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Imagine there exists a Gene, a living thing, that has survived since the beginning of "Time" and will continue to persist until the end of "Time". That is to say… this particular Gene, a simple combination of energy, materials, and information… will never die as long as the Universe will exist. In fact, to presume an 'end' to this particular gene, is also to presume an 'end', or beginning, to the very Universe itself.
Thus one must ask: In what particular part of the entire universe is 'life' divided-apart from "non-life"? What is Living compared to what is Dead? If you believe there exists a "beginning & end" of the Universe, and thus space & time, then you also must believe life (within the Universe, space & time) must become limited to these same physical constraints. Life and non-Life within the universe is inseparable, based-upon the fact that, life is material (energy/force) and non-life is material (energy/force).
The problem is: not all genes "survive" insofar that not all genes replicate…
But imagine for a moment that this one particular gene, let's call it "God Gene", was around since the beginning of the universe, space, and time… and has always existed & replicated… and continues to replicate today. And this "God Gene" will continue to replicate for Eternity because it either will not, or cannot, die.
For example… let's put things in pragmatic terms. There are ~7bil humans on Earth. Given that Evolution is true, humans will continue to evolve forever and already have Evolved since forever beforehand. We are a product of Evolutionary force in the exact same sense as all other living forms within the entire universe. Thus, within Humanity, there will persist certain, distinct individuals who continue to defy & defy & defy the odds, and continue Replication or Sexual Reproduction with Success. These such individuals essentially represent the "God Gene" in such a way, that, anyone of them who continues to Survive… until the very 'end' of the entire universe, represents a physical, realistic, "God".
Because the Gene within such individuals, or one individual, will defy every aspect of death by extinction. Therefore: "God" is the product of "Absolute Evolution", or, Evolution played-out until the end of Space and Time itself. But if a man dies (without sexual reproduction/replication) then this man obviously is not "God" because he does not pass his Genes onto a new generation. He becomes Extinct/Dead.
The math here, and proof, is simple… the "God Gene" exists in such a way that it will continue to survive, persist, and evolve to compensate for future threats of death, and reproduce, in such a way to always have existed a priori, and will continue to persist a posteriori, until the very end of Space and Time, until the birth & death of the entire Universe.
So consider this when you think about 'Genes'. Frozen bacterium and viruses are said to exist on meteorites flying-about through space. That means… 'Genes' are being spread throughout the entire Universe, in the form of bacterium & viruses. Are we, Humanity, any different??
When you really, really think about it… no, we are not. The essence of humanity remains ingrained within the 'Gene' as a unit of replication (for life). Therefore, whether the "God Gene" exists as a simple bacteria or virus, does not dissuade the point that… Life within the Universe may have existed since the very "beginning" or until the very "end".
This is the Immortality Hypothesis.
With all of the genetic engineering, technology, science and even art the human race has accomplished, could it be that we're evolving... into... God? !?
Or is that blasphemous to suggest? :P
so what's in it for me in the end if I have the "God Gene"? Princess Peach? :P
Pioterus
2011-06-07, 14:27
Questions / Problems:
1. All life forms in the entire Universe has to be DNA-based - Are they?
2. In the Big Bang theory there is no place for anything else than Hydrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen) more or less until the death of first generation of stars - no matter existed to build a gene. How come any gene could be here "since the beginning"?
3. Humankind is just a branch of earthly lifeforms, we are not the pinnacle, we are one of many faces of evolution, when we're gone something else will show it's ugly face. God Gene has to be in each and every creature just to maximize it's chances. Any ideas how to find that bastard?
4. God Gene = spark of life?
My ideas:
Viruses might be the key, they took vast part / catalized evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Role_in_evolution), they might be the "first carriers" of this Gene. Not it's source but they are responsible for spreading it. For making it a God Gene maybe?
Not very serious:
We are the Virus Spawn, and The Virus is our ultimate GOD :|
With all of the genetic engineering, technology, science and even art the human race has accomplished, could it be that we're evolving... into... God? !?
