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Lasituacion
2010-02-02, 01:54
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/n513898591_1648315_3717854.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/YO.jpg
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/lOe12c476434-02.jpg


Me as a kid

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/l_59df6e02efc5164649d785c0c511b88c.jpg

Svin
2010-02-02, 01:59
Caucasoid/Mongoloid?

SilverI
2010-02-02, 02:23
I'd say 7/8 Caucasiod and 1/8 Mongoloid?

pinguin
2010-02-02, 02:26
You look Spanish, French or Italian.

Lasituacion
2010-02-02, 02:26
i dont have any knowledge of mongoloid or asian heritage on me. however i dont know why i have chinky eyes.

Sevastopol
2010-02-02, 02:33
You just look French to me, They have those eyes that are often mistaken as being Mongoloid.

SilverI
2010-02-02, 02:34
I think he is Russian.

pinguin
2010-02-02, 02:34
I recall a French actor, that I don't remember the name, who looked as your twin.

Stefan
2010-02-02, 02:39
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/YO.jpg


In this picture you kind of look like John Cusack.

http://julieluongo.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/john-cusack.jpg

Anyway yes I would place you in France and Iberia. You wouldn't be odd in any other countries though. As for your phenotype, I'm thinking (North) Atlantid + Alpinid.

Loxias
2010-02-02, 02:43
Very Iberian looking imo.
Atlanto-med+Alpinid

pinguin
2010-02-02, 02:46
Two French that have that "looks"

Actor Alain Delon

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_I9ksDxPK0MA/SEBfBw_MEYI/AAAAAAAABfQ/To8S37X2zkQ/s400/delon.jpg

Singer Herve Villard.

http://p.playme.com/cspv/82-60-11-10-00-MetaPreview-Cover-JPEG256x256/herv%C3%A9-vilard/best-of-herv%C3%A9-vilard.jpg

riser
2010-02-02, 02:58
South West euopean.

christianpierre
2010-02-02, 03:09
are you from Alsace?

ghostface
2010-02-02, 03:12
native North American, I'm gonna guess your a 1/4 Cree

Decimator
2010-02-02, 05:25
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/lOe12c476434-02.jpg

In this one you remind me of some Tatars

Wulffie
2010-02-02, 05:28
native North American, I'm gonna guess your a 1/4 Cree

He said he didn't have any Mongoloid/Asian ancestry, and that he doesn't know where his "chinky" eyes come from.

I'm gonna stick with French on this guy.

NacionalistMex
2010-02-02, 05:51
You look Caucasian (Atlanto Mediterranean) + Mongoloide, IMO.

Altay
2010-02-02, 07:48
Atlantid, reminds me of Kadu.

yanniai
2010-02-02, 08:01
Are you Hungarian?

Lasituacion
2010-02-02, 14:47
hhehehe very close most of you.

Well im mexican.

My dad was born in the Basque country, but he doesnt have the Baskid Fenotype. He looks like Ex prime minister Jose maria aznar.

My mom is Mexican but i dont know her background, ill post a pic of her later so i can know what is she.
i think shes like Spanish with Centralid Amerindian

And the eyes i think i got them from my grandpa who was basque.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/Abuelo.jpg

Pallantides
2010-02-02, 14:51
Caucasoid/Mongoloid?

I don't see any Mongoloid influences at all.

Cynric
2010-02-02, 18:50
Atlantid with very diluted Zentralid Pueblid influence.

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In this picture you kind of look like John Cusack.

http://julieluongo.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/john-cusack.jpg

Anyway yes I would place you in France and Iberia. You wouldn't be odd in any other countries though. As for your phenotype, I'm thinking (North) Atlantid + Alpinid.

John Cusack Looks like 1/8 Amerindian to me, I bet anything you want that he's mixed.

limeon
2010-02-02, 19:10
hhehehe very close most of you.

Well im mexican.

My dad was born in the Basque country, but he doesnt have the Baskid Fenotype. He looks like Ex prime minister Jose maria aznar.

My mom is Mexican but i dont know her background, ill post a pic of her later so i can know what is she.
i think shes like Spanish with Centralid Amerindian

And the eyes i think i got them from my grandpa who was basque.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/Abuelo.jpg

But how can you have mongoloid eyes shape? is that your mum or dad have it?




I don't see any Mongoloid influences at all.

Are u blind? :whoco:

Stefan
2010-02-02, 19:26
I still say you would fit in Europe pretty well. The only Mongoloid traits I see is your hair texture and eye fold, though they are nowhere near unusual and within the European range. Your bizygomatics are also pretty pronounced, but within the range. Still, chances are these traits probably come from your Amerindian ancestry, so there is no point in justifying them as European. They are nowhere atypical in Europe though.

Edit: If I were to guess your mixture, you are probably 5-10% Amerindian. Maybe even less.

Wulffie
2010-02-02, 19:32
Regarding your race, you're definitely a white-hispanic, if that's what you were asking.

Lasituacion
2010-02-02, 20:03
Im a a raceless freak

Útgarða-Loki
2010-02-02, 20:09
But how can you have mongoloid eyes shape? is that your mum or dad have it?





Are u blind? :whoco:
Are you guys serious?
Even the average Norwegian and Icelandic person looks more mongoloid than this guy.

limeon
2010-02-02, 20:14
Are you guys serious?
Even the average Norwegian and Icelandic person looks more mongoloid than this guy.

Post some picture of those norwegian and Icelandic person :)

Stefan
2010-02-02, 20:27
Im a a raceless freak

"Raceless"? Maybe depending on who you ask. "Raceless" in the real world? Not at all. Freak? Most definitely not.

To be honest, I look much more exotic to Europe than you do, and I, with the exception of an ancestor 9 generations back, have a very little chance of admixture. The only reason I would've said some of your features to be Amerindian anyway was because you mentioned it yourself and some things fit in with that.

So racially, yes you may be distantly mixed, but you fit in with your ethnic group well, and your phenotype doesn't show it otherwise. That is nothing to be ashamed about. Actually in some ways, it is much better than being purely of one race yet not able to relate to your ethnic group(or any for that matter) due to being distanced based on phenotype. :ashamed:

Incanal
2010-02-02, 20:39
I guess you could be the star of some mexican soap opera or boysband :D

Útgarða-Loki
2010-02-02, 20:40
Post some picture of those norwegian and Icelandic person :)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4864/m12e.jpg
http://www.lsadv.com.br/jsnet/bjork/img/i_ou/i_fam/fam_036.jpg
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7429/heida.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6434/luringen.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3743/malin.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5421/siri3.jpg
http://malle.abcblogg.no/images/kristoffer_joner_1171555055.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5497/bilderavmegkonf018.jpg
http://www.p4.no/mmo/3e39a82f-d499-48bc-a4d1-c68f2e71044d.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/49/493/493755/bakke_1172827357.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5495/bardfaust.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6166/mp2z.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/54/546/546925/ine_1221478753.jpg
http://www.tkl.no/Pressefoto_statsminister_Kjell_Magne_Bondevik_jpg_ small.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Whassaname/Bjork.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00649/Herborg_Kr_kevik_649818i.jpg

Lasituacion
2010-02-02, 20:48
"Raceless"? Maybe depending on who you ask. "Raceless" in the real world? Not at all. Freak? Most definitely not.

To be honest, I look much more exotic to Europe than you do, and I, with the exception of an ancestor 9 generations back, have a very little chance of admixture. The only reason I would've said some of your features to be Amerindian anyway was because you mentioned it yourself and some things fit in with that.

So racially, yes you may be distantly mixed, but you fit in with your ethnic group well, and your phenotype doesn't show it otherwise. That is nothing to be ashamed about. Actually in some ways, it is much better than being purely of one race yet not able to relate to your ethnic group(or any for that matter) due to being distanced based on phenotype. :ashamed:

hehe it was a joke. I really don't mind being multi racial i only wanted to know my phenotype.


By the way i think you fit in the Baskid Phenotype.

Pallantides
2010-02-02, 21:14
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/4864/m12e.jpg
http://www.lsadv.com.br/jsnet/bjork/img/i_ou/i_fam/fam_036.jpg
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7429/heida.jpg
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6434/luringen.jpg
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/3743/malin.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/5421/siri3.jpg
http://malle.abcblogg.no/images/kristoffer_joner_1171555055.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5497/bilderavmegkonf018.jpg
http://www.p4.no/mmo/3e39a82f-d499-48bc-a4d1-c68f2e71044d.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/49/493/493755/bakke_1172827357.jpg
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5495/bardfaust.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6166/mp2z.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/5/54/546/546925/ine_1221478753.jpg
http://www.tkl.no/Pressefoto_statsminister_Kjell_Magne_Bondevik_jpg_ small.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f271/Whassaname/Bjork.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00649/Herborg_Kr_kevik_649818i.jpg




Here I'll add a few old pictures of Norwegians to that list.:)
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/valle52.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalmann5.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdalfamilie4.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/Setesdal/setesdal31.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen1142.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen239.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen202.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen150.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen123.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen113.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen98.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen11.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen89.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen47.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen44.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen33.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen25.jpg
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/The%20Borgen%20Collection/borgen19.jpg

My great great great grandparents.
http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac316/Pallantides/stuff/skann_0045.jpg



Are u blind? :whoco:

If Lasituacion is part mongoloid then Norway is filled with full blooded Mongoloids.:lol:

Lasituacion
2010-02-02, 21:27
Hehehe i was always aware of my chinky eyes, but i didnt know where they come from.


I lived believing that i belonged to the group of Spaniards with chinky eyes hahahahaha
http://www.athletic-club.net/web/fotos/fichas/fotoficha1781.jpg
http://www.athletic-club.net/web/fotos/fichas/fotoficha860.jpg
http://www.athletic-club.net/web/fotos/fichas/fotoficha851.jpg
http://www.athletic-club.net/web/fotos/fichas/fotoficha214.jpg


later i suspected it was some admixture with some Amerindian Type


And now im surprised to find out im a relative of Gengis Khan

http://www.fxinteractive.com/p004/img/Gengis%20Khan.jpg

hehe just kiddin

Stefan
2010-02-02, 21:31
Look at the eyes of the Lady of Elche.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Dama_de_Elche_(M.A.N._Madrid)_01.jpg

Aguirre
2010-02-03, 02:18
Western european. South French or Iberian most def. In terms Of race, Definitely Homo Sapiens Sapiens.Dont see much of a neanderthal or an Homo floresciensis on you lol

Legion
2010-02-03, 04:26
All those Norwegian and Icelandic pics... Are you guys for real?? You look like Tatars:o

Nephilim
2010-02-03, 04:56
Amerindian admixture is their although heavily diluted by European blood. You look similar to Tatars.

