How will the populations of England and France look like 100 years from now? [Archive] - ForumBiodiversity.com

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 20:25

Zupan

2010-01-07, 20:28

The downside of this ever taking place however is all the recent influx of slavic people who are somehow reversing this colourful trend, maybe they'll go back to Poland, latvia wherevere they come from eventually after earning enough of hard currency.

So an influx of european immigrants/workers is something bad? You must be freaking kidding me. I really hope your trolling if not: Fucking Paki go back to Asia. The non european immigrants are ruining Britain. Not that I care their fault but it's bad for Europe. I hope that some extremist muslims will blow up the royal palace and that will spark some anti-muslim/paki or whatever hate in the people of the isles and that they will deport all of the non-europeans.

Hmm reflection: Sikhs can stay too.

Edit: France, Britain, Sweden, Germany will be swarmed with blacks,pakis,hindis etc etc. It doesn't look so good. They countries with a slavic majority will be homogenous maybe the german populace will migrate into slav countries to get away from the swarthy invasion!

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 20:34

So an influx of european immigrants/workers is something bad? You must be freaking kidding me. I really hope your trolling if not: Fucking Paki go back to Asia. The non european immigrants are ruining Britain. Not that I care their fault but it's bad for Europe. I hope that some extremist muslims will blow up the royal palace and that will spark some anti-muslim/paki or whatever hate in the people of the isles and that they will deport all of the non-europeans.

Hmm reflection: Sikhs can stay too.

Slavic people are extremely criminal, trust me they would ruin britian faster than any non-european people would. Anyways i noticed you didn't answer the question of the thread.

Zupan

2010-01-07, 20:37

noricum

2010-01-07, 20:43

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 20:51

I did I edited :D

Haha trust me on this one, here in Sweden it ain't the slavs that are ruining things..

Really? That goes against my knowledge of slavic and balkan organised gangs in sweden, like the "Albanian league" , "The Serbian maffia", the "Cosa Nostra" network which annually dumps millions of tones of illegal substances in the swedish underground market. Do the names Naser Dzerjilji, Rader kotur, Mihailovic (who slayed a swedish minister) Dragan joksovic ring a bell.
Which non-european groups in sweden can compete with these destructive elements?

Lol_Race

2010-01-07, 20:55

Zupan

2010-01-07, 20:56

Really? That goes against my knowledge of slavic and balkan organised gangs in sweden, like the "Albanian league" , "The Serbian maffia", the "Cosa Nostra" network which annually dumps millions of tones of illegal substances in the swedish underground market. Do the names Naser Dzerjilji, Rader kotur, Mihailovic (who slayed a swedish minister) Dragan joksovic ring a bell.
Which non-european groups in sweden can compete with these destructive elements?

Hm that's just a peee weee bit if you look at the pakis. They take their crappy religion (islam) to the continent start building madrasas and they support Al Qaida and other various extremists. The non-european immigrants are more prone to rape and murder. These men don't do indirect damage to people in Sweden. They import/export drugs etc. The thing that differs Serbia from India is that Serbia is doing something against their criminal citizens who operate in these countries. What is India, Pakistan and the other negro-paki countries doing to prevent their citizens?

EliasAlucard

2010-01-07, 20:57

Let's focus on the questions posed in the TS, you can provide phenotypically morphed images or discuss using examples of other multiracial societies. Slavic criminality in Sweden isn't the focus of this topic. Some members here might find Sanjub_Saraswati's question offensive but the question per se has potential for discussion.

//mod

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 21:00

Hm that's just a peee weee bit if you look at the pakis. They take their crappy religion (islam) to the continent start building madrasas and they support Al Qaida and other various extremists. The non-european immigrants are more prone to rape and murder. These men don't do indirect damage to people in Sweden. They import/export drugs etc. The thing that differs Serbia from India is that Serbia is doing something against their criminal citizens who operate in these countries. What is India, Pakistan and the other negro-paki countries doing to prevent their citizens?

Why are you invoking india or pakistan into this. While you now are at it, please name any indian or paki gangs in sweden that can remotly be compared to these slavic criminal gangs?

Cail

2010-01-07, 21:13

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 21:58

^^

Why not attempt to answer the topic question, do you have any images to share on how the population of these places might look like 100 years from now, that would be much more interesting?

Nazi Ufo Commander

2010-01-07, 22:06

Slavic people are extremely criminal, trust me they would ruin britian faster than any non-european people would. Anyways i noticed you didn't answer the question of the thread.
I used to live in Luton, among plenty of Pakis who few times tried to kill me. These damn Poles! :whoco:I lived among blacks and pakis, among poles and british too, but these were more like touristic attraction compared to tons of pakis and other shite. In that period of time I was thinkin about makin a tattoo over back of my head ("muslims out")...

Poles aswell as the other Central or Eastern Europeans brings "racial harmony" (as one of my friends noticed) among the British citzens. One guy said to me, that he preffers hundred poles over one paki.

And pakis, are really annoying and smelly people. Unfortunetly Europe (at least western) is about to become more, and more multicultural with domination of colored people.

Lol_Race

2010-01-07, 22:13

Poles aswell as the other Central or Eastern Europeans brings "racial harmony" (as one of my friends noticed) among the British citzens.
Pakis are classified as "Caucasians", are they not?

Nazi Ufo Commander

2010-01-07, 22:18

nevermind the anthropology, its the perception of skin color, they are not considered white among most of the people

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 22:18

I used to live in Luton, among plenty of Pakis who few times tried to kill me. These damn Poles! I lived among blacks and pakis, among poles and british too, but these were more like touristic attraction compared to tons of pakis and other shite. In that period of time I was thinkin about makin a tattoo over back of my head ("muslims out")...

Poles aswell as the other Central or Eastern Europeans brings "racial harmony" (as one of my friends noticed) among the British citzens. One guy said to me, that he preffers hundred poles over one paki.

And pakis, are really annoying and smelly people. Unfortunetly Europe (at least western) is about to become more, and more multicultural with domination of colored people.

A friend of mine who studied medicine in Poland (he didn't have enough credentials to study at a local institution) was savagely kidnapped and beaten for 48 hours by a handfull of native brutes of that nation, he was eventually transfered to a local school after this seemingly customary incident that took place in warsaw.

Anyways do you have any pics to share concerning the topic?

Viking

2010-01-07, 22:20

That depends. It could either be very Brazil-like or it could be homogenous again. Personally, I don't think that the left wing multiculturalist societies in Western Europe will be forever. But that is my beliefs only, and we can't really do anything else than speculate.

Anodyne

2010-01-07, 22:22

Everytime i go to london or paris i get positively surprised by the demographic changes that take place, in particular london, it get intensified every time after i've been away for only a couple of years, very colourful and multicultural, i love it.

Of course you do. But if it was your homeland that was becoming multicultural you'd be singing a different tune.

Cities like Oslo, Gothenburgh, Amsterdam, Stockholm are also following this trend. I personally hope the population of england and france will look like that of brazil about 50-100 years from now.

With all that crime and racial animosity.

Not as if this will be at the expense of any indigenous british beauty since brits are not exactly known for being aestheticly appealing.

The quality of trolls at this forum is so poor. An intelligent troll would imply instead of stating directly.

The downside of this ever taking place however is all the recent influx of slavic people who are somehow reversing this colourful trend, maybe they'll go back to Poland, latvia wherevere they come from eventually after earning enough of hard currency.

The question that must be asked is if the immigrant group can be assimilated. If they can, and if they come in small numbers so as not to sustain a long standing foreign culture, then they are fine. A multicultural nation is more often than not a nation in conflict.

Anyways, how do you think places like London, Paris, Amsterdam etc will look like phenotipically 100 years from now?

Like Brazil: White at the top, black/brown at the bottom, and every shade in the middle. That's certainly the intention. A real hell hole, like a big chunk of London today.

Lol_Race

2010-01-07, 22:23

nevermind the anthropology, its the perception of skin color, they are not considered white among most of the people
So that, on top of the bizarre idea of there being races who can not live together in equality, is a reasonable explanaton to you? You acknowledge that they are of the same race as you, but don't consider it a problem that they're treated differently based on their skin color?

A friend of mine who studied medicine in Poland (he didn't have enough credentials to study at a local institution) was savagely kidnapped and beaten for 48 hours by a handfull of native brutes of that nation, he was eventually transfered to a local school after this seemingly customary incident that took place in warsaw.

Heard about that, the Somali right?

noricum

2010-01-07, 22:27

Everytime i go to london or paris i get positively surprised by the demographic changes that take place, in particular london, it get intensified every time after i've been away for only a couple of years, very colourful and multicultural, i love it. Cities like Oslo, Gothenburgh, Amsterdam, Stockholm are also following this trend. I personally hope the population of england and france will look like that of brazil about 50-100 years from now. Not as if this will be at the expense of any indigenous british beauty since brits are not exactly known for being aestheticly appealing. The downside of this ever taking place however is all the recent influx of slavic people who are somehow reversing this colourful trend, maybe they'll go back to Poland, latvia wherevere they come from eventually after earning enough of hard currency.

Anyways, how do you think places like London, Paris, Amsterdam etc will look like phenotipically 100 years from now?

If things go on as they are now, the population of the cities will be mainly of non-european derivation. On the long run people will no longer be able to identify theirself with their ethnic background, which will be too blurred, but rather with their social group. That could be the gang, religiuos group or even the company they are working for, provided we will still have a capitalist system then. This will lead to strong frictions between the cities and the province where we will still encounter a predominantely antochthonous population, resulting in a weakening of the entire Nation.
Basically this is also almost equally bad for the people of foreign derivation, since they also loose their bondings to the past like the autochthonous population, what is important for the self-perception. Thus I can't understand why your so happy about multiculturalism. Yummy chinese cuisine alone can't be, eh? On long term multiculti means monoculture. Or are your reasons even based on revenge for colonialism?