That is one possibility; but most Christians/Jews/Moslems (theologians) will argue that "God exists outside space & time". The positive argument for 'God', in this sense, is that 'God' exists in "the future" and 'God' essentially is what all lifeforms evolve-into, or become a product of by catharsis of survivalism.
Therefore 'God' simply is a lifeform that defies all confrontations of 'Death'. The God Gene is immortal; because it cannot (or does not) "die". It simply replicates & replicates & replicates, and at no point does this particular 'gene' unit become 'extinct'.
Or is that blasphemous to suggest? :P
That depends… are you a Protestant?
According to the Catholic Church, we probably are blaspheming right now.
Oh well, fuck them… :sly:
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so what's in it for me in the end if I have the "God Gene"? Princess Peach? :P
Immortality!
If you have the "God Gene" then your genes essentially will replicate & reproduce forever. You may have a distinct, encoded 'information' within your genes that does not, never has, and may never will… die, or become extinct.
The "God Gene" hypothetically is the basic unit of gene, or a virus as another possibility, that simply avoids all manners of death/extinction. I really would call it "extinction" rather than death. Most viruses/genes really do not "die" per se. They become mutated by sexual reproduction, but do not "die off".
Bacterium and viruses survive extreme temperatures, hot & cold. So "killing" them maybe a more difficult task than people would imagine at first.
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Questions / Problems:
1. All life forms in the entire Universe has to be DNA-based - Are they?
All life probably is not DNA-based. There probably exists more fundamental units of life, and energy, that humanity currently knows of. In fact I doubt humanity is very smart/knowledgeable in terms of "the entire universe". Our knowledge of life, physics, and the universe is laughable compared to intelligences far superior than our own…
2. In the Big Bang theory there is no place for anything else than Hydrogen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen) more or less until the death of first generation of stars - no matter existed to build a gene. How come any gene could be here "since the beginning"?
First you need to believe the Universe is Finite ~ that it has a 'beginning' and 'end', a birth & death. This maybe true/false. Presuming that the Universe does have a beginning, and the Big Bang Theory is true… and Abiogenesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis) is true… then the "building blocks" of life (simple proteins and viruses which 'encode' DNA) still must exist as primary units.
You would need to look at 'life' from the atomic level; this has not yet become accomplished by the world's best scientists/philosophers. At the atomic level, "life" is nothing more than a chemical & physical reaction, determined by unknown "forces" and (environmental) events.
Life maybe 'random' within that context; so I reject it. Randomness is antithetical to the evidence & proof of life. At the very least, life seems purposeful within its Survivalism.
3. Humankind is just a branch of earthly lifeforms, we are not the pinnacle, we are one of many faces of evolution, when we're gone something else will show it's ugly face. God Gene has to be in each and every creature just to maximize it's chances. Any ideas how to find that bastard?
That's correct! :thumbsup:
It is an easy method to search for life; the difficulty is in defining life.
All one needs to to do, to procure evidence of 'Life', is to acknowledge Replication and Reproduction. Viruses reproduce (very well) but are they 'living'? Some scientists may say: no. I presume: yes, viruses are living things. So what is your definition? Or which definition(s) do you accept or believe-in as true?
4. God Gene = spark of life?
I believe so… if there is a "beginning" to the Universe.
Life maybe Finite/Infinite. Again, first you need to define it (eg. life).
My ideas:
Viruses might be the key, they took vast part / catalized evolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Role_in_evolution), they might be the "first carriers" of this Gene. Not it's source but they are responsible for spreading it. For making it a God Gene maybe?
Not very serious:
We are the Virus Spawn, and The Virus is our ultimate GOD :|
Viruses do seem to be the key… Genes and Viruses.
We need to "drop down" to the atomic level, and build "life" atom by atom, to know much further… we need improved sciences & technology in order to complete these aims.
Pioterus
2011-06-08, 14:17
According to the Catholic Church, we probably are blaspheming right now.