Tico
2010-02-03, 05:00
You look like those Latin American telenovela actors lol, Iberianoid-meddish::p

limeon
2010-02-03, 13:31
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only five picture of those look like mongoloid.

Pallantides
2010-02-03, 13:34
only five picture of those look like mongoloid.

None of them look mongoloid imo, but if Lasituacion looks even a quarter mongoloid well then they sure look mongoloid:lol:

limeon
2010-02-03, 13:43
[B]

If Lasituacion is part mongoloid then Norway is filled with full blooded Mongoloids.:lol:

Nothing come up just like that, Maybe these Norwegians have been mingled with the Finns.

You don't seem to know anything about race or admixture, you just talk like that for fun. I'am not gonna take u serious any more.

Pallantides
2010-02-03, 13:46
Nothing come up just like that, Maybe these Norwegians have been mingled with the Finns.

You don't seem to know anything about race or admixture, you just talk like that for fun. I'am not gonna take u serious any more.

I very much doubt any of those people have Finnish ancestry, besides Finns are not mongoloids...jeez:whoco:

It seems you are not so good at recognizing Northern European features.

limeon
2010-02-03, 13:56
I very much doubt any of those people have Finnish ancestry, besides Finns are not mongoloids...jeez:whoco:

Really? what are these Y-chromosome, the most common haplogroups of the Finns are N3 (58%), I (29%), R1a (7.5%) and R1b (3.5%)

you have to read some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)

You havent looked closely enough. Pekka Eric Auvinen is an ethnic Finn from southern Finland:

http://jk666.webng.com/underground/jokela/naturalselector8cc5.png


and what are mongoloid for you if those picture not mongoloid, can you show me some pic :D

Pallantides
2010-02-03, 14:07
Really? what are these Y-chromosome, the most common haplogroups of the Finns are N3 (58%), I (29%), R1a (7.5%) and R1b (3.5%)

you have to read some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)

You havent looked closely enough. Pekka Eric Auvinen is an ethnic Finn from southern Finland:

http://jk666.webng.com/underground/jokela/naturalselector8cc5.png


and what are mongoloid for you if those picture not mongoloid, can you show me some pic :D



Mongoloids:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3261/gilyak.jpg
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/m/images/mongol-part-one-2.jpg
http://library.thinkquest.org/26639/images/imglarge/Img0061.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Inuit_women_1907.jpg

limeon
2010-02-03, 14:31
Mongoloids:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3261/gilyak.jpg
http://thecia.com.au/reviews/m/images/mongol-part-one-2.jpg
http://library.thinkquest.org/26639/images/imglarge/Img0061.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Inuit_women_1907.jpg

:whoco::whoco::whoco:

Those are mongols from Mongolia...We talk about Mongoloid admixture and Y-DNA and not about mongol as ethnic people.....

Viking
2010-02-03, 14:32
Really? what are these Y-chromosome, the most common haplogroups of the Finns are N3 (58%), I (29%), R1a (7.5%) and R1b (3.5%)

you have to read some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N_(Y-DNA)

You haven’t looked closely enough. Pekka Eric Auvinen is an ethnic Finn from southern Finland:

http://jk666.webng.com/underground/jokela/naturalselector8cc5.png


and what are mongoloid for you if those picture not mongoloid, can you show me some pic :D

That is a pseudo-Asian (also known as Lappoid) look. And by the way, if I remember correctly, Finnish last names ending with -nen usually have their origins in Eastern Finland.

And what does Y-DNA have to do with the race of a human being? Women don't even carry Y-DNA, so I guess that they cannot belong to a race then. :|

How about this, when looking at whole genomes of human beings?

http://i33.tinypic.com/2807abo.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/1zgyjp1.jpg

http://i36.tinypic.com/nvuse8.jpg

http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0003519

Gee, I see that the Finns cluster very far away from the Europeans and so tightly with the Asians. :thumbsup: :evilgrin:

Let's go back to the topic of this thread now, ok?

Pallantides
2010-02-03, 14:34
:whoco::whoco::whoco:

Those are mongols from Mongolia...We talk about Mongoloid admixture and Y-DNA and not about mongol as ethnic people.....
Actually they are not all Mongols... but you obviously can't tell the difference.


Point is...I doubt there is any Mongoloid admixture in any of the Norwegians posted in this thread...I'm sure it would have been picked up in Genetic studies if Norway had significant mongoloid admixture.:)

As for the Finn Pekka ...well he looks slightly lappoid nothing more.

Robin Goodfellow
2010-02-03, 14:37
With a structure like this I could say that you have a fluid border with atlanto meds afterall their morpho is classically similar and for this reason separate from the most distinctive nordids. Possibly u are a nordo mediterranid in inspiration.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa230/Gago_aimar/lOe12c476434-02.jpg

Lasituacion
2010-03-30, 05:16
Atlantid with very diluted Zentralid Pueblid influence.

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John Cusack Looks like 1/8 Amerindian to me, I bet anything you want that he's mixed.

Your opinion doesn't matter freak

Cynric
2010-04-04, 20:05
Your opinion doesn't matter freak


Oh it does mestizo friend, or else you wouldnt be repplying :p
Look who's talking Dr Semen LMAO :lol:

Get a life fucking "Criollo" freak, you guys are all the same, sadly that's what Mexico exports the most, assholes. :thumbsup:

euromax
2010-04-04, 20:06
A person can only be one race
you are Caucasian !

Stygian Cellarius
2010-04-04, 20:15
The fellow looks Subnordique. I see no Mongoloid at all. Looks French.

Decimator
2010-04-04, 22:17
Oh it does mestizo friend, or else you wouldnt be repplying :p
Look who's talking Dr Semen LMAO :lol:

Get a life fucking "Criollo" freak, you guys are all the same, sadly that's what Mexico exports the most, assholes. :thumbsup:

ROFL you were the one that said you had a Yaqui grandparent but wanted all people to consider yourself white in the USA, who's the freak beanboy?

obong
2010-04-05, 18:03
Are you guys serious?
Even the average Norwegian and Icelandic person looks more mongoloid than this guy.

yes,and 90% of Finnish look more mongoloid than this guy.

Lasituacion
2010-04-06, 21:30
Oh it does mestizo friend, or else you wouldnt be repplying :p
Look who's talking Dr Semen LMAO :lol:

Get a life fucking "Criollo" freak, you guys are all the same, sadly that's what Mexico exports the most, assholes. :thumbsup:

Mestizo? jajaja you wish

and criollo you will also wish to be one

anyway how's your life as a fruit picker in california JC?

---------- Post added 2010-04-06 at 20:38 ----------

Or maybe you smtena??? the freak who likes to write essays about ANTI NATIVEAMERICANS but enjoys having babies with Nativeamerican girls????????



IRONYYYYYYYYYY

Decimator
2010-04-06, 21:45
Mestizo? jajaja you wish

and criollo you will also wish to be one

anyway how's your life as a fruit picker in california JC?

---------- Post added 2010-04-06 at 20:38 ----------

Or maybe you smtena??? the freak who likes to write essays about ANTI NATIVEAMERICANS but enjoys having babies with Nativeamerican girls????????



IRONYYYYYYYYYY

I don't think he's any of both, he said he was from Sonora

Lasituacion
2010-04-06, 21:51
well if he is from "Mexico Criollo" froum we know his real phenotype haaaaaa xd

Decimator
2010-04-06, 21:52
well if he is from "Mexico Criollo" froum we know his real phenotype haaaaaa xd

What do you identify as? Just curiousity

Zupan
2010-04-06, 21:53
He looks like a spaniard, 100%.. He could pass as italian too or anywhere from southern europe tbh.

Lasituacion
2010-04-06, 21:54
by the way who the fuck is dr semen? is that the Dr that checks your prostate cynric?

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What do you identify as? Just curiousity

mexicanoid

subtype

chilangoid

sturmgewehr
2010-05-24, 08:55
I don't know if you are from Mexico but u look like you are from France or something, there is no way I would believe you are a Mexican if I met u in Paris.

I don't think you have chinky eyes, I don't see the chinky eyes.

jeffa65
2011-02-22, 11:56
French

Ashina
2011-02-22, 12:34
He does have chinky eyes/face - his face looks more Asian than his eyes. And in your avatar, you look like this chinky Turk.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5175/5468230652_8ba2ecfbd6.jpg

Wickedgirl
2011-02-22, 12:38
Is this your long-lost brother?

Masahiroguren
2011-02-22, 13:00
You look like an ideal prototype of some mangas male protagonist. Your lips and full eye sockets indicate you are a mixed from amerind and caucasian. But those features make you more attractive than many purely caucasian. Maybe you are 1/8 amerind.

elone
2011-02-22, 13:07
at first i thought you were mixed,but the more i looked at you it looks as if all those features fit within the european spectrum.so idk.i thought at first you were from the east,because you got that lestat look to you or some shit so i thought of like transylvania hahaa.

Indocentrist
2011-02-22, 13:20
This guy could go to Japan and be a model. He does look a bit eurasian.

Hollywood is probably looking for guys that look like him as well.

Incanal
2011-02-22, 16:38
You are a tricky one. You could perfectly pass in the old continent as a 'chinky' euro (ala Kadu) and if you have some native ancestry it's really interesting that it gave you a 'jap' vibe instead of a 'cholo' one.

Indian
2011-02-22, 16:47
If you were from Europe, people would say you are fully white, but if you are from Mexico, South America or the US, people would say you may have small amount of Native in you. This is the trouble with classifications. I have to admit though you do look a little Mongoloid influenced, but I have seen Europeans that look like you too.

