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Humanist
2011-07-01, 03:29
A thread to share your thoughts, experiences, etc.

MokshaMan
2011-07-01, 03:37
Feels smoother and looks prettier. From my first experiences, it looks very easy to use.

kilometro7
2011-07-01, 05:32
I like it, now I can see from where are all those 3rd cousins who have yet to accept my invitation, or the ones who have decline it.

Humanist
2011-07-01, 06:03
Learned a couple of things, at least.

First, matches for all accounts I manage, sorted according to ancestry/origin, Y-DNA, and mtDNA:

Armenian N1b -- G2a
ArmenianPaternal_RussianMaternal J1c -- J2
Armenian_FromIran X -- G2a
Assyrian X2 -- E1b1b1c1
Assyrian N1b1b -- E1b1b1c1a
Assyrian H8 -- G2a
Assyrian J1b -- G2a
Assyrian H2a1 -- J1
Assyrian K1b1 -- J1
Assyrian U7 -- J2
Assyrian U7 -- J2
Assyrian U1a3 -- J2a1b*
AssyrianFather_MaternalEuropean H10a -- J2a1b
Assyrian U1a1 -- Q1b
Assyrian H -- R1b1b2a
Assyrian H3 -- R1b1b2a
Assyrian HV -- R1b1b2a
Assyrian J1b3 -- R1b1b2a
Assyrian J1c -- R1b1b2a
Assyrian U3b -- R1b1b2a
Assyrian T1a -- R2
Assyrian H -- T
Assyrian HV -- T
Assyrian H1
Assyrian H1
Assyrian HV
Assyrian J1b1b1
Assyrian T1a
Assyrian U7
Circassian H1e -- G2a
European I1a1 -- E1b1a8a
European U5b2b -- R1a1a
European H -- R1a1a*
European U5a1a1 -- R1b1b2a
European K1a -- R1b1b2a1a2f*
European H1a3
European H6a1b2
European I4
European T2b
European U5a1
European V
EuropeanMom_FatherAssyrian H
EuropeanMom_PaternalAssyrian H11a
Iranian K1a -- T
NearEast J1d -- R1a1a*
NearEast J2a1a -- R1b1b2a
Omani K1b2b -- R1a1a
Polish U3a1 -- I1
Sicilian U6a1a
Syrian U3a
Tunisian N1c
Turkish H7
Unknown-0.09%-1 H1
Unknown-0.10%-1 HV1b -- E1b1b1c1a
Unknown-0.10%-1 T2b -- R1b1b2a1a
Unknown-0.10%-1 HV1b2
Unknown-0.11%-1 K1a4a1 -- R1b1b2a1a2
Unknown-0.11%-1 J1c -- R1b1b2a1a2d3*
Unknown-0.11%-1 N1b2
Unknown-0.12%-1 W -- J2
Unknown-0.12%-1 I1b
Unknown-0.20%-1 H1
Unknown-0.26%-2 J1d -- R1b1b2a
Unknown-0.30%-3 H6 -- R1b1b2a1a2f*
Unknown-0.33%-1 U3a -- R1a1a*
--------------------------------------------------------------

Y-DNA frequency of the 20 Assyrian male RF cousins:

R1b1b2a 30%
J2 20%
E1b1b1c1 10%
G2a 10%
J1 10%
T 10%
Q1b 5%
R2 5%

alfieb
2011-07-01, 06:19
Male, b. 1964
3rd to Distant Cousin
0.14% shared, 1 segment
Eastern Africa
H26
R1b1b2a1a1*


Apparently he has Italian colonial ancestry. :lol:

warwick
2011-07-01, 06:30
1134 -> 1269 RF matches, +135 in 1 day

---------- Post added 2011-07-01 at 01:10 ----------



Y-DNA frequency of the 20 Assyrian male RF cousins:

R1b1b2a 30%
J2 20%
E1b1b1c1 10%
G2a 10%
J1 10%
T 10%
Q1b 5%
R2 5%

my comparison for those:
11.25% J1e
10.01% E1b1b1c1
9.02% J2
4.70% Q1b
4.33% G2c
2.60% T
2.56% G2a
0.87% R2

[This is only a partial list,(only 45.3% of my ydna matches) as I only put up the numbers for the comparable haplogroups posted by Humanist]

Humanist
2011-07-01, 07:30
1134 -> 1269 RF matches, +135 in 1 day

---------- Post added 2011-07-01 at 01:10 ----------



my comparison for those:
11.25% J1e
10.01% E1b1b1c1
9.02% J2
4.70% Q1b
4.33% G2c
2.60% T
2.56% G2a
0.87% R2

[This is only a partial list,(only 45.3% of my ydna matches) as I only put up the numbers for the comparable haplogroups posted by Humanist]

Thanks for posting, my friend. No R-L23?

And the same, but for the mtDNA (n=25):

H- 28%
U- 24%
J- 16%
HV- 12%
T- 8%
K- 4%
N- 4%
X- 4%

warwick
2011-07-01, 07:43
Thanks for posting, my friend. No R-L23?

And the same, but for the mtDNA (n=25):

H- 28%
U- 24%
J- 16%
HV- 12%
T- 8%
K- 4%
N- 4%
X- 4%

.37% Three R1b1
2.0 % 16 R1b1b2 or standard nomenclature R1b1a2
1.48% 12 R1b1b2a; L23
1 R1b1b2a1; L51
1.73% 14 R1b1b2a1a;

alfieb
2011-07-01, 07:48
1134 -> 1269 RF matches, +135 in 1 day
I didn't get a single new match. Just further elaborated on old ones. :(

Vasishta
2011-07-01, 07:58
I personally liked the old format better, but the new relative finder has many sort by options which is rather convenient. However, the new RF settings haven't revealed anything new about my pending relatives. I suspect that my relatives are largely inactive on 23andMe and probably disabled notifications regarding incoming invitations and the like. Either way, all my relative finder cousins have all so far been of South Asian descent, and not incidentally so, Dravidian-speaking Brahmins from Southern India. Here is the y-DNA and mtDNA demographics of the ones I share with (of course, there are plenty of pending matches - I am sharing with only 16/59) possibly reflecting haplogroup frequencies among South Indian Brahmins in general;

y-DNA

1/14 = G2a
2/14 = L1
2/14 = R2
4/14 = J2
5/14 = R1a1a

mtDNA

2/16 = M35a1
2/16 = M5a1
2/16 = M3a
1/16 = M4a
1/16 = M35b
1/16 = M6
1/16 = R5a2b
1/16 = J1d
1/16 = U2a
1/16 = W1c
1/16 = U1a3
1/16 = U2e
1/16 = T1a1

I have at least three other mtDNA HV matches, 2 other G2a's and finally one other y-DNA G2a5. I wonder when they'll accept contact and share genomes..

Tsukonin
2011-07-01, 08:06
Great! I can now send invitations to my Scandos cousins!
And I just discovered my Moroccan match is actually a chick :) with mtdna H1.

birko19
2011-07-01, 08:08
Assyrian T1a -- R2


How da hell does it show T1a on your relative finder? :sly:

I think I'm T1a for sure, a new female relative popped up with 0.43% over 3 segments and she also carries T1a, too bad she has not accepted yet, I have a feeling this is from the same maternal line.

blank slate
2011-07-01, 08:17
nevermind.

fatale_noir
2011-07-01, 08:17
These search functions are pretty handy tbh. I was finally able to find the Bulgarian my father is related to and send him an invite/message. I'd really like to know how they're (we're) related

Svin
2011-07-01, 08:24
More just pleased 2 out of 7 Turkish cousins decided to go public now.

Humanist
2011-07-01, 08:32
How da hell does it show T1a on your relative finder? :sly:

I think I'm T1a for sure, a new female relative popped up with 0.43% over 3 segments and she also carries T1a, too bad she has not accepted yet, I have a feeling this is from the same maternal line.

I made it show. :lol:

Yeah, she is definitely Assyrian. She is related to at least three of my four grandparents. She shares most with my father: 0.61% /5 (predicted 3rd).

birko19
2011-07-01, 08:38
I made it show. :lol:

Yeah, she is definitely Assyrian. She is related to at least three of my four grandparents. She shares most with my father: 0.61% /5 (predicted 3rd).

She showed up on my uncle's relative finder as well, but I score more with her than him, so it's probably not the same line.

Btw, check the ancestry finder, so many people went public without knowing :p

Chalybus
2011-07-01, 08:47
The ancestryfinder has also become very interesting, since a lot of people are now public. This gives great insight on some strange segments.

I would recommend to fastly download the file before people can hide their profiles. :evilgrin:

birko19
2011-07-01, 08:51
All the public people on my uncle's ancestry finder seem to be white Americans with North European ancestry, very interesting.

As for me, I was unlucky with only two public ones, one Assyrian and the other Romanian.

warwick
2011-07-01, 09:00
My AJ score is now 43%, 18% higher than my genealogy would predict (probably due to double counting of segments).

EDIT:
I have a few interesting public matches, including one of the genome unzipped guys.

Ashina
2011-07-01, 09:08
More just pleased 2 out of 7 Turkish cousins decided to go public now.

Could you please check your C4a1 cousin, I really wonder where he/she is from? :ashamed:

Humanist
2011-07-01, 09:27
She showed up on my uncle's relative finder as well, but I score more with her than him, so it's probably not the same line.

Btw, check the ancestry finder, so many people went public without knowing :p

Thanks. Now I see that this RF cousin's maternal grandparents are from Russia and Iran. You and I know what that sounds like, eh? Assyrians from Iran who settled in the Soviet Union. Just as my family did. At least in this case, the connection makes a bit more sense.

European K1a -- R1b1b2a1a2f*

warwick
2011-07-01, 09:32
Well my paternal aunt now has a match with a person in Russia, with Russian Ukrainian ancestry, also about 5cm.That's a real mystery.

She also has a match with someone from Sweden, at ~5cm.

Day Tripper
2011-07-01, 09:37
All the public people on my uncle's ancestry finder seem to be white Americans with North European ancestry, very interesting.

As for me, I was unlucky with only two public ones, one Assyrian and the other Romanian.

A Swedish match is now public, and he is someone I recognize from the Eurogenes project.

What's most interesting is that my small Russian match (5.1 cM) has a name (both first name and surname) that I think is Tatar.

Humanist
2011-07-01, 09:50
All the public people on my uncle's ancestry finder seem to be white Americans with North European ancestry, very interesting.

As for me, I was unlucky with only two public ones, one Assyrian and the other Romanian.

Yeah. So far I have found:

1 UK (4 grandparents)
1 German (1 grandparent, 3 not listed)
1 Finn (4 grandparents)
1 Lithuanian/Iraqi. I am guessing the two Iraqi born grandparents are Assyrian.
1 Iraqi Kurd (forum member Palisto)
1 German/Czech (3 gp Germany/1 gp Czech Republic)

warwick
2011-07-01, 09:54
Here's a curveball:

my paternal aunt (UK/French/Irish ancestry)
my mother (Italian Jewish)

match the same person living in Moscow.
(different segments)

Ashina
2011-07-01, 10:26
Only two of my cousins are public now, but seriously nothing changed for my father. All his cousins are still hidden and I can't see their names, ancestry or profile. The exitement was for nothing really.

And my long expected Central Asian cousin was just a Turkish person who had his ancestry listed as Central Asia.

Ayca
2011-07-01, 10:38
Most new public matches in AF are white Americans, 1 US/Czech/-/Czech.