Nazi Ufo Commander

2010-01-07, 22:32

So that, on top of the bizarre idea of there being races who can not live together in equality, is a reasonable explanaton to you? You acknowledge that they are of the same race as you, but don't consider it a problem that they're treated differently based on their skin color?
Its not about skind color but about cultural diffrencies, some borders will never fall down.

Lol_Race

2010-01-07, 22:36

Its not about skind color but about cultural diffrencies, some borders will never fall down.
Oh yeah? Do you think that the culture you identify with is indigenous, without significant influences from regions that you might define as culturally alien? Segregation is a big problem in urban Europe, but that's not the attitude needed to solve it.

Nephilim

2010-01-07, 22:40

If things go on as they are now, the population of the cities will be mainly of non-european derivation. On the long run people will no longer be able to identify theirself with their ethnic background, which will be too blurred, but rather with their social group. That could be the gang, religiuos group or even the company they are working for, provided we will still have a capitalist system then. This will lead to strong frictions between the cities and the province where we will still encounter a predominantely antochthonous population, resulting in a weakening of the entire Nation.
Basically this is also almost equally bad for the people of foreign derivation, since they also loose their bondings to the past like the autochthonous population, what is important for the self-perception. Thus I can't understand why your so happy about multiculturalism. Yummy chinese cuisine alone can't be, eh? On long term multiculti means monoculture. Or are your reasons even based on revenge for colonialism?

Colonialism is legacy was in fact multiculturalism. If the Europeans did not want to have us Middle Easterners, Africans, and Asians, then they should have not colonized and plundered our wealth, and reduced our societies to chaos, as what has occured in the Middle East, where most of the dicatators are the puppets of the British or French, and many are under American thumbs.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 22:55

Like Brazil: White at the top, black/brown at the bottom, and every shade in the middle. That's certainly the intention. A real hell hole, like a big chunk of London today.

The socio-economic situation of blacks in Brazil is different from that of Britian, most blacks in England are highly educated as opposed to the favela blacks of former plantation workforce in Brazil. So i'm afraid your gloomy vision of blacks being at the bottom in the future racial mix of England might just remain a wet dream of yours, a stereotypical dream at that.

Btw it's getting a bit superflous to hear you mention "intelligence" at every other post of yours, if you think it makes you come out looking relative brighter than those your responding to, then your very mistaken, coz it actually makes you look desperate into trying to making yourself into something you're not.

Excel

2010-01-07, 22:59

Some of you make it out as if immigrants invaded. But rather they were welcomed by your own democratic governments. Governments which are voted by the people and for the people.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 23:03

Colonialism is legacy was in fact multiculturalism. If the Europeans did not want to have us Middle Easterners, Africans, and Asians, then they should have not colonized and plundered our wealth, and reduced our societies to chaos, as what has occured in the Middle East, where most of the dicatators are the puppets of the British or French, and many are under American thumbs.

England and France certainly sowed those seeds, whatever the implications of multicultural societies might be, positive or not, there is no turning back at this point.

Nephilim

2010-01-07, 23:03

Some of you make it out as if immigrants invaded. But rather they were welcomed by your own democratic governments. Governments which are voted by the people and for the people.

Excatly, but most of the immigrants come from the colonized and plundered nations. For example France as North Africans, Britian has Indo-Pakistani, afterall thats their part of their wealth that the French and the British are enjoying. Do you think Britian or France would have been as wealthy as they are if it was not for their colonies and the wealth they stole, which rightfuly belongs to the natives This is true for other colonial Western European nations.

Breedingvariety

2010-01-07, 23:08

Britain is going bankrupt anyway, so it's a moot point.:p

Anodyne

2010-01-07, 23:11

Some of you make it out as if immigrants invaded. But rather they were welcomed by your own democratic governments. Governments which are voted by the people and for the people.

Yet, most White Brits want immigration limited. The politicians don't care. Once you get into office it's very hard to boot you out because you acquire a core of voters whose interests you serve. The guy in office always has an advantage over the guy challenging for his seat.

Nephilim

2010-01-07, 23:12

England and France certainly sowed those seeds, whatever the implications of multicultural societies might be, positive or not, there is no turning back at this point.

That is the truth. The reason is European imperalism was in fact very muliticultural in its nature, although it did put non-Europeans into lower position. Also it was during European imperalist conquest, where racial mixing became more common than ever, another legacy, and this was in fact encouraged by by some European governments, in order that some of the non-Europeans might gain their trust. This happened in Africa, Americas, and India. In many cases this ended in tragedy for the non-Europeans.

So who created multiculturalism, the Europeans or the non-Europeans. The answer is obvious as to who its founders are.

Anodyne

2010-01-07, 23:16

The socio-economic situation of blacks in Brazil is different from that of Britian, most blacks in England are highly educated as opposed to the favela blacks of former plantation workforce in Brazil. So i'm afraid your gloomy vision of blacks being at the bottom in the future racial mix of England might just remain a wet dream of yours, a stereotypical dream at that.

Source?

Btw it's getting a bit superflous to hear you mention "intelligence" at every other post of yours, if you think it makes you come out looking relative brighter than those your responding to, then your very mistaken, coz it actually makes you look desperate into trying to making yourself into something you're not.

No need for me to point it out if you attempted to behave intelligently. You're trolling and doing a poor job of it. How about you try to knock me on my ass if it'll be so easy? I thought not.

Excel

2010-01-07, 23:28

Yet, most White Brits want immigration limited. The politicians don't care. Once you get into office it's very hard to boot you out because you acquire a core of voters whose interests you serve. The guy in office always has an advantage over the guy challenging for his seat.
The Labour party was already voted twice in office and it looks as if they would again be voted in office for the third time :lol:
In your own country alone, a black man was elected as the president of the united states? Now what does that say?

Anodyne

2010-01-07, 23:35

Highly educated indeed.

GCSE performance
In 2004 Chinese pupils were the most likely to achieve five or more GCSE grades A*-C in England, with 79 per cent of Chinese girls and 70 per cent of Chinese boys respectively. Indian pupils had the next highest achievement levels: 72 per cent of Indian girls and 62 per cent of Indian boys achieved these levels.

The lowest levels of GCSE attainment were among Black Caribbean pupils, particularly boys. Only 27 per cent of Black Caribbean boys and 44 per cent of Black Caribbean girls achieved five or more A*-C grade GCSEs. Pupils from the Black African, Other Black and Mixed White and Black Caribbean groups had the next lowest levels of attainment.

Within each ethnic group a higher proportion of girls than boys achieved five or more GCSE grades A*-C (or equivalent).

School exclusions
In 2003/04 pupils from Black Caribbean, Other Black and Mixed White and Black Caribbean groups were among the most likely to be permanently excluded from schools in England.

The permanent exclusion rates for pupils from the Other Black, Black Caribbean and Mixed White and Black Caribbean groups were 42 pupils per 10,000, 41 per 10,000 and 37 per 10,000 respectively. These were up to three times the rate for White pupils (14 pupils per 10,000). Chinese and Indian pupils had the lowest exclusion rates, at 2 or less pupils excluded per 10,000.

For all ethnic groups, the rate of permanent exclusions was higher for boys than girls, with boys representing around 80 per cent of the total number of permanent exclusions.

Highest qualification
In 2004 people from the Bangladeshi, Black Caribbean and Pakistani groups were less likely than White British people to have a degree (or equivalent).
Among men, Bangladeshis and Black Caribbeans were the least likely to have a degree (11 per cent for each group). Among women, Bangladeshis and Pakistanis were the least likely to have a degree, 5 and 10 per cent respectively.

The groups most likely to have degrees were Chinese (31 per cent), Indian (25 per cent) and White Irish (24 per cent). These compared with 17 per cent of White British people. However, a relatively high proportion of Chinese people had no qualifications – 20 per cent, compared with 15 per cent of White British people.
Bangladeshis and Pakistanis were the most likely to be unqualified. Five in ten (49 per cent) Bangladeshi women and four in ten (40 per cent) Bangladeshi men had no qualifications. Among Pakistanis, 35 per cent of women and 29 per cent of men had no qualifications.

Sources: Department for Education and Skills, National Curriculum Assessment, GCSE and Equivalent Attainment and Post-16 Attainment by Pupil Characteristics in England 2004, Statistical First Release 08/2005; Pupil Level Annual Schools Census (PLASC) and Termly Exclusions Survey, Department for Education and Skills; Annual Population Survey, January 2004 to December 2004, Office for National Statistics

Notes:

The chart showing people with no qualification is shown as a proportion of all the working age population (males aged 16-64, females aged 16-59).

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=461

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 23:36

Source?

Black Africans Now the Most Highly Educated Group in British Society (http://www.jstor.org/pss/2963116)

No need for me to point it out if you attempted to behave intelligently. You're trolling and doing a poor job of it. How about you try to knock me on my ass if it'll be so easy? I thought not.

What you personally perceive as being "trolling" or not is irrelevant, i know you love tedious and long-drawn bitch fights like the recent one you had with Caine on a simple definition of a terminology. You might want to pick those fights with someone else coz i'm aint interested to "knock you on your ass".

Anodyne

2010-01-07, 23:37

The Labour party was already voted twice in office and it looks as if they would again be voted in office for the third time :lol:

Did you not read my post?

In your own country alone, a black man was elected as the president of the united states? Now what does that say?

You think he ran against Bush?

What about the word advantage do you not understand?

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-07, 23:39

The Labour party was already voted twice in office and it looks as if they would again be voted in office for the third time :lol:
In your own country alone, a black man was elected as the president of the united states? Now what does that say?