A fully white English actor, Roger Lloyd Pack, looks a bit like you.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40953000/jpg/_40953948_trigger203.jpg

Jason
2011-02-23, 01:15
Baskid is another variation of Dinarid.

Dave
2011-02-23, 01:34
you have a future in Telenovelas!

or in India as a superstar

or somewhere near russia


to me you look like a whiter mexican dunno I would not be surprised if I saw you in mexico, Are you from Sonora? That is a really european state.

Pinkpanda93
2011-02-23, 01:34
Lasituacion, now you could pass as European,. although with slightly Asian-like eyes.

JaM
2011-02-23, 01:47
You really look French in those three pictures. I see nothing "chinky" there. You remind me of some of the actors in the French new wave. I get an Alain Delon vibe too. In the second pic you even remind me of Christopher Lambert a little bit.

Lasituacion
2011-03-02, 04:25
. Maybe you are 1/8 amerind.

Most likely, i believe that as well... ill love to take a genetic test or somethin but there isn't such thing here in mexico..



Is this your long-lost brother?

hahaha i wish.. this is actually the first time someone cmopares me to james blunt.


You are a tricky one. You could perfectly pass in the old continent as a 'chinky' euro (ala Kadu) and if you have some native ancestry it's really interesting that it gave you a 'jap' vibe instead of a 'cholo' one.

hahaha i know i have some native on me, but its strange due in mexico city most of them are centralids with round face so maybe is native from the north like silvid or somethin


you have a future in Telenovelas!

or in India as a superstar

or somewhere near russia


to me you look like a whiter mexican dunno I would not be surprised if I saw you in mexico, Are you from Sonora? That is a really european state.

hahahaha i just had my first amateur boxing fight. i think i need more native blood to be sucesfull in the sport but anyways ill give it a try haha

jibarodepr
2011-03-02, 04:29
hahahaha i just had my first amateur boxing fight. i think i need more native blood to be sucesfull in the sport but anyways ill give it a try hahaYes, you make a better boxer than telenovelas acotr.

Lasituacion
2011-03-14, 01:15
You are a tricky one. You could perfectly pass in the old continent as a 'chinky' euro (ala Kadu) and if you have some native ancestry it's really interesting that it gave you a 'jap' vibe instead of a 'cholo' one.

Nice avatar hahaha

Luckybastard
2011-03-14, 01:41
You just look French to me, They have those eyes that are often mistaken as being Mongoloid.

:lol: Maybe mistaken by someone who's blind:whoco:. Believe me French people don't have ''mongoloid eyes''

Lasituacion
2011-03-14, 02:05
You look Spanish, French or Italian.

tzzz being french is not a good thing they look like fags spanish is ok

Luckybastard
2011-03-14, 02:09
tzzz being french is not a good thing they look like fags spanish is ok

:lol:

Arminfrench
2011-03-14, 02:12
i dont have any knowledge of mongoloid or asian heritage on me. however i dont know why i have chinky eyes.





You just look French to me, They have those eyes that are often mistaken as being Mongoloid.




Yeah you deffo look french I would bet money on that man. I have french heritage and I also have odd eyes sort of chinky just as yours but it's due to our alinpoid heritage as sevastopol points out can be mistaken with asiatic.

To my eyes you look 100% french from the south france.


Cheers.

Debian
2011-03-14, 03:25
i dont have any knowledge of mongoloid or asian heritage on me. however i dont know why i have chinky eyes.

you look like those finns with uralic admixture.. i really can see some mongoloid in you.. though i would never have guessed your real ethnicity..

You look like the lost brother of jari litmanen.. yet litmanen seems to have some mongoloid or uralic influences himself....

Pale Blonde
2011-03-14, 04:24
Iberian

elone
2011-03-14, 05:26
the second pic reminds me alot of pics of my dad when he was alot younger...

pic of him now,i cant find the older pics..

Luckybastard
2011-03-14, 05:56
you look like those finns with uralic admixture.. i really can see some mongoloid in you.. though i would never have guessed your real ethnicity..

You look like the lost brother of jari litmanen.. yet litmanen seems to have some mongoloid or uralic influences himself....

:o Your right, totally forgot about that guy :whoco:

JaM
2011-03-14, 11:28
tzzz being french is not a good thing they look like fags spanish is ok

I think you should take up the subject of the alleged fagginess of the French with this guy:

62483

Debian
2011-03-14, 11:29
the second pic reminds me alot of pics of my dad when he was alot younger...

pic of him now,i cant find the older pics..

dude the man you have posted looks dutch/danes , the OP is a southern euro looking with some ambiguous influences.. could even pass for dark/uralic influenced finn.. i dont see a relation with the other guy though

elone
2011-03-14, 14:13
it was the second pic,the way he look was reminiscent of older pics of my dad,infact it looked almost exactly like him in his early 20's...

its probably just the angling or something..

Jusarius
2011-03-14, 14:39
you look like those finns with uralic admixture.. i really can see some mongoloid in you.. though i would never have guessed your real ethnicity..

You look like the lost brother of jari litmanen.. yet litmanen seems to have some mongoloid or uralic influences himself.... I really can see much ****** stupidity in you.

I think the resembles Sebastian Loeb:
http://jolauje.free.fr/images/rallyes/Les_Pilotes/Sebastien_Loeb_1.jpg

beyoku
2011-03-14, 15:06
"White"

mrkg666
2011-03-14, 16:40
Atlantid with very diluted Zentralid Pueblid influence.

---------- Post added 2010-02-02 at 12:52 ----------



John Cusack Looks like 1/8 Amerindian to me, I bet anything you want that he's mixed.

I don't see any Zentralid or Pueblid influence in him what so ever, just cause he is mexican that doesn't mean he has or have to have Indian features, HE DOES NOT HAVE ANY INDIAN FEATURES. :D, I bet you wouldn't have said this if you didn't know that he was mexican. Anyways this guy in my opinion looks French.

Arminfrench
2011-03-14, 22:19
I agree with MRKG, Lasituacion doesn't have Zentralid blood, if he had zentralid his face would be rounded with a small forehead.

0 Zentralid blood presence in him.....

kilometro7
2011-03-16, 23:31
Just because his face is not round doesn't discard the possibility of minor Amerindian Ancestry, I'm around 4% Amerind but I don't have any Amerind feature. The thing with Latin Americans is that even the whitest looking ones almost always have at least minor African or Amerind admixture.

Although, I agree with mrkg666 who said that people are saying he looks mix because they know that he's mexican. Most of the time when people know someone is Latin American they start seeing mixture that might be genetically present but that doesn't show in the person's Phenotype or when they know a person being classify is Latin American, then he automatically can't fit in Europe. Not everyone is like that but is something I see very often in this forum.

BTW Lacituacion looks very European to me, I'm sure he could go unnoticed in many European countries.

Bohecoa
2011-03-17, 03:56
Just because his face is not round doesn't discard the possibility of minor Amerindian Ancestry, I'm around 4% Amerind but I don't have any Amerind feature. The thing with Latin Americans is that even the whitest looking ones almost always have at least minor African or Amerind admixture.

Although, I agree with mrkg666 who said that people are saying he looks mix because they know that he's mexican. Most of the time when people know someone is Latin American they start seeing mixture that might be genetically present but that doesn't show in the person's Phenotype or when they know a person being classify is Latin American, then he automatically can't fit in Europe. Not everyone is like that but is something I see very often in this forum.

BTW Lacituacion looks very European to me, I'm sure he could go unnoticed in many European countries.

This is very true. :sick:

Bonaoense
2011-03-17, 04:01
Just because his face is not round doesn't discard the possibility of minor Amerindian Ancestry, I'm around 4% Amerind but I don't have any Amerind feature. The thing with Latin Americans is that even the whitest looking ones almost always have at least minor African or Amerind admixture.

Although, I agree with mrkg666 who said that people are saying he looks mix because they know that he's mexican. Most of the time when people know someone is Latin American they start seeing mixture that might be genetically present but that doesn't show in the person's Phenotype or when they know a person being classify is Latin American, then he automatically can't fit in Europe. Not everyone is like that but is something I see very often in this forum.

BTW Lacituacion looks very European to me, I'm sure he could go unnoticed in many European countries.

sometimes it's the opposite actually

Debian
2011-03-17, 04:14
load of castizos look may look white but have around 25% of amerindian DNA.

Caine
2011-03-17, 04:50
You look Spanish, with barely detectable traces of Margid evident in your zygomatics. Such admixture hardly shows in brachy/mesocephalic Caucasoids, hence why some here deny any traces of admixture. They're there, but they're very subtle. He might not raise suspicion in southern Europe.

kilometro7
2011-03-17, 05:14
sometimes it's the opposite actually

:confused: how?

Vix32
2011-03-17, 19:40
Well, He has admited that his mother has amerindian influence..., so We now know that he has amerindian blood on him and that is why his eyes look some kind of mongoloid. So, if someone has mongoloid looking eyes, is he white or not?.

Bonaoense
2011-03-17, 22:26
:confused: how?

I may be a bit biased, but sometimes hispanics who to me look pred. european with subtle but noticeable SSA/amerindian influence are classified as straight up euro/atlanto-med

Arminfrench
2011-03-17, 22:31
If you're just 1/8 or 1/16 native american it doesnt make you an indian. People with such ammount of indian heritage are considered white otherwise those small percentages influenced directly in their phenotypes which can happen.

If you're 1/8 or 1/16 indian and you look white, you're white....just like that.

Pale Blonde
2011-03-18, 01:45
If you're just 1/8 or 1/16 native american it doesnt make you an indian. People with such ammount of indian heritage are considered white otherwise those small percentages influenced directly in their phenotypes which can happen.

If you're 1/8 or 1/16 indian and you look white, you're white....just like that.

White as in having white skin, but they are not caucasian/european.

Arminfrench
2011-03-18, 05:24
White as in having white skin, but they are not caucasian/european.


Phenotipically speaking if you look white you are one.

I look european, many people takes me as a french from southfrance or for an italian or spanish however im not, I am mexican.

