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mac
2012-02-11, 11:47
@enkidu

I knew it was Saad A. Kureishi if you wanted to know. It said on the website I got it from. Anyways, do you know his ethnic background? Is Kureishi the same as Quraishi/Qureshi?

enkidu_
2012-02-11, 11:50
@enkidu

I knew it was Saad A. Kureishi if you wanted to know. It said on the website I got it from. Anyways, do you know his ethnic background? Is Kureishi the same as Quraishi/Qureshi?

Abbotabad in fact has more 'Hindkos' (Khatri converts mainly, followed by Jatts) than proper Pashtuns, but he doesn't look Khatri, even more Jatt, so I'll say Pashtun.
About the Qureishi name, it's generally assumed as being a descendant of the prophet, something that I really doubt though.

userwithoutname
2012-02-11, 11:52
Why so much hate for West Asians?

We don't know exactly how ancient West Eurasians looked and ANI is actually a composition of different ancestries including Ancient West Asian, Mediterranean, Caucasus, Northern European, etc. components. There was never any ANI people but it's formed from groups of different West Eurasian type people.

I'm not against any notion like that. There is a significant ASI component in all South Asians including those from the North-West and even some South Central Asians.

Not hate. Just not people I generally find aesthetically pleasing. Not a fan. Also, I think theres too much racism directed towards south Asians by these ppl, and we've internalized a lot of it. I've been reading a lot of the opinions of early non-south Asian Muslims and their justification for racism against native converts. It's disgusting how religion was twisted for the purposes of justifying a hierarchy.

On a recent trip, I was going to the business class lounge at the airport in Amsterdam and the lady asked me my background when I checked in...she seemed like some sort of euro raised middle easterner, maybe north African, I told her pakistani..and she said "u don't look Pakistani at all, I thought u were Arab" like that would be a compliment or something. I was insulted. Who wants to look Arab at the airport? Lol

mac
2012-02-11, 11:56
Not hate. Just not people I generally find aesthetically pleasing. Not a fan. Also, I think theres too much racism directed towards south Asians by these ppl, and we've internalized a lot of it. I've been reading a lot of the opinions of early non-south Asian Muslims and their justification for racism against native converts. It's disgusting how religion was twisted for the purposes of justifying a hierarchy.

I meant it in a jokingly manner because I kind of realized you meant that didn't find them attractive.

Anyways, I've heard about the racism of non South Asian Muslims to South Asian Muslims but you also have Arab vs. Iranian racism. It never ends.



On a recent trip, I was going to the business class lounge at the airport in Amsterdam and the lady asked me my background when I checked in...she seemed like some sort of euro raised middle easterner, maybe north African, I told her pakistani..and she said "u don't look Pakistani at all, I thought u were Arab" like that would be a compliment or something. I was insulted. Who wants to look Arab at the airport? Lol

Is your name very Islamic? If it is, going to the airport must not be fun. Especially if people think your Arab on top of it.

userwithoutname
2012-02-11, 12:01
Is your name very Islamic? If it is, going to the airport must not be fun. Especially if people think your Arab on top of it.

I don't have a very Muslim name, it is arabic though just not common enough that a lay person would view it as such. Only a native Arab speaker would know. Actually many Arabs with my first name are maronites. I've really never had problems traveling, it helps being born in Canada I would assume.

ducktard
2012-02-11, 12:48
I meant it in a jokingly manner because I kind of realized you meant that didn't find them attractive.

Anyways, I've heard about the racism of non South Asian Muslims to South Asian Muslims but you also have Arab vs. Iranian racism. It never ends.



Is your name very Islamic? If it is, going to the airport must not be fun. Especially if people think your Arab on top of it.

My name is very Islamic, lol. I can't wait to go abroad! :D

Boring
2012-02-11, 13:35
Celebrities are NOT the best example.

An average Jatt is way darker than some of these people. If people are going to post celebrity images then its useless we all know how entertainment industry in South Asia is.

He posted Jatts mostly from UK/Canada. My skin tone gets is at least 5 shades lighter living in N. America compared to what it was growing up in India. This is all from lack of exposure to sun (specially in wintertime). Jatts and most S. Asians have a tremendous ability to tan. The people he posted are naturally going to be lighter skinned than those in India, where they are exposed to a much stronger sun.

Hridyam
2012-02-11, 13:44
They were literally absorbed by the local population. They assimilated and inter-mixed to the point of extinction as a separate ethnic group and culture.