He probably thinks they are "un-intelligent" like he does everything else.

Excel

2010-01-07, 23:43

Did you not read my post?
Turning stupid on me now. :confused: You don't even have a clue about british politics, do you?

Anodyne

2010-01-07, 23:45

Black Africans Now the Most Highly Educated Group in British Society (http://www.jstor.org/pss/2963116)

Take a look at my last post ;)

We do know that Black African girls have done very well but what does that say other than selection? Black Africans in the US aren't all that bad. But they come from a better socio-economic position than most of their countrymen. Despite all this we can see from my source that life isn't rosey in GB. Black Africans aren't a highly educated population, as you claimed.

Your source seems to be from the early 90s. Mine is from '03.

What you personally perceive as being "trolling" or not is irrelevant,

Well, you're not exactly going to say it's relevant are you? Calling a population ugly to get a reaction is trolling.

i know you love tedious and long-drawn bitch fights like the recent one you had with Caine on a simple definition of a terminology.

I hate long fights on the internet. I ask myself, why does this moron keep coming back when it's clearly over. But they keep coming back. I rather just masturbate.

You might want to pick those fights with someone else coz i'm aint interested to "knock you on your ass".

Good, you know your place.

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He probably thinks they are "un-intelligent" like he does everything else.

Well, you're the one who used an old source to prove a point, not I. There are people on this forum much more intelligent than I. I have no issue with them because they are intelligent. I don't always agree with them, either.

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Turning stupid on me now. :confused: You don't even have a clue about british politics, do you?

You know very little about politics in general. What I stated is well known.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 00:00

Well, you're the one who used an old source to prove a point, not I
Only an imbecile with an empty vessel between his ears would attempt to draw parallels with the diverse, urban and dynamic black population of England and the semi-litteral favela blacks of Brazil:whoco:

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 00:04

Only an imbecile with an empty vessel between his ears would attempt to draw parallels with the diverse, urban and dynamic black population of England and the semi-litteral favela blacks of Brazil:whoco:

You got me! Not. I was stating that the social/racial hiearchy would be the same. Try to keep up. I found your claim about a highly educated Black population amusing and so I asked for a source. I'm sure you regret that now. What's funny to me is you were the first one to bring up Brazil.

Anyway, can I assume that you agree that Blacks in the UK aren't a highly educated population?

Oh, and my source is from 2006; it wasn't from 2003.

pinguin

2010-01-08, 00:07

I personally hope the population of england and france will look like that of brazil about 50-100 years from now. ...anyways, how do you think places like London, Paris, Amsterdam etc will look like phenotipically 100 years from now?

I bet they would look like Congo.

Excel

2010-01-08, 00:13

Anodyne do you believe in the preservation of Europe? Yes/No

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 00:14

Anyway, can I assume that you agree that that Blacks in the UK aren't a highly educated population?

You seem to have a logic like that of a fetus. Not being the most highly educated doesn't automatically mean you're not highly educated. Your source only ranks the most highly educated to the least highly educated, the carribean blacks being the least highly educated. I never asserted that blacks were the most highly educated. Seems like you're the one who needs to keep up alternatively quit hallucinating on issues.

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I bet they would look like Congo.

How did you come to this conclusion?

riser

2010-01-08, 00:22

First of all, don't feed the [OP]troll.

Some of you make it out as if immigrants invaded. But rather they were welcomed by your own democratic governments. Governments which are voted by the people and for the people.

I'd rather have a brutal, but long term oriented and populist at heart government like the Chinese, than a bread and circuses sideshow of media controlled and corporate funded "democracy".

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Excatly, but most of the immigrants come from the colonized and plundered nations. For example France as North Africans, Britian has Indo-Pakistani, afterall thats their part of their wealth that the French and the British are enjoying. Do you think Britian or France would have been as wealthy as they are if it was not for their colonies and the wealth they stole, which rightfuly belongs to the natives This is true for other colonial Western European nations.

You keep on saying this, repeating it over and over again. I've brought up the examples of Ireland, Norway and Sweden before with you. Countries with large scale immigration, but with no history of colonialism.

And just a small aside to the hate filled and racist blacks, south asians and middle easterners here calling for genocide against europeans(and that IS what several people have done, no denying it); Even if you slaughter every last of one them, rape all of the babies to death, defile all of their corpses, North East Asians will just take their place as the new whites. You are scum.

pinguin

2010-01-08, 00:36

How did you come to this conclusion?

http://bixentelizarazu.w.interia.pl/images/French%20Team.jpg

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/09/03/international/03france_184.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41424000/jpg/_41424667_5ap_tenerife.jpg

http://www.rnw.nl/data/files/imagecache/must_carry/images/lead/r%C3%A9fugi%C3%A9s%20africains.jpg

http://www.gannetsway.com/news/images/african-boat.jpg

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00442/news-graphics-2007-_442407a.jpg

Forget it. In 100 years, Europe won't look like Brazil, but Congo.

Excel

2010-01-08, 00:38

I'd rather have a brutal, but long term oriented and populist at heart government like the Chinese, than a bread and circuses sideshow of media controlled and corporate funded "democracy".
Is it that bad :lol:
There's an old saying that says "you don't know what you have until its gone" ;)
Riser you hve extraordinary freedom and yet you wish for a communist style government.

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 00:40

You seem to have a logic like that of a fetus.

I don't even know why you bother to respond. You look even more foolsih now.

Not being the most highly educated doesn't automatically mean you're not highly educated.

I never asserted that blacks were the most highly educated. Seems like you're the one who needs to keep up alternatively quit hallucinating on issues.

I never said that you claimed they were the most highly educated population in GB (you did however post a link suggesting that Black Africans were ;)). What I said is the following:

You got me! Not. I was stating that the social/racial hiearchy would be the same. Try to keep up. I found your claim about a highly educated Black population amusing and so I asked for a source. I'm sure you regret that now. What's funny to me is you were the first one to bring up Brazil.

The Black population in UK is poorly educated. They're too poorly educated to keep a modern society running. They will, as I claim, be stuck in the bottom. Only the few will rise out, as it is in Brazil, with the mixed population doing better.

Your source only ranks the most highly educated to the least highly educated, the carribean blacks being the least highly educated.

You can read charts; I'm amazed. Can read my posts without modifying what I say? That would be a neat trick.

Also, be aware people can read past posts in this thread. So don't be a goof and try to modify what I said.

riser

2010-01-08, 00:43

Is it that bad :lol:
There's an old saying that says "you don't know what you have until its gone" ;)
Riser you hve extraordinary freedom and yet you wish for a communist style government.

Not just any communist style government, but a modified one like China. You can still earn money, buy luxuries etc. But that government's long term goals(other than self-sustainment) are the betterment of the Chinese ethnicity. The Chinese government does everything it does (other than self-sustainment nastiness) for the Chinese ethnic success.
And trust me, they plan long-term better than we do with our 4 year changeovers. I blame 4 year term democracy for the economic collapse in the USA actually.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 00:48

The Black population in UK is poorly educated. They're too poorly educated to keep a modern society running. They will, as I claim, be stuck in the bottom. Only the few will rise out, as it is in Brazil, with the mixed population doing better

I guess they'll get bailed out by EU, you know like Spain and Portugal were when thay failed to keep up a modern society that could live up to EU standards?;)

Decimator

2010-01-08, 00:49

They should cut all this "rainbow full of color" immigration. Why the fuck do we want England to become like Brazil? Brazil is a big piece of shit. Not a nice multicultural place but an Apartheid like society where a rich neighborhood where the surnames of everyone are Hoebscher, Farraceli, Reinhardt, Goldenberg and next to it a favela full of slums inhabitated mostly by people that can be considered Black in some way or another. It's really not a good place.

Instead of that Britain should replace that immigration with Poles, Ukrainians, Russians, Chechens, Dagestanis, Albanians, Moldovans. While some are arguably as bad as the Africans and Pakis, at least they won't be so noticeable and by the first generation they intermarry their offspring will already look like any local.

Just my opinion and an advice to Brits who might care about their country. Not that I really care about it

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 00:59

I guess they'll get bailed out by EU, you know like Spain and Portugal were when thay failed to keep up a modern society that could live up to EU standards?;)

Spain and Portugal were outside of the European mainstream. Once their dictatorships gave way to "democracy" the EU helped out greatly. Although I wouldn't say Portugal is a modern European society but they're close to it. Spain has been doing well the past 30 years because the population can keep a modern society going. They proved themselves. But it's unfortunate that Spain has been hit so hard by a poor world economy and a banking fiasco. However, it's still one of the top nations with regards to living standards. I can't say the same about Somalia.

Anyway, I doubt EU would bail out the UK because they'd have their own problems. The good times aren't coming back any time soon. But why would the EU assist a nation that didn't have much hope to being more than a third world nation if, of course, GB does become similar to Brazil (multicultual and multiracial).

Sad attempt at trolling. Anyway, I see you gave up on our actual debate.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 01:01

Decimator

2010-01-08, 01:04

^^

You are a Mexican, a Mexican is in no position to comment on immigration negatively, considering their notorious nature in this aspect.

You're an african, you're a nigger, no one immigrates to your country so you can't complain either. What's your point? Why do you have to attack my ethnicity and not my ideas? I'm in perfect position to attack everyone I want, just like a Serb from Sweden in here is against some kinds of immigration too

You can't even compare. USA took some territory from Mexico away and considering it's just one step away from us, makes the things very distinct than for an Ethiopian moving to England or something like that. Not that I care but you hardly see any Mexican in the USA outside the Southwest. You go to Delaware, 0 mexicans. You go to Tenessee, 0 mexicans.

Would you consider the Albanians in Kosovo immigrants too??

Or the Hungarians in Transylvania??

Or the Palestineans in Israel?

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 01:05

You are a Mexican, a Mexican is in no position to comment on immigration negatively, considering their notorious nature in this aspect.

Your thinking is flawed. A person, regardless of his ethnic background, can argue for any belief if he feels its rational.

Your thinking is very tribal, Sanjub. Can a African American not point out how raping women is wrong? Ofcourse he can. It doesn't matter if many of them are in prison for rape.

Excel

2010-01-08, 01:10

Not just any communist style government, but a modified one like China. You can still earn money, buy luxuries etc. But that government's long term goals(other than self-sustainment) are the betterment of the Chinese ethnicity. The Chinese government does everything it does (other than self-sustainment nastiness) for the Chinese ethnic success.
And trust me, they plan long-term better than we do with our 4 year changeovers. I blame 4 year term democracy for the economic collapse in the USA actually.

Thats a fair point ;) But i think it may conflict with the west's natural inclination towards freedom and independence

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 01:10

Your thinking is flawed. A person, regardless of his ethnic background, can argue for any belief if he feels its rational.

Your thinking is very tribal, Sanjub. Can a African American not point out how raping women is wrong? Ofcourse he can. It doesn't matter if many of them are in prison for rape.

Because i've noticed a pattern of these indigenous only critisizing immigration concerning europe while they cry a river everytime someone mentions the wetbacking that goes around southern US borders, i just despise hypocrites that's all.

Decimator

2010-01-08, 01:12

Because i've noticed a pattern of these indigenous only critisizing immigration concerning europe while they cry a river everytime someone mentions the wetbacking that goes around southern US borders, i just despise hypocrites that's all.

Ok and what does Europeans crying about wetbacking have to do with me?

Excel

2010-01-08, 01:14

Can a African American not point out how raping women is wrong? Ofcourse he can. It doesn't matter if many of them are in prison for rape.
Whats the issue between you and AA's :whoco:

Decimator

2010-01-08, 01:18

Whats the issue between you and AA's :whoco:

He just posted another stereotype like the other guy said I couldn't criticize immigration because I was Mexican.

Anyway I don't care about immigration, I welcome all chileans, argentineans, cubans, guatemalans that come here, it's just that after seeing how western Europeans dislike immigrants too much, I just proposed a possible solution for them

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 01:20

You can't even compare. USA took some territory from Mexico away and considering it's just one step away from us, makes the things very distinct than for an Ethiopian moving to England or something like that. Not that I care but you hardly see any Mexican in the USA outside the Southwest. You go to Delaware, 0 mexicans. You go to Tenessee, 0 mexicans.

Majority of the immigrants to UK are of former colonies and there are plenty of central americans flooding Iberia, so you shouldn't talk shit as if you were on a high horse.

Excel

2010-01-08, 01:21

Decimator you have every right to share your thoughts, i think Sanjub_Saraswati was mistaken on that part.

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 01:22

Whats the issue between you and AA's :whoco:

Nothing if they act normally, take care of their community, and don't cause problems. One of my favorite professors was Black. I didn't mind him because he acted like a normal human being.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 01:24

Ok and what does Europeans crying about wetbacking have to do with me?

Maybe i should have written "indigenous of America" in that post, since you seem to have missunderstood the content.

Excel

2010-01-08, 01:26

One of my favorite professors was Black.
Yeah and that makes it all fine to continue to shiit on the whole AA community :lol:

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 01:31

Yeah and that makes it all fine to continue to shiit on the whole AA community :lol:

I don't shit on the whole AA community. But I do find their most popular sub-cultures highly annoying. These sub-cultures have no regard for women, respect for personal space, etc. I feel bad for decent Black Americans. They haveto put up with that shit more so than I. I don't see it will get any better.

Decimator

2010-01-08, 01:31

Majority of the immigrants to UK are of former colonies and there are plenty of central americans flooding Iberia, so you shouldn't talk shit as if you were on a high horse.

You got your shit wrong, there are no Central Americans in Spain but Bolivians, Colombians, Equatorians, etc. And I'm not Central American anyway, why would that be relevant to me? There's only like 100 Mexicans in Europe only

pinguin

2010-01-08, 02:55

Majority of the immigrants to UK are of former colonies and there are plenty of central americans flooding Iberia, so you shouldn't talk shit as if you were on a high horse.

There is a small difference. The immigrants of former colonies that flood the UK usually don't have a single drop of British blood. That's not the case of the Latin American immigrants who, no matter they may have admixtures, they usually have quite a bit or quite a lot of Iberian blood. Latin Americans and Iberians are relatives, whether you like it or not. That's not the case of Africans or Asians moving to the UK.

jonboyclem

2010-01-08, 03:55

I don't shit on the whole AA community. But I do find their most popular sub-cultures highly annoying. These sub-cultures have no regard for women, respect for personal space, etc. I feel bad for decent Black Americans. They have to put up with that shit more so than I. I don't see it will get any better.

Those sub-cultures you are talking about sprang up because of a lack of jobs and investment in inner city neighborhoods where a lot of us AA's live, and will stay that way because of neglect such as New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina. I'll be real and say another problem in my community is a lack of responsibilitynd accountablity in our community for a lack of family structure. But there are many decent AA families in the US who think just like the majority of Americans do.

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Forget it. In 100 years, Europe won't look like Brazil, but Congo.

And the main reason they are coming over there is because Europeans exploited and got rich off thier resources during colonization in the 19th-20th century and making thier cultures feel inferior to European culture. If i was a broke as a joke African living off $2 a day, I'd make a move to make some money in Europe or another industrialized country.

But I don't agree with non European immigration to Europe, because European countries are not like the US which is based off of immigrants from other countries. And I can't believe why Western Europe is so soft on allowing non culturally assimilable immigrants into thier countries. It's one thing to have a English cultured Jamaican in the UK, but a whole different thang with a Muslim Somalian in Sweden.

Nephilim

2010-01-08, 04:24

You keep on saying this, repeating it over and over again. I've brought up the examples of Ireland, Norway and Sweden before with you. Countries with large scale immigration, but with no history of colonialism.

And just a small aside to the hate filled and racist blacks, south asians and middle easterners here calling for genocide against europeans(and that IS what several people have done, no denying it); Even if you slaughter every last of one them, rape all of the babies to death, defile all of their corpses, North East Asians will just take their place as the new whites. You are scum.

I have never included the Irish or Scandinvans in the topic.

I have stated Western European nations, which is Britian, France, and Italy, which have done great chaos in the Middle East and North Africa, and this especially of France and Britian and to a lesser extent Italy. Britian brought destruction, and killed many Arabian tribesman, in fact my great grandmother told horrific stories of the British colonists that were present to Arabia to my mom, and especially to the tribes that have oppossed their presence, they would maim and kill the women and childern. The French and Italians tried to liqudiate the North African Berber and Arab population, they set up concentration camps, and not only that to violate the honor of North African womanhood they created brothels where they can use the local Arab and Berber women as concubines and sex slaves.

Iam far from racist. I speak the truth. Show me where I said racist material. Sweden, Norway and Ireland should kick the immigrants if they don't need them but they need them for cheap labour, or for population growth.

The Middle Easterners know full well how the North East Asians have acted toward us during the Mongol invasion. Trust me, if they try to touch Arabia, they would soon regert it. The Middle Easterners have kept strong grudge against the Mongols and their cousins.

We will always be free and no one can rule us, and no one will!!!

Anodyne

2010-01-08, 05:03

Those sub-cultures you are talking about sprang up because of a lack of jobs and investment in inner city neighborhoods where a lot of us AA's live,

Nonsense for the following reasons:

1) It has been proven that crime has very little connection to poverty. Notice how the crime rate in the US for this decade, an economically devastating decade, hasn't risen. But this was known for many years. At least by the late 80s.

2) There is no evidence that suggests throwing money at schools actually improves results of those schools.

3) Do people become good citizens just because they have a job? Obviously not.

I'd say what has made the situation worse is the social reforms of the 60s. The welfare state has ruined Black communities.

... and will stay that way because of neglect such as New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina.

I'd neglect those communities, too, considering most residents don't give a shit either. They talk a good game but when it comes to being responsible you can forget it.

I'll be real and say another problem in my community is a lack of responsibilitynd accountablity in our community for a lack of family structure. But there are many decent AA families in the US who think just like the majority of Americans do.

Of course there are. But to be honest, I don't want to carry the AA's communities on my shoulder. I'm tired of the "White people owe us everything" arguments I hear. Respect is not earned by begging.

And the main reason they are coming over there is because Europeans exploited and got rich off thier resources during colonization in the 19th-20th century and making thier cultures feel inferior to European culture. If i was a broke as a joke African living off $2 a day, I'd make a move to make some money in Europe or another industrialized country.

That's more nonsense. I went over this in another thread.

EDIT: Well, not to great extent and I'm too tired. Maybe later. But, yeah, their cultures were inferior in comparison. I'd add that.

But I don't agree with non European immigration to Europe, because European countries are not like the US which is based off of immigrants from other countries.

They have the same problems we do regarding immigration.

I've met very few people who are against legal immigration. But I've met many people who were against illegal immigration.

And I can't believe why Western Europe is so soft on allowing non culturally assimilable immigrants into thier countries. It's one thing to have a English cultured Jamaican in the UK, but a whole different thang with a Muslim Somalian in Sweden.

It's the game plan, my friend. Think of it this way: future voting blocks.

jonboyclem

2010-01-08, 06:02

Nonsense for the follwoing reasons:

1) It has been proven that crime has very little connection to poverty. Notice how the crime rate for this decade, a economically devastating decade, hasn't risen. But this was known for many years. At least the late 80s.