---------- Post added 2011-03-18 at 00:40 ----------

Here are some picts of Mexican People......Im sure if you saw some of them walking on european cities you wouldnt notice any difference...

http://fotos.miarroba.com/fotos/a/8/a88963b0.jpg

http://www.comostuvo.com/admin/Gallery/538/Thumbnails1/comoStuvo_090426111640Ob2ODSC02112.JPG

http://www.comostuvo.com/admin/Gallery/767/Thumbnails1/comoStuvo_090614054152ZvGoIMG_2065.JPG

http://fotos.canalsonora.com/2009/11/9/20091109133350_306864_1671_5976144634-5.jpg

http://fotos.miarroba.es/fo/8368/324D74ABDF244D074F74274D074F53.jpg

http://fotos.miarroba.es/fo/d959/3B4D74ABCD214D074F5F274D074F41.jpg

http://fotos.miarroba.es/fo/4f76/314D74AB7B214D074EFC264D074EEF.jpg


That's me at the center, the rest of the people are Czechs but the guy in black to the left which is mexican too.

http://oi44.tinypic.com/2e3abgm.jpg


Do we all of us look non white to you????.

We are white europide despite having been born in Mexico cause a lot of us decend from european inmigrants from Spain, France, Italy and even Germany.

mrkg666
2011-03-18, 06:07
White as in having white skin, but they are not caucasian/european.

I have seen you going arround making threads asking about if specific White people look like they have Indian blood, oviously if they are 1/8 Indian it's not notisable, if it was notisable you wouldn't go arround asking pal.

elone
2011-03-18, 07:13
you stick out considerably in that group imo..your the one in the sweater right?

mrkg666
2011-03-18, 07:34
Mestizo? jajaja you wish

and criollo you will also wish to be one

anyway how's your life as a fruit picker in california JC?

---------- Post added 2010-04-06 at 20:38 ----------

Or maybe you smtena??? the freak who likes to write essays about ANTI NATIVEAMERICANS but enjoys having babies with Nativeamerican girls????????



IRONYYYYYYYYYY
Your not the only Criollo in this forum so don't feel alone brother, there are many of us here :)

mrkg666
2011-03-18, 08:01
you stick out considerably in that group imo..your the one in the sweater right?
How does he stick out according to you?? The guy look european too. If penelope cruz or antonio banderas were in the picture, would they stick out too? They wouldn't have the same Phenotype as the Czechs so mostly likely you would be able to distinguish them and know whos not Czhech. How ever Amerinfrench doesn't look out of place in the picture, he looks just as European as anybody else in the picture.

Arminfrench
2011-03-18, 15:56
you stick out considerably in that group imo..your the one in the sweater right?

Yeah you're right, but that doesn't mean Im not white, all those fellows are Chezch, and my phenotype is southern european however all of us are white, it's just we belong to different subraces.


Maybe Paleblond is mistaking and thinks: caucasian = nordic = white.

Nordic is just a caucasian subrace there are somo other caucasian subraces too.

elone
2011-03-18, 16:04
How does he stick out according to you?? The guy look european too. If penelope cruz or antonio banderas were in the picture, would they stick out too? They wouldn't have the same Phenotype as the Czechs so mostly likely you would be able to distinguish them and know whos not Czhech. How ever Amerinfrench doesn't look out of place in the picture, he looks just as European as anybody else in the picture.

you misread.i never said he didnt look european,im saying standing next to them he doesnt fit.he could pass somewhere in like southern spain or something..

mrkg666
2011-03-18, 16:09
you misread.i never said he didnt look european,im saying standing next to them he doesnt fit.he could pass somewhere in like southern spain or something..
I guess I did misread, my apologies sir :)

Vix32
2011-03-19, 15:08
Arminfrench,

You will not pass as a southern European either. You have some strange looks (specially your eyes which look strange). Not even you couldn´t pass as a southern european (not even southern Spaniard or Italian) but you are not also "atlantid-alpinid" either. I´ve visited many times southern Spain and you will stick out. Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz are in the 5% top darkest types of Spaniards but their looks are inside the mediterranean spectrum. You have just to look at your eyes and their eyes and see the differences.

Probably you are like 90% european-10% amerindian.

mrkg666
2011-03-19, 23:31
Arminfrench,

You will not pass as a southern European either. You have some strange looks (specially your eyes which look strange). Not even you couldn´t pass as a southern european (not even southern Spaniard or Italian) but you are not also "atlantid-alpinid" either. I´ve visited many times southern Spain and you will stick out. Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz are in the 5% top darkest types of Spaniards but their looks are inside the mediterranean spectrum. You have just to look at your eyes and their eyes and see the differences.

Probably you are like 90% european-10% amerindian.
Were do you get this conclusion that Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz are in the 5% of darkest spaniards, If you did visit Spain I am sure you haven't seen every region, I have a myspace and I have a lot of spaniards on my friends list and a lot of the mediterranean type share the same skin tone color as antonio or penelupe for that matter.

And actually Penelope Cruz doesn't look dark to me to be honest, I have seen darker spaniards than antonio banderas and the ones I have seen are not gypsies or moors.

Arminfrench
2011-03-19, 23:35
Arminfrench,

You will not pass as a southern European either. You have some strange looks (specially your eyes which look strange). Not even you couldn´t pass as a southern european (not even southern Spaniard or Italian) but you are not also "atlantid-alpinid" either. I´ve visited many times southern Spain and you will stick out. Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz are in the 5% top darkest types of Spaniards but their looks are inside the mediterranean spectrum. You have just to look at your eyes and their eyes and see the differences.

Probably you are like 90% european-10% amerindian.

Mmmmm!!!! interesting....maybe that's because am actually 1/8 native american indian.


By the way Im white, my skin is not dark im what its called brunnett.


Cheers.

Memphis
2011-03-19, 23:50
He looks like someone from the Balkans. I have seen many people who look like him. Thus, southern european with a little "asian" touch.

Arminfrench
2011-03-20, 01:34
Nevertheless I would say I pass for a white southeuropean, even spaniards have told me that, I've been to Madrid and I pass unnoticed.

My chinky eyes can be treachy, many europeans with alpinid and eastbaltid heritage present chinky eyes even "chinkier" than mine.

My tone of skin, my kind of scull my features, my beard and my somatype and tallness make me pass for a southern european for sure without mattering my 1/8 native american blood.


Sergio Ramos and Rafa Nadal look much more exotic than me and they are 100% southerneuro.

Take a look at my thread and you'll see.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=14794

Tenochkatl
2011-03-20, 02:35
To be honest Arminfrench does look somewhat Amerind-influenced in the pic with the Czechs, it's mostly the rather bulging almond-shaped eyes, the flattish round nose, and the shape and sparsity of his eyebrows. Alternatively, facial alpinization and reduction often produces a similar pseudo-Mongoloid (http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-alpinid.jpg) effect as well. It could be either option or both really.

Arminfrench
2011-03-20, 04:07
As usual.....just as fast as one says he's from Mexico, inmediatly prople starts to see some supposed "native" features......

I am 1/8 indian but in the other hand most of my heritage comes from France and Spain.

Honestly I don't see the native influence in my phenotype, just very slightly in the eyes almost unnoticeable, however I've been to Rome and locals got surprised I was mexican they told me they had tought I was from Naples.

I think I look more european than Ramos, Nadal or even Javier Bardem who even has receeding
forehead and a much more flatter nose than mine...

Ohhh that beard of mine should be for mongoloid heritage too uhu????:whoco:

Debian
2011-03-20, 04:09
you look like a sami. you should contact pallantides..you would make a nice couple ..

Arminfrench
2011-03-20, 04:16
you look like a sami. you should contact pallantides..you would make a nice couple ..

A sami????? OMG!!!! I'd like to look like a sami however Im pretty far from being or look like one of them......:whoco::whoco:

Tenochkatl
2011-03-20, 05:49
As usual.....just as fast as one says he's from Mexico, inmediatly prople starts to see some supposed "native" features......

I am 1/8 indian but in the other hand most of my heritage comes from France and Spain.

Honestly I don't see the native influence in my phenotype, just very slightly in the eyes almost unnoticeable, however I've been to Rome and locals got surprised I was mexican they told me they had tought I was from Naples.

I think I look more european than Ramos, Nadal or even Javier Bardem who even has receeding
forehead and a much more flatter nose than mine...

Ohhh that beard of mine should be for mongoloid heritage too uhu????:whoco:

The Amerind influence on the eye region (not only the 'chinkiness', but also the shape of the browridge and eyebrows) is very clear in the 2nd pic, your jaw and overall mouth profile as well to a lesser extent (reminds me of a French user on Anthrocivitas who goes by 'Satyr'). Angles, lighting, facial expressions, etc. can make a huge difference in accentuating certain features. Some individuals have even more exotic features than you like it's already been pointed out. However considering the odds and circumstances at hand, chances are you inherited them through some minor admixture seeing as how features like that are still uncommon among native Europeans, you can imagine the likelihood of them arising only as a part of European variation being even lower among multi-generational New Worlders with known admixture.

The average Joe on the streets in Spain or whatever won't scrutinize your features so closely anyway, anthroforums and real life are worlds apart. I doubt they will seriously question you if you said you were a local. Most foreigners' concept of Mexicans is a bunch of brown-skinned heavily Centralid people, which you are still very far from.

Arminfrench
2011-03-20, 07:11
By the way that "nice" tag name added for some douche bag has been properly repotred to the mods.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/tags.php?tag=arminfrench+%3D+white+wanabe

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/tags.php?tag=mexi-aryans

1.5) No false rumours.

Do not spread false rumours about other members you cannot support with evidence. For example, accusing someone to be of different ancestry, sexual orientation and/or religious creed than what said member has acknowledged about himself, is a false rumour, and may lead to infractions or even ban.


2.0) No severe personal attacks, harassment and threats.

It is allowed to use personal attacks like "idiot", "dumbass", "asshole" and similar derogatory terms, when discussing, against moderators and other members. However, severe personal attacks of a very objectionable nature and excessive harassment, is not allowed. It will lead to infractions, and worst case scenario, ban. Threatening someone will immediately lead to ban.

