity reaching the baltikum and the strong genetic relationship streching to the maghreb, lol at the self-deluding ethnocentric you.:)

[Cail]

Whaaat? i always thought baltikum had shared ancestry with finns. Though i can't say i'm interested enough to further investigate the matter.
Finns are not even Indo-Europeans. Balto-Slavic family belongs (together with Germanic) to the northern sub-branch of Indo-European western branch. They've nothing in common.


Can you back this up? I find this statement very questionable
There were multiple genetic mappings made on this topic. Genetic distances between even the most opposite Caucasian groups (like Swedes/Russians and Arabs, for example) were much (tens of times) less than between any of them and non-Caucasoid control groups.

[Aware_Dog]

I voted for '8' or more because I believe that there are slightly greater than 6.692 billion human races.

[Celtic_Asturian]

"Other than Southern Europeans (such as iberians), what does a Maghrebi have to do with lets say a Finno-uralic baltid individual like you for instance?" :mad:

Here we go with another wanna be pure Aryan, trying to say Iberians(modern day spaniards and Portuguese, which are mix of all the european types) are some how less white than swedes. Come on man, the iberian peninsula was the cradle of europe. In the last ice age, all the people of Europe moved south but once the ice melted, people started to move more north. This is why western europeans such as the portuguese, spaniards, French, Irish, and the English are so closely related not just physically but also genetically. I agree that people from europe, north Africa and the middle east, are more closely related to each other then lets say black people because Europe has played a big role in this two place, genectically and culturally speaking. Also the word Caucasian comes from the Caucasian montains which are located in Eurasia, which is where the caucasian race comes from. From there some spread to Europe, Asia(India), north Africa and some to the middle east. This is also why north Africans and middle easterns are much closer related to us than mongoloids and negroids, and this is why they are included in the caucasian category. P.S to: Sanjub_Saraswati, southern Europe brought culture to northern Europe, so I would thank them!! :thumbsup: