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oditous
2010-01-21, 19:28
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West Papua - Genocide by Demographics
If present demographic trends continue, West Papua (formerly Irian Jaya) will be majority Indonesian (mostly Javanese) Muslim by 2011, and the indigenous Melanesian predominantly Protestant Christian Papuans will be a dwindling 15 percent minority by 2030, reports Elizabeth Kendal, World Evangelical Alliance Religious Liberty Commission (WEA RLC), special to ASSIST News Service (http://www.assistnews.net/). This was recently forecast in a conference at the University of Sydney (NSW, Australia) by Political Scientist Dr Jim Elmslie of the West Papua Project, which is based at the University of Sydney Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies (CPACS).
http://www.christiantelegraph.com/issue147.html



Comparable i suppose to population policies by China and former USSR to reduce ethnic majorities in their autonomous regions. I guess also continuation of millennia long expansion of austronesians at the expense of retreating melanesians.


Haplogroups
There are 6 main Y-chromosome haplogroups in Western New Guinea Y-chromosome haplogroup M is the most popular, with Y-chromosome haplogroup O2a as a small minority in second place and Y-chromosome haplogroup S back in third position across the mountain highlands; while D, C2 and C4 are of negligible numbers.

Haplogroup M is the most frequently occurring Y-chromosome haplography in Western New Guinea.[21]. In a 2005 study of Papua New Guinea’s ASPM gene variants, Mekel-Bobrov et al. found that the Papuan people have among the highest rate of the newly-evolved ASPM haplogroup D, at 59.4% occurrence of the approximately 6,000-year-old allele.[22].
Haplogroup O2a (M95) is typical of Austro-Asiatic peoples, Kradai peoples, Malays, Indonesians, and Malagasy, with a moderate distribution throughout South Asia, Southeast Asia, East Asia, and Central Asia.
Haplogroup S occurs in eastern Indonesia (10–20%) and Island Melanesia (~10%), but reaches greatest frequency in the highlands of Papua New Guinea (52%).


Ahead of recent indonesian transmigration, already some austronesian markers. It seems logical to assume that westpapuans have been more admixed with austronesians than people from papua new guinea.

Looking at the pictures, some of the people look familiar to me and less recognisably "papuan". I'd say many could pass as new world blacks, specifically from latin america.



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For good measure also some recent indonesian migrants

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these kids already look eastern indonesian though

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Zupan
2010-01-21, 19:37
Some of them reminded me of australian aborigines :o :D
oditous
2010-01-22, 21:34
Which ones?

i think papuans and aboriginals look rather different. Which is kind of peculiar because they live right next to each other. Must be because of a lack of seafaring traditions among both peoples.


Taken at a festival, people from all over West Papua represented


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Robin Goodfellow
2010-01-23, 13:43
edit.
oditous
2010-01-24, 09:21
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Zupan
2010-01-24, 12:24
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Australoid mother and chinesoid child :p :D
pinguin
2010-01-24, 14:01
Some of them reminded me of australian aborigines :o :D

Australia and New Guinea belongs to the Great Australia region. Both Australians and Papuans are Australoid peoples, closely related among them. Although physical differences exist. Guineans are mainly curly and Aborigins have straight hair, for instance.
Robin Goodfellow
2010-01-24, 19:11
Maybe the west is less extremely melanesid or diverse while the east is more uniform
this guy's diluted.
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Its kinky to imagine someone like this mixing with coarse atheletic melanesid males, nice combo between the softness of this ..............south east mongolo weddoid type contrast with melanesian ruggedness

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Prominent gonials affording a square face

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oditous
2010-01-24, 20:35
Australoid mother and chinesoid child :p :D

lol i wonder if it's really hers or if she 's a papua mammy :D


Maybe the west is less extremely melanesid or diverse while the east is more uniform

Yeah i think so, it should show up in genetic testing i suppose. Although all over New guinea there's a difference between coastal populations and highland papuas who remained more isolated.



Its kinky to imagine someone like this mixing with coarse atheletic melanesid males, nice combo between the softness of this ..............south east mongolo weddoid type contrast with melanesian ruggedness

an as of yet unexplored niche market for adult video makers :lol:



Prominent gonials affording a square face

That's a cromagnoid trait right?
Zupan
2010-01-24, 20:39
lol i wonder if it's really hers or if she 's a papua mammy :D

Struck my mind too :p Maybe she stole it.. :o
oditous
2010-01-24, 20:44
Struck my mind too :p Maybe she stole it.. :o


In that case the photographer caught her redhanded :lol:


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Grasshoppa
2010-01-29, 19:03
Australia and New Guinea belongs to the Great Australia region. Both Australians and Papuans are Australoid peoples, closely related among them. Although physical differences exist. Guineans are mainly curly and Aborigins have straight hair, for instance.

The difference in features is enough to consider classifying them differently. That is, if you're into that sort of thing. These people are clearly very different looking from Australians and in most cases I would not confuse the two (this is not solely based on hair texture either).
oditous
2010-01-29, 20:01
indeed, it's much more than just hair texture. For one, papuas seem to be lacking the typical brow ridges of aboriginals. In fact i think they often look more caucasiform than aboriginals.

Some pictures for comparison.


Papuas



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Aboriginals

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ilham_indonesia
2012-04-22, 11:09
Miss West Papua Province 2011 Amanda Roberta Zevannya
about her Malay features, I still don't know if she is migrant from western Indonesia or something, but she has Westernized name like many Papuan names :confused:

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ONXVDKo8-0/Ternhe5yKuI/AAAAAAAAAFY/fFZ3_9S5qSo/s1600/PapuaBarat2.jpg
upyours
2012-04-22, 17:04
Miss West Papua Province 2011 Amanda Roberta Zevannya
about her Malay features, I still don't know if she is migrant from western Indonesia or something, but she has Westernized name like many Papuan names :confused:

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/187758_105705302854508_2128032_n.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ONXVDKo8-0/Ternhe5yKuI/AAAAAAAAAFY/fFZ3_9S5qSo/s1600/PapuaBarat2.jpg

Many Moluccans have westernized names as well with Timorese(if you count Latin names as Western).