Another nonsense, be truthful, are you really a jatt. Assimilated (literally absorbed), yet jatts carry their original name to date, what a joke. What you know about jatt ydna. (Damn this keyboard). Show me where brahmins are purer than jatts. Tell me what you say to a guy when you are really mad at him, and I will know if you really are a jatt or not, and also a jatti to those who she is bothered to much by, especially her children.

Have you read Deva Samhita. who do you think wrote it. Jatts don`t need to get browner than they already are. Jatts need to stop infanticide and stop looking for women out of their ethnic group. Explain what you really mean by assimilated, literally absorbed. You seem to be buying into too much misinformation.

---------- Post added 2012-02-11 at 06:07 ----------


Scythians were not white but West Eurasian. Also, no one really knows how ASI looked so let's not jump to conclusions. Anyways, if we're going by Harappa Ancestry Project, the majority of Jatts, Khatri, Rajput etc. ancestry is composed of ANI so most of their ancestry wouldn't be considered indigenous.


Have you looked at tarim mummies. Harappa Ancestry Project results are based on ydna or it includes mtdna also. Looks like that you are looking for some kind of acceptance by others, which is not a jatt trait at all.

Hridyam
2012-02-11, 15:15
If jatts are mixed yet still show a diversity of phenotypes then clearly no genes/traits completely disappear although their frequency may decrease at a steady state. If we just embrace our white scythian heritage ( accepting this assumption), what about our "black/brown" side, largely indigenous roots, are they not worthy of consideration? Personally I love being brown. I'm in Romania right now on a work trip and I wouldn't want to be white like some of these folks and burn under the sun, nor fairer and look like a cacha softy lol. My roots are paindu, i am not ashamed.

That is exactly what I am trying to say, enough is enough. One is always a whole, so you can`t just ignore the other part of you. But why keep on repeating the mistake made by our ancestors? There is nothing wrong with the brown color and one should be proud of oneself anyways, a paindu or not. As you said before the white skin and blue eyes are absolutely no substitute for a decent character.

pakistani
2012-02-11, 18:31
I still have doubts that ASI will be low in northern(main stream) populations, again the limited testing is to blame.

there has to be a explanation why so many people in the interior of punjab/sindh and interior north india look like her:

http://chereefranco.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/sindhi2.jpg

^ these people make the main stream population of interior sindh/punjab and interior north india and I think they are the original punjab/sindh population

Maybe jatts and others came from outside, but they also mixed with them, thats why you find many dark jatts aswell

---------- Post added 2012-02-11 at 19:00 ----------

These people are also jatts:

http://www.njpcl.com/images/IMAG0688.jpg

http://www.njpcl.com/

mac
2012-02-11, 20:22
@pakistani

We only know for sure if one if them is Jatt and that is Rizwan Bajwa. The picture doesn't point him out though. Also, please don't ruin this thread with your, phenotype has everything to do with genetics. Genetic studies are limited (perhaps that's true) and biased, etc.

pakistani
2012-02-11, 20:28
@pakistani

We only know for sure if one if them is Jatt and that is Rizwan Bajwa. The picture doesn't point him out though. Also, please don't ruin this thread with your, phenotype has everything to do with genetics. Genetic studies are limited (perhaps that's true) and biased, etc.

just visit the link below, its a all jatt team, why would non jatts place for a team that is named "jatt"

mac
2012-02-11, 20:30
just visit the link below, its a all jatt team, why would non jatts place for a team that is named "jatt"

You think I didn't visit the link? Where did you think I got the guy's name? Also, perhaps the guys are friends?

I'm not denying Jatts can get darker skinned but there is reason I request people to post people's full names.

pakistani
2012-02-11, 20:34
well it seems your in denial dude, I have seen many jatts who are also the same skin tone as team posted above, so there is no reason to think they are not jatts, espeically if the team itself is named "NJ Star Jatts"

Hridyam
2012-02-11, 20:36
I still have doubts that ASI will be low in northern(main stream) populations, again the limited testing is to blame.

there has to be a explanation why so many people in the interior of punjab/sindh and interior north india look like her:

http://chereefranco.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/sindhi2.jpg

^ these people make the main stream population of interior sindh/punjab and interior north india and I think they are the original punjab/sindh population

Maybe jatts and others came from outside, but they also mixed with them, thats why you find many dark jatts aswell

---------- Post added 2012-02-11 at 19:00 ----------

These people are also jatts:

http://www.njpcl.com/images/IMAG0688.jpg

http://www.njpcl.com/

They came as invaders and it is very likely that at least some of them didn`t have wives, so they married local women. Now why some jatts look so dark when genetically they shouldn`t is because some of those genes from those dark women for dark skin and different looks are actually dominant genes and they express themselves more often than the recessive genes for light skin etc. that jatts brought from northwest.

mac
2012-02-11, 20:40
well it seems your in denial dude, I have seen many jatts who are also the same skin tone as team posted above, so there is no reason to think they are not jatts, espeically if the team itself is named "NJ Star Jatts"


I'm not denying anything. I have no problem accepting they are Jatts but I actually prefer to know their surnames if possible. I've seen people form similar South Asian teams to this but some of the players were half white so that kind of made them unrepresentative of South Asians.

Your logic is that the team is named Jatts, so they all must clearly be Jatts. Not a very intelligent way to look at things.

mac
2012-02-11, 22:13
Harleen Sidhu - Former basketball player at the University of Nebraska

http://postmediaprovince.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/harleen-helping3.jpg

http://yntsites.com/steve/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Sidhu1.jpg

Heena Sidhu (left) - Indian air pistol shooter

http://photogallery.indiatimes.com/sports/other-sports/cwg-10-winners/photo/6736390/Heena-Sidhu-and-Annu-Raj-Singh-pose-with-their-gold-medals.jpg

Inder Sidhu - Senior Vice President of Strategy and Planning for Worldwide Operations at Cisco

http://www.doingboth.com/images/press-kit/Inder-Sidhu-AK29684.jpg

Jasmeet Sidhu - Student

http://www.weeklyvoice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/5-Young-Achiever-Jasmeet-Sidhu.jpg

Raj Sidhu - Actor, Teacher and Consultant

http://www.realplaymedia.com/RPM/images/Raj%202.jpeg

Sanjiv Sidhu - Founder of i2 Technologies

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.walletpop.com/blog/media/import/469651c3-00001-034a1-400cb8e1_8871.jpg

Sunni Sidhu - Actress from London

http://sunniesidhu.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/303049_10150984008090252_695240251_22037258_262414 772_n2.jpg

Sunny Sidhu - Real Estate Agent from Edmonton

http://therealsunnysidhu.com/siteFiles/Image/headpeg2.JPG

Void
2012-02-11, 22:29
Hey I have a question, what about this picture
http://cdn.buzznet.com/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2009/07/jaime-pressly-engaged-simran-singh.jpg
The guy on the right, do you guys know if he's a jatt?
His name is Simran Singh

pakistani
2012-02-11, 22:30
dark jatts, I can post a lot more of these dark jatts if I knew some of jatt surnames

Brig SS Jaswal
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WVIs5Sy9fdE/TKUwyqoz5jI/AAAAAAAABPQ/Ugw1GiJA_8I/s1600/Brig+SS+Jaswal(Pkl).jpg

Rasna Jaswal

http://www.rasnajaswal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/RasnaJaswal_ABOUT.jpg

Parminder nagra:

http://www.parmindernagraonline.com/USERIMAGES/AboutParminderImage.jpg

Sadeep sahota:

http://www.century21.ca/Resizer.c?Width=290&Image=/Users/pic44721.jpg&u=633825081386901613&langpref=en-CA

DJ rana:

http://sherepunjabradio.ca/english/wp-content/uploads/DJ%20Rana(3).jpg

mac
2012-02-11, 22:37
FYI, Jaswal is usually more often Rajput rather than Jatt. It can be Jatt perhaps but it's certainly not common and I haven't seen a Jatt Sikh with it before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaswal

Also, Parminder Nagra is overtanned in the picture. She's not as dark as people make her out to be.

http://www.topnews.in/files/Parminder-Nagra25.jpg

Jashanjot Boparai - Student at Depaul University

http://studentweb.cdm.depaul.edu/jboparai/images/jashanjot.jpg

Kanwar Singh Boparai - Some guy from Twitter

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1453108680/image.jpg

Manjeet Boparai - Events Manager at Beckton-based Richard House

http://www.newhamrecorder.co.uk/polopoly_fs/nrc_wk10_11_inspirational_women_s_day_1_828407!ima ge/3884060130.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_490/3884060130.jpg

pakistani
2012-02-11, 22:40
^ um no, look at this pic:

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/2/32/21/2/@/222020-parminder-nagra-637x0-2.jpg

Its clear you want to deny the obvious, when ever I will post a dark jatt you will say they are non jatt, typical attitude

mac
2012-02-11, 22:47
^ um no, look at this pic:

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/2/32/21/2/@/222020-parminder-nagra-637x0-2.jpg

Its clear you want to deny the obvious, when ever I will post a dark jatt you will they are non jatt, typical attitude

I said she's over-tanned which is common for actors/actresses in many pictures. In fact, her skin tone seems to change in almost every picture of her on google. Never said she's not Jatt and Jattis can fairly often look like her.

What must you always make a fool out of yourself and deny the obvious. If you can't behave and resort to insults towards my attitude, please leave.

Here are other pictures of her:

http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-276142/parminder-nagra.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Parminder%20Nagra-9.jpg

http://www.celebs101.com/gallery/Parminder_Nagra/88496/parminder_nagra_photo_50.jpg

http://www.bollygallery.com/d/124426-1/Parminder+Nagra_022.jpg

userwithoutname
2012-02-11, 22:48
^ um no, look at this pic:

http://static1.purepeople.com/articles/2/32/21/2/@/222020-parminder-nagra-637x0-2.jpg

Its clear you want to deny the obvious, when ever I will post a dark jatt you will they are non jatt, typical attitude


What does over tanned mean? Lol

It means she doesn't bleach and actually goes outside without fear of being admonished for being too dark.

Chocolate Brown jatts rule.

pakistani
2012-02-11, 22:51
I said she's over-tanned which is common for actors/actresses in many pictures. Never said she's not Jatt and Jattis can fairly often look like her.

What must you always make a fool out of yourself and deny the obvious. If you can't behave and resort to insults towards my attitude, please leave.

I think you are the one making a fool out of yourself by posting mostly fairskinned jatts here, it's very obvious

mac
2012-02-11, 22:52
What does over tanned mean? Lol

It means she doesn't bleach and actually goes outside without fear of being admonished for being too dark.

Chocolate Brown jatts rule.

Exactly. That's not even her natural skin tone but she does't mind tanning to a medium-dark brown.

I love Jatt and Punjabi girls with nice facial features who can tan to a medium/dark brown.

---------- Post added 2012-02-11 at 14:53 ----------


I think you are the one making a fool out of yourself by posting mostly fairskinned jatts here, it's very obvious

It's just you saying that prick. Userwithoutname said I posted above average looking ones and Dragoslav said westernized looking ones.

If you had an issue, you should have brought it up earlier but you didn't until you saw me commentating that Iranians can only individually pass for Euros. Then you brought it up.

Dine
2012-02-11, 22:58
I said she's over-tanned which is common for actors/actresses in many pictures. In fact, her skin tone seems to change in almost every picture of her on google. Never said she's not Jatt and Jattis can fairly often look like her.

What must you always make a fool out of yourself and deny the obvious. If you can't behave and resort to insults towards my attitude, please leave.

Here are other pictures of her:

http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-276142/parminder-nagra.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Parminder%20Nagra-9.jpg

http://www.celebs101.com/gallery/Parminder_Nagra/88496/parminder_nagra_photo_50.jpg

http://www.bollygallery.com/d/124426-1/Parminder+Nagra_022.jpg

she looks better without makeup:confused:

mac
2012-02-11, 22:59
she looks better without makeup:confused:

I think she looks best in the last picture with very little makeup but it seems that's still wearing some.

Anyways, pakistani, post pictures of Jatts if you want but don't ruin this thread.

userwithoutname
2012-02-11, 23:04
It's wrong to call it over-tanning. It's likely not even intentional tanning. It's the natural result of even moderate exposure to the sun. But since it's such a no-no in South Asian culture for women to be dark, many are told from an early age to not any time out in the sun, many also get treatments to appear whiter (such as bleaching). Parminder is a shade darker than most of the Punjabi bollywood types, even without a tan.

Anyway, there are tons of "naturally" darker people in Punjab, a lot darker than Parminder. Whether normative or not among the great Jatts, can't really say, but I see about 25-50-25 split into three categories (light brown, medium brown and dark brown) in my extended family.

As for Iranians, very few look like them. Skin colour is the biggest difference. They are usually near white, whereas most Punjabis, are most definitely brown. Many Iranians can "pass" in western societies, whereas I don't think that many Punjabis can...which is great, who wants to pass as a gora?