For the sake of a serious and interesting discussion climate, try to avoid personal attacks as much as possible. No one is interested in your lame flame wars. Threads with a lot of personal attacks may be either closed or moved to the Mordor-section (which is the waste-basket for anti-intellectual threads).


And something tells me who did this was another mexican.... "The worst enemy of a mexican abroad is.....another mexican".

mrkg666
2011-03-20, 14:00
As usual.....just as fast as one says he's from Mexico, inmediatly prople starts to see some supposed "native" features......

I am 1/8 indian but in the other hand most of my heritage comes from France and Spain.

Honestly I don't see the native influence in my phenotype, just very slightly in the eyes almost unnoticeable, however I've been to Rome and locals got surprised I was mexican they told me they had tought I was from Naples.

I think I look more european than Ramos, Nadal or even Javier Bardem who even has receeding
forehead and a much more flatter nose than mine...

Ohhh that beard of mine should be for mongoloid heritage too uhu????:whoco:

You look just like the guy in the picture, and no you don't have any native influence in your phenotype. That Tenochkatl told me before that I look like I have a Margid strain on my face, when I simply don't have any visible amerindian features so how can someone classify something they can't see? I know we are all entitled to our opinions but quite honestly I myself have been classified like over 40 times and remember Skwisgaar Amerinfrench??? Hes one of the best anthropologist out there and even he couldn't notice something native on my face when he saw every angle of my face through webcam. Honestly Tenochkatl I am starting to think your Indian pride is clouding your judgment when it comes to classifying when your not even close to being Indian yourself because you look more european than your average Mestizo, you should be proud of your Spaniard ancestors who brought all the great culture and identity to Mexico. :) Like seriously I don't know what to think about Mexicans now and days, but it seems to me that they are ashamed of their european ancestry, when it was Spaniards, French and all the european immigrants who gave mexico its beatuful identity. :) :) :) :) :) ..................................................

Morderkat
2011-03-20, 17:46
you look like a sami. you should contact pallantides..you would make a nice couple ..


This is Sami!, Armiboy you do not see like sami

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Sami_woman_2005-08-25.jpg

Tenochkatl
2011-03-20, 20:52
You look just like the guy in the picture, and no you don't have any native influence in your phenotype. That Tenochkatl told me before that I look like I have a Margid strain on my face, when I simply don't have any visible amerindian features so how can someone classify something they can't see? I know we are all entitled to our opinions but quite honestly I myself have been classified like over 40 times and remember Skwisgaar Amerinfrench??? Hes one of the best anthropologist out there and even he couldn't notice something native on my face when he saw every angle of my face through webcam.

I merely assumed he was of fully Western European descent because of his flags, I did notice something exotic about his looks from the very beginning but attributed that to some form of reduction or alpinization producing pseudo-Mongoloid features. It does happen occasionaly among Europeans, like with that extreme Alpinid man I posted before and individuals like Carlos Bardem (http://www.lavozlibre.com/userfiles/2a_decada/image/FOTOS%202010/04_ABRIL%202010/14%20abril%202010/Carlos-Bardem-24913-284.jpg) and Arturo Gatti (http://stupidcelebrities.net/wp-content/artgatti.jpg), both of whom look more atypical than Arminfrench, at least IMO. There's also a Norwegian poster on here who goes by 'Pallantides', he is often the butt of jokes about Saamis and Finns because of his pseudo-Asiatic looks yet his scores on 23andme and other tests are very Northern European and he doesn't show any traces of foreign genetic admixture at all.

However, you have to take into account that such types with pseudo-Mongoloid/mestizoid features are a small minority among full Europeans of any kind and given that Arminfrench does have some minor native ancestry, the latter is the much more likely source of his slight 'chinkiness' when taking probability into account. Once again, I am not saying he could not pass for European at all, I'm sure he still fits within the spectrum of variation, even if he's more on the ‘exotic’ side.

As for your case, you do show signs of minor admixture as well, mostly on your nose tip, which seems rather bulbous, and also general vibe about your other features (not talking about the hair or the heavy metal clothing). Most people guessed you as Latin American (mostly Chilean) in your thread after all, there is a reason. I wouldn’t put too much weight on some of the typologists at Mexico Criollo either way, they seem dismiss exotic features, whether willingly or not, as ‘Berid’, ‘Alpine’, or ‘Baltid’ influence far too often when Amerindian admix is a much more likely answer. Many of them seem much too willing to embrace some features as Bardem-oid or Nadal-oid rather than as something which hits much closer to home.


Honestly Tenochkatl I am starting to think your Indian pride is clouding your judgment when it comes to classifying when your not even close to being Indian yourself because you look more european than your average Mestizo, you should be proud of your Spaniard ancestors who brought all the great culture and identity to Mexico. :) Like seriously I don't know what to think about Mexicans now and days, but it seems to me that they are ashamed of their european ancestry, when it was Spaniards, French and all the european immigrants who gave mexico its beatuful identity. :) :) :) :) :) ..................................................

I am well aware I am not Indian, I do not speak any Amerindian languages nor does anyone else in my family or any of my recent traceable ancestors at all. Heck, my paternal grandfather was one of those hundreds of Spanish bakers who settled in Mexico around the times of the civil war in Spain. Whatever ancestral ties we may have had with any specific Amerindian ethnic group(s) are lost in the sands of time. The same could be said about the majority of the modern Mexican population.

If anything, we Mexicans tend to depreciate out Amerindian heritage in favor of European influence. 'No seas indio wey', 'hay que mejorar la raza', etc., our society generally has had a very Eurocentrist spin, starting from the implementation of the caste system during the Vicerroyalty. This song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqE6DojTsRA) may be crude and all, but it speaks tons about our standards as a nation. The information on my profile is merely a rebuttal to Eurocentric attitudes such as these and those among our kind who are afflicted with off-white dilemmas.

I’m not saying we should dismiss our partial European heritage altogether or change our names to Cuauhtemoc, Cajeme, Ahuitzotl, Pakal, or anything of that sort though, don't interpret it that way. Between the extremes of the Mexica Movement (http://www.mexica-movement.org/) and national socialist "white" separatists (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/f42/) lays a balance which we should strive for as a society, respecting our different sub-national identities of course.

Btw, I suggest you read El Laberinto de la Soledad by Octavio Paz, it's a good analysis of our national character.

Vix32
2011-03-20, 21:06
So you admit you are 1/8 indian...so why do you still consider yourselves like a white, even more an atlantid/alpinid?. No one in Southern Europe has a 1/8 indian. I still tell you that I´m southern European, been tons of times in Italy and Spain and you don´t look like a local. Nothing wrong with that but it is a fact. Sergio Ramos is partially gipsy and Nadal is berid (despite his dark skin, his features are absolutely European).

A white mexican is Luis Miguel for example. O Paulina Rubio. Their features are absolutely european. That is not your case. Imagine someone with 1/8 black blood. He wouldn´t be white either.

mrkg666
2011-03-21, 00:38
So you admit you are 1/8 indian...so why do you still consider yourselves like a white, even more an atlantid/alpinid?. No one in Southern Europe has a 1/8 indian. I still tell you that I´m southern European, been tons of times in Italy and Spain and you don´t look like a local. Nothing wrong with that but it is a fact. Sergio Ramos is partially gipsy and Nadal is berid (despite his dark skin, his features are absolutely European).

A white mexican is Luis Miguel for example. O Paulina Rubio. Their features are absolutely european. That is not your case. Imagine someone with 1/8 black blood. He wouldn´t be white either.
Most white mexicans are 1/8 and I bet you didn't know that. In colonial times a Criollo(a descendant of europeans born in the americas) could be someone who is 1/8, during that time the spaniards had something called limpieza de sangre, a cleansing of blood it was their way to cleanse themselves from none caucasian blood line, so why do you think white/caucasian mexicans exist??? Do some thinking.

Right now you are saying that Luis Miguel and Paulina Rubio are white mexicans, but if I were to tell you that they both have at least 5% Indian ancestry are you seriously going tell me they are no longer white??? In this case they wouldn't be a fully blooded european but it wouldn't change the fact that they would still be premadontly white. The European mentality has always been that to be something you have to be it at a 100%, to be more specific I would say this is a Nazi ideology, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had mongloid ancestry like many europeans I have seen, and if you did would than that mean that you are no longer white???

And let me ask you a seriously question how would you know Luis Miguel is white in the first place?? Oh wait I can answer that, cause they look white/european descended!!!!!!!!

Debian
2011-03-21, 00:59
Most white mexicans are 1/8 and I bet you didn't know that. In colonial times a Criollo(a descendant of europeans born in the americas) could be someone who is 1/8, during that time the spaniards had something called limpieza de sangre, a cleansing of blood it was their way to cleanse themselves from none caucasian blood line, so why do you think white/caucasian mexicans exist??? Do some thinking.

Right now you are saying that Luis Miguel and Paulina Rubio are white mexicans, but if I were to tell you that they both have at least 5% Indian ancestry are you seriously going tell me they are no longer white??? In this case they wouldn't be a fully blooded european but it wouldn't change the fact that they would still be premadontly white. The European mentality has always been that to be something you have to be it at a 100%, to be more specific I would say this is a Nazi ideology, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had mongloid ancestry like many europeans I have seen, and if you did would than that mean that you are no longer white???

And let me ask you a seriously question how would you know Luis Miguel is white in the first place?? Oh wait I can answer that, cause they look white/european descended!!!!!!!!

Dude you've lost it completly.. You are really of those mexicans or latinos who would kille their family to be accepted as white, meanwhile their are obviusly mixed.. whats the problem with you guys? :confused::ashamed:

Arminfrench
2011-03-21, 04:59
So you admit you are 1/8 indian...so why do you still consider yourselves like a white, even more an atlantid/alpinid?. No one in Southern Europe has a 1/8 indian. I still tell you that I´m southern European, been tons of times in Italy and Spain and you don´t look like a local. Nothing wrong with that but it is a fact. Sergio Ramos is partially gipsy and Nadal is berid (despite his dark skin, his features are absolutely European).

A white mexican is Luis Miguel for example. O Paulina Rubio. Their features are absolutely european. That is not your case. Imagine someone with 1/8 black blood. He wouldn´t be white either.