Then what do you think is the reason for most of the crimes in inner city? From what I seen from personal experience in several different inner city neighborhoods in the US. Most of the criminal activity I seen was involved with making a living.

2) There is no evidence that suggests throwing money at schools actually improves results of those schools.

Here's an article about the sucess of charter schools in inner city areas.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704779704574555994244755948.html

If you refute that, I'll show more articles of evidence.

3) Do people become good citizens just because they have a job? Obviously not.

But having a job means that people are not justing hanging around the corner "chillng wit dere homies" all day. In Los Angeles, Westwood has a whole different feel with the diverse economic oppertunities avalable compared to Florence and Normandie in South LA, where the only jobs available are in fast food and check cashing.

I'd say what has made the situation worse is the social reforms of the 60s. The welfare state has ruined Black communities.

This is one point you are right about. Before the social reforms in the 60's, most AA's made a decent living off of the manufacturing jobs that were available in the cities and most and most AA families had stability in the families. But the social reforms broke up the AA family structure to the state where it is today.

I'd neglect those communities, too, considering most residents don't give a shit either. They talk a good game but when it comes to being responsible you can forget it.

Grow up in an enviroment like I did in South Central Los Angeles, and you'll have an entierly different perspective to whats going on.

Trog

2010-01-08, 09:04

Multi-culturalism has proven to be the destruction of British society and does not work. The way Britain is going, it won't be a happy, vibrant, melting pot, it will be ruled by Arabs and blacks will once again become slaves and eunuchs.

As for Eastern Europeans? I know a lot who are very hard working and are often highly qualified people with degrees who end up taking jobs well below what they're capable of. Sadly blacks often don't take jobs at all and scrounge off welfare and live off state handouts.

Britain is aesthetically unappealing amongst the lower class divisions, who, incidentally, often marry or have children with blacks. They neglect themselves and eat, smoke and drink themselves into early graves. Their lifestyle produces obesity, since they eat cheap junk food.

Blacks in Britain are far from being beauties either.

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Boosted J

2010-01-08, 09:11

Multi-culturalism has proven to be the destruction of British society and does not work. The way Britain is going, it won't be a happy, vibrant, melting pot, it will be ruled by Arabs and blacks will once again become slaves and eunuchs.

As for Eastern Europeans? I know a lot who are very hard working and are often highly qualified people with degrees who end up taking jobs well below what they're capable of. Sadly blacks often don't take jobs at all and scrounge off welfare and live off state handouts.

Britain is aesthetically unappealing amongst the lower class divisions, who, incidentally, often marry or have children with blacks. They neglect themselves and eat, smoke and drink themselves into early graves. Their lifestyle produces obesity, since they eat cheap, junk food.

Come on trog. ---When society looses our ovary carriers to predjiuce and steryotypes, then we're doomed as humans. No one chooses his or her identity---you shouldn't hold it against them. You're better than that, no need for prejudice thinking in the year of 2010.

Trog

2010-01-08, 09:15

Majority of the immigrants to UK are of former colonies and there are plenty of central americans flooding Iberia, so you shouldn't talk shit as if you were on a high horse.

Okay, I'm a pure Brit. So I want to ask you something.

What right have your people got coming to my country, reaping the benefits of free healthcare and education and then attempt to celebrate the disappearance of my people? Whose bloodline nourishes the land, whose ancestors built up so that impoverished Africans can escape to and be taken care of, even though they've not contributed anything positive or of worth to Britain.

So I ask you again, what right do you have to come to MY island and celebrate the idea of there being no one like me, a person who loves this country and who honours it greatly through respecting its proud history.

You are nothing but an ungrateful picanniny who would be throwing spears instead of insults if it were not for my country being in such a state as to accept your lowly begging self.

My ancestors fought famine, enslavement, prejudice, racism, and died in industrial shit holes to create the Britain you appear to love. We owe you nothing, instead, you owe us plenty for us being willing to shelter you, to care for you, nurture you and educate you.

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Come on trog. ---When society looses our ovary carriers to predjiuce and steryotypes, then we're doomed as humans. No one chooses his or her identity---you shouldn't hold it against them. You're better than that, no need for prejudice thinking in the year of 2010.

No, society is doomed when people lose the connection with their past and to their history, only to witness the culture being suppressed in order to appease a bunch of illiterate spearchuckers who crawl to these islands begging for our help.

Watch this - IM BRITISH, I'm WHITE and I'm fucking PROUD of it! Black Africans, in typical immigrant fashion are sucking the life blood from this country, there will be nothing left anyway, like everything else, just like when they found their way up the Nile and trashed the Egyptian culture, they too will have nothing but their own decaying filth to feed on.

Annawon

2010-01-08, 09:25

Trog

2010-01-08, 09:29

A nation that cherishes its people so much that it offers to care for them when they're sick, freely educate themm, and even when unemployed, disabled, mentally ill, elderly, orphaned, poor, black, yellow, brown, will still offer that same help.

So tell me, what exactly is BRITAIN, it's not England, sewn? Do tell....

And what the hell is that old Injun got to do with a discussion about Britain?

Breedingvariety

2010-01-08, 09:30

Riser you hve extraordinary freedom and yet you wish for a communist style government.

Thats a fair point ;) But i think it may conflict with the west's natural inclination towards freedom and independence
What freedom? Freedom to pass with hands up through naked body scanners? Laike a slave or a prisoner.

Annawon

2010-01-08, 09:35

A nation that cherishes its people so much that it offers to care for them when they're sick, freely educate themm, and even when unemployed, disabled, mentally ill, elderly, orphaned, poor, black, yellow, brown, will still offer that same help.

So tell me, what exactly is BRITAIN, it's not England, sewn? Do tell....

And what the hell is that ugly old Injun got to do with a discussion about Britain?

The connection is clear. How does it feel to be the country that gets invaded and used.

Trog

2010-01-08, 09:48

The connection is clear. How does it feel to be the country that gets invaded and used.

Well, since you're dealing with a Scot here, I think the answer is that we fought back and kicked their arse and survive to this day as a result.

Immigrants are not invaders; unwanted parasites, aye. But we still feed them, we clothe them, we nourish and care for them. Then they spit in our face and do a sun dance thinking that they somehow earned the right to be here. Well, they didn't, they're guests and very well cared for ones at that. Living off the blood of my ancestors.

Anyway, how would you rather be living? In w wig-wam hunting buffalo, or at home on your PC writing this? Our invasions brought progress and civilisation. Immigrants here often bring their burdens and cause digress from our values and thus undermine the whole economy and culture.

Zupan

2010-01-08, 11:33

A friend of mine who studied medicine in Poland (he didn't have enough credentials to study at a local institution) was savagely kidnapped and beaten for 48 hours by a handfull of native brutes of that nation, he was eventually transfered to a local school after this seemingly customary incident that took place in warsaw.

Anyways do you have any pics to share concerning the topic?

You wanna know why? We slavs don't tolerate islam nor non-white populations :) Were keeping mother Europa clean :D

bleck

2010-01-08, 12:05

Niggas please tell me you ever got treated badly by Hindus or Sikhs in UK. Go to any bar in UK, if you ever spot a Sikh you can always go up to him and toast a pint. During festivities your Hindu neighbours will always invite you over to their home to join in and will send homemade food over to your place. Stop bullshitting around like as if Hindus/Sikhs are as bad as you make us to be.

By the way, Hindus don't steal White women, there Indian male-White female ratio is equal to White male-Indian female ratio.

Patels/Mittals are friendly people who make good business with you. Sikhs/Rajputs are heavily involved in national security of Britain.

Its the Muslims who stink the place up.

Zupan

2010-01-08, 12:11

bleck

2010-01-08, 12:26

There is a small difference. The immigrants of former colonies that flood the UK usually don't have a single drop of British blood. That's not the case of the Latin American immigrants who, no matter they may have admixtures, they usually have quite a bit or quite a lot of Iberian blood. Latin Americans and Iberians are relatives, whether you like it or not. That's not the case of Africans or Asians moving to the UK.

Since you brought race up... a mutt South(Latin) American is less akin to an Iberian compared to a fully Indid Paki or NorthWest Indian is to a White Brit. The mutt South American is less likely to be as productive to a fully Indid Sikh/Hindu. South Americans provide as coolies (jobs that nobody wants) whereas Indians actually compete with Brits in all the "respected" occupations thats the reason that bugs most Brits who are against immigration.

And racially speaking a harmonious looking and high IQ-ed NordIndid South Asian is racially the most excellent foreign racial type for Europe. I don't promote immigration into Europe, but I'm just sayin'

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Go convert to christianity or sikhism and I will accept you.

Hindus believe all religions that ultimately lead to God is a religion that is acceptable. Hinduism doesn't seek to compete with other religions and acquire greater membership. Go to any Hindu temple, the priest won't seek to convert you or condemn your religion. Hindus don't impose their religion on others. Hindus don't want to abolish your own legal system by enforcing their religious laws. Hindus don't protest and have masse rallies. Hindus don't disrupt the peace of your region.

Hinduism itself is an amalgamation of Aryan paganism, subsequent inclusion of Indian elements and at later stages seperate attempts in the understanding of spirituality. Therefore being very diverse and having many schools of thought. Within Hinduism there is Monotheism and even Athiesm(including what some people call Buddhism). Infact Sikhism itself was established by Hindus who were believed in Monotheism.

Christianity is an Abrahamic religion with Middle Eastern origins. Hindu "paganism" Devas/Devis (who are not "gods" and "goddesses" but rather heavenly beings comparable to Hebrew Elohim) has great similarities with European Hellenistic and Slavic pantheon.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 14:07

You wanna know why? We slavs don't tolerate islam nor non-white populations :) Were keeping mother Europa clean :D

Yeah! That's why the Ottomans had their thumbs up your slavic ass for more than half a millenia, aren't Bosnians former Serbs? Quit the false pride slavic boy you aint impressing anyone.