Oh yes, we do, by any independent thought we share, by any wish we make come true that comes from deep within us, not from their Fucked up ideology.
Oh yes, we do by thinking of anything else than paying them and obeying them
Oh well, fuck them… :sly:
I double that ;)
All life probably is not DNA-based. There probably exists more fundamental units of life, and energy, that humanity currently knows of. In fact I doubt humanity is very smart/knowledgeable in terms of "the entire universe". Our knowledge of life, physics, and the universe is laughable compared to intelligences far superior than our own…
First you need to believe the Universe is Finite ~ that it has a 'beginning' and 'end', a birth & death. This maybe true/false. Presuming that the Universe does have a beginning, and the Big Bang Theory is true… and Abiogenesis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis) is true… then the "building blocks" of life (simple proteins and viruses which 'encode' DNA) still must exist as primary units.
You would need to look at 'life' from the atomic level; this has not yet become accomplished by the world's best scientists/philosophers. At the atomic level, "life" is nothing more than a chemical & physical reaction, determined by unknown "forces" and (environmental) events.
Life maybe 'random' within that context; so I reject it. Randomness is antithetical to the evidence & proof of life. At the very least, life seems purposeful within its Survivalism.
Ok, we're advanced apes, no prob with me believing we're mostly aggressive animals with strong tendencies to dominate everything around us, It's the God's Gene who(or what) make us do it. God's Gene doesn't necessarily needs us to be very bright*.
What we need here is ANYway of encoding information, even different levels of electron's energy would do. There should be some way however of transforming this information (God's WORD) from Hydrogen's electrons into DNA or other forms of "alien" life's basic code.
I can see this as basic paradigm of evolution, from Electron into Super-Beings of sort, natural selection as the only MORALE of this GOD, evolution the way it's/ his WORD is being transgressed into higher forms of life, any life.
We're in competition here -> to compete is to "pray" / obey the God's Gene will. Stars are The Final Frontier (at least for our current stage of evolution).
*To make God's Gene "interested" in developing our intelligence:
If we think of our next step, it could be to cyborgize ourselves or to create our "children" through genetics and electronics/ micromechanics. Then we can somehow attach our genes into the WORD, and make them spread with this super_Gene forever.
Karl der Große
2011-06-08, 17:50
According to Kant; we cannot conceive the eternity, but also can not conceive any point in the past without feeling immediately that something existed before it.
I fully agree with him
, within Humanity, there will persist certain, distinct individuals who continue to defy & defy & defy the odds, and continue Replication or Sexual Reproduction with Success. These such individuals essentially represent the "God Gene" in such a way, that, anyone of them who continues to Survive… until the very 'end' of the entire universe, represents a physical, realistic, "God".
Because the Gene within such individuals, or one individual, will defy every aspect of death by extinction. Therefore: "God" is the product of "Absolute Evolution", or, Evolution played-out until the end of Space and Time itself. But if a man dies (without sexual reproduction/replication) then this man obviously is not "God" because he does not pass his Genes onto a new generation. He becomes Extinct/Dead.
This is the Immortality Hypothesis.
Interesting, I hadn't considered that immortality could necessarily exist within evolution. Although quantum immortality means that, yes, somewhere in the infinite number of universes out there there will be immortal copy of you. Does that make you God in that Universe? :lol: I'm God somewhere out there? All of a sudden being God isn't feel like such a big deal? :lol:
There's a thought experiment, in which you have a [theoretical] device which you attach yourself to, every time the device kicks into action either you live or you die. Now, in this universe you may live, but in another universe that branches off you will die. You are still alive here, you run the experiment again, and you die- but in another universe you are still alive. And so on and on ad infinitum.
Pioterus
2011-06-11, 08:37
You would need to look at 'life' from the atomic level; this has not yet become accomplished by the world's best scientists/philosophers. At the atomic level, "life" is nothing more than a chemical & physical reaction, determined by unknown "forces" and (environmental) events.(...)
All one needs to to do, to procure evidence of 'Life', is to acknowledge Replication and Reproduction. Viruses reproduce (very well) but are they 'living'? Some scientists may say: no. I presume: yes, viruses are living things. So what is your definition? Or which definition(s) do you accept or believe-in as true?
I think one cannot put a point where "dead" matter becomes "living" first there was this problem with "living-dead" viruses, then prions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Prion_replication_mechanism), methinks everything is blurred here.
There are some basic mechanisms encoded into subatomic matter that seamlessly connect a quark, an atom, inorganic and organic compounds our bodies and our "minds". We're living-dead atoms, highly organized thanks to those basic laws of physics (unkown to us yet or fornever, we're just building theories that work under some given conditions).
EDIT: So basically all matter is alive OR all life is matter (dead), I prefer to think the former, however both seem truth :)
EDIT2: (i just walked my dog and got this idea) - What if those basic laws are the God's Gene, as Jews and Magi would call it - the lost meaning of IHWH? the code we're looking for is simply the "law of nature", it is immortal, it is encoded into all matter, regardless of it's complexity (both minerals and brains and minds).
Interestingly we are products of leftovers from the outer universe since our physical bodies are comprised of Hydrogen Oxygen Carbon Nitrogen which are all found in the universe. So technically we are a result of additive leftovers of exploded or collided planets and stars which are products of the initial event.
So every form of matter and energy is "God" no matter the experience that it faced during the course of time or the form that it will have after it fails to exist before or after one draws the line.
Interesting, I hadn't considered that immortality could necessarily exist within evolution. Although quantum immortality means that, yes, somewhere in the infinite number of universes out there there will be immortal copy of you. Does that make you God in that Universe? :lol: I'm God somewhere out there? All of a sudden being God isn't feel like such a big deal? :lol:
There's a thought experiment, in which you have a [theoretical] device which you attach yourself to, every time the device kicks into action either you live or you die. Now, in this universe you may live, but in another universe that branches off you will die. You are still alive here, you run the experiment again, and you die- but in another universe you are still alive. And so on and on ad infinitum.
Let's stay within our own 'universe' for this hypothesis… :unsure: hah.
The primary thing here is genetic replication; as genetic replication is the basis for life itself (ie. cellular organisms). If life is viral or sub-atomic then this still does not dispute the need for life's continued reproduction. Thus whatever process ensures the continued survival, reproduction, and evolution of any/every specie, also becomes included within the Immortality Hypothesis, based-upon probability.
In simpler words, Life is a function of space & time as-is all (inorganic) matter as well.
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Ok, we're advanced apes, no prob with me believing we're mostly aggressive animals with strong tendencies to dominate everything around us, It's the God's Gene who(or what) make us do it. God's Gene doesn't necessarily needs us to be very bright*.
That's true… one of the primary functions of life is "Unintelligent" replication and domination through numbers: "Zerg tactics". An organism that out-reproduces all others essentially could embody such 'Immortality' as a function of its DNA or code.
What we need here is ANY way of encoding information, even different levels of electron's energy would do. There should be some way however of transforming this information (God's WORD) from Hydrogen's electrons into DNA or other forms of "alien" life's basic code.
It interests me that you bring-up electrons, which represent 'negative' energy or magnetic-force. Because I relate that to conceptual non-existence. In other words, to build life out-of "electrons" per se maybe impossible in terms of what electrons (negative energy) actually is…
Let me put it this way instead… whatever material 'code' theoretically is smallest and knowable to begin with ~ this basic unit encodes the reproduction of all cellular organisms and/or viruses. But life on the 'atomic' level is different than a simple analysis of genes/bacterium. And viruses are another thing.
I can see this as basic paradigm of evolution, from Electron into Super-Beings of sort, natural selection as the only MORALE of this GOD, evolution the way it's/ his WORD is being transgressed into higher forms of life, any life.
We're in competition here -> to compete is to "pray" / obey the God's Gene will. Stars are The Final Frontier (at least for our current stage of evolution).