So under your criteria people such as Johnny Deep, Jessica Bihel and some others aren't white cause they have some genomic indian in them regardless they look predominantly white uhu????

And guess what dumm?y... Paulina Rubio does have native admix....

http://www.pozaricacool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/PAULINA-RUBIO-Y-SU-PAPA.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho430/sites/default/files/33786/cck_images/Paulino_Rubio.jpg

This is her father and don't come up he's sort of atypical cause he's berid or shit like that...uhu??

I am white because I look predominanlty white, Im not saying I'm aryan or nordic, not at all, I'm just caucasic, white isn't synonym of being pure nordic or aryan. My definition of white is a lil' broader you know????

Take this example: Halle Berry. despite her strong caucasic influence she's seen as a black woman and she's considered a black woman...but what happens on the other side? a dude like me with an small percentage of exotic heritage, almost unnoticable is not taken as white for supremacis just as yourself who find it not desirable for the pureness of their master race????

Believe me I wished I were an indian, things would be much easier in some way..., however I'm pretty far fom being one, I've been several times to europe and I have been taken for southereuropen you like it or not dude...:p I said this becaue I have experienced it in flesh.

So my being all over saying and boasting Im an indian would be as crazy as seeing Halle Berry doing the same saying she's an anglo woman......

Debian
2011-03-21, 05:07
So under your criteria people such as Johnny Deep, Jessica Bihel and some others aren't white cause they have some genomic indian in them regardless they look predominantly white uhu????

And guess what dumm?y... Paulina Rubio does have native admix....

http://www.pozaricacool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/PAULINA-RUBIO-Y-SU-PAPA.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho430/sites/default/files/33786/cck_images/Paulino_Rubio.jpg

This is her father and don't come up he's sort of atypical cause he's berid or shit like that...uhu??

I am white because I look predominanlty white, Im not saying I'm aryan or nordic, not at all, I'm just caucasic, white isn't synonym of being pure nordic or aryan. My definition of white is a lil' broader you know????

Take this example: Halle Berry. despite her strong caucasic influence she's seen as a black woman and she's considered a black woman...but what happens on the other side? a dude like me with an small percentage of exotic heritage, almost unnoticable is not taken as white for supremacis just as yourself who find it not desirable for the pureness of their master race????

Believe me I wished I were an indian, things would be much easier in some way..., however I'm pretty far fom being one, I've been several times to europe and I have been taken for southereuropen you like it or not dude...:p I said this becaue I have experienced it in flesh.

So my being all over saying and boasting Im an indian would be as crazy as seeing Halle Berry doing the same saying she's an anglo woman......

you seem to put too much brains on this subject.. Go to a doctor.. he will probably help you a little with your OWD...

Arminfrench
2011-03-21, 05:13
Whatever........

Wasn't this forum ment to duscuss shit like this or something?????;)



I used to visit one but he kicked me the hell outta the hospital......just couldn't stand me....:p

mrkg666
2011-03-21, 13:39
Dude you've lost it completly.. You are really of those mexicans or latinos who would kille their family to be accepted as white, meanwhile their are obviusly mixed.. whats the problem with you guys? :confused::ashamed:
Both of my parents are caucasian, and I don't give a rats ass who views my family as white or not, I don't identify myself with the White label cause I don't identify myself with white americans or anglos.

You are saying my family is obviously mixed without having any evidence. When I talk and say something I have things to back up my arguments and you don't, so you look like an idiot talking out of your ass. I think the obviously mixed is your family, mixed with moorish or all the islamic people in spain that is :lol:

York
2011-03-21, 13:57
Obviously, there are some white Mexicans. Not everyone in the country is Amerindian or meztiso.

---------- Post added 2011-03-21 at 10:09 ----------


Were do you get this conclusion that Antonio Banderas and Penelope Cruz are in the 5% of darkest spaniards, If you did visit Spain I am sure you haven't seen every region, I have a myspace and I have a lot of spaniards on my friends list and a lot of the mediterranean type share the same skin tone color as antonio or penelupe for that matter.

And actually Penelope Cruz doesn't look dark to me to be honest, I have seen darker spaniards than antonio banderas and the ones I have seen are not gypsies or moors.

I've lived in Spain and travelled throughout the country. On average, Spaniards are slightly lighter that P. Cruz and a good many are quite fair. The prevalent skin tone is between fair and light olive, I'd say. Banderas is not really dark. People generally see him with heavy brownish make-up so he appears more like a Latino in some of his movies.

mrkg666
2011-03-21, 15:25
Obviously, there are some white Mexicans. Not everyone in the country is Amerindian or meztiso.

---------- Post added 2011-03-21 at 10:09 ----------



I've lived in Spain and travelled throughout the country. On average, Spaniards are slightly lighter that P. Cruz and a good many are quite fair. The prevalent skin tone is between fair and light olive, I'd say. Banderas is not really dark. People generally see him with heavy brownish make-up so he appears more like a Latino in some of his movies.
I completely agree with you and I can tell that you know what you are talking about :thumbsup:

Tenochkatl
2011-03-21, 15:26
What's with this obsession about being acknowledge as white? Mexico is not the Vicerroyalty anymore and the caste system has been dead for almost 200 years. Mexico is not the United States either, where racial differences are much more clear-cut and define your identity much more pervasively in society.

Such colonial constructs have no real use in modern Mexico anyway. Nobody IRL goes on about how Caucasoid and European they are or how they are "criollos" with only have 1/8th or 1/16h Amerind ancestry or whatever, not even that small handful of Mexicans who do look fully European without any exotic features or anything indicative of admix. This only happens on the frickin' Internet...

mrkg666
2011-03-21, 16:32
What's with this obsession about being acknowledge as white? Mexico is not the Vicerroyalty anymore and the caste system has been dead for almost 200 years. Mexico is not the United States either, where racial differences are much more clear-cut and define your identity much more pervasively in society.

Such colonial constructs have no real use in modern Mexico anyway. Nobody IRL goes on about how Caucasoid and European they are or how they are "criollos" with only have 1/8th or 1/16h Amerind ancestry or whatever, not even that small handful of Mexicans who do look fully European without any exotic features or anything indicative of admix. This only happens on the frickin' Internet...

Dude you can consider me black or asian for all I care, I clearly said on an earlier post that I don't identify myself with the white label so I really don't care who aknowledges me as white or not, racially I am caucasian and Criollo weather you like Criollos or not. All I am doing here is simply trying to get my point across, and that's what forums are for to give opinions.

I think that the only obsessed one is you, just look at your profile
Location: México-Tenochtitlán
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Race: Amerind
Meta-Ethnicity: Uto-Aztecan
Ethnicity: Mexikatl
Phenotype: Gracile Med/Pueblid
Politics: Tlahtokayotl
Beliefs: Xochiyaoyotl

You have all these Indigenous things in your profile when I am sure no real Native American would see or accept you as his own cause they themselves are surely as hell not as mixed as you are, so who is the obsessed one????

And I can tell you right now that the caste system never died, thats what you think, its still present and in fact very cult.. And of course the IRL is not going to go around telling people they are european, why would they do that? The mexican goverment just wants every to think that everybody is mestizo so people won't be like oh hey I am Indian I want my land back, and also so that people don't go around with identity problems.


Que viva el Virreynato.

Incanal
2011-03-21, 16:39
Que viva el Virreynato.

:whoco:

Tenochkatl
2011-03-21, 17:45
Dude you can consider me black or asian for all I care, I clearly said on an earlier post that I don't identify myself with the white label so I really don't care who aknowledges me as white or not, racially I am caucasian and Criollo weather you like Criollos or not. All I am doing here is simply trying to get my point across, and that's what forums are for to give opinions.

Semantics, semantics.


I think that the only obsessed one is you, just look at your profile
Location: México-Tenochtitlán
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Race: Amerind
Meta-Ethnicity: Uto-Aztecan
Ethnicity: Mexikatl
Phenotype: Gracile Med/Pueblid
Politics: Tlahtokayotl
Beliefs: Xochiyaoyotl

You have all these Indigenous things in your profile when I am sure no real Native American would see or accept you as his own cause they themselves are surely as hell not as mixed as you are, so who is the obsessed one????

If the average admixture rates for the regions of Mexico I draw my ancestry from are anything to go by then I'm most likely a bit over half European. A lot of users opinions' corrobarate that. I am well aware I am not Amerindian and do not seek to be accepted as such. I am very interested in our indigenous ethnic variation though, which I think is often neglected and depreciated even by many Mexicans themselves, hence why I often post threads about Mexican Amerindian ethnic groups and put up indigenous imagery from all over the country on my profile.

I am not actually Amerind-centrist even if my focus on indigenous peoples may give that impression to those unfamiliar with my post history. I've acknowledged Mexico's European heritage - and mine - plenty of times. I even acknowledge our small African heritage as well, many Mexicans are not even aware of its existence at all outside of the Mexican Gulf coast and Guerrero. Some people deny it vehemently.

Btw, I just found this thread from way before you joined this forum.

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=6962

Just thought I'd let you know about it.


And I can tell you right now that the caste system never died, thats what you think, its still present and in fact very cult.. And of course the IRL is not going to go around telling people they are european, why would they do that? The mexican goverment just wants every to think that everybody is mestizo so people won't be like oh hey I am Indian I want my land back, and also so that people don't go around with identity problems.


Que viva el Virreynato.

Care to elaborate on how the caste system never died? What do you mean by "very cult", that doesn't make sense neither in English nor Spanish.



:whoco:

My thoughts exactly.

mrkg666
2011-03-21, 18:25
Well I know that mexico is a very diverse place. and well Im glad that you can identify yourself with both your european and indigenous heritage Actually I can agree with everything you just said, very well put and smartly said I give you props for that.

I just looked at the old thread of mine, yep I saw them comments of people calling me a mestizo or castizo and I have seen that thread before and quite aware of it. That old thread of me brings back good memories of when I was younger.

Funny how jonboyclem called me castizo on an old thread and doesn't give the same opinion on my new and actual classification thread, Oh yeah I dude people can call me mestizo or castizo, thats what forums are for to give an opinion.