Zupan

2010-01-08, 14:18

Yeah! That's why the Ottomans had their thumbs up your slavic ass for more than half a millenia, aren't Bosnians former Serbs? Quit the false pride slavic boy you aint impressing anyone.

Well how many weren't the turks? They attacked us at our weakest. And still only 30% of thje southern slavs converted or forcefully converted to islam. You do it on your own will. Northern India = islamic emirat soon.

Bosnians were former serbs/croats who converted to islam. How many are there 4 million total :) And there are 14 million serbs and 10 million croats in the world. Look what we did to the turks when we finally liberated ourselves, look what we bosnian serbs did to the muslims in Bosnia. Payback time :)

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 14:56

Okay, I'm a pure Brit. So I want to ask you something.

What right have your people got coming to my country, reaping the benefits of free healthcare and education and then attempt to celebrate the disappearance of my people? Whose bloodline nourishes the land, whose ancestors built up so that impoverished Africans can escape to and be taken care of, even though they've not contributed anything positive or of worth to Britain..

I never celebrated the disappearence of your people, i just want it to get spiced up and become more vibrant, i fail to see how this can be interpreted as being something threatfull.

So I ask you again, what right do you have to come to MY island and celebrate the idea of there being no one like me, a person who loves this country and who honours it greatly through respecting its proud history...

I don't live in your island and if i did i would have all the rights to live there and reap all the rewards and benefits just like your ancestors came uninvited to my semi-island and grabbed whatever they felt could benefit them without asking anyone for permission.

You are nothing but an ungrateful picanniny who would be throwing spears instead of insults if it were not for my country being in such a state as to accept your lowly begging self.Actually i have two massai spears under my soffa right now, last summer when two gangsta wannabes attempted to brake into my apartment i threw one of my massai spear across the hallway and missed his neck by an inch, never have i seen people ran as fast as they did, they didn't know what flew by them, the shock was overwhelming. So you shouldn't underestimate it's capability.

My ancestors fought famine, enslavement, prejudice, racism, and died in industrial shit holes to create the Britain you appear to love. We owe you nothing, instead, you owe us plenty for us being willing to shelter you, to care for you, nurture you and educate you.
How cute, am i suppose to shed a tear at this point?
Btw aren't you scottish, seems like the English have had you on a lockdown for quite some time now, when exactly are you going to emancipate yourself and join the rest of freemen across the globe?

Watch this - IM BRITISH, I'm WHITE and I'm fucking PROUD of it! Great that you are PROUD, i support your right to be proud, all the way, I hope no one has ever told you that you can't be proud coz that's just wrong.

Black Africans, in typical immigrant fashion are sucking the life blood from this country, there will be nothing left anyway, like everything else, just like when they found their way up the Nile and trashed the Egyptian culture, they too will have nothing but their own decaying filth to feed on.

Com'n don't open that can of worms , i hope you are not insinuating the Egyptians were british now are you? Nah i thought so, even you can't possibly be that delusional .:)

Nephilim

2010-01-08, 16:15

I don't live in your island and if i did i would have all the rights to live there and reap all the rewards and benefits just like your ancestors came uninvited to my semi-island and grabbed whatever they felt could benefit them without asking anyone for permission.

Actually i have two massai spears under my soffa right now, last summer when two gangsta wannabes attempted to brake into my apartment i threw one of my massai spear across the hallway and missed his neck by an inch, never have i seen people ran as fast as they did, they didn't know what flew by them, the shock was overwhelming. So you shouldn't underestimate it's capability.

How cute, am i suppose to shed a tear at this point?
Btw aren't you scottish, seems like the English have had you on a lockdown for quite some time now, when exactly are you going to emancipate yourself and join the rest of freemen across the globe?

Great that you are PROUD, i support your right to be proud, all the way, I hope no one has ever told you that you can't be proud coz that's just wrong.

Com'n don't open that can of worms , i hope you are not insinuating the Egyptians were british now are you? Nah i thought so, even you can't possibly be that delusional .:)

Excatly well said. The fact thats what I have been saying, they stole our wealth, they need to share it with us. All the greatness of Britian and France is from her colonies. We did not give them permission to come and plunder our lands and its resources.

Never underestimate primitve weapons at all, using a spear or sword shows intellgence and critical thinking in fighting or war itself.

Egyptians were North Europeans didn't you know that

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8.htm

Azvarohi

2010-01-08, 16:56

I am a little torn by this concept of multiculturalism. As a immigrant myself, I don't feel any negative in me or my family staying here, nor we celebrating our holidays nor talking in our own language with eachother.

However, I wonder how the swedish woman who got unprovoked attacked by some 20 immigrants felt that is was so "nice" and multicultural in her neighbourhood.

voyager

2010-01-08, 16:58

Excatly well said. The fact thats what I have been saying, they stole our wealth, they need to share it with us. All the greatness of Britian and France is from her colonies. We did not give them permission to come and plunder our lands and its resources.

Never underestimate primitve weapons at all, using a spear or sword shows intellgence and critical thinking in fighting or war itself.

Egyptians were North Europeans didn't you know that

http://www.white-history.com/hwr8.htm

Yes, but why do Spain, Italy, Germany and the Benelux countries have to act as hosts to myriads from the former British and French empires in Africa?

Nephilim

2010-01-08, 17:03

Yes, but why do Spain, Italy, Germany and the Benelux countries have to acy as hosts to myriads from the former British and French empires in Africa?

Spain, most of the immigrants that are their are from Latin America, and some North Africans who partialy were colonized by Spain. However Spain and Italy are jused used as gates to go into Britian and France. Plus Spain did have colonies in Africa, and so did Germany and Italy. They might just as while enjoy their wealth that also taken for them.

Most immigrants prefer Britian or France, or some Northern European nation.

Germany most immigrants are Guest workers who are Turkish or Kurdish. They are need for cheap labour.

Benelux same as Germany.

Malcolm Z

2010-01-08, 17:04

Nephilim

2010-01-08, 17:21

Well, since you're dealing with a Scot here, I think the answer is that we fought back and kicked their arse and survive to this day as a result.

Immigrants are not invaders; unwanted parasites, aye. But we still feed them, we clothe them, we nourish and care for them. Then they spit in our face and do a sun dance thinking that they somehow earned the right to be here. Well, they didn't, they're guests and very well cared for ones at that. Living off the blood of my ancestors.

Anyway, how would you rather be living? In w wig-wam hunting buffalo, or at home on your PC writing this? Our invasions brought progress and civilisation. Immigrants here often bring their burdens and cause digress from our values and thus undermine the whole economy and culture.

So did the British imperalists,they lived off the blood of the Africans, Arabs, North Africans(Egyptians), the Indians, and the Native Americans. Britian was well known to plunder the wealth of the nations its colonized, and even to destroy their cultural structure. This did not occur in the Middle East, however they have been pyscologicaly destroyed. It occured in North America.

Britian would never had its glory. If it was not for her colonies. They first practiced their colonial practices on the Irish, then it applied to the non-Europeans.

The European invasion did not bring glory or civilization but destruction. I see you belive in that ridiclous myth of the Whiteman's burden. Although the Native Americans were primtive, they had very advanced and complex structures. Very high moral character. However with European colonization, Alochol and other social ill that came, have continued to destroy their community.

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:lol::lol::lol:
Seriously though, perhaps England is reaping what it has sewed. Laws of the universe.

http://blogs.southflorida.com/citylink_dansweeney/sitting-bull.jpg

The people suffered the worst fate of European colonization. In Iraq the Native Americans are symbol of resistance and bravery against Colonization, and the recent American invasion. Heck some Native Canadians have Iraqi flags, and love Saddam because they saw him as resisting European Colonization and Imperalism.

I have deep sympathy for those people.

The American other in Iraq for example is symbolized by the Red Indian, as the loss of innonence and culture, by the brutual European conquests of Spain, Britian, France, and to lesser extent Portugal, and Holland.

Yet the American invader is often symbolized by the tall Nordic blue eyed men.

Decimator

2010-01-08, 21:40

Since you brought race up... a mutt South(Latin) American is less akin to an Iberian compared to a fully Indid Paki or NorthWest Indian is to a White Brit. The mutt South American is less likely to be as productive to a fully Indid Sikh/Hindu. South Americans provide as coolies (jobs that nobody wants) whereas Indians actually compete with Brits in all the "respected" occupations thats the reason that bugs most Brits who are against immigration.

And racially speaking a harmonious looking and high IQ-ed NordIndid South Asian is racially the most excellent foreign racial type for Europe. I don't promote immigration into Europe, but I'm just sayin'

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Yeah that's why India is at the same development level as Kenya while Mexico and Chile are at the level of Slovakia and Serbia! Go fuckyourself dothead australoid mutt, you're no better than us and this is showed in statistics. And go with your ilusions of Nordindids looking like Brits, a mestizo is way more European than you will ever be because a Mestizo is actually part white, unlike you Indians who are mainly Australoid + Dravid (dark brown caucasoid) + Indid (which is brown too). IN OTHER WORDS YOU LOOK LIKE A TURD. You suck at trolling Indid, you have a a very vain and empty superiority complex which only you take seriously because nobody else in this forum does

http://www.in4s.net/x/images/stories/crnagora/cigani.jpg

Dumb ass Veddah, you don't realize comparing all your NorthIndid babble (only like 2% of your billion of population) to Brits is like me comparing German Mexicans to Brits. It just doesn't make sense

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-08, 22:05

You consider those kids as being ugly and inferior? I don't get the purpose of that pic. Btw are you guys fighting over who's closer to germans and britts, now that's like the epitome of inferiority complex:o

jonboyclem

2010-01-08, 23:17

:lol::lol::lol:
Seriously though, perhaps England is reaping what it has sewed. Laws of the universe.

http://blogs.southflorida.com/citylink_dansweeney/sitting-bull.jpg

Whats ironic about the Mexican immigration in the US the last 20 years, is that the majority of migrants are from the idigenous majority areas of South Mexico. So, in a way it seems the idigenous are taking thier land back from the European settlers, especially in the Southwest US.