Interesting…
I interpret this as linguistic evolution. As human life becomes more 'evolved' so too does our language, and thus our encoded information in language, as well as our actual genetic code. After all, the genetic code itself is nothing more than information, not unlike computer programming language. A skilled computer programer, developing his own language, can/should become likened to a god-like creation of "Artificial" intelligence. So language is artificial/natural, a product of life or an exception to the rule?
Wittgenstein and philosophy of language studies is important here…
*To make God's Gene "interested" in developing our intelligence:
If we think of our next step, it could be to cyborgize ourselves or to create our "children" through genetics and electronics/ micromechanics. Then we can somehow attach our genes into the WORD, and make them spread with this super_Gene forever.
Are not genes already "The Word" as this hypothesis outlines…?
Since genes represent information, that is the presumption here.
Life itself is a code of information, if not on the genetic level, then on the atomic level.
I think one cannot put a point where "dead" matter becomes "living" first there was this problem with "living-dead" viruses, then prions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prion#Prion_replication_mechanism), methinks everything is blurred here.
There are some basic mechanisms encoded into subatomic matter that seamlessly connect a quark, an atom, inorganic and organic compounds our bodies and our "minds". We're living-dead atoms, highly organized thanks to those basic laws of physics (unkown to us yet or fornever, we're just building theories that work under some given conditions).
Well-said on this point… "living-dead" atoms is a fair way to put it.
This hypothesis should aggravate the very definition between life and death. What is living? What is dead? These are fundamental, philosophical questions pertaining to Existence. Anybody supposedly can reflect-upon them. But how many actually do so? Who truly is concerned with what it means "to live" life? And what is the worth of philosophical analysis and meditation?
By understanding the "thinking thing" as living, and existent… the "living-dead" atom becomes a blur of which categories of things (ie. Kant's Categorical Imperative) either are 'living' or 'dead'. Thus life & death are classifications from the perspective of the living (human). At the very least, dead things do not classify (or conceive) the world since these things lack "consciousness". But if Consciousness is physical 'energy' then the categorization becomes conflated.
At least, Energy is connected to the definitions of both life & death.
EDIT: So basically all matter is alive OR all life is matter (dead), I prefer to think the former, however both seem truth :)
And that (presumption) is just the very beginning to these reflections… :D
If you presume it… and if it is true… then all atomic mass becomes 'conscious' at least on the level of 'energy'. You presume a connection between what is Consciousness :as: Energy.
EDIT2: (i just walked my dog and got this idea) - What if those basic laws are the God's Gene, as Jews and Magi would call it - the lost meaning of IHWH? the code we're looking for is simply the "law of nature", it is immortal, it is encoded into all matter, regardless of it's complexity (both minerals and brains and minds).
I see it that way too… the deeply religious Jews are perhaps at the forefront of all peoples on Earth who actively seek-out "God's Word", as a metaphor for life-itself. At least they know, as did European Christian and Pagan scientists, that Physical Laws which dictate motion (of the universe) coincide with "God's Law". That is a starter point.
But there exists a (slight) difference between understanding atomic information and biological information. Again, these are differences of Categorization. If biological information is atomic (and it is…) then what is 'dead' must become separated from what is atomic.
Rephrased: what is the difference between the atomic structures of living things apart from 'dead' things?
Bacterium, cells, viruses, DNA, and RNA are all the critical 'ingredients' here. Dead things supposedly do not have these things. Dead things are (alike) rocks, water, air, fire… "the elements" of nature.
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According to Kant; we cannot conceive the eternity, but also can not conceive any point in the past without feeling immediately that something existed before it.
I fully agree with him
That depends on how you see, and define, Eternity. If you mean the dimensions of space & time then you presuppose the infinitude of these… measurements. But if there exist other physical 'Dimensions' then the analysis becomes a moot point. You need to begin asking questions such as: Does understanding the "higher" dimension of time offer a complete & absolute (eg. infinite) analysis of the "lower" dimensions of physical depth, width, and length?