In RF I found that a 5th cousin is Russian/Palestinian (0.10%, V7a, J2)

My new list:

Georgia/Greece, K1a4, J2, 0.20%
Russia/Turkey/Greece/Greece, T2d, 0.18%
Northern Iran, K1a1b, R1b1b2a, 0.18%
Unknown, H20, J1, 0.15%
(adopted from) Russia, K1a3a1, 0.14%
US/Sweden/Russia/Russia, H1e, 0.13%
Azerbaycan/Iran, T1b, G1, 0.12%
Unknown, T2f1, 0.11%
Unknown, T2, 0.10%
Turkey, J1b1a, N, 0.10%
Russia/Palestina, V7a, J2, 0.10%
Unknown, K1a1b1a, T, 0.09%

So now 4/12 relatives have at least something Russian..

evon
2011-07-01, 11:11
i have one issue which is annoying, the new RF does not remember your settings after pressing feks invite, as after you have pressed it you go back to default settings so you need to locate for everytime you invite etc..

i have a few new public matches in RF, finally got the mtDNA B2 public and as i expected she is american..

got a shit load of public Italian, Danish, German and American AF matches, also some of my Greek and French are showing too, but their profiles contain no clues to where we could share ancestry so i guess they dont know..

my gf got a few more public matches and its strange as now her Iraqi AF match got the name of her Iranian RF match and her Croatian RF match got Bosnian/Serbian on her AF list? she also got Belgian/Austrian, American, Candian ect AF matches public..one of her Rf matches carry a English surname also..

Nordmann
2011-07-01, 11:55
Interesting that I could also see those that had previously declined and also have the opportunity ( if I would like but I won't) to send them a message.

Some interesting new matches.

evon
2011-07-01, 12:02
two new south european matches:

evon
2011-07-01, 12:47
What's most interesting is that my small Russian match (5.1 cM) has a name (both first name and surname) that I think is Tatar.

i also found a similar match on my aunts AF at 7,1cm, a Russian from Samara, she is listed as a 4th cousin, i think she too is via German settlers.

some of my aunts and uncles Russian matches (the ones that show up when i type Russia into the RF search box):

amenoameno
2011-07-01, 12:58
two new south european matches:

They are from the United States so you are probably related true scandinavian roots.

I kinda prefer the old relative finder.

evon
2011-07-01, 13:03
They are from the United States so you are probably related true scandinavian roots.

I kinda prefer the old relative finder.

no, they only live in the US..

Red Rover
2011-07-01, 13:24
Ooh my 4 GP Finn is public now as is my 4 GP Greek.

And got a Brazilian who only knows his mothers side.

I am so excited!:thumbsup:

Edit ooh my 3 GP Uzbekistan and 1 GP Turkmenistan is public

Nordmann
2011-07-01, 14:18
I got some interesting matches one Iranian at 5.5cM and one Irish lady at 5.4cM
both have their 4GP from same country.

How far back in time would I have to go to find a common ancestor to any of these two ?

Are we talking ancient times here ? like 1000 years or more ?

evon
2011-07-01, 14:30
i made a blog entry about my aunts german connections:

http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot.com/

quotablepatella
2011-07-01, 15:01
Due to the changes in RF, more people in AF are now public. Some of the people who match me and my brother whom I can now see the names of and send a message to include -

- A Pole who shares 6.9cM with my brother who was born in eastern Poland.
- A British person who shares 10.7cM with me who declined contact in RF.
- The mysterious Egypt-Sudan-India-India person with whom I share 6.4cM with (It appears that he has a very diverse ancestry, but with a rather British name).
- The Bosnian who shares 5.3cM with my brother, who lives in Croatia.
- The Finn who shares 5.7cM with my brother.
- The Australian of Dutch ancestry with whom I share 5cM with.
- A woman who lives in the US and with whom I share 7.4cM, who only knows of her maternal grandmother, who was Swedish. I'm assuming she has British Isles roots in the other three branches.
- The Slovakia-Slovakia-Hungary-Slovakia person with whom my brother shares 5.3cM with and who lives in the US.

As for RF itself, neither me nor my brother got any new matches, but I can see new information about some of the matches.

Lol_Race
2011-07-01, 15:27
I was about to post about how this update didn't do anything for me, which it didn't at first. I still have two unknown cousins in RF who I have failed to get in contact with. And I still have an unknown Ethiopian in AF.

But when I looked at it again just now, I found a new person! Same Y-DNA as me and his mtDNA is W (found in Amharas but apparently more frequent in Tigray, so he is probably northern Ethiopian or Eritrean). We'll see if he answers my introduction. I don't expect it though.

I'm guessing they lowered the threshold?

Vasishta
2011-07-01, 15:45
While I initially thought the new changes didn't do much for me (and I maintain that to a large extent), two non-Indian matches on the Ancestry Finder segments have gone public. One, an individual of fully Croatian ancestry, albeit his paternal grandmother was born in Argentina, on chromosome 6 and second; an American of European descent who is an eclectic mix of various groups from the British Isles (Scottish, Irish and English) along with some Dutch ancestry. There is another non-public, non-Indian match who's paternal side is from Spain and maternal side from Peru. I wonder what such matches might indicate. Folks are welcome to chime in on all this.

The other relatives, who happen to be the more relevant relatives i.e of Indian descent seem to be hidden, though two cousins I share with appear on the segments; one on chromosome 4 and 16 and the other on chromosome 17, who also happens to be a y-DNA G2a South Indian (I think birko19 (http://forumbiodiversity.com/member.php?u=775) probably knows who I'm talking about).

These are my results using the minimum controls i.e one grandparent from the same country; minimum segment size being 5 cM and including matches primarily from US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa.

Ashina
2011-07-01, 15:47
Wow you have some very close Indian matches!

Vasishta
2011-07-01, 16:04
^ Yup, at least five individuals are known relatives (i.e in real life) via my maternal side. My maternal side seems to be rather enthusiastic about personal genomics :p. Even the one relative who did the basic 12 Y-DNA STR testing and turned out to be R1a1 (M198) is also related to me via my maternal side.

Tsukonin
2011-07-01, 18:32
Great! I can now send invitations to my Scandos cousins!
And I just discovered my Moroccan match is actually a chick :) with mtdna H1.

So, 3 matches today and 4 cousins :) :


Morocco (http://artvamp.com/usama/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/manal-kristie-1024x574.jpg), mtdna H1
Spain, R1b1b2a1a2f/U5b2b (brother and sister)
Norway, mtdna U5a2b (from southern Norway)

Ashina
2011-07-01, 19:18
Does anyone know where the name Aptekar comes from?

Facebook finds me Indians and Russians. :D

Chalybus
2011-07-01, 19:29
Originally latin, but viaGerman/Jiddish => Apotheker (like Leo ;-) )

Ashina
2011-07-01, 19:32
Hmm thanks. 8)

Maroon King
2011-07-01, 19:34
I like it. Most of my cousins have Native American mtDNA hap groups.

evon
2011-07-01, 19:45
this is going quite well, more and more are becoming public matches:)

Nordmann
2011-07-01, 20:12
@Evon

True and my new cousins in Ireland already remind me not to forget St Patrick's Day :)

Red Rover
2011-07-01, 20:31
This is great I got a new match today and while I couldn't see her name she had her profile filled out. She is from Sweden. Hopefully she accepts my invite to share.

Lemminkäinen
2011-07-01, 20:35
Tons of public Swedish matches. Two already contacted me.

Day Tripper
2011-07-01, 20:40
Booyakasha. I have a predicted 4th cousin who is my first German born RF match (not just newly public, but a new one altogether) with roots in North Rhine-Westphalia, Berlin, Munich, and Lower Silesia.

Vasishta
2011-07-01, 20:43
Does anyone know where the name Aptekar comes from?

Facebook finds me Indians and Russians. :D

The -kar or even -ar suffix sounds Indian, specifically Marathi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language) for the former, assuming this is a given or last name of some sort.

Ashina
2011-07-01, 20:56
The -kar or even -ar suffix sounds Indian, specifically Marathi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathi_language) for the former, assuming this is a given or last name of some sort.

Yes, it seems to be a Indian but also a Russian name? It would be cool if this person was Indian, but her first name and other last name she has listed in her profile does not sound Indian. There is no Indian match in my AF either.. I am really curious who or what she is. But there is no info in her profile besides the two surnames. :(

Palisto
2011-07-01, 21:15
Yeah. So far I have found:

1 UK (4 grandparents)
1 German (1 grandparent, 3 not listed)
1 Finn (4 grandparents)
1 Lithuanian/Iraqi. I am guessing the two Iraqi born grandparents are Assyrian.
1 Iraqi Kurd (forum member Palisto)
1 German/Czech (3 gp Germany/1 gp Czech Republic)

This is indeed interesting and fascinating. :)
I am really interested who our common ancestor was, Humanist. I will know more once I got the results of other relatives (parents, etc.).

I am not so familiar with Assyrian family names, I always thought that the the suffix "yan" or "ian" is specific for Armenians (like Kim Kardashian) but could it be also Assyrian or Iranian?

Red Rover
2011-07-01, 21:16
My Swede accepted yay. She has family from all over Sweden. To celebrate I shall make Swedish meatballs for dinner.

This is good as now I can see who is more likely to respond by how much profile information they enter.

Tsukonin
2011-07-02, 17:06
So, 3 matches today and 4 cousins :) :


Morocco (http://artvamp.com/usama/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/manal-kristie-1024x574.jpg), mtdna H1
Spain, R1b1b2a1a2f/U5b2b (brother and sister)
Norway, mtdna U5a2b (from southern Norway)


Another Norwegian cousin today: J2 / X2b.

:)

evon
2011-07-02, 17:55
i have now stopped sending out invitations, its better to let them fill in their name ect info and just leave it at that...

Humanist
2011-07-02, 20:11
Booyakasha. I have a predicted 4th cousin who is my first German born RF match (not just newly public, but a new one altogether) with roots in North Rhine-Westphalia, Berlin, Munich, and Lower Silesia.

For real? Respek. :p

Humanist
2011-07-02, 20:20
This is indeed interesting and fascinating. :)
I am really interested who our common ancestor was, Humanist. I will know more once I got the results of other relatives (parents, etc.).

I am not so familiar with Assyrian family names, I always thought that the the suffix "yan" or "ian" is specific for Armenians (like Kim Kardashian) but could it be also Assyrian or Iranian?

Hello cuz. You are correct. Both "yan" and "ian" are not traditionally Assyrian. There are Assyrians, however, who have changed their names, for whatever reason. For example, my original last name was Givargis (George). My grandfather changed it to include a traditionally Georgian suffix (ie "dze"), after settling in the Ukraine, nearly a century ago.

karakoyunlu
2011-07-03, 09:42
It is very easy to track haplogroups in this format:

Y-DNA Relatives for my mom:

I1: 4
R1a1a: 7
R1b types: 13
G2a: 3
I2: 2
J2: 6 (4 pure J2)
E1b1 types: 5
O3: 1
L2: 3
T: 1

Uncle:

G2a: 4
I1: 4
J2: 9
E1b1 types: 6
R1a1a: 9
R1b1 types: 14
I2: 2
J1e: 3
L2: 3
T: 1


My dad:
R1b types: 4
R1a1a: 2
C: 1
J2: 1
I1: 1
I2b1: 1
Q1a3a:1
Q1b : 1


Myself:

R1b1 types: 35
J2a:7
J2b:2
E1b1 types: 4
I2 types: 7
I1: 7
G2a: 4
C: 1
L2: 3
Q1a:1
Q1b:1
T: 1


Mom's aunt:

I1: 2
G2a: 3
G2c*: 1
J2: 5 (1 J2b, 4 J2)
J1: 2
E1b1: 1
T: 1
I2b1: 1
R1b1 types: 3
R1a1a: 1

Chalybus
2011-07-04, 01:47
Is it normal that Italians appear in the Eastern-Euro-Plot at 23&me? I share three cousins now and all are in there. Clustering closely together near the center in the left lower quarter .

Anybody recognized that too?

Vasishta
2011-07-04, 05:40
^ Yup, at least five individuals are known relatives (i.e in real life) via my maternal side. My maternal side seems to be rather enthusiastic about personal genomics :p. Even the one relative who did the basic 12 Y-DNA STR testing and turned out to be R1a1 (M198) is also related to me via my maternal side.
I just had an invite accepted by another relative of mine who is predicted as a 2nd cousin by 23andMe, and no surprises - he's related to me via my maternal side! His y-DNA is R1a1a and mtDNA M5a1.

Haplogroups of all relatives (61 in all, sharing with 15), compiled -

y-DNA


R1a1a/R1a1a*- 17
R2 - 4
R - 1
J2 - 8
J2b2* - 1
G2a - 4
G2a5 - 1
L1 - 5
C5a - 1
D - 1
H1a* - 1
H2* - 1
N - 1


mtDNA



C4a1 - 1
H14a - 1
HV - 3
J1d - 1
M - 2
M2a2 - 2
M3 - 1
M30 - 2
M35a1 - 5
M35b - 4
M37 - 1
M38a - 2
M3a - 2
M3a1 - 1
M4a - 2
M5a1 - 6
M5a2a - 1
M5d - 1
M6 - 1
R - 2
R30 - 2
R30a - 1
R30b1 - 1
R5a1a - 1
R5a2 - 1
R5a2b - 2
R6a - 1
R6a1a - 1
T1a1 - 1
U1a1 - 1
U1a3 - 1
U2a - 4
U2e - 1
U7 - 1
W1c - 1

evon
2011-07-04, 14:44
Brits and Germans, do you match eachother using AF and RF, or just AF?

quotablepatella
2011-07-04, 15:23
Brits and Germans, do you match eachother using AF and RF, or just AF?

Quite a few of my RF matches have at least some German ancestry, and looking at the public matches, most of these are Americans.

evon
2011-07-04, 15:30
Quite a few of my RF matches have at least some German ancestry, and looking at the public matches, most of these are Americans.

so no direct RF connections then? Americans have too much British ancestry to be taken as a good example..

Lol_Race
2011-07-04, 15:33
Found another Eritrean thanks to RF. :)

Svin
2011-07-04, 15:38
Brits and Germans, do you match eachother using AF and RF, or just AF?

For my dad, only two 4 GP Germans. One 5.3 cM (not in relative finder), the other 8.8 cM, might be in RF if enough SNP's are covered.

Overall percentage other than 0.1% otherwise includes:

United Kingdom
1.9%

Denmark
0.6%

Austria
0.2%

No full Germans that i can see of in the RF. I would be fairly certain that Swedes share better with Germans than the English do. How do Norwegians fare with Germans at 23andme?

quotablepatella
2011-07-04, 15:42
so no direct RF connections then? Americans have too much British ancestry to be taken as a good example..

No, all of mine and my brother's AF connections that are part or fully German share less than 7cM with me and/or my brother.

evon
2011-07-04, 15:44
No full Germans that i can see of in the RF. I would be fairly certain that Swedes share better with Germans than the English do. How do Norwegians fare with Germans at 23andme?

my aunt has likely German ancestry, so its hard to say..plus iknow from history that there have been a large number of Germans immigrating here during the last 700 years..she has serveral German RF cousins and high AF % with Germany.

in AF my uncle who has no known German ancestry has one 4gp 5,7m match, no German RF cousins..

DragonRouge
2011-07-04, 16:08
I like the new functionality, where I can sort by last names in profile.

Chalybus
2011-07-04, 20:43
I like the functionally of filtering by just clicking on a label (Y-DNA, Mt-DNA, names, locations..)

Chalybus
2011-07-16, 00:49
new cousin. mt-DNA C4a1 = Interesting for Ashina. Maybe he has got Tatar ancestry?

evon
2011-07-16, 10:29
new cousin. mt-DNA C4a1 = Interesting for Ashina. Maybe he has got Tatar ancestry?

i added him:

C4a1 map:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=206229773377001645297.0004a5bb82d24e9195da c&msa=0&ll=45.767523,54.228516&spn=46.539778,135.263672


Asian lines in Europe map:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?msid=206229773377001645297.0004a7650847bed75c2c b&msa=0&ll=52.749594,22.675781&spn=40.927191,135.263672

evon
2011-07-16, 10:42
me and my familes last cousins:

blank slate
2011-07-16, 22:09
I was actually looking forward to this new relative finder mostly for my mom's relatives. I thought most of them would unintentionally go public, but it looks like they weren't tricked. :ashamed:

Out of the few who did go public, though, I saw one person who's a professor of a medical university in Japan, which I thought was interesting. However, since he's Japanese, the ancestral connection is likely only ancient, at best.


Oh yeah, and I found out why my closest relative probably declined my invite. She's a very elderly lady. Her profile says she only took 23andme for some health problem she has, so she probably doesn't want to be bothered. Which is understandable.

evon
2011-07-29, 23:08
well i was bored and annoyed at how many are without info..soo..

Vasishta
2011-07-30, 08:30
Sharing with two non-Indian cousins who share a small segment with me on RF. One, a Croatian, and the other, a generic Northern European descent American. There seem to be a few Eastern European, South-American and one NEU descent American relative on the Ancestry Finder segments. Quite interesting.

Lemminkäinen
2011-07-31, 12:59
I got today a new cousin from Pskov-Novgorod region. It is not a big surprise, I have many Russian cousins at RF and AF, but her result in Dienekes Oracle shows 21% Finnish (FIN) and 79% Polish (Polish_D) as a top results with the distance being only 1.6. I think that similar results could be quite common in that region of Russia.

Ayca
2011-08-02, 00:29
New cousin from Tehran. 0,14% shared (11cM), mat. hap. = K1, pat. hap. = J1e. :)

blank slate
2011-08-07, 07:37
This is why I like to keep AF on default, or 7cM settings. When I slide the bar to 5cM, there are too many results that don't make any sense.


United Kingdom
1.2%
Ireland
0.2%
Finland
0.2%

^ Fair enough. Genealogy records suggest I likely have ancestry from these 3.

Bahamas
0.2% <------------- British colony
Ukraine
0.1% <--------- wtf
Russia
0.1% <--------- wtf
Norway
0.1%
Netherlands
0.1% <---------- dunno about these.
Lebanon
0.1% <---------- a double wtf to this one
Japan
0.1% <---------- likely through Korea
Germany
0.1% <---------- likely ancient
Denmark
0.1% <---------- likely ancient
Colombia
0.1% <---------- wtf?
Belgium
0.1%
Austria
0.1% <------- both of these are likely ancient.
Lithuania
0.0% <------ it's at 0, so I'm not paying attention to it.





[edit] Nevermind; I'm an idiot. I realized I posted this in the wrong thread.

Mike the Jedi
2011-08-07, 07:43
Then being an idiot never looked so good.

Ashina
2011-08-10, 01:57
Here is something I don't get. Yesterday I got an email from 23andme saying that one of my relatives accepted my invite. So I looked at my relative finder and I saw that I got one extra cousin that day, that person was also the cousin who had accepted my invite according to the 23andme email. This person also shows up as a relative of my father. And like in my RF, she is also my dad's newest match. Though, I can't remember sending out invites to new matches in my or my dad's RF the last past weeks, let alone the last few days. Seriously though, I check my RF almost every week and the last time I checked was just a few days ago, and I don't remember any new matches. And now my dad and I have a new match who also has accepted our invite which I supposedly have sent her the past week?

Anyways, still cool though. She is a distant cousin but Turkish from Southern Turkey like me. :)

timmay
2011-08-10, 10:21
A few new wierd ones.

First one (4th to distant cousin) is a half Malay/Filipino/South-East Asian-Half Lithuanian man (what a mix, right?)-I was curious as to which side I share with him, since I have neither South East Asian or North Eastern European ancestry, but I did the whole bit by bit comparison and apparently the part I share with him is from his European father. Wierd, although I do have another 'cousin'who is part Lithuanian part Turkish or something and I always assumed it was the Turkish, although with this it could be something very far off.

Anyway, the other person identifies as 'Ukrainian-Eastern European' in their tags, I haven't seen their profile yet so I can't be sure, but I will find out. If it is the Ukrainian part, I find all this new Eastern European ancestry wierd, I'm not hard working, I don't particularily like Vodka, I'm not always moody and the food I eat is very woggy (I'm j/k my eastern european friends).

Better get the goulash, vodka, beetroot and other wierd shit ready.



More wierd results, first of all, Elone is my cousin-fucking wierd, I don't have any Northern European so.......I have a few Irish cousins, a German cousin and some other wierd shit. What's going on man?

evon
2011-08-10, 10:51
A few new wierd ones.

First one (4th to distant cousin) is a half Malay/Filipino/South-East Asian-Half Lithuanian man (what a mix, right?)-I was curious as to which side I share with him, since I have neither South East Asian or North Eastern European ancestry, but I did the whole bit by bit comparison and apparently the part I share with him is from his European father. Wierd, although I do have another 'cousin'who is part Lithuanian part Turkish or something and I always assumed it was the Turkish, although with this it could be something very far off.

Anyway, the other person identifies as 'Ukrainian-Eastern European' in their tags, I haven't seen their profile yet so I can't be sure, but I will find out. If it is the Ukrainian part, I find all this new Eastern European ancestry wierd, I'm not hard working, I don't particularily like Vodka, I'm not always moody and the food I eat is very woggy (I'm j/k my eastern european friends).

Better get the goulash, vodka, beetroot and other wierd shit ready.



More wierd results, first of all, Elone is my cousin-fucking wierd, I don't have any Northern European so.......I have a few Irish cousins, a German cousin and some other wierd shit. What's going on man?

i didnt know you had tested yourself...have you posted your results? maybe i am just having a slight touch of amnesia?

timmay
2011-08-10, 11:10
i didnt know you had tested yourself...have you posted your results? maybe i am just having a slight touch of amnesia?

I posted them as another user. Point of controversy, some users here think I shouldn't be allowed to keep my anonymity especially as I have admitted that I used to post as another user, but considering the fact that the rules allow (or moreover, do not forbid) the use of more than one account 1) as long as the first account was never banned 2) as long as the accounts aren't used in the same thread to make it appear like you are winning an argument.

Anyway, I am predominantly West Asian (Syrian), so these results are interesting.

Red Rover
2011-08-10, 17:10
Got a new one today in RF with India listed in his profile, an 8cM segment ydna is R1b1b2 mtdna is W4.

Edit: Ooh I missed the new 2 segment 30cM match mtdna H10a1. Hope she is interested in genealogy.

evon
2011-08-10, 18:05
cool, i got a public Faroese match today!

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.12% (9cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Northern Europe mtDNA:H3a YDNA:R1a1a

evon
2011-08-14, 21:58
a Croatian cousin replied my uncles invite:) he seems to have a Muslim last name among his names, i am very curious about this connection and i hope he can help me elaborate more on it..

4th to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
Croatia
mtDNA: H5'36
YDNA: I2a2b

Humata
2011-08-15, 15:02
Looks like my appreciation for India has a genetic basis! Two new cousins;

mtDNA R31a1; R31a is found in Brahmins and Rajputs in North India
Y-DNA J1*, mtDNA M54a; mtDNA M54 is found in South India and J1* in the Caucasus, Anatolia, Mesopotamia, Iranian Plateau and parts of Central Asia

alfieb
2011-08-15, 22:25
So I wound up with a nice lady from Argentina as a third-fourth cousin on 23andMe. She speaks Italian, thank goodness, as I don't trust my Spanish.

After comparing family origins and surnames from Sicily we came to the conclusion that she's probably descended from my 3x great grandfather.

Ironically, this is the same side of my family that briefly emigrated to Argentina about 100 years ago before returning to Italy. She says her kids now live in the USA. Same process for both families. Sicily to Argentina to USA.

Since my family didn't stay in Buenos Aires, it's likely those similarities are entirely coincidental.

Humanist
2011-08-15, 22:35
A few new wierd ones.

First one (4th to distant cousin) is a half Malay/Filipino/South-East Asian-Half Lithuanian man (what a mix, right?)-I was curious as to which side I share with him, since I have neither South East Asian or North Eastern European ancestry, but I did the whole bit by bit comparison and apparently the part I share with him is from his European father. Weird, although I do have another 'cousin'who is part Lithuanian part Turkish or something and I always assumed it was the Turkish, although with this it could be something very far off.

Anyway, the other person identifies as 'Ukrainian-Eastern European' in their tags, I haven't seen their profile yet so I can't be sure, but I will find out. If it is the Ukrainian part, I find all this new Eastern European ancestry wierd, I'm not hard working, I don't particularily like Vodka, I'm not always moody and the food I eat is very woggy (I'm j/k my eastern european friends).

Better get the goulash, vodka, beetroot and other wierd shit ready.

More wierd results, first of all, Elone is my cousin-fucking weird, I don't have any Northern European so.......I have a few Irish cousins, a German cousin and some other weird shit. What's going on man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKt_o6AflbI ;)

evon
2011-08-17, 00:17
seems one of my aunts Russian cousins have Ezyra ancestry, but i still think they are connected via German settlers though.. maybe if Polako does some IBS i will see if she has connections with them?

blank slate
2011-08-17, 11:09
^ What is Ezyra ancestry? I couldn't find anything about it in google.

Ashina
2011-08-17, 11:21
^ What is Ezyra ancestry? I couldn't find anything about it in google.

A Finno-Ugric minority in Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erzya_people

Tsukonin
2011-08-17, 11:22
It's Erzya, better known as Mordvins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordvins). They are originally Uralic-speaking populations of modern-day Russia who now are essentially Russified.

evon
2011-08-17, 11:26
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8b/Fenno-Ugrian_people.png

they live here, or atleast used to...it seems my russian matches are very mixed and so to decipher where we are connected may be harder then first thought.. but thats half the fun right:)

evon
2011-08-17, 12:37
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/ussr_ethnic_1974.jpg

here is perhaps a better map still...

evon
2011-08-17, 19:47
false alarm, my connection to him is not via Erzya..

evon
2011-08-18, 19:15
got a new Icelandic cousin that is via my fathers side today with YDNA Q, that makes my total Q cousins upto 6 out of 305 cousins in total..

my aunt got two new with YDNA: G2a3b2 ..

i also noticed that many of my matches had older dates on them, so it seems people who might have previously declined now joined RF?

quotablepatella
2011-08-18, 19:47
Me and my brother just got some new RF matches, and one of mine is someone who was born in the Netherlands. We share 0.11% and he has mtDNA T2b and yDNA I1*.

sgc2009
2011-08-20, 00:29
Finally got contact with my ONLY Swedish relative in RF. And what a surprise, he's 1/4 Scanian... Southern Swedes sure don't have much connections to the rest of Sweden.

evon
2011-08-20, 00:36
Finally got contact with my ONLY Swedish relative in RF. And what a surprise, he's 1/4 Scanian... Southern Swedes sure don't have much connections to the rest of Sweden.

i have lots of norwegian RF cousins and even some Swedish, although they are distant..

sgc2009
2011-08-20, 00:42
i have lots of norwegian RF cousins and even some Swedish, although they are distant..

I also have lots of Norwegian ones in AF, but none as close as to appear in RF. Got one or two distant Swedish ones in AF.

My mother is one of your Swedish matches, guess our connection could be some distant south Scandinavian that moved to Norway.

evon
2011-08-20, 00:43
I also have lots of Norwegian ones in AF, but none as close as to appear in RF. Got one or two distant Swedish ones in AF.

My mother is one of your Swedish matches, guess our connection could be some distant south Scandinavian that moved to Norway.


most of my Swedish RF matches are from central and north Sweden, but i think its due to immigration from Sweden the last 100 years especially..

sgc2009
2011-08-20, 00:59
most of my Swedish RF matches are from central and north Sweden, but i think its due to immigration from Sweden the last 100 years especially..

Do you have many Danish connections in AF? While my mother have 2 or 3 Swedish predicted 5th cousins in RF and one or two distant ones, she also have a few distant Danish ones aswell as one predicted 5th cousin (not very surprising as Skåne was apart of Denmark for a few hundred years...).

evon
2011-08-20, 10:28
Do you have many Danish connections in AF? While my mother have 2 or 3 Swedish predicted 5th cousins in RF and one or two distant ones, she also have a few distant Danish ones aswell as one predicted 5th cousin (not very surprising as Skåne was apart of Denmark for a few hundred years...).

i have quite a few Danish AF matches, but no Danish RF matches..do you have Icelandic/Faeroese matches in either?

Chalybus
2011-08-20, 10:37
I have an Greenland Danish RF match (predicted 4th cousin Chr5 7,5Cm; 1334 SNP)

evon
2011-08-22, 20:07
Just got a invitation from a Finnish guy to share, turns out he is a cousin as he now appears on my Rf list..guess he found me via Gedmatch or HIR search?

he is my second Finnish RF match i think..the rest are Swedish/Norwegian mixed..he has a really weird name, but perhaps its common in Finland?

Silesian
2011-08-22, 20:16
Just got a invitation from a Finnish guy to share, turns out he is a cousin as he now appears on my Rf list..guess he found me via Gedmatch or HIR search?

he is my second Finnish RF match i think..the rest are Swedish/Norwegian mixed..he has a really weird name, but perhaps its common in Finland?

You are 3rd on my list at 76.26 Daytripper is 1st at 76.29 Larali 75.96 :)

annihilus
2011-08-24, 04:17
I don't know how to place my South Africa x4 6.0 cM match:confused:

evon
2011-08-26, 19:06
gf got new interesting cousin:

quotablepatella
2011-08-26, 20:21
My brother and myself have some new RF matches, all of whom are female and most of whom have L mtDNA haplogroups -

My RF matches - L3e3b, L1b1a and L2a1c4
My brother's RF matches - L3e1e and L2a1c4

evon
2011-08-26, 20:29
i also got a new L, must be due to the afro american initiative?

quotablepatella
2011-08-26, 20:31
i also got a new L, must be due to the afro american initiative?

Yeah, I think it is.

sgc2009
2011-08-31, 21:52
Interesting mt-haplogroup my paternal grandfather's latest match has.

105259


I didn't know Mozambiqians had reached Ukraine...

quotablepatella
2011-09-01, 03:09
Got a few more RF matches today, including a Cuban-Irish public match with whom I share 7cM. My brother only has one new RF match, a woman who shares 8cM with him and has mtDNA T1.

Humanist
2011-09-03, 06:56
My family's 4th cousin and closer RF predicted relationships. Most are Assyrian. A few remain unknown. And a few Assyrians are mixed with Americans or Canadians of European ancestry. One cousin believes he has Armenian ancestry, although he is not certain. Birko is #1 on the list. And to think, before testing at 23andMe, and joining these forums, Birko and I had no idea the other existed.


# Pop DNA% Seg# mtDNA Y-DNA Predicted
1 Asy 1.13% 9 T1a R2 2nd Cousin
2 Asy 1.03% 8 J1b G2a 3rd Cousin
3 Asy 1.01% 9 HV T 3rd Cousin
4 Asy 1.00% 6 W R1b1b2a 3rd Cousin
5 Asy 0.94% 7 H 3rd Cousin
6 Asy 0.94% 5 J1c R1b1b2a 3rd Cousin
7 Asy 0.85% 7 H T 3rd Cousin
8 Asy 0.64% 5 T1a 3rd Cousin
9 Asy 0.56% 3 H1 3rd Cousin
10 Asy 0.51% 3 K1b1 J1 3rd Cousin
11 Asy 0.49% 5 U7 3rd Cousin
12 Asy 0.48% 3 H8 G2a 3rd Cousin
13 Asy 0.37% 4 H3 R1b1b2a 3rd Cousin
14 Asy 0.48% 2 H1 4th Cousin
15 Asy 0.48% 2 U3a1 R1a1a 4th Cousin
16 Asy 0.46% 6 U1a3 J2a1b* 4th Cousin
17 Asy 0.39% 5 U7 J2 4th Cousin
18 ??? 0.33% 1 U3a R1a1a* 4th Cousin
19 Asy 0.30% 3 H10a J2a1b 4th Cousin
20 ??? 0.30% 3 H6 R1b1b2a1a2f* 4th Cousin
21 Arm 0.30% 1 J1c J2 4th Cousin
22 Asy 0.30% 3 U1a1 Q1b 4th Cousin
23 Asy 0.29% 3 H1 4th Cousin
24 Asy 0.29% 2 H2a1 J1 4th Cousin
25 Asy 0.27% 3 J1b3 R1b1b2a 4th Cousin
26 ??? 0.26% 2 J1d R1b1b2a 4th Cousin
27 Asy 0.20% 2 H11a 4th Cousin
28 Asy 0.20% 2 HV R1b1b2a 4th Cousin
29 Asy 0.20% 2 T1 E1b1b1c1a 4th Cousin
30 Asy 0.20% 2 T1a 4th Cousin
31 Asy 0.17% 2 U7 J2 4th Cousin
32 Asy 0.16% 2 U3b R1b1b2a 4th Cousin

jonboyclem
2011-09-03, 07:23
Some interesting matches for me.

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.11% shared , Mexico R1b12a1a2d3a

3rd to Distant Cousin 13% shared, New Zealand R1b12a1a2f

3rd to Distant Cousin 11% shared, Ireland H6a1a

4th to Distant Cousin 10% shared, Southern Africa L2c

4th to Distant Cousin 07% shared Trinidad and Tobago R1b1a2a1a

Humanist
2011-09-08, 03:54
# Pop DNA% Seg# mtDNA Y-DNA Predicted
18 ??? 0.33% 1 U3a R1a1a* 4th Cousin
20 Asy 0.30% 3 H6 R1b1b2a1a2f* 4th Cousin
26 Asy 0.26% 2 J1d R1b1b2a 4th Cousin

Changing an unidentified person to a presumed Assyrian (mixed European-Assyrian?), as they also (if the same individual) match Birko's grandmother at three segments, for a total shared DNA% of .27%.

Another possible Assyrian. A cousin sharing the following haplogroup combination is shared between Birko's grandmother and my uncle:

Shared Seg mtDNA Y-DNA
0.10% 1 HV1b E1b1b1c1a
0.28% 1 HV1b E1b1b1c1a

Another possible Assyrian (changing to "Asy," above). May be shared between one of Birko's Chaldean Catholic Assyrian cousins and my mother (through her father):

Shared Seg mtDNA Y-DNA
0.19% 1 J1d R1b1b2a
0.26% 2 J1d R1b1b2a

One more. May be a shared cousin between Birko's grandmother and myself:

Shared Seg mtDNA Y-DNA
0.10% 1 W6 R1b1b2a
0.11% 1 W6 R1b1b2a

Chalybus
2011-09-08, 07:42
Birko is #1 on the list. And to think, before testing at 23andMe, and joining these forums, Birko and I had no idea the other existed.


Really amazing how your small group is overrepresented.

sgc2009
2011-09-08, 21:36
Siberian looking relative just appeared among my paternal grandmother's results:

106108

Ashina
2011-09-08, 21:52
Siberian looking relative just appeared among my paternal grandmother's results:

106108

He has the same mtDNA as me! Btw, it's possible that this person is Turkish. I am sharing with a Bulgarian Turk who's Y-DNA is N and mtDNA C4a1.

evon
2011-09-09, 10:24
got a new Russian match yesterday from Vladivostok, oddly though he dose not appear on my aunt or uncles RF list...

Chalybus
2011-09-11, 02:24
some statistics on Y & mt -DNA from RF. R1a1a is surprisingly rare.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/4676/pathaplogroupsrf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/14/pathaplogroupsrf.jpg/)


http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7769/mathaplogroupsrf.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/508/mathaplogroupsrf.jpg/)

evon
2011-09-12, 15:44
mtDNA:



http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/828/20110912153947.jpg/



YDNA:


http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/109/20110912154156.jpg/


strange as the pictures are not showing, well here is another uploaded version,

First is mtDNA and second YDNA:

sgc2009
2011-09-12, 21:14
Siberian looking relative just appeared among my paternal grandmother's results:

106108

Relative just accepted contact, the person has a Russian name. 2% Asian in Ancestry Painting, so I'm assuming he's north Russian.

evon
2011-09-13, 10:39
Relative just accepted contact, the person has a Russian name. 2% Asian in Ancestry Painting, so I'm assuming he's north Russian.

you should ask for a more specific location as it will give you good clues to how you are related, i assume its via your Finnish side?

sgc2009
2011-09-13, 10:52
you should ask for a more specific location as it will give you good clues to how you are related, i assume its via your Finnish side?

Well, it's via my paternal grandmother's (50% Finland-Swedish, 25% Estonian, 25% German) side, so the most likely scenario is probably that it's via her Estonian side.

evon
2011-09-13, 15:11
Well, it's via my paternal grandmother's (50% Finland-Swedish, 25% Estonian, 25% German) side, so the most likely scenario is probably that it's via her Estonian side.

From my experience Russian ties is usually via German settlers, including religious minorities (Mennonites ect):

http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm

but North Russian might very well be via Finland...i doubt many Estonia’s have migrated east, except the Finnish and Baltic based prisoners who where forced to settle in places that border on Kazakhstan ect..

i would put my money in Germany being the common source..

PS: you could test by running the segment using dodecad tool and see what it gives you...it might give you an indication..

Humanophage
2011-09-14, 10:36
I have a total of 772 matches, 348 of them are numbered cousins (at least one "not distant"). My highest match is 0.30%, 3rd to distant cousin with an Ashkenazi professor of meteorology and his family (Russia, Germany, Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, UK, France and Ireland).

Here is my RF haplogroup breakdown:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/mtDNARFHum.gif
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/YDNARFHum.gif

Here is the frequency of various haplogroups in different populations (taken from Genofond.ru and uploaded on Google Docs for convenience):
mtDNA: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdEJPaXduZEZtTUFqbTlTWlpXYm8tR1E&hl=en_US
Y-DNA: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AorT-9bJPZ6BdGs0WUo5bVJ4R1JxdWdVV1l6bkU4NFE&hl=en_US


The cousin limit seems to bring the results somewhat more in line with my Dodecad et al. results, which show typical Russian levels of West Asian (4.81%) and Southwest Asian (1.25%) admixture. I'd fancy seeing the results of others with some South Russian and Ukrainian ancestry, because I am unaware of recent Ashkenazi ancestry and strongly suspect that it is Ukrainian ancestry in Ashkenazi rather than vice versa.

quotablepatella
2011-09-20, 18:39
Got three new RF matches today, bringing my total to 660 matches -

American female, mtDNA H4a, with whom I share 8cM.
Male, mtDNA V1a, yDNA R1b1b2a1a1*, with whom I share 8cM.
Male, mtDNA X2c1, yDNA E1b1b1a2*, with whom I share 7cM.

My brother also got three new matches, bringing his total to 511 matches -

The above mentioned American, with whom he shares 8cM as well.
The above mentioned male with V1a mtDNA, with whom he also shares 8cM.
Male, mtDNA L2a1c1, yDNA E1b1, with whom he shares 8cM.

Day Tripper
2011-09-20, 18:45
Got three new RF matches today, bringing my total to 660 matches -

American female, mtDNA H4a, with whom I share 8cM.
Male, mtDNA V1a, yDNA R1b1b2a1a1*, with whom I share 8cM.
Male, mtDNA X2c1, yDNA E1b1b1a2*, with whom I share 7cM.

My brother also got three new matches, bringing his total to 511 matches -

The above mentioned American, with whom he shares 8cM as well.
The above mentioned male with V1a mtDNA, with whom he also shares 8cM.
Male, mtDNA L2a1c1, yDNA E1b1, with whom he shares 8cM.

Lol, I've got the same guy (new today), probably:

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larali
2011-09-20, 18:50
I apparently am genetically related to several people who share my married (ahem, my husband's) surname and family history.... :|

Day Tripper
2011-09-20, 19:02
got a new Icelandic cousin that is via my fathers side today with YDNA Q, that makes my total Q cousins upto 6 out of 305 cousins in total..

my aunt got two new with YDNA: G2a3b2 ..

i also noticed that many of my matches had older dates on them, so it seems people who might have previously declined now joined RF?

I wonder if this is one of them (?):

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Vadim Verenich
2011-09-20, 19:08
Really amazing how your small group is overrepresented.

Kewl.

Looking at your avatar, i really appreciate your sense of humour.:D

evon
2011-09-20, 19:42
got a swede and a few more...

Lemminkäinen
2011-09-20, 20:00
A Norwegan + some more

evon
2011-09-20, 20:01
A Norwegan + some more

i have him too..

Kaiku
2011-09-24, 08:06
Got a very interesting relative introduction request today. His Y-DNA is O1a2 and mtDNA H1a2. From what I gather the O1 branch is most frequent in Maritime Southeast Asia and Oceania. He´s American. Exotic stuff. ;)

Humanist
2011-09-24, 09:28
A handful of new RF cousins. Including two apparently significant relationships. One in particular. Birko, I am sorry, you have been dethroned, brother. At least as far as % DNA shared is concerned. ;)

All predicted relationships no further removed than 4th. The two "significant" additions are in blue.


# Pop DNA% Seg# mtDNA Y-DNA Predicted
1 Asy 1.29% 8 HV1b E1b1b1a2* 3rd Cousin
2 Asy 1.13% 9 T1a R2 2nd Cousin
3 Asy 1.03% 8 J1b G2a 3rd Cousin
4 Asy 1.01% 9 HV T 3rd Cousin
5 Asy 1.00% 6 W R1b1b2a 3rd Cousin
6 Asy 0.94% 7 H 3rd Cousin
7 Asy 0.94% 5 J1c R1b1b2a 3rd Cousin
8 Asy 0.85% 7 H T 3rd Cousin
9 Asy 0.64% 5 T1a 3rd Cousin
10 Asy 0.56% 3 H1 3rd Cousin
11 Asy 0.51% 3 K1b1 J1 3rd Cousin
12 Asy 0.49% 5 U7 3rd Cousin
13 Asy 0.48% 3 H8 G2a 3rd Cousin
14 Asy 0.37% 4 H3 R1b1b2a 3rd Cousin
15 Asy 0.48% 2 H1 4th Cousin
16 Asy 0.48% 2 U3a1 R1a1a 4th Cousin
17 Asy 0.46% 6 U1a3 J2a1b* 4th Cousin
18 Asy 0.39% 5 U7 J2 4th Cousin
19 ??? 0.33% 1 U3a R1a1a* 4th Cousin
20 Asy 0.30% 3 H10a J2a1b 4th Cousin
21 Asy 0.30% 3 H6 R1b1b2a1a2f* 4th Cousin
22 Arm 0.30% 1 J1c J2 4th Cousin
23 Asy 0.30% 3 U1a1 Q1b 4th Cousin
24 Asy 0.29% 3 H1 4th Cousin
25 Asy 0.29% 2 H2a1 J1 4th Cousin
26 Asy 0.27% 3 J1b3 R1b1b2a 4th Cousin
27 Asy 0.26% 2 J1d R1b1b2a 4th Cousin
28 Asy 0.21% 2 J1b 4th Cousin
29 Asy 0.20% 2 H11a 4th Cousin
30 Asy 0.20% 2 HV R1b1b2a 4th Cousin
31 Asy 0.20% 2 T1 E1b1b1c1a 4th Cousin
32 Asy 0.20% 2 T1a 4th Cousin
33 Asy 0.17% 2 U7 J2 4th Cousin
34 Asy 0.16% 2 U3b R1b1b2a 4th Cousin

The predicted 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cousin mtDNA hg frequencies for the profiles I manage, as a reasonable approximation of Assyrian population mtDNA hg frequencies. There are a few mixed Assyrian/European cousins, so, the mtDNA frequencies based on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th cousins are not precise.

N=34 (RF 2nd,3rd, and 4th cousins)
H 32%
U 24%
J1 18%
T1 12%
HV 9%
K 3%
W 3%

Assyrian population (http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=516962&postcount=7) (N=54, as of a few months ago)
HG ASY
H 25%
U 23%
J 18%
HV 15%
T 7%
K 5%
X 4%
I 2%
N 2%

I have Assyrian RF cousins who are predicted 5th or beyond, with mtDNA haplogroups N and X.

birko19
2011-09-24, 09:39
The E1b1b1a2* fella also showed up on my grandma's RF

evon
2011-09-24, 10:04
inspired by my Assyrian friends i decided to make a similar one of my Norwegian matches (excluding colonials ect):




Relationship % shared Segments mtDNA YDNA

3rd to 5th Cousin 0.34% (26cM) shared 3 segments J1b1a R1a1a*

3rd to 6th Cousin 0.26% (20cM) shared 2 segments H

3rd to 6th Cousin 0.22% (17cM) shared 2 segments N1a R1b1b2a1a1*

3rd to 6th Cousin 0.21% (16cM) shared 2 segments T2b Q1a3

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.18% (14cM) shared 1 segment W3a

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.15% (11cM) shared 1 segment H1 R1b1b2a

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.14% (11cM) shared 1 segment U5a1 R1b1b2a1a2

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.14% (11cM) shared 1 segment T2b4

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.14% (11cM) shared 1 segment H1 Q1a3*

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.13% (10cM) shared 1 segment T2 R1a1a

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.13% (10cM) shared 1 segment H1n I1*

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.12% (9cM) shared 1 segment H1c I1

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.12% (9cM) shared 1 segment U5b2a1

3rd to Distant Cousin 0.12% (9cM) shared 1 segment I1a1 R1a1a

4th to Distant Cousin 0.11% (8cM) shared 1 segment H3 R1b1b2a1a2

4th to Distant Cousin 0.11% (8cM) shared 1 segment J1c3 I1*

4th to Distant Cousin 0.10% (8cM) shared 1 segment H1 R1b1b2a1a1

4th to Distant Cousin 0.09% (7cM) shared 1 segment X2b R1b1b2a1a2f

4th to Distant Cousin 0.07% (5cM) shared 1 segment U5ab2

4th to Distant Cousin 0.07% (5cM) shared 1 segment U5a2b I1*

Humanist
2011-09-25, 02:18
Learned a couple of things, at least.

NearEast J2a1a -- R1b1b2a
Syrian U3a

I have been trying to determine the ethnic origin of these two predicted RF cousins. The first is a public match. I am sharing with the second, and have also communicated with the individual. Unfortunately, when I asked about ethnic origins, I did not receive a reply. Timmay, perhaps you are sharing with them as well? From what returned after Googling the R1b1b2a man's name, I would say there is a good chance he is from Lebanon.

timmay
2011-09-25, 08:25
Check your PMs Humanist-oh, and also, they weren't being rude when you didn't get a reply, it's because they don't go on 23andme often.