Decimator

2010-01-09, 00:09

Whats ironic about the Mexican immigration in the US the last 20 years, is that the majority of migrants are from the idigenous majority areas of South Mexico. So, in a way it seems the idigenous are taking thier land back from the European settlers, especially in the Southwest US.

The majority of the last Mexican immigrants in USA are from Puebla, Guerrero, Chiapas. However before the 90's the majority were (and still are) from the central western and Northern states (Zacatecas, Durango, Chihuahua, Sonora, Jalisco, Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas, Sinaloa, Nayarit , San Luis, etc.). IMO the majority of Mexican Americans don't look more than 50% indigenous, just look at the Chicano bangers, they all have lock beards which the Salvadorians can't grow. However the ones from Chiapas and Guerrero are very indigenous, but most of these people don't move to the USA, they wander inside the country instead.

jonboyclem

2010-01-09, 00:16

^ You forgot about the Oaxacans, theres a lot of Oaxacan immigrants in Southern California

windie

2010-01-09, 00:25

In one hundred years time Africa and Asia might be Super Powers. China and Japan are well on their way. Most of Europe could be in poverty. Europe might never get to the point of Multiculturalism that scare White Nationalist and Native Europeans. That's how the cycle of life is.

Anodyne

2010-01-09, 00:29

Then what do you think is the reason for most of the crimes in inner city?

People with dispositions towards violence in an environment where it is culturally acceptable to act out violently. Also, violent criminals tend to be dumb. They're impulsive rather than reflective.

I grew up with many stupid White kids who were aggressive but their behavior wasn't rewarded.

From what I seen from personal experience in several different inner city neighborhoods in the US. Most of the criminal activity I seen was involved with making a living.

But they don't even earn much. Selling drugs, and fending off competitors, is a shitty job. Only the big boys live large. Working at Burger King is better.

Here's an article about the sucess of charter schools in inner city areas.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704779704574555994244755948.html

If you refute that, I'll show more articles of evidence.

It's just a recent article making a claim. I don't see any hard facts and it wouldn't be the first time I hard such a claim just to have it revealed later that teachers were helping there students on the state test.

But having a job means that people are not justing hanging around the corner "chillng wit dere homies" all day.

So when people have jobs they behave but when people don't have jobs they don't behave because of peer pressure? I don't think it's as simple as that. We tend to surround ourselves with people similar to ourselves. Either you're inclined towards mischief or you are not. We can expect teenagers to get into some sort of mischief but selling drugs, or breaking into cars, etc. is something else.

In Los Angeles, Westwood has a whole different feel with the diverse economic oppertunities avalable compared to Florence and Normandie in South LA, where the only jobs available are in fast food and check cashing.

Look at the community (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westwood,_Los_Angeles,_California). Why would business take a risk in a ghetto like Camden in New Jersey? I know I wouldn't go there just to go to a store.

This is one point you are right about. Before the social reforms in the 60's, most AA's made a decent living off of the manufacturing jobs that were available in the cities and most and most AA families had stability in the families. But the social reforms broke up the AA family structure to the state where it is today.

And it was predicted the social reforms would be problematic.

Grow up in an enviroment like I did in South Central Los Angeles, and you'll have an entierly different perspective to whats going on.

I've known Whites and Asians who have grown up in bad areas of Jersey City among Blacks. Needless to say they're extremely racist towards Blacks.

But anyway, personal experience has little do with whether something is true or not because we view it through our own foggy glasses. Although we could touch on the reality with our personal experiences but we can't base a belief on only that.

riser

2010-01-09, 00:59

This is the most disgusting thread yet on this forum. It really shows people's true genocidal characters.

Anodyne

2010-01-09, 02:00

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I think we should all try to get along. Here's some multicultural and interracial love.

Inquiring Mind

2010-01-09, 05:16

I hope the new generation of mixed breeds will treat the gypsy minority better than the old native whites. I hope there will be no racism or religious hatred anymore but im a little bit afraid of all the many muslims who may establish shariah or discriminate against other religions when they are in majority

pinguin

2010-01-09, 10:54

The European invasion did not bring glory or civilization but destruction. I see you belive in that ridiclous myth of the Whiteman's burden. Although the Native Americans were primtive, they had very advanced and complex structures. Very high moral character. However with European colonization, Alochol and other social ill that came, have continued to destroy their community.

The people suffered the worst fate of European colonization. In Iraq the Native Americans are symbol of resistance and bravery against Colonization, and the recent American invasion. Heck some Native Canadians have Iraqi flags, and love Saddam because they saw him as resisting European Colonization and Imperalism.

I have deep sympathy for those people.
.

I agree, and I have a deep sympathy for them, too.

The American other in Iraq for example is symbolized by the Red Indian, as the loss of innonence and culture, by the brutual European conquests of Spain, Britian, France, and to lesser extent Portugal, and Holland.

Yet the American invader is often symbolized by the tall Nordic blue eyed men.

Well, a small detail here. The brutish of all the colonizers of the Americas were the Portuguese. Spaniards had a brute start but they reformed quite a bit, and in Hispanic Americas the native populations survived the most. The French intermarried freely with the American Indians. The British, on the other hand, also intermarried, but that was done more undercover, and with a sense of shame. Racism, you know.

In any case, the Amerindian populations of the Americas is still today 80 million people, which is not small, and the mixed European Amerindian peoples (in any degree) are the largest majority in all the New World.

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Since you brought race up... a mutt South(Latin) American is less akin to an Iberian compared to a fully Indid Paki or NorthWest Indian is to a White Brit.

mutt? I am not calling names to South Asians. It is you that started.

And your comment is really ridiculous. What could have in common a English Gentlemen, a Scotish piper, or a Welsh farmer with an South Asian Fakir... :whoco::whoco:

They are not only different in genetics and looks. They aren't relatives either. They don't share ancestors and cultures in comon. Just the fact that South Asians were ruled by a foreign power don't make them British.

The mutt South American is less likely to be as productive to a fully Indid Sikh/Hindu.

Then why South America is ten times richer than India or Paquistan? :whoco::whoco:

South Americans provide as coolies (jobs that nobody wants) whereas Indians actually compete with Brits in all the "respected" occupations thats the reason that bugs most Brits who are against immigration.

The problem you don't see is that MOST SOUTH AMERICANS won't migrate to Britain, because there is not reason to do so. People of middle and upper classes in South America live as well here as the middle and upper middle classes of Britain.
The only people that moves to Britain are the real poor, which don't have a chance here, so far. That's a group that represent about 30% of our population, and is concentrated in countries like Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador.

On the other hand, who wants to live in Pakistan or India? Countries that are a sea of poverty? No wonder that anyone that has a chance to escape from there do it. So you get the more educated people of those regions, of course. That small minority in those countries that has nothing to do there.

And racially speaking a harmonious looking and high IQ-ed NordIndid South Asian is racially the most excellent foreign racial type for Europe. I don't promote immigration into Europe, but I'm just sayin'

racial type? The average South Asian is not considered a wonder of beauty in Europe, if you haven't notice.

bleck

2010-01-09, 16:24

Yeah that's why India is at the same development level as Kenya while Mexico and Chile are at the level of Slovakia and Serbia! Go fuck yourself dothead australoid mutt,

Oooh someone got hurt real bad. But what can I say truth hurts. Thats not a very polite way of talking to a female btw.:unsure:

you're no better than us and this is showed in statistics.

Citations needed.

And go with your ilusions of Nordindids looking like Brits, a mestizo is way more European than you will ever be because a Mestizo is actually part white,

Heh I didn't say that. Btw you mexicans very closely resemble "typical brown" Indians. Most of us Indians are GrazilIndid-Weddid mixed and we look just like you mexiscum.:lol:

You suck at trolling Indid, you have a a very vain and empty superiority complex which only you take seriously because nobody else in this forum does

I don't have superiority complex. You seem to be deeply upset by what I said. Why is that?

http://www.in4s.net/x/images/stories/crnagora/cigani.jpg

:rolleyes:

Oh so you find yourself a bunch of dalit kids from probably the most Southern corner of India to try and make us all Indians look less alike Whites(not like it should matter)?

Dumb ass Veddah, you don't realize comparing all your NorthIndid babble (only like 2% of your billion of population) to Brits is like me comparing German Mexicans to Brits. It just doesn't make sense

You are actually putting Whites on a very high pedestal, do you realize that?

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mutt? I am not calling names to South Asians. It is you that started.

lol I don't speak for "South Asians". I only defend Indians and I call my own people as mutts.:lol:

pinguin

2010-01-09, 17:06

Heh I didn't say that. Btw you mexicans very closely resemble "typical brown" Indians. Most of us Indians are GrazilIndid-Weddid mixed and we look just like you mexiscum.:

Most of you, Indians, are mixed with Australoids. Forget it, Western people do not consider people of India or South East Asia to be whites at all. I understand, though, that India is a cousin civilization from Europe, both with a common Indo-European origin, but Europeans don't see it in that way.

With respect to Mexicans and other Latin Americans, it is true they (and me) are mixed. But what is also true is that more than the 50% (between 50 to 80%) of our genetic heritage is European. Directly European. So, whether Europeans accept it or not, or if they consider us "white" or not, that doesn't matter.

Latin Americans are actually RELATIVES of Europeans. Not that we care that much, though.

lol I don't speak for "South Asians". I only defend Indians and I call my own people as mutts.:lol:

Well, I feel I great respect for India and its civilization.

jonboyclem

2010-01-09, 17:34

Most of you, Indians, are mixed with Australoids. Forget it, Western people do not consider people of India or South East Asia to be whites at all. I understand, though, that India is a cousin civilization from Europe, both with a common Indo-European origin, but Europeans don't see it in that way.

With respect to Mexicans and other Latin Americans, it is true they (and me) are mixed. But what is also true is that more than the 50% (between 50 to 80%) of our genetic heritage is European. Directly European. So, whether Europeans accept it or not, or if they consider us "white" or not, that doesn't matter.

Latin Americans are actually RELATIVES of Europeans. Not that we care that much, though.

Well, I feel I great respect for India and its civilization.

Us African Americans could be considered direct descendants of Europeans also, with the average being 18% European, and 20% of AA's having 25-50% European genes mosty from the British Isles. We are far from from "white", but the strange thing is that the average South Indian is darker than the average African American.

pinguin

2010-01-09, 17:41

Us African Americans could be considered direct descendants of Europeans also, with the average being 18% European, and 20% of AA's having 25-50% European genes mosty from the British Isles. We are far from from "white", but the strange thing is that the average South Indian is darker than the average African American.

Indeed. African Americans, Jamaicans and most Caribbean Black peoples, and Brazilian Black peoples are also European descendents.

Consider this study on Black Brazilians.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6284806.stm

And a picture of Idli Silva,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dq9xOrW6GM4/SKXd2yYhrjI/AAAAAAAABnI/Es_rCfK029I/s400/Is02_730.jpg

So, wheter East Indians like it or not African Americans and Blacks of the New World in general have an European genetic heritage, too.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-09, 17:43

Cail

2010-01-09, 17:46

I've noticed that African-americans downplay whatever admix they might have from Europe

Far from true. There is even an internal discrimination (lighter Blacks with more addmix discriminate against dark Blacks). Are you an Afram yourself? Forgot about "paper bag test"?

pinguin

2010-01-09, 17:46

I've noticed that African-americans downplay whatever admix they might have from Europe while Latin-americans persistantly celebrate and wave around their European admixture, very interesting to observe the contrast in mindset.

Well, Latin Americans don't celebrate theirs European heritage because they came from Europe, but because they were our ancestors. There is a very important difference in that.

jonboyclem

2010-01-09, 17:53

I've noticed that African-americans downplay whatever admix they might have from Europe while Latin-americans persistantly celebrate and wave around their European admixture, very interesting to observe the contrast in mindset.

It's because of the one drop rule mentality we have in the US, if there was any known SSA ancestor or display any SSA trait, the person would be considered "black". Most of us AA's also believe the European admix came from white slave masters raping black women during slavery, so its not a badge of honor of having European genetic heritage.

bleck

2010-01-09, 18:04

Us African Americans could be considered direct descendants of Europeans also, with the average being 18% European, and 20% of AA's having 25-50% European genes mosty from the British Isles. We are far from from "white", but the strange thing is that the average South Indian is darker than the average African American.

What would the average AA skin tone be? South Indians are not all as dark as people make them seem to be. The Brahmins and "Upper Class" Tamils can be actually light skinned.

f.e Tamil Brahmin couples

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_URBW3v9YlvE/R4fphhdBxVI/AAAAAAAABJo/eui0roDZ6yQ/s512/01380012.JPG
http://api.ning.com/files/DR9wRmIBKlbipl0F2Se252FIGijdJNI2WhQJzI7P5HdWAIGmU5 2yysmAAtLS9tWaoDk2S3yhaq8Ibqp-mIPdrwMWAJbPuLFv/ChandrasekararajaramanwithGomathi.JPG

Nephilim

2010-01-09, 18:06

Europeans created multiculturalism and the fad of race-mixing. This only prove it, and sadly for the Europeans who try to deny this, its written for ever in the genes of those population.

Non-Whites never mixed race as much as White Europeans. In many ways like I said in my original post, this was encouraged by the European governments in order to gain the trust of the non-Europeans.

pinguin

2010-01-09, 18:08

It's because of the one drop rule mentality we have in the US, if there was any known SSA ancestor or display any SSA trait, the person would be considered "black". Most of us AA's also believe the European admix came from white slave masters raping black women during slavery, so its not a badge of honor of having European genetic heritage.

That one-drop-rule is simply Yankee fascism. But I wonder why Black Americans follow in the game to White racists.

In any case, I remember that not long ago Muhammad Ali, the great boxer, was celebrated by the Irish descendents as one of its greatest figures.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/01/muhammad-ali-visits-irela_n_274351.html

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/102031/thumbs/s-MUHAMMAD-ALI-large.jpg

as the three-time heavyweight champion visited the home of his great-grandfather Abe Grady.

Grady settled in Kentucky in the 1860s and married a freed slave. One of their grandchildren, Odessa Lee Grady Clay, gave birth to Ali � then Cassius Clay � in 1942.

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samira

2010-01-09, 18:10

some of you are seriously mistaken if you think london will ever become like brazil, this will never happen simply because blacks in brazil were forced to assimilate and stripped of their culture and their unique identity, that’s why in london interracial couples tend to be caribean blacks and white british (and even this is rare), they share much more in common in terms of culture, language, and religion, so I really don’t know why some of you seemed to single out pakistanis as if they were the most advocate supporters of racial mixing, when in fact their one of the most culturally/ religiously guarded people in britain who rarely mix outside of their own community.

pinguin

2010-01-09, 18:12

jonboyclem

2010-01-09, 18:14

What would the average AA skin tone be? South Indians are not all as dark as people make them seem to be. The Brahmins and "Upper Class" Tamils can be actually light skinned.

f.e Tamil Brahmin couples

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_URBW3v9YlvE/R4fphhdBxVI/AAAAAAAABJo/eui0roDZ6yQ/s512/01380012.JPG
http://api.ning.com/files/DR9wRmIBKlbipl0F2Se252FIGijdJNI2WhQJzI7P5HdWAIGmU5 2yysmAAtLS9tWaoDk2S3yhaq8Ibqp-mIPdrwMWAJbPuLFv/ChandrasekararajaramanwithGomathi.JPG

Thats the upper castes tho, the average Tamil is super dark.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/18/svTAMILS_wideweb__470x338,0.jpg

Here's an average crowd of AA's, notice that most of them are lighter skinned than the photo of Tamils above.

http://www.blackhandside.net/121107_1123_Blackstuden1.jpg

Decimator

2010-01-09, 18:16

That's a damn extreme example, those Tamils look like they came out of Australia

pinguin

2010-01-09, 18:23

They did. Tamils are mainly Australoids, aren't they?

bleck

2010-01-09, 18:29

So, wheter East Indians like it or not African Americans and Blacks of the New World in general have an European genetic heritage, too.

I don't wish to go off-topic but at the same time when people directly give reference I can't help but respond.

So anyways yes New World (Blacks(Mulattoes)/Mexicans(Mestizoes)) have European heritage never denied that. And its not about whose "whiter". I was simply responding to the way how some posters made Indians as a whole be as a severe racial threat. I simply had to compare about Sikhs and Hindus. Because we don't take more than we return infact in many instances we benefit the society.

So if you are saying that Europe should not have non-Europeans, okay yay I understand that. But I don't see the point with exaggerating.

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-09, 18:33

What would the average AA skin tone be? South Indians are not all as dark as people make them seem to be. The Brahmins and "Upper Class" Tamils can be actually light skinned.

f.e Tamil Brahmin couples

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_URBW3v9YlvE/R4fphhdBxVI/AAAAAAAABJo/eui0roDZ6yQ/s512/01380012.JPG
http://api.ning.com/files/DR9wRmIBKlbipl0F2Se252FIGijdJNI2WhQJzI7P5HdWAIGmU5 2yysmAAtLS9tWaoDk2S3yhaq8Ibqp-mIPdrwMWAJbPuLFv/ChandrasekararajaramanwithGomathi.JPG

At my college i had two Teligu Brahmin exchange students who lived at my dorm, they were from south india, and they were dark as charcoil. So you're not fooling me into beleiving that brahmins are all pinkish white in colour, not after the encounter with my hyper melanetad brahmin dorm-mates.
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pinguin

2010-01-09, 18:36

The point started when somebody said that the poor South Americans that migrated to Europe had not business in there at all, while South Indians were all sucessful college educated people.

So, I bet we have already answer that argument. All the peoples of the New World, Blacks and Latinos included, have more ancestors in Europe than people of most the Third World, including places like India, Somalia, China, Indonesia or the Middle East.

bleck

2010-01-09, 18:40

Thats the upper castes tho, the average Tamil is super dark.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/03/18/svTAMILS_wideweb__470x338,0.jpg

Its also about the region even within a particular state. And since Indians regardless whether Punjabi or Tamil or Bengali can be heavily mixed so for the outsider essentially all Indians are "brown" or "black". Its about the racial composition rather than skin colour.

Malid Tamil, clearly non-Caucasoid
http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/panya.jpg

very dark / black Tamil but clearly morphologically strongly Caucasoid influenced features
http://www.thehairtrader.com/itemimages/255489_1_156185.JPG

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-01-09, 18:42

So, I bet we have already answer that argument. All the peoples of the New World, Blacks and Latinos included, have more ancestors in Europe than people of most the Third World, including places like India, Somalia, China, Indonesia or the Middle East.

I don't think anyone (from the third world countries you listed above) other than the north indian girl is interested in taking part of this lame "who has more european blood" contest. So you shouldn't invoke them in your little quarell with the indian girl.

bleck

2010-01-09, 18:49