This answer may shock most people…
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Interestingly we are products of leftovers from the outer universe since our physical bodies are comprised of Hydrogen Oxygen Carbon Nitrogen which are all found in the universe. So technically we are a result of additive leftovers of exploded or collided planets and stars which are products of the initial event.
So every form of matter and energy is "God" no matter the experience that it faced during the course of time or the form that it will have after it fails to exist before or after one draws the line.
I'd say the formulation of these atomic 'ingredients' is the important part. While hydrogen & oxygen can encode 'water' in the form of 'H2O' ~ so too does life become formed by further constituent, chemical reactions.
Pioterus
2011-06-13, 08:56
It interests me that you bring-up electrons, which represent 'negative' energy or magnetic-force. Because I relate that to conceptual non-existence. In other words, to build life out-of "electrons" per se maybe impossible in terms of what electrons (negative energy) actually is…
Let me put it this way instead… whatever material 'code' theoretically is smallest and knowable to begin with ~ this basic unit encodes the reproduction of all cellular organisms and/or viruses. But life on the 'atomic' level is different than a simple analysis of genes/bacterium. And viruses are another thing.
There is no borderline between a quark a bozon and an atom that is build of them, why shall the electrons represent negative energy? In string theory everything is just a portion of vibrating energy. E-mc2 means there is even no borderline between matter and energy as everything is both (light is mostly energy but still a particle of photon has it's own mass coming directly out of it's speed).
What we observe is just the more complex the matter the better it fits into Newtonian Universe as the Feynmann's diagrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram) can be replaced by "standard" mechanics. Meaning the more "organised" it is (matter).
In my opinion when some population of "particles" that are subject to some given laws (of physics) is reaching some point of complexity it "jumps" into higher level of "existence". It works with quark's becoming more and more prdeictable when they are atoms' building blocks in bigger compunds, it also works with our minds when there is enough "surpluss" synapses to connect between each other in our brains.
I interpret this as linguistic evolution. As human life becomes more 'evolved' so too does our language, and thus our encoded information in language, as well as our actual genetic code. After all, the genetic code itself is nothing more than information, not unlike computer programming language. A skilled computer programer, developing his own language, can/should become likened to a god-like creation of "Artificial" intelligence. So language is artificial/natural, a product of life or an exception to the rule?
Wittgenstein and philosophy of language studies is important here…
I think my above post means this increasing complexity works with EVERYTHING that exists both matter, energy and ideas (languages, philosophies etc...).
Perhaps Nietzsche's Will-to-Power is the most poignant message worth considering about Immortality. Given the nature of sexual reproduction within the most primary units of (biological) life, all of life essentially resembles this continued 'Wanting' of reproduction, through sexuality. This is clear within all mammals, all species, all bacterium, all viruses, etc.
In humanity, the terms are simpler: Man wants… needs Sex(ual Reproduction).
Thus all concepts of 'Desire' ultimately coincide with the Will-to-Power as Sexual, potential energy.
Cells divide, and reproduce, but why… There surely is a reason for genetic replication, or is there not? Regardless the very division, separation, and individuation of any & every particular cell, as a unit of life, represents this "wanting", "lusting", or "needing" for "immortality".
Thus 'God' represents the highest 'Willing' or 'Wanting' or 'Needing' of life itself.
It is not just one organism… but a collection, or perhaps even all living things.
A lone man is to Society as a lone cell is to the Body, just one of many particular parts, a piece of the flesh. Thus in order to understand 'Desire', the will(power) of the individual must become recognized & correlated to the will(power) of entire societies.
Any "God Gene" simply represents the "most-willing" living organism to survive…
A Man with the highest Will-to-Power becomes obvious; he becomes successful. Or he embodies success. Look around you; you surely see successful men. Some attain 'greater' heights. And a few men "stand-out" apart from all the others. What is the measurement, except money, or fame? What is the truest measurement of desire??