Here is another thread of me being classified, I know they are just all opinions but people in this thread gave a total complete different opinion buddy:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=14827

Vix32
2011-03-21, 18:48
Most white mexicans are 1/8 and I bet you didn't know that. In colonial times a Criollo(a descendant of europeans born in the americas) could be someone who is 1/8, during that time the spaniards had something called limpieza de sangre, a cleansing of blood it was their way to cleanse themselves from none caucasian blood line, so why do you think white/caucasian mexicans exist??? Do some thinking.

Right now you are saying that Luis Miguel and Paulina Rubio are white mexicans, but if I were to tell you that they both have at least 5% Indian ancestry are you seriously going tell me they are no longer white??? In this case they wouldn't be a fully blooded european but it wouldn't change the fact that they would still be premadontly white. The European mentality has always been that to be something you have to be it at a 100%, to be more specific I would say this is a Nazi ideology, and I wouldn't be surprised if you had mongloid ancestry like many europeans I have seen, and if you did would than that mean that you are no longer white???

And let me ask you a seriously question how would you know Luis Miguel is white in the first place?? Oh wait I can answer that, cause they look white/european descended!!!!!!!!

Luis Miguel father was Spanish, and his mother was Italian, so impossible that he has amerindian blood. His look is completely white.

---------- Post added 2011-03-21 at 18:53 ----------


So under your criteria people such as Johnny Deep, Jessica Bihel and some others aren't white cause they have some genomic indian in them regardless they look predominantly white uhu????

And guess what dumm?y... Paulina Rubio does have native admix....

http://www.pozaricacool.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/PAULINA-RUBIO-Y-SU-PAPA.jpg

http://www.intereconomia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/ancho430/sites/default/files/33786/cck_images/Paulino_Rubio.jpg

This is her father and don't come up he's sort of atypical cause he's berid or shit like that...uhu??

I am white because I look predominanlty white, Im not saying I'm aryan or nordic, not at all, I'm just caucasic, white isn't synonym of being pure nordic or aryan. My definition of white is a lil' broader you know????

Take this example: Halle Berry. despite her strong caucasic influence she's seen as a black woman and she's considered a black woman...but what happens on the other side? a dude like me with an small percentage of exotic heritage, almost unnoticable is not taken as white for supremacis just as yourself who find it not desirable for the pureness of their master race????

Believe me I wished I were an indian, things would be much easier in some way..., however I'm pretty far fom being one, I've been several times to europe and I have been taken for southereuropen you like it or not dude...:p I said this becaue I have experienced it in flesh.

So my being all over saying and boasting Im an indian would be as crazy as seeing Halle Berry doing the same saying she's an anglo woman......

The difference is that in your case you have something that look amerindian. I don´t see the same in Johny Depp for example. The reason why I say this is not because you are mexican because there are many completely white looking mexicans, it is because you have a strange look and you have admitted that you are 1/8 indian.

But, don´t worry 30% of newborns in Spain in the last years have been non-white sons of immigrants (they are the 15% of the total population of Spain but they have 25-30% of the total newborns in Spain), so in 20 years you could go to Spain and think you are a master white with all of those new ""Spaniards"".

Spain has the highest immigration percentage of all Europe (15%) and that has been done in just 10 years (other countries like France have a 12% in 50 years).

Arminfrench
2011-03-21, 19:01
Yes he's just as Pauliana is....right????

Esekon Kimatt
2011-03-21, 19:10
yep i agree, french or Prussian!

Arminfrench
2011-03-21, 19:37
Dude you can consider me black or asian for all I care, I clearly said on an earlier post that I don't identify myself with the white label so I really don't care who aknowledges me as white or not, racially I am caucasian and Criollo weather you like Criollos or not. All I am doing here is simply trying to get my point across, and that's what forums are for to give opinions.

I think that the only obsessed one is you, just look at your profile
Location: México-Tenochtitlán
Gender: Male
Age: 18
Race: Amerind
Meta-Ethnicity: Uto-Aztecan
Ethnicity: Mexikatl
Phenotype: Gracile Med/Pueblid
Politics: Tlahtokayotl
Beliefs: Xochiyaoyotl

You have all these Indigenous things in your profile when I am sure no real Native American would see or accept you as his own cause they themselves are surely as hell not as mixed as you are, so who is the obsessed one????

And I can tell you right now that the caste system never died, thats what you think, its still present and in fact very cult.. And of course the IRL is not going to go around telling people they are european, why would they do that? The mexican goverment just wants every to think that everybody is mestizo so people won't be like oh hey I am Indian I want my land back, and also so that people don't go around with identity problems.


Que viva el Virreynato.


MRKG666 Has made a good point tenoch..... you're showing yourselv as if you were an aztec indian....I wonder if indians would agree and accept you as one of them?????If aztecs existed I bet you they wouldnt, and that's for sure.

Lemme tell you something: I am also aware of our indian heritage and I embrace it and just as yourself. I used to talk a lot about our mesoamerican cultures that make us mexicans be proud of.

Once ago looking out for info about indian cultures I happened to find this site about native american cutures, I joined and soon started to participate proudly publishig loads of info about our indian heritage...and do you know what happened???? They kicked me the shit outta that place cuase "They were tired out of indian wannabes, loads of people such as myself that suddenly finding out they had a far ancestor that was supposed to be an indian they now think they are an indian too!!!!"hahahahahahahaha I was marginated from that site cause I wasn't indian enough, I even didn't look as one, they said.....

I bet you tenoch that the currently indian ethnicities that exit all over Mexico that in fact are many in numbers but just a few in individuals wouldnt accept us as members in their communities, you can take it for granted..have you ever set yourself to think that???.


The fact of the matter is that Aztec indians doesn't exist any longer they dissapeared to give place New Spain which also disspeared to gve place the modern Mexico.

These facts have made me think about our origins that in fact are closer to europe that to the ancien Aztecs not to talk about current indian ethnicities.

So being and aztec/indio lover just as you are is OK but being aware of our european heritage in blood and embrace it is not ok and the ones who think so need to see a fking a shrink????, and to the eyes of supremacist we should remain indians it doesn't matter we don't look like them and even the current indians wouldnt accept us.......

Tenoch you can use just as many aztec names and symbols in your profile as you want but if aztecs existed among us they would be mad at your using symbols and names regarding their culture and you wouldn't be accepted as one of them...however they remain quiet cause.......they are here no longer to express they opinion about the use in excess that many chicanos and mestizos do with all their remainig cultural elements, they would feel mad about such fact..........




Cheers.

Lasituacion
2011-03-21, 23:26
You look just like the guy in the picture, and no you don't have any native influence in your phenotype. That Tenochkatl told me before that I look like I have a Margid strain on my face, when I simply don't have any visible amerindian features so how can someone classify something they can't see? I know we are all entitled to our opinions but quite honestly I myself have been classified like over 40 times and remember Skwisgaar Amerinfrench??? Hes one of the best anthropologist out there and even he couldn't notice something native on my face when he saw every angle of my face through webcam. Honestly Tenochkatl I am starting to think your Indian pride is clouding your judgment when it comes to classifying when your not even close to being Indian yourself because you look more european than your average Mestizo, you should be proud of your Spaniard ancestors who brought all the great culture and identity to Mexico. :) Like seriously I don't know what to think about Mexicans now and days, but it seems to me that they are ashamed of their european ancestry, when it was Spaniards, French and all the european immigrants who gave mexico its beatuful identity. :) :) :) :) :) ..................................................

YoU Iz TrIpPiN EsE..
You have notable ameridian features.. in matter of fact you're like 50-50
You are Roberto Cobo's twin.

No disrepect.. but lets see what other people think in this chart

DickHurtz
2011-03-21, 23:44
His enlongated face (mrkg666 ) reminds me of santa's lil helper to be honest, and yeah, he indeed looks mestizo-ish.

Lasituacion
2011-03-22, 00:28
Your not the only Criollo in this forum so don't feel alone brother, there are many of us here :)

wtf? mann get some medication.

---------- Post added 2011-03-22 at 00:34 ----------

In conclusion i don't consider myself a WHITE GUY Because i know there's native blood in me.. however i look slightly whiter than the average mexican. even due some dudes consider me that i can pass as a south european, i don't talk trash about Spaniard Supremacy on the Americas

We r who we r
Anyway fuck you MrKg666

Tenochkatl
2011-03-22, 01:02
I already adressed why:

"If the average admixture rates for the regions of Mexico I draw my ancestry from are anything to go by then I'm most likely a bit over half European. A lot of users opinions' corrobarate that. I am well aware I am not Amerindian and do not seek to be accepted as such. I am very interested in our indigenous ethnic variation though, which I think is often neglected and depreciated even by many Mexicans themselves, hence why I often post threads about Mexican Amerindian ethnic groups and put up indigenous imagery from all over the country on my profile.

I am not actually Amerind-centrist even if my focus on indigenous peoples may give that impression to those unfamiliar with my post history. I've acknowledged Mexico's European heritage - and mine - plenty of times. I even acknowledge our small African heritage as well, many Mexicans are not even aware of its existence at all outside of the Mexican Gulf coast and Guerrero."

I disapprove of extremists, including hardcore Amerind-centric indigenists such as these (http://www.mexica-movement.org/).

Anyone who has seen my picture can confirm I am not Moctezuma Xocoyotzin or anything like that. :lol: Neither am I a Hernán Cortés, obviously.

I agree with much of your post though and I think our identity as 'colonials' (Spanish-speakers, Catholics, it doesn't matter whether you look like Luis García Postigo or Jorge Campos) does not lay either with the Spaniards nor with Amerindians, but rather in between (to different degrees, of course).

El mexicano está solo, como diría Octavio Paz. Ni indio ni español.

Arminfrench
2011-03-22, 02:16
I already adressed why:

"If the average admixture rates for the regions of Mexico I draw my ancestry from are anything to go by then I'm most likely a bit over half European. A lot of users opinions' corrobarate that. I am well aware I am not Amerindian and do not seek to be accepted as such. I am very interested in our indigenous ethnic variation though, which I think is often neglected and depreciated even by many Mexicans themselves, hence why I often post threads about Mexican Amerindian ethnic groups and put up indigenous imagery from all over the country on my profile.