Lemminkäinen
2011-09-26, 16:12
The yDna of my new Ukrainian cousin is N1c1.

evon
2011-09-30, 17:00
my granny's are coming in, she has a G2a and the Russian Armenian like my uncle, although she has 100% european on ancestry painting..here are some of her exotic matches so far:

sgc2009
2011-09-30, 17:07
my granny's are coming in, she has a G2a and the Russian Armenian like my uncle, although she has 100% european on ancestry painting..here are some of her exotic matches so far:

The G2a is probably some exotic Norwegian or an American considering the close relationship.

Post her AF scores when they are ready.

amerinese
2011-09-30, 17:07
my granny's are coming in, she has a G2a and the Russian Armenian like my uncle, although she has 100% european on ancestry painting..here are some of her exotic matches so far:

I have noticed that despite being G2a myself, I have only 7 out of 574 matches with G2a or some subclade therein. So far none have accepted my invitations. Of course considering roughly half of the participants are female, they don't have a Y-DNA to compare to.

Tsukonin
2011-09-30, 18:01
it's not the same G2a: it's mtdna G2a (it's in pink) which is exotic in a West eurasian context (way more than L's), even though East eurasian lineages are found at low % in north/eastern europe.


If you have so few Y-dna G2a, it's normal since R1b is dominating in white american males. If you lived in Neolithic Europe, your relative finder would show plenty of G2a. lol

amerinese
2011-09-30, 18:33
Ah I missed he was talking about mtdna... Should have known since they were his aunt's results. I actually have a lot of R1b matches as expected, but also quite a few I matches.

evon
2011-09-30, 20:01
new updates list, she has some cool matches with YDNA O and D :) plus a Brit with mtDNA Z..

i will post the AF results in the AF thread...

evon
2011-09-30, 21:02
i wonder if the YDNA O and D is linked to some Eurasian ancestry or if they belong to people of mixed ancestry? guess i will have to wait and hope they reply my invites..

amerinese
2011-09-30, 21:44
i wonder if the YDNA O and D is linked to some Eurasian ancestry or if they belong to people of mixed ancestry? guess i will have to wait and hope they reply my invites..

Could be either I think. I go looking for these RF matches specifically, to look for people I may share my Japanese segments with. I only have a few matches and only one has accepted. I share with a guy who is Y-DNA O1a2, with a Hawaiian surname, and around 50 / 50 Euro / Asian. The segment we share looks European though. He hasn't responded to my message asking about his ancestry. :confused:

Tsukonin
2011-09-30, 21:55
O is East Asian indeed, but D is the very old brother of E and its subclades have very localized populations (D2 for instance is Ainu/Japanese).

Apparently, D1 is is Himalayan (Tibetans etc...).


To me, they are both mixed, especially with their mtdna.

evon
2011-09-30, 22:01
O is East Asian indeed, but D is the very old brother of E and its subclades have very localized populations (D2 for instance is Ainu/Japanese).

Apparently, D1 is is Himalayan (Tibetans etc...).


To me, they are both mixed, especially with their mtdna.

D1 has been found among central Asians, but not the O, which is likely Chinese..

Lemminkäinen
2011-09-30, 22:02
I have three G2a connections at RF, one from Near East U4 G2a, one unknown H G2a and one from Southern Italy H13a1a G2a.

evon
2011-10-01, 13:09
my aunt has an interesting Half polish, half Slovenian cousin:

Eastern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup J1c Slovenian side
Paternal Haplogroup N1c1* Polish side

i dont think ive seen Poles with N before..

Ashina
2011-10-01, 13:26
^There is one Pole with Y-DNA N1c1 in this forum.

evon
2011-10-07, 19:04
my aunt got a U7-I1* combo which could be interesting.. i am saddened by the low response rate my granny is seeing, so far none of her invited have replied:(

Particula
2011-10-07, 19:08
being from far Northern Morocco and inbrid could I have relatives from Algeria,Tunisia,Libya,Egypt and Southern Europe/West Asia?

evon
2011-10-07, 19:11
being from far Northern Morocco and inbrid could I have relatives from Algeria,Tunisia,Libya,Egypt and Southern Europe/West Asia?

i am sure you will be surprised, most are:)

Particula
2011-10-07, 19:12
i am sure you will be surprised, most are:)

surprised why? in what sense? :o:p

Tsukonin
2011-10-07, 19:27
I can answer to your question since I am the best proxy for you.

In my relative finder, I have one Moroccan chick as a cousin and she has a Moroccan guy as a cousin and that Moroccan guy has an Algerian guy as a cousin. :D

Most of my cousins from the Old World are from Europe and not particularly from mediterranean Europe (Poland, Norway, Russia, etc..). It's the same for other Maghrebis, but if we do not have near eastern cousins, that's because there are so few of them who got tested.

So far, there is one Algerian who has a khaleeji cousin, a Tunisian woman with an Assyrian cousin and an Algerian guy with Greek/Turkish cousins.

Particula
2011-10-07, 19:40
I can answer to your question since I am the best proxy for you.

In my relative finder, I have one Moroccan chick as a cousin and she has a Moroccan guy as a cousin and that Moroccan guy has an Algerian guy as a cousin. :D

Most of my cousins from the Old World are from Europe and not particularly from mediterranean Europe (Poland, Norway, Russia, etc..). It's the same for other Maghrebis, but if we do not have near eastern cousins, that's because there are so few of them who got tested.

So far, there is one Algerian who has a khaleeji cousin, a Tunisian woman with an Assyrian cousin and an Algerian guy with Greek/Turkish cousins.

what do those "cousins" mean?do we share ancestros with them? how older?

Tsukonin
2011-10-07, 19:55
we share ancestors like a great great great grandparent for instance or as far as an ancestor who lived three, five or even six centuries ago.

timmay
2011-10-07, 20:06
Yes, 3-5th cousin will mean an ancestor who lived 100-150 years ago, 5th-9th cousin is something like 150-300 years ago, and anything else is older than that.

It's not that close.

Anyway, the reason (I'm addressing Tsukonin here) that we (MENA) get a lot of 'exotic' (North European) cousins and not many of our own is because our own are under represented on 23andme. If there were more MENA then we would have far more cousins, and our North Euro matches would be pushed to the bottom rather than be at the top. Even the North Europeans from places like Scandinavia find cousins from West Asia and further afield at the bottom of their list-we need to sign up more MENA to 23andme, there should be a free kit program for us.

Lemminkäinen
2011-10-07, 20:15
I have now two Danes from Aarhus. Interestingly, I have also a 1800 years old mtDna match from Aarhus. Sounds like very distant cousins, although 23andme estimates them to the category 3rd to distant

amerinese
2011-10-07, 22:18
My AF matches with 4GP at 5 cM are:

United States
20.7%
United Kingdom
1.2%
Russia
0.4%
Canada
0.4%
Poland
0.3%
Netherlands
0.3%
Sweden
0.2%
France
0.2%
Finland
0.2%
Australia
0.2%
Switzerland
0.1%
Romania
0.1%
Norway
0.1%
New Zealand
0.1%
Mexico
0.1%
Japan
0.1%
Estonia
0.1%
Belarus
0.1%
Ukraine
0.0%
Germany
0.0%

Basically I get no Mediterranean or MENA hits for whatever reason... no recent shared ancestry apparently.

I have an apparently rare Y-DNA subclade of English origin shared with 30+ people in the USA (my surname and a couple of offshoots, probably one common immigrant ancestor), England (one guy with a different surname who's an outlier in his own surname project), and Australia (3 people with two different surnames from English immigrants). My mtDNA subclade is also rare but has shown up in a few samples in Japan, South Korea, and China.

I agree with Timmay that all of these results are heavily biased based on who actually tests and in which countries. I doubt if my autosomal, Y-DNA, or mtDNA match proportions are really proportional to their frequency in the populations of those countries. Pretty sure there's more than one guy in England confused about his surname origin who carries my Y-DNA there... the rest simply haven't been tested at all, or only tested with 23andMe, so they don't have their STR markers or the specific Y SNP my line carries so are not identifiable. Same thing with East Asian nations... they seem very under represented in these public DNA databases, perhaps because they are costly and have English language interfaces.

Particula
2011-10-07, 22:23
we share ancestors like a great great great grandparent for instance or as far as an ancestor who lived three, five or even six centuries ago.

and what was a Polish and Russian ancestor doing in the Maghreb?or what was a Maghrebi ancestor doing in Russia and Poland? :lol:

---------- Post added 2011-10-07 at 20:25 ----------


Yes, 3-5th cousin will mean an ancestor who lived 100-150 years ago, 5th-9th cousin is something like 150-300 years ago, and anything else is older than that.

It's not that close.

Anyway, the reason (I'm addressing Tsukonin here) that we (MENA) get a lot of 'exotic' (North European) cousins and not many of our own is because our own are under represented on 23andme. If there were more MENA then we would have far more cousins, and our North Euro matches would be pushed to the bottom rather than be at the top. Even the North Europeans from places like Scandinavia find cousins from West Asia and further afield at the bottom of their list-we need to sign up more MENA to 23andme, there should be a free kit program for us.

I think it's also because they don't ship to MENA and they don't have an arabic web

plara451
2011-10-07, 22:44
1st to 2nd Cousin
6.05% DNA shared across 20 segments

How close would that be? her Mtdna T2e..how common are 1st to 2nd Cousin on RF? anyone know?

timmay
2011-10-07, 22:52
1st to 2nd Cousin
6.05% DNA shared across 20 segments

How close would that be? her Mtdna T2e..how common are 1st to 2nd Cousin on RF? anyone know?

6.05% Wow, that is incredibly high, that's either a real 1st or 2nd cousin, the highest I've ever seen on mine is 0.30% and on everybody else 1% or something

amerinese
2011-10-07, 22:54
My highest is a 3rd to 4th cousin with 1.25% across 3 segments.

Yes it looks like you have a real 1st or 2nd cousin there.

Aila
2011-10-08, 04:12
This latest patch of relatives is quite interesting.
Got a new U5b1b1a Norwegian (Kven?) cousin, from Finnmark, a Swede and a Swedish-Italian plus another Australian cousin I didn’t know about.

evon
2011-10-08, 10:06
my U7-I1* combo was German/Norwegian...thus explaining it..

Humanist
2011-10-08, 16:05
Would love to do something similar to what Atzmon et al. did with Jewish populations. At least one important difference between the two is that the default 23andMe RF IBD sharing minimum is 700 SNPs and 7cM.

O= Syriac Orthodox
C= Chaldean Catholic
N= "Nestorian"

The red dots are the approximate center points of the McDonald green (average) dots for the five Assyrians who have received an analysis since McDonald began using the colored dots in April/May.

Polako
2011-10-08, 16:10
Hehe, I've got a 5th cousin from Kyrgyzstan.

Gonna have to mail this person at once.

evon
2011-10-08, 17:21
have a Norwegian american with mtDNA L1b1a6, dont think ive seen a L1 among my relatives before..

Chalybus
2011-10-08, 19:02
and what was a Polish and Russian ancestor doing in the Maghreb?or what was a Maghrebi ancestor doing in Russia and Poland? :lol:

---------- Post added 2011-10-07 at 20:25 ----------



I think it's also because they don't ship to MENA and they don't have an arabic web

I think the connection will be likely via some South Europeans.
Poles&Russians were sailors, traders and mercenaries ect. Same for French/Italians and North-Africans. French Napoleonic army tried to conquer Russia. Some soldiers will have stayed or left children.
Many Poles and germans got to Italy or France. Just recently I have met an italian girl with polish surname. Both countries were involved in North-Africa. Algeria was at 1900 inhabited by 1 Mio French.
I myself have distant relatives in Southern France. One of them is married to a North African. They have at least one kid, maybe more now.


There are five obstacles for testing, which might be applicable to the whole non-western world:

- language (only me and my brother understand sufficient english)
- price (271$ with shipping equals 1/6 average monthly income here in east germany)
- missing access to the internet (only weak UMTS were my parents live)
- fears about what could happen with the data - which is a result of bad local publicity
- lack of basic comprehension what genes and genetical testing is (my dad)

I tried to recruit some of my relatives for 23&me. I would need to convince("talk into"), pay, translate and print it out. :(

Pioterus
2011-10-08, 19:16
Hehe, I've got a 5th cousin from Kyrgyzstan.

Gonna have to mail this person at once.

Lost Sybirak on the run meets a nice local girl?

Serge
2011-10-08, 20:29
1st to 2nd Cousin
6.05% DNA shared across 20 segments

How close would that be? her Mtdna T2e..how common are 1st to 2nd Cousin on RF? anyone know?

They are very uncommon. Yours is an exceptional situation. Usually, you know who your first and second cousins are, but it's possible you may have some second cousin you did not know you had.

amerinese
2011-10-08, 20:52
I'm pretty sure I have a lot of second cousins I don't know, ranging from Kentucky to Japan. I'd be thrilled to get a match like that.

Lemminkäinen
2011-10-08, 22:24
I put my Swedish cousins on the map, but I am not happy with the result because only a few of them have announced the hometown at 23andme. I see however two logical regions; Ångermanland seaside and the Kalix river region. Both regions have a special status for Finns. But I really dont know about those southern matches, I would be more confident if I could have found more information about southern hometowns.

timmay
2011-10-08, 22:31
I'm pretty sure I have a lot of second cousins I don't know, ranging from Kentucky to Japan. I'd be thrilled to get a match like that.

But if we go by the law of averages you would need 3000 2nd cousins to have one of them on 23andme (and that's actually an unrealistic pool of 100,000 23andme customers v the population of the USA, let alone the world),

amerinese
2011-10-08, 23:07
But if we go by the law of averages you would need 3000 2nd cousins to have one of them on 23andme (and that's actually an unrealistic pool of 100,000 23andme customers v the population of the USA, let alone the world),

Yes, exactly, it would be an extreme stroke of luck.

plara451
2011-10-09, 13:53
6.05% Wow, that is incredibly high, that's either a real 1st or 2nd cousin, the highest I've ever seen on mine is 0.30% and on everybody else 1% or something

Wow, your ancestors were prudes ;) I was kinda waiting to see if she would message me but she hasn't. I'm gonna send her a request hopefully she respond.

Here are my closest RF matches.

evon
2011-10-09, 14:26
my families top matches for comparison..

sgc2009
2011-10-10, 13:16
I put my Swedish cousins on the map, but I am not happy with the result because only a few of them have announced the hometown at 23andme. I see however two logical regions; Ångermanland seaside and the Kalix river region. Both regions have a special status for Finns. But I really dont know about those southern matches, I would be more confident if I could have found more information about southern hometowns.

The most southern ones would indicate Swedish ancestry, which isn't that strange considering you're from western Finland...

Lemminkäinen
2011-10-10, 14:06
The most southern ones would indicate Swedish ancestry, which isn't that strange considering you're from western Finland...

I wonder if some matches from Ångermanland are old enough to be from Sursills. I dont know if they were pure Swedes or had also medieval Finnish ancestry. I have read that Finns lived before the 14 century from the north somewhere there. Swedes moved northward later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genealogia_Sursilliana


Another guess could explain old matches in Kalix.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bure%C3%A4tten


These are only guesses for those two northern groups, but both connections are genealogically proved. I have also a proved match in Gävle, where som people moved to Ostrobothnia during the 17th century.

evon
2011-10-14, 22:42
Got a few new today, a new A2...likely new worlder from what ive seen so far..

sgc2009
2011-10-18, 15:50
One of my grandfather's Russian matches just went public, the guy is from the Komi republic. Seems eastern Finns could have Komi ancestry.

Tuohikirje
2011-10-19, 11:48
Isn't she close (me thinks)?

Could someone please advise how do you get a text visible 'Your common ancestor was born between x - x'. Looking for that one. Is that not in RF? If not, where?

evon
2011-10-19, 11:54
Isn't she close (me thinks)?

Could someone please advise how do you get a text visible 'Your common ancestor was born between x - x'. Looking for that one. Is that not in RF? If not, where?

yes its close.

http://www.23andyou.com/3rdparty

http://23pp.david-web.co.uk/ this is what your looking for.

pipo dog
2011-10-21, 12:48
79 cousins:

http://23andmeresults.webs.com/graph%20(3).png
http://23andmeresults.webs.com/graph%20(2).png

Lemminkäinen
2011-10-21, 13:04
Yesterday I got my first identified Jewish cousin, 0.18% in two segments, yDNa J1e.

Huckleberry Finn
2011-10-21, 13:30
One of my grandfather's Russian matches just went public, the guy is from the Komi republic. Seems eastern Finns could have Komi ancestry.
Or the other way around as for instance my N1c1 lineage has some members in or around Udmurtia, for instance in places such as Bashkiria. I can't see any other explanation for that than immigration from areas near Gulf of Finland at some point of time.

sgc2009
2011-10-24, 15:53
Just realized that one of mine and my mom's closest matches (sharing two segments) is half Polish - half Balkan.




Or the other way around as for instance my N1c1 lineage has some members in or around Udmurtia, for instance in places such as Bashkiria. I can't see any other explanation for that than immigration from areas near Gulf of Finland at some point of time.

Possibly, but the other is also likely considering immigration from those areas to Karelia must have occured. F.ex. my closest Y-haplo match is a southwestern Russian and most other are actually Komis.

Huckleberry Finn
2011-10-24, 16:21
Just realized that...

Veps/Carelian-Permian including Komi connections have been rather active in the viking age-early middle ages, so immigration both ways shouldn't be impossible. There is for instance a layer of Baltic finnic loan words in komi and remains of carelian timber graves have been found in the permic area.

Not that you are interested in jewish issues, you should be aware that Russians called the Komis as the Jews of the forest, because their interest in commercial issues.

Polako
2011-10-24, 16:29
Now I have Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan. But they're mixed with Russians, Ukrainians and Poles. Probably descendants of exiles to Siberia. Ouch.

Esther
2011-10-24, 17:10
I have these matches ( from the first three pages) which seem interesting by haplogroup, maybe because I don't see a lot of those posted on here and some seem Jewish:

Males:
J1c3 - Q1a3
K1a4a1 - I1*
L1b1a - E1b1b1c1
L1b1a - E1b1a8a1*
K1a1b1a - J2a1b1*
X2 - J1e
C1 - J2a1e
T2f1 - R1b1b2a1a
Z - I1
K1a9 - I2a2
W1 - J2a1b*
H1c1 - G2c*
C1b2 - R1b1b2a1a2d*



Females:
K2a2a
V
I2
K1a1b1a
J2b1a
K2a
X2d

evon
2011-10-24, 17:24
J1c3 - Q1a3 is very likely Norwegian:)

C1b2 - R1b1b2a1a2d* is very likely half european, half native american..

Z - I1 could be Scandinavian/Finnish ect..

---------- Post added 2011-10-24 at 17:24 ----------


Now I have Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan. But they're mixed with Russians, Ukrainians and Poles. Probably descendants of exiles to Siberia. Ouch.

i wonder if that explains my Kazakh match and my mtDNA G2a's too..

Polako
2011-10-24, 17:41
i wonder if that explains my Kazakh match and my mtDNA G2a's too..

It might. If your family has lots of Russians and Poles in their RF/AF results, then you'll definitely have hits from the Central Asian stans, like me. Thousands of people were sent there during the last 300 years. Finns too.

voron
2011-10-24, 17:53
That's weird, I don't have any 'stans in my relative finder. I have such countries as Guyana and Grenada (white dude with Anglo-Saxon name (https://www.23andme.com/user/?profile=ef1fabae43abf511)), but no stans.

evon
2011-10-24, 18:52
It might. If your family has lots of Russians and Poles in their RF/AF results, then you'll definitely have hits from the Central Asian stans, like me. Thousands of people were sent there during the last 300 years. Finns too.

its hard to say, my maternal uncle have these matches according to highest cM range per 4gp country:

8-9cM: Poland.
7-8cM: Finland.
6-7cM: Czech.
5-6cM: Russia, Bosnia, Estonia.

Maternal grandmother:

8-9cM: Poland,
6-7cM: Macedonia, Czech,
5-6cM: Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia.

my paternal aunt:

6-7cM: Russia, Croatia.
5-6Cm: Ukraine, Romania, Finland (partly Ashkenazi ect), Estonia.

Me:

6-7cM: Russia.
5-6cM: Poland, Estonia.

evon
2011-11-02, 20:15
me and my uncle a new Danish RF cousin..my aunt got 3 new Norwegian RF cousins (another one with YDNA Q that my grandmother also got)..

evon
2011-11-10, 20:45
ive been looking into my J's and found that my uncle have two identical J1d1, i am guessing they are sisters, mother and daughter or they could be one profile on V2 and V3 chip set..

Female
3rd to Distant Cousin
0.24% (18cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
J1d1

from genebank:

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/j1d_genbank_sequences.htm

they seem mostly Armenian..the one european seem likely to be Italian? on 23andme i found another who was Spanish, being J1d1 and two Turks who were J1d1, so it seems Caucasus/Anatolia is the likely origin.

sgc2009
2011-11-10, 21:03
ive been looking into my J's and found that my uncle have two identical J1d1, i am guessing they are sisters, mother and daughter or they could be one profile on V2 and V3 chip set..

Female
3rd to Distant Cousin
0.24% (18cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
J1d1

from genebank:

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/j1d_genbank_sequences.htm

they seem mostly Armenian..the one european seem likely to be Italian? on 23andme i found another who was Spanish, being J1d1 and two Turks who were J1d1, so it seems Caucasus/Anatolia is the likely origin.

Or just an American with Italian ancestry, which would seem the most likely considering the segment size.

evon
2011-11-10, 21:21
Or just an American with Italian ancestry, which would seem the most likely considering the segment size.

i think its more likely a Russian Armenian, he has one Russian Armenian already on his RF list, so it would fit with that..he has only 1 4gp Italian match on AF, so its extremely low compared to most of my other family members, thus Italy seems highly unlikely.. this is the same uncle who has a 0.53% maternal G2a and Asian admixture, so the origin points to the east..

evon
2011-11-12, 12:16
anyone got any cousins with maternal line H36? i just stumbled on to one today and i dont think ive seen that before, i cant find any info on H36 either...

Tuohikirje
2011-11-12, 13:24
anyone got any cousins with maternal line H36? i just stumbled on to one today and i dont think ive seen that before, i cant find any info on H36 either...

Nope. 1 Finn with Eastern surname mt-dna H39.
*ps. Karhunkynsi is H36.

timmay
2011-11-12, 13:36
anyone got any cousins with maternal line H36? i just stumbled on to one today and i dont think ive seen that before, i cant find any info on H36 either...

There's a Greek guy who has H36, but that's all on my list.

evon
2011-11-12, 13:44
yeah i found out that H36 is a sub group of H5, so its found in most of europe...its silly 23andme who uses odd numbering..

sgc2009
2011-11-12, 13:46
anyone got any cousins with maternal line H36? i just stumbled on to one today and i dont think ive seen that before, i cant find any info on H36 either...

Yeah, one south European (looks Greek or Italian), a Finn and an unknown.

evon
2011-11-12, 13:48
i wish they could split YDNA R1a's into more sub groups, the same goes for YDNA N1c's, it would really help with regards to my Rf matches..

timmay
2011-11-12, 13:50
i wish they could split YDNA R1a's into more sub groups, the same goes for YDNA Nic's, it would really help with regards to my Rf matches..

Same, but apparently R1a is one of the more dynamic and constantly changing haplogroups as in the info just keeps coming.

evon
2011-11-12, 13:58
some more mysterious cousins:

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H22 YDNA: R1a1a*

ive only found one who is H22 on 23andme and she is of Syrian ancestry.

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.12% (9cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
H15

have not found any info on H15 either :(

timmay
2011-11-12, 14:06
I have a new interesting one:

Male
3rd to Distant Cousin

0.21% shared, 1 segment
D4j E1b1b1a

Iranian? Turkish? Central Asian? Caucasian?

evon
2011-11-12, 14:14
I have a new interesting one:

Male
3rd to Distant Cousin

0.21% shared, 1 segment
D4j E1b1b1a

Iranian? Turkish? Central Asian? Caucasian?

i have one cousin from Romania who is D4j, i also share with a Iranian who is D4j, according to Genebank its east Asian in origin...so i think my romanian cousin might have some Tatar ancestry..

evon
2011-11-15, 22:32
ok, i think i have the weirdest RF cousin ever:

Male
4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% shared, 1 segment
mtDNA: P10 YDNA:J2a1b1*

my aunt also has him:

Male
3rd to Distant Cousin
0.11% shared, 1 segment
mtDNA: P10 YDNA: J2a1b1*

i think he is half Filipino as according to Wiki thats where P10 is found, half european..hope he accepts:)

Tsukonin
2011-11-15, 23:35
Does anybody know where H1g is found? A new 4th cousin has that subclade of H1.

Chalybus
2011-11-15, 23:58
Does anybody know where H1g is found? A new 4th cousin has that subclade of H1.

No clue, but I have got two. One wit I2 Y-Dna. Mome has him also. I assume Czech, Silesian, German or Polish.

H1 and its subclades is distributed all over Europe.

evon
2011-11-16, 00:04
Does anybody know where H1g is found? A new 4th cousin has that subclade of H1.

got a few Norwegian H1g...i think i have about 4-6 in all..

Tsukonin
2011-11-16, 20:04
OK.

But I bet it's another american match. :(

evon
2011-11-18, 18:45
E YDNA matches:

Granny:

3rd to 6th Cousin
0.37% (28cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1771 and 1901.
mtDNA: H YDNA: E1b1b1a4

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
Germany Northern Europe
mtDNA:H2a2b1 YDNA; E1b1b1a2*

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Northern Europe
mtDNA:T2a1 YDNA: E1b1b1a

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H2a2b1 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.19% (14cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: U5b2a YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

Maternal uncle:

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.13% (10cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Western Africa
mtDNA: V YDNA: E1b1a8a1*

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.18% (14cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: U5b2a YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.13% (10cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Northern Europe
mtDNA: K1a1b1 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

4th to Distant Cousin
0.09% (7cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H4a1a YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

Paternal aunt:

4th to Distant Cousin
0.09% (7cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H1a1 YDNA: E1b1a7a3a

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.13% (10cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: H1 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: HV9 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

4th to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
Eastern Europe
mtDNA:U3b1 YDNA: E1b1b1c1

4th to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H3 YDNA: E1b1b1c1a

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: U5a1 YDNA: E1b1b1c1a

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H1 YDNA: E1b1b1c1a

Me:

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: L2b1a YDNA: E1b1a7a

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.14% (11cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Western Africa
mtDNA: V YDNA: E1b1a8a1*

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
Northern Europe
mtDNA: H4a1 YDNA: E1b1b1a

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.13% (10cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: H2a2b1 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Northern Europe
mtDNA: K1a1b1 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: HV9 YDNA: E1b1b1a2*

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
Eastern Europe
mtDNA: U3b1 YDNA: E1b1b1c1

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: H1 YDNA: E1b1b1c1a

Humanist
2011-11-19, 18:07
The drought is finally over. Quite the interesting result. And, considering the relationships the predicted cousin has with my maternal grandmother and mother, it appears he is related to both my grandparents on the maternal side. There is a very good chance he is Assyrian. Which makes the mtDNA all the more interesting.

Relationship to grandmother
3-6th
2 segments
.21%

Relationship to mother
3-5th
3 segments
.34%

Y-DNA: G2a
mtDNA: M1'51

Tsukonin
2011-11-19, 19:24
mtDNA: M1'51

What does it mean, compared to the M1 subclades we usually find in Africa and the mediterranean?

Ashina
2011-11-19, 20:16
My dad is M1a! I really wonder where he got it from since M1 it's virtually absent in Turkey. I was thinking of a North African or perhaps even a East African slave ancestor, but I recently found out that the Turkic Bashkirs from the Volga-Ural region have about 2.5% of mtDNA M1. Which is quite a lot compared to the peoples of West Asia. Could this be a Turkish-Baskhir connection? I don't know about Humanist' cousins mtDNA though. Never seen that subclade before.

evon
2011-11-19, 20:47
some M lines are common in mid east plus Greece and Italy:
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/m1_genbank_sequences.htm

Humanist
2011-11-20, 11:07
What does it mean, compared to the M1 subclades we usually find in Africa and the mediterranean?

Not sure. To be honest. Apparently, what 23andMe refers to as M1'51, is simply M1 (14110). Need to read up on whatever studies have discussed the line recently.

---------- Post added 2011-11-20 at 05:14 ----------


My dad is M1a!

Cool! I forgot about that. :)


some M lines are common in mid east plus Greece and Italy:
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_group/m1_genbank_sequences.htm

Thanks, Evon. Ethiopians appear most often, on Ian's GenBank page for M1. There is also an assortment of Near Eastern and North African populations, including a couple of Iraqis. My HV4a2 line has been observed in Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and possibly Sicily.

Ashina
2011-11-20, 13:06
^Btw I forgot to mention but there is an Armenian user at 23andme with mtDNA M1a1.

Humanist
2011-11-20, 13:14
^Btw I forgot to mention but there is an Armenian user at 23andme with mtDNA M1a1.

Thanks. First thing I did was check the Armenian DNA Project page, to see if they had any cases of M1. They did not. Despite a sample size of 166. But, apparently, the much smaller Armenian sample at 23andMe does. Interesting. Thanks.

Tsukonin
2011-11-20, 14:52
I have a Maghrebi with y-dna R1b1*.

Humanist
2011-11-21, 19:09
OK, guys. Thankfully, the cousin accepted my invitation. ;)

Dad = G2a (Assyrian from Iraq)
Mom = M1'51 (Thai)

birko19
2011-11-21, 19:20
OK, guys. Thankfully, the cousin accepted my invitation. ;)

Dad = G2a (Assyrian from Iraq)
Mom = M1'51 (Thai)

This person is also related to my grandma.

orangepulp
2011-11-21, 19:38
My closest cousin (3rd) is mtDNA w6 and Y-DNA j2a1b1.
Where can this person be from?? Any clues?

Humanist
2011-11-21, 19:57
This person is also related to my grandma.

Did you see his last name? Sounds like the village you are from.

---------- Post added 2011-11-21 at 14:06 ----------


My closest cousin (3rd) is mtDNA w6 and Y-DNA j2a1b1.
Where can this person be from?? Any clues?

Turk or Armenian are possibilities. Armenians have a few W6 individuals (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ArmeniaDNAProject/default.aspx?section=mtresults).

mnd661
2011-11-24, 19:09
So, my dad has just heard back from a 'cousin' who is apparently quarter Slovenian, quarter German and half Russian/Belorussian. But the thing is, his global similarity scores go like this:

Southern Europeans 67.69
Northern Europeans 67.66
Near Easterners 67.22

Even full-blooded Slovenians, the most southern people of this person's claimed ancestry, generally have higher scores with northern Europeans than southerners. His Y-DNA haplogroup also happens to be T. It this at all possible or is this person part Jewish...?

quotablepatella
2011-11-30, 20:07
My RF matches jumped from 699 to 705 today, including one who was already public, so I was able to use my invites on all of the others. Another one of the new six appears to be an African-American, with whom I share 11cM. My brother also has five new matches, some of whom are the same as my new matches.

evon
2011-11-30, 22:01
My grandmother got a Russian guy with a Muslim name and family locations in Tatarstan ect, guessing he is Tatar?

4th to Distant Cousin
0.07% (5cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
Eastern Europe
mtDNA: T1a1 YDNA: R1b1b1

So that means my granny also have the link which i previously thought was via my maternal grandfather, but now it seems that either its seen in both (they have family from the same region), or its only via my grandmother, but stronger in her son for some reason?

so now i have two Tatars on my families RF list..the funny thing is, that i found another one of his profiles (he has about 8 in all) via Gedmatch.com, but that guy dose not show up on my RF list...odd huh?

Ashina
2011-11-30, 22:02
^Probably a Bashkort.

evon
2011-11-30, 22:08
^Probably a Bashkort.

Might be, i am waiting for a reply on his ethnic group, i did some searching on his last name and i found another Tatar with mixed Volga and Mishar Tatar ancestry relating to the name..one of the guy in his family is called Timur :P i have found matches as far as a Kazakh living in Omsk, so it could very well be so..who knows, interesting stuff though:)

Ashina
2011-11-30, 22:13
Well I was going by his Y-DNA. If I remember right, R1b1b1 is quite common among Bashkorts. But he could be anything ofcourse, from Russian, Mari, Tatar to Kazakh. :)

evon
2011-11-30, 22:16
i am just hoping he has mostly homogeneous ancestry and not too mixed, i hate it when i cant get a definite answer at all..most of my russian matches are very mixed.. which is as frustrating as with american matches..

Ashina
2011-11-30, 22:20
Good luck and if he turns out to be from some sort of Turkic minority and isn't mixed, please advice him to join eurogenes etc.

evon
2011-12-01, 16:31
He is Mishar Tatar, i will ask him if he matches my other Tatar match or other Norwegians..

quotablepatella
2011-12-06, 14:56
I've got two more RF matches today, including one who has mtDNA X2e and yDNA I2a2b.

evon
2011-12-08, 10:24
anyone know much about this YDNA lineage, dosnt seem typical north european..

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.12% (9cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
Northern Europe
mtDNA: H1e2 YDNA: R1b1b2a

Ashina
2011-12-08, 13:10
R1b1b2a is uber West Asian/Anatolian. He is probably Turkish or Armenian, Assyrian, Greek, Kurdish etc..

evon
2011-12-08, 13:29
R1b1b2a is uber West Asian/Anatolian. He is probably Turkish or Armenian, Assyrian, Greek, Kurdish etc..

Could very well be Armenian from Russia, i already have one of those...and she too lists north european ancestry.. guess people are not very good at geography :whoco:

---------- Post added 2011-12-08 at 13:49 ----------

i checked and i have quite a few of cousins with weird R1b groups, only the ones marked in bold are via my mothers side who have Armenian and Tatar cousins, so i have no idea where the others are via?


4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: T2a YDNA: R1b1b2

4th to Distant Cousin
0.11% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: U5b2b YDNA: R1b1b2a

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.14% (11cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: H1n YDNA: R1b1b2a

French/Norwegian:
3rd to Distant Cousin
0.15% (11cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: H1 YDNA: R1b1b2a

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.16% (12cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: H6a1 YDNA: R1b1b2a

4th to Distant Cousin
0.10% (8cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1871.
mtDNA: T1 YDNA: R1b1b2

3rd to Distant Cousin
0.12% (9cM) shared
1 segment
Estimated that your common ancestor was born before 1901.
mtDNA: H4a1a YDNA: R1b1b2a

Ashina
2011-12-08, 14:58
^I said West Asian at first because I missed the part where he had his ancestry listed as Northern European (yeah, again :ashamed:). Because it's very much possible that he is just a Northern/Eastern Euro with R1b1b2a of course. I just remembered that one of the Polish users here is R1b1b2a. 8)