What is the truest measurement of desire??? It is Willpower.
Pioterus
2011-06-13, 09:31
^ ^agreed,
For those who are in top 5% of population (not the ubermenschen per se, but those just behind)
Also my words I say when some dickheads discuss who's "bigger" is -> the most imposrtant size in Man is the size of his wallet. This means that in current stage of humankind evolution the evolutionary success is driven by the factor of being able to have children who can have children... ad nauseam. It's not a success to simply make lots of kids, the success is to be able to put them to power/ money so they also can have children.
This is why current so called "democratic" societies fo West are in fact kept but narrow elites who give the power only to their children and some outsanding individuals to keep fresh blood inflow and prevent rebellion (as those outstanders would be leaders of such riots). Check your educational system (three immortals unis etc...) but it's also same in France and I am sure elsewhere.
And the crowds are slaves kept at bay by idiotic religions and pseudo-ideologies, who are being fed hatred towards each other, Divide et Impera.
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Perhaps Nietzsche's Will-to-Power is the most poignant message worth considering about Immortality. (...)
Any "God Gene" simply represents the "most-willing" living organism to survive…
A Man with the highest Will-to-Power becomes obvious; he becomes successful. Or he embodies success. Look around you; you surely see successful men. Some attain 'greater' heights. And a few men "stand-out" apart from all the others. What is the measurement, except money, or fame? What is the truest measurement of desire??
What is the truest measurement of desire??? It is Willpower.
You probably know who was the Greatest NATION by Nietche himself? It's becouse one's willpower can be only realised to it's maximum potential in leash-free societies, Rzeczpospolita was like that, maybe only to 10% of it's people but still it was much more truly free individuals then in today's societies when you have maybe 1-2% of such people.
Man würde Jahrhunderte zurückzugehn haben, um diese vornehmste Rasse, die es auf Erden gab, in dem Masse instinktrein zu finden(...)
^ ^agreed,
For those who are in top 5% of population (not the ubermenschen per se, but those just behind)
Also my words I say when some dickheads discuss who's "bigger" is -> the most imposrtant size in Man is the size of his wallet. This means that in current stage of humankind evolution the evolutionary success is driven by the factor of being able to have children who can have children... ad nauseam. It's not a success to simply make lots of kids, the success is to be able to put them to power/ money so they also can have children.
This is why current so called "democratic" societies fo West are in fact kept but narrow elites who give the power only to their children and some outsanding individuals to keep fresh blood inflow and prevent rebellion (as those outstanders would be leaders of such riots). Check your educational system (three immortals unis etc...) but it's also same in France and I am sure elsewhere.
And the crowds are slaves kept at bay by idiotic religions and pseudo-ideologies, who are being fed hatred towards each other, Divide et Impera.
Of course, this should become expected… one method of Willpower, and there exist countless strategies of struggle within life, is to defeat and/or enslave those with lower/lesser Willpower. Divide and Conquer, of course, this strategy should become well-known to many by now.
Your observations are very astute about children. In many people, Quantity > Quality, more children = more chance of genetic survival. In elitists, Quality > Quantity, more resources = more chance of genetic survival. Regardless, the Willpower must become reduced to the same for both. It need not become an issue of either quantity or quality, but rather, Willpower itself ~ desire.
After all, a society cannot exist without quantity. And an individual cannot exist without quality. This seems like the basis for a general comparison.
You probably know who was the Greatest NATION by Nietche himself? It's becouse one's willpower can be only realised to it's maximum potential in leash-free societies, Rzeczpospolita was like that, maybe only to 10% of it's people but still it was much more truly free individuals then in today's societies when you have maybe 1-2% of such people.
You're right. :)
The ideal is to unleash those (individuals) with the highest potential, the most potent 'Willpower' or 'Desire'. When others attempt to hold this down, the human spirit cannot flourish, instead it withers and wilts. There exists a negative force to Willpower, as well as the positive force.
The absence of Willpower is the absence of Desire.
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