I am not actually Amerind-centrist even if my focus on indigenous peoples may give that impression to those unfamiliar with my post history. I've acknowledged Mexico's European heritage - and mine - plenty of times. I even acknowledge our small African heritage as well, many Mexicans are not even aware of its existence at all outside of the Mexican Gulf coast and Guerrero."

I disapprove of extremists, including hardcore Amerind-centric indigenists such as these (http://www.mexica-movement.org/).

Anyone who has seen my picture can confirm I am not Moctezuma Xocoyotzin or anything like that. :lol: Neither am I a Hernán Cortés, obviously.

I agree with much of your post though and I think our identity as 'colonials' (Spanish-speakers, Catholics, it doesn't matter whether you look like Luis García Postigo or Jorge Campos) does not lay either with the Spaniards nor with Amerindians, but rather in between (to different degrees, of course).

El mexicano está solo, como diría Octavio Paz. Ni indio ni español.


That's quite true, and in fact we are seeing as indians for the rest of the world and as soon as they can they make racist attacks just as soon as they know you're mexican.

Follow this thread and you'll know what Im talking about:

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=15225

Sure we're alone.

jibarodepr
2011-03-22, 02:17
MRKG666 Has made a good point tenoch..... you're showing yourselv as if you were an aztec indian....I wonder if indians would agree and accept you as one of them?????If aztecs existed I bet you they wouldnt, and that's for sure.

Lemme tell you something: I am also aware of our indian heritage and I embrace it and just as yourself. I used to talk a lot about our mesoamerican cultures that make us mexicans be proud of.

Once ago looking out for info about indian cultures I happened to find this site about native american cutures, I joined and soon started to participate proudly publishig loads of info about our indian heritage...and do you know what happened???? They kicked me the shit outta that place cuase "They were tired out of indian wannabes, loads of people such as myself that suddenly finding out they had a far ancestor that was supposed to be an indian they now think they are an indian too!!!!"hahahahahahahaha I was marginated from that site cause I wasn't indian enough, I even didn't look as one, they said.....

I bet you tenoch that the currently indian ethnicities that exit all over Mexico that in fact are many in numbers but just a few in individuals wouldnt accept us as members in their communities, you can take it for granted..have you ever set yourself to think that???.


The fact of the matter is that Aztec indians doesn't exist any longer they dissapeared to give place New Spain which also disspeared to gve place the modern Mexico.

These facts have made me think about our origins that in fact are closer to europe that to the ancien Aztecs not to talk about current indian ethnicities.

So being and aztec/indio lover just as you are is OK but being aware of our european heritage in blood and embrace it is not ok and the ones who think so need to see a fking a shrink????, and to the eyes of supremacist we should remain indians it doesn't matter we don't look like them and even the current indians wouldnt accept us.......

Tenoch you can use just as many aztec names and symbols in your profile as you want but if aztecs existed among us they would be mad at your using symbols and names regarding their culture and you wouldn't be accepted as one of them...however they remain quiet cause.......they are here no longer to express they opinion about the use in excess that many chicanos and mestizos do with all their remainig cultural elements, they would feel mad about such fact..........




Cheers.I was also a Tainoist before but just tought that is could be lying to myself so I stick to the jibaro heritage I was raised in.

Wasn't that site indianz.com?

Arminfrench
2011-03-22, 02:28
Nope mate was americainidniantribeforum, however is now out of line.

They act pretty racist toward whites, for them I was a wannabe, a white who makes belive he's an indian.

jibarodepr
2011-03-22, 02:30
Nope mate was americainidniantribeforum, however is now out of line.

They act pretty racist toward whites, for them I was a wannabe, a white who makes belive he's an indian.lol! That site is even worse, the owner of it is a Comanche that has issues with whites, I have has long fights with him when he used to post in Indianz.com, such a liar and excuse maker.Yes, US Indians are people with issues, they are different to Latin American Indians, perhaps if you found an Mexican Indian forum, you wont have these issues.

it back as americanindiantribe.net

Tenochkatl
2011-03-22, 02:39
lol! That site is even worse, the owner of it is a Comanche that has issues with whites, I have has long fights with him when he used to post in Indianz.com, such a liar and excuse maker.Yes, US Indians are people with issues, they are different to Latin American Indians, perhaps if you found an Mexican Indian forum, you wont have these issues.

it back as americanindiantribe.net

I've seen a few online communities for Huicholes and Mayas (from which I have taken pics for my galleries), but I've never seen an actual discussion forum. Some Mexican Indians can be very weary of outsiders and quite xenophobic as well, btw.

Arminfrench
2011-03-22, 02:40
Yes his name was wanderingnative or something like that, he was the "whitest" of the indians for the way he acted, I was also harassed by an indian woman whose nick was Wolf....They have terrible issues.

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I've seen a few online communities for Huicholes and Mayas (from which I have taken pics for my galleries), but I've never seen an actual discussion forum. Some Mexican Indians can be very weary of outsiders and quite xenophobic as well, btw.

Thats what I have just explained in a couple of post above...

Real mexican indians would never accept us, As soon as they saw my picts they would never accept me as one of them.....

They would send me to see a shrink just as here someone has just said...hehehehe.

jibarodepr
2011-03-22, 02:45
Yes his name was wanderingnative or something like that, he was the "whitest" of the indians for the way he acted, I was also harassed by an indian woman whose nick was Wolf....They have terrible issues.He calls himself the Comache Nationalist lol! I even tease him with that, yes, wolf is her name, another macho woman wannabe, but don't worry, don't let their opinions mislead you, they are angry because they feel miserable and want others to feel like that too.They even fight between themselves, but alas US indians will never be truly indigenous like Latin American Indians.

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Real mexican indians would never accept us, As soon as they saw my picts they would never accept me as one of them.....

They would send me to see a shrink just as here someone has just said...hehehehe.I think Wandering Native and wolf aren't Mexican Indians or represent Mexican Indians.

Arminfrench
2011-03-22, 02:51
He calls himself the Comache Nationalist lol! I even tease him with that, yes, wolf is her name, another macho woman wannabe, but don't worry, don't let their opinions mislead you, they are angry because they feel miserable and want others to feel like that too.They even fight between themselves, but alas US indians will never be truly indigenous like Latin American Indians.


Both of them harassed me until I could stand them no longer and fight back...of course you know what happens when you have an issue with a forum admin....

I used to be as tenochkatl posting loads of Indian info, but those guys never liked me they never considered me indian enough despite all the info I gave to the forum, even a couple more of indians seemed to disagree with my being there with not nice comments.


Nope they arent mexican indians however I used to call them indian brothers cause we all are indians at the end ...they didnt agree..

jibarodepr
2011-03-22, 02:55
Both of them harassed me until I could stand them no longer and fight back...of course you know what happens when you have an issue with a forum admin....

I used to be as tenochkatl posting loads of Indian info, but those guys never liked me they never considered me indian enough despite all the info I gave to the forum, even a couple more of indians seemed to disagree with my being there with not nice comments.And you will stop being satisifed of your mexican indian heritage because of what non-mexican indians tell you, what do a Comanche or any US indian know about Latin American indigenous people, nothing!They also bickered me but I owned them good, or course as wanderin owns the site, he just banned you, that is why he left indianz, he couldn't do that, and I could make him even cry, haha!!Ignore them, US indians has no voice in Mexican indian matters.They can't even solve their issues in their communities and crying racism.

Tenochkatl
2011-03-22, 02:59
Those Native American guys sound like Stormfronters. LOL, the irony is that U.S. natives are like almost 33% European on average, almost as much as the average Mexican, who seems to be around ~40%. A few of them must quite a bit more than that.

Arminfrench
2011-03-22, 03:00
And you will stop being satisifed of your mexican indian heritage because of what non-mexican indians tell you, what do a Comanche or any US indian know about Latin American indigenous people, nothing!They also bickered me but I owned them good, or course as wanderin owns the site, he just banned you, that is why he left indianz, he couldn't do that, and I could make him even cry, haha!!Ignore them, US indians has no voice in Mexican indian matters.They can't even solve their issues in their communities and crying racism.

Yeah you're right it is just that I like a lot the american indian history and cultures so I thought being part indian myself I thought I would be recieved with joy and even more when I admire them and wanted to learn more about their cultures and at the same time show and share the mesoamerican/aridoamerican indian cultures that I know about.

I was mistaken.

jibarodepr
2011-03-22, 03:02
Yeah you're right it is just that I like a lot the american indian history and cultures so I thought being part indian myself I thought I would be recieved with joy and even more when I admire them and wanted to learn more about their cultures and at the same time show and share the mesoamerican/aridoamerican indian cultures that I know about.

I was mistaken.I did that also with my Taino culture, but we Latin American Indians will never be related to them, they are different from us, we are more traditional than them, I have never seen latin american indian gangs, like US indians have, you see them dress like cholos, or like cowboys, or rappers, they love to be everything else but themselves, they are the "lame duck"of the indigenous people of the Americas. They US Indians have issues with their own people and social issues, and it seem to get on their heads.

nolovelost
2011-03-23, 04:04
He looks like a spaniard, 100%.. He could pass as italian too or anywhere from southern europe tbh.
He does not look Spaniard or like my people, he looks like he can be from Honduras. I have seen hondurian immigrants in my country and they look a lot alike.

DickHurtz
2011-03-23, 17:37
He does not look Spaniard or like my people, he looks like he can be from Honduras. I have seen hondurian immigrants in my country and they look a lot alike.

Santa lil helper, is that you? :lol:

Lasituacion
2011-03-27, 23:31
He does not look Spaniard or like my people, he looks like he can be from Honduras. I have seen hondurian immigrants in my country and they look a lot alike.

hahahaha nice troll. anyway i guess we 're cool now

Jaslene
2011-03-28, 21:24
lol @ your avatar tenoch

Euro
2011-03-28, 23:16
Just look Spanish to me.

Debianoid.

Debian
2011-03-29, 02:21
He does not look Spaniard or like my people, he looks like he can be from Honduras. I have seen hondurian immigrants in my country and they look a lot alike.

I doubt you ever seen hondureans to begin with :whoco: