Jews (Middle Easterners) & Russians? European vs Asian?

[EclectYummination]

Are any of them (Jews, Russians, Arabs) different populations from Europe?

Essentially: how do Near Easterners stack up to the populations of Europe, West / Central Asia, and India?

So: Mid-Easterners vs West Eurasia mainly

So it's the NE within their West Eurasian domain. As I understand it they run into the lands of India, Russia, and Europe (Turkey, Caucasus/Georgia, and Pakistan). Also, I know India is East Asia -ish, but the is primarily West Eurasian context thread, *not* a Mid-to-far-Eastern Asian thread.

Are Finns and Russians more Asian-like as I've heard a comment hear? There (at least Finns) language isn't even Indo-European, and what about the Saami? But mainly, Middle Easterners: are they are Arabs? Are Jews really Europeans?

[Genome analysis, and uni-parental markers, and genetic dates for when what lineages emerged or got where possibly.]

[EclectYummination]

If you notice:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Western_Asia_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg/300px-Western_Asia_%28orthographic_projection%29.svg.png

West Asia (or the "Middle/Near East") runs into North Asia (via Western Russia, so North Eurasia) in the North and South Asia (India) in their near East ( :) ) but is seperated from Central Asia by water (not that this stopped Turks from existing).

Out of Europe, North Asia (dull blue part), and South Asia, who do you think they would resemble most? India?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Location-Asia-UNsubregions.png

I think they look more North Asian than anything else admixture wise. Can anyone disprove this? I'd think not, they probably genetically highly resemble NorthWest Asia (West Russia), although I'm aware of Euro-Indian descent to (they get a strain of sickle-cell originally from India).

[Viking]

Jews are Middle Eastern Semites. Some of them have European admixture after living in Europe for several hundreds of years and mixing with their native populations. Their genetic composition is still (inbreedingly) Middle Eastern, though. We have been discussing whether the Jews are European or not in many threads before, and my answer is generally no.

Ethnic Russians are European, with some Asian admixture. North Russians have more Asian admixture than the others.

[amerinese]

There are also Jews with more Central Asian admixture, and South Asian admixture, ex. such as those originating from Bukhara, Uzbekistan and Kerala, India, but overall I agree from what I have read they (Jews) share a lot of uni-parental and autosomal DNA with each other and other West Asian semites (Arabs) regardless of where you find them, and yes this is probably due to their endogamy.

[Ekarfi]

Jews are Middle Eastern Semites. Some of them have European admixture after living in Europe for several hundreds of years and mixing with their native populations. Their genetic composition is still (inbreedingly) Middle Eastern, though. We have been discussing whether the Jews are European or not in many threads before, and my answer is generally no..
Not really. the European admixture in Jews (Ashkenazi , Sephardi and related groups ) is of rather mainly old Italian/Greek extraction and doesn't fit really their respective host populations but the host populations of their ancestors , thus why on a Map, they cluster between Near-Easterners and South-east Europans (with Sicilians and Greek Cypriots). Obviously the ancient Jews were just some kind of modern Lebanese or Mizrahi and as you said Semitic and Middle-Easterners.

[Perunov Bes]

I am not to sure about what Russian genetics look like as varying tests say varying things but without a doubt they are the least civilized europeans after albanians and bosniaks

[Juice]

Are Jews really Europeans?Do you mean by residence? If so, some are.
But culturally and ethnically I as a Jew don't feel any 'connection' to the host population of the country in Europe where I was born. And neither do they feel a connection to me. To sum it up; we know our place. :p
I do 'bond' with south Europeans to an extent though, especially Sicilians, Cypriots,...

[Ekarfi]

But culturally and ethnically I as a Jew don't feel any 'connection' to the host population of the country in Europe where I was born. And neither do they feel a connection to me. To sum it up; we know our place. :p
I do 'bond' with south Europeans to an extent though, especially Sicilians, Cypriots,...
in America ?My grandfather did feel strong connection with France , culturally as well. But it might not be the same.

[EclectYummination]

Thanx, all, and yes, Jews are of Middle Eastern origins, but this was more about the Middle Eastern population's genetics. I don't think many studies have been done centered on them and more North and Eastward Eurasia.

[Juice]

in America ?My grandfather did feel strong connection with France , culturally as well. But it might not be the same.No, currently I reside close to where I was born (Europe).
I just don't feel a connection to this place.

I don't know how it was/is for Jews living in France, but here a lot of Jews don't
even feel welcome enough to openly tell non-Jew people they are Jews.

[Humanophage]

Well, here are Dodecad data from the spreadheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=COCa89AJ&key=0ArAJcY18g2GadDUyeEtjNnBmY09EbnowN3M3UWRyNnc&hl=en_US&authkey=COCa89AJ#gid=0) on a number of diverse Jewish groups and some populations for reference. In general, most Jews have high Mediterranean, West Asian and Middle Eastern admixtures. Their exact region determines the proportions of these admixtures. Jews from distant regions such as Ethiopia or India are commonly intermixed with the local population to the point of being indistinguishable from it.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Jews_Graph.jpg

Same information arranged as a table, in alphabetic order:
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/Humanophage/Genetics/Jews_Table.jpg

As for Russians and Finns, they are both overwhelmingly European with minute North Asian admixtures (~3-6% for Russians, ~5-6% for Finns). Northern Russians (the extreme north, like Archangel) are more 'Finno-Ugric' than even Finns. Russians are similar to Poles, Lithuanians, etc. Finns are have large Western European admixtures, especially towards the Baltic Sea. Both Russians and Finns have some of the smallest Mediterranean admixtures among Europeans. Eurogenes explores this theme quite thoroughly. Here is their K=9 table (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ato3EYTdM8lQdE9HYXlkbUJYUk1UbUNjVU1PNkRTQ Xc&hl=en_US) of admixtures. The niche of Europeans with significant North Asian admixtures is occupied by various Volga peoples (Tatars, Chuvashes, etc.)

[ScarletMonkey]

Do you mean by residence? If so, some are.
But culturally and ethnically I as a Jew don't feel any 'connection' to the host population of the country in Europe where I was born. And neither do they feel a connection to me. To sum it up; we know our place. :p
I do 'bond' with south Europeans to an extent though, especially Sicilians, Cypriots,...

where were you born?