I don't know what the big fuss is about. Oh I do know what it's about (latent colourism), but I think it's ridiculous.

pakistani
2012-02-11, 23:07
Arvinder Grewal:

http://www.counsellingbc.com/files/arvinder_grewal.jpg

Manjeeven Grewal
http://unitedagents.co.uk/sites/default/files/Manjeevan-Grewal.jpg

Shiv Grewal:

http://ccr.cancer.gov/staff/images/3684_Grewal.gif

Sukhpreet Singh Grewal
http://yespunjab.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/sukhpreet-grewal.jpg

mac
2012-02-11, 23:10
It's wrong to call it over-tanning. It's likely not even intentional tanning. It's the natural result of even moderate exposure to the sun. But since it's such a no-no in South Asian culture for women to be dark, many are told from an early age to not any time out in the sun, many also get treatments to appear whiter (such as bleaching). Parminder is a shade darker than most of the Punjabi bollywood types, even without a tan.

Anyway, there are tons of "naturally" darker people in Punjab, a lot darker than Parminder. Whether normative or not among the great Jatts, can't really say, but I see about 25-50-25 split into three categories (light brown, medium brown and dark brown) in my extended family.

I don't know what the big fuss is about.

Well, I guess your right. I just meant to emphasized she is a bit tan or at least moreso than her natural skinton which is probably a medium brown. Also, why do you have to go and say great Jatts? I never implied there is something special about being Jatt. It's just who I am and sort of likes and others tribe within Punjabis. I speak broken Punjabi and not broken Jatt.

I'm not sure if she's just a shade darker than the Bollywood types. Most of them are pretty fair without a tan like Twinkle Khanna (half Guju), Neha Dhupia, Neeru Bajwa, Poonam Dhllon, Minissha Lamba, the Kapoor sisters (half Sindhi), Anushka Sharma, Preity Zinta (Himachali Rajput but likely close to Punjabi Rajputs), etc.

asingh
2012-02-12, 06:06
Of course Jatts can be dark, not really sure why people think they cannot; and no one is trying to refute the same. It is quite lame and pointless arguing that they cannot be dark. Would call it trolling.

meranaam
2012-02-12, 06:11
I said she's over-tanned which is common for actors/actresses in many pictures. In fact, her skin tone seems to change in almost every picture of her on google. Never said she's not Jatt and Jattis can fairly often look like her.

What must you always make a fool out of yourself and deny the obvious. If you can't behave and resort to insults towards my attitude, please leave.

Here are other pictures of her:

http://images.zap2it.com/images/celeb-276142/parminder-nagra.jpg

http://images.starpulse.com/Photos/pv/Parminder%20Nagra-9.jpg

http://www.celebs101.com/gallery/Parminder_Nagra/88496/parminder_nagra_photo_50.jpg

http://www.bollygallery.com/d/124426-1/Parminder+Nagra_022.jpg

Parminder Nagra looks Araboid.

---------- Post added 2012-02-12 at 14:13 ----------

I think shes mainly IndoBrachid, slightly Gracile Indid and with Arabid influence.

Theres a slight hook to her nose in the 2nd picture, semetic smile in the 3rd and persian eyebrows/eyes in the 4th. Her face is also assymetrical.

asingh
2012-02-12, 06:18
^^
True, she has a slight hook, which is typical of Arabid influence.

meranaam
2012-02-12, 06:22
What does over tanned mean? Lol

It means she doesn't bleach and actually goes outside without fear of being admonished for being too dark.

Chocolate Brown jatts rule.

her skin isnt chocolate brown. there is a kind of bronzish/reddishness to her skin. dont be a fucking faggot and call her stuff she isnt.

---------- Post added 2012-02-12 at 14:32 ----------

there is no chocolate hue to Parminder's skin. anyone who gives the description "chocolate" to Indian skin must be a retard because truly only Negroid have that texture to their skin. Negroids are the who truly have that. When the lighter the colour of their skin, owing to European heritage, their milkier the chocolate.

this is like chocolate drink with strong milk

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/NBC+IMG+Saks+Fifth+Avenue+Celebrates+Lipstick+9fen edk5MG9l.jpg

this is like soaked in gutter
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/59th%2BAnnual%2BCannes%2BFilm%2BFestival%2BAishwar ya%2BCjEyXXeGgAAl.jpg

http://hinvi.com/uploads/images/13838-Aishwarya-Rai.jpg

^ has a disgusting grey-green undertone to it

note tawny cypress has no make-up but the ugly one does

mac
2012-02-12, 06:41
Asa Singh Johal - Sikh immigrant to Canada

http://www.darpanmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/AsaJohal.jpg

Baldev Johal - Associate superintendent for Business Services for El Dorado Union High School District in California

http://www.villagelife.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/image002-300x399.jpg

Gary Johal - Goalie from Amateur hockey team Abbotsfordpilots

http://www.abbotsfordpilots.com/Portals/0/2007-2008-players/30-gary-johal.jpg

Harry Johal - Part of Financial Staff at GM dealership in Prince George, BC

https://pictures.dealer.com/w/woodwheatontc/1311/95a3e94240463872006cffbbc5fb1dce.jpg

Jagdeep Johal - Licensed Acupuncturist from Calgary, Alberta

http://johalhealth.squarespace.com/storage/IMG_1046.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1265231610 525

Jas Johal - Reporter for Global BC (picture is take in Afghanistan)

http://journalismethics.info/images/johal.jpg

Jasmin Johal - Trainee Solicitor from UK

http://www.birketts.co.uk/images/people/J_Johal.jpg

Jasmine Johal - Some girl from Twitter

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1697524753/IMG_0898.JPG[/gim]

Monique Johal - Some girl from Twitter (from Brampton)

[img]http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1784370633/301605_10150351494715020_712640019_10118736_778081 4_n.jpg

Navi Johal - College Student from CUNY BA

http://cunyba.gc.cuny.edu/files/Navi-Johal-300x224.jpg

Pam K. Johl (and her friends/cousins) - Some girl from Twitter

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1761577811/399348_10150546369371690_501536689_11285093_961804 387_n.jpg

Pawan Johal - Real Estate agent from Brampton

http://www.century21.ca/Resizer.c?Width=290&Image=/Users/pic53454.jpg&u=634479066903865450&langpref=en-CA

Raj Johal - Lawyer from Brampton

http://www.peellawchambers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/kh2_5314.jpg

Raju Johal - Bhangra pop-star from Vancouver

http://arianecdesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Raju-Johal.jpg

Raman Johal - Student from University of Guelph

http://www.uoguelph.ca/registrar/graduatestudies/images/profiles/students/raman_johal_590w.jpg

Sharin Johal - Some girl from Twitter (from London, UK)



Sukhi Johal - Some women from Twitter

[img]http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1696577574/384925_724619319984_7305610_36449533_911523614_n.j pg


Amandeep Sandhu - Assistant Professor at Temple University

http://www.temple.edu/sociology/sandhu/images/sandhu.jpg

Emir S. Sandhu - Student from University of North Carolina

http://www.unc.edu/news/pics/students/morehead/2005/OutofState/sandhu_emir.JPG

Gia Sandhu

http://oi39.tinypic.com/200bp5j.jpg

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Gia+Sandhu+TIFF+Rising+Stars+Party+2011+Toronto+u0 OrIis1QWul.jpg

Guppy Sandhu - Actor from UK

http://static.whatsontv.co.uk/images/0718_153854_CASUALTY_GuppySandhu.jpg

http://www.holby.tv/community/uploads/gallery/gallery_78_236_1108336090.jpg

Jasbir Sandhu - New Democrat MP from Surrey

http://www.thenownewspaper.com/6064186.bin

Kernjeet Sandhu - Canadian Model

http://www.jurgita.com/images_new/models/F/portfolio-fashion/w422xh450/kernjeet-sandhu-184273-131914.jpg

Mannu Sandhu - Canadian model from Vancouver

http://www.talentwatchers.ca/member_images/1227816894_pic12.jpg

http://www.footstepsintogangland.com/wp-content/uploads/Sandhu_Mannu_webversion.jpg

Meena Sandhu - Some girl from Vancouver who is Marketing Manager@INGDIRECT

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1444841325/meena.jpg

Paramdeep Sandhu - SP from India

http://www.clikndpik.com/ias/216Paramdeep_Sandhu-SP.jpg

Parma Sandhu - London Police’s Chief Inspector

http://www.nriinternet.com/NRI_police/UK/A_Z/S/Parm_Sandhu/ParmSandhu1.jpg

Prableen Sandhu - Indian actress

http://www.india-forums.com/tellybuzz/images/uploads/67F_prabhleen.jpg

http://img.india-forums.com/images/600x0/36937-prabhleen-sandhu.jpg

Puneeta Sandhu - Project Coordinator for Small Business Solutions

http://www.profileedmonton.com/content/uploads/2009/10/Puneeta-Sandhu4.jpg

http://www.profileedmonton.com/content/uploads/2009/10/Puneeta-Sandhu3.jpg

Resham Sandhu

http://www.mccd.edu/advancement/press/2009/downloads/2009_Resham_Sandhu.jpg

Shiraz Sandhu - Some girl from Twitter

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1276363563/shiraz_sandhu.jpg

meranaam
2012-02-12, 06:44
Parbleen Sandhu, is highly harmonious and mostly NordIndid.

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Emir S Sandhu? Emirates. Emir-E-Mumineen...

ducktard
2012-02-12, 07:15
Which Bollywood actors/actresses are Jatts?

mac
2012-02-12, 07:46
I have to re-post some pictures as I messed up the and I can no longer edit them.

Jasmine Johal - Some girl from Twitter

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1697524753/IMG_0898.JPG

Jasmyn Johal (and her cousin/friend but both look rather similar) - Some girl from Twitter

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1619659945/simi.jpg

Sharin Johal - Some girl from Twitter (from London, UK)

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1761730398/293399_10150312907589763_514684762_7801529_3711276 89_n.jpg

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1728850214/image.jpg

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Parbleen Sandhu, is highly harmonious and mostly NordIndid.

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Emir S Sandhu? Emirates. Emir-E-Mumineen...


I agree. She is very harmonious but too old fashion looking for me.

In regards to Emir S Sandhu, I'm not sure. Are you implying he looks Arab? His middle name has the initial S. so I would assume he's Punjabi Jatt and Sikh.

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Which Bollywood actors/actresses are Jatts?

There is some but most of them are not well known or are small-time actors. A few though are Mohit Ahlawat, Abhay Deol, Dharmendra Singh Deol and his sons Sunny/Bobby Deol, Poonam Dhillon, Simi Garewal, Mahi Gil, Minissha Lamba, Kulraj Randhawa, Nandish Sandhu, Jimmy Shergill and Mallika Sherawat.

ducktard
2012-02-12, 08:00
And his ''songs''? :P

userwithoutname
2012-02-12, 08:02
her skin isnt chocolate brown. there is a kind of bronzish/reddishness to her skin. dont be a fucking faggot and call her stuff she isnt.

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there is no chocolate hue to Parminder's skin. anyone who gives the description "chocolate" to Indian skin must be a retard because truly only Negroid have that texture to their skin. Negroids are the who truly have that. When the lighter the colour of their skin, owing to European heritage, their milkier the chocolate.

this is like chocolate drink with strong milk

note tawny cypress has no make-up but the ugly one does

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read. There's no scientific definition of "chocolate brown" skin and I clearly wasn't going for any strict definition and discussing undertones, so what's the point of this response, other than to troll?

Anybody who uses terms like Negroid in this day and age is a "retard."

mac
2012-02-12, 08:02
And his ''songs''? :P

I meant sons but forgot to edit it.

RobbieS
2012-02-12, 09:51
I can simply tell from what you write that you have nothing to do with jatts. No jatt talks nonsense like you do.

Lol. ok..!

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I honestly think Parminder Nagra exhibits one of the darker skintones for a Jatti. That tone is often found in guys but a girl is usually lighter.

asingh
2012-02-12, 11:32
Lol. ok..!

He he..........OK. :)

ducktard
2012-02-12, 11:34
What's the difference between a Jatt, Khatri and Rajput? And how are Harijan Sikhs treated?

asingh
2012-02-12, 11:41
What's the difference between a Jatt, Khatri and Rajput? And how are Harijan Sikhs treated?

Phenotype wise, there is jack difference.

enkidu_
2012-02-12, 11:45
Phenotype wise, there is jack difference.

Don't you think that there's no such big difference between Jatts and Rajputs ? I mean, they share a lot of clan/tribe names, and there are some (controversial) theories that say that Jatts are just Rajputs who, for some mythological reason (I think they betrayed Brahmins ?), were no more Kshatriyas/warrior clan...

But I agree that Khatris look very different though.

mac
2012-02-12, 11:52
Don't you think that there's no such big difference between Jatts and Rajputs ? I mean, they share a lot of clan/tribe names, and there are some (controversial) theories that say that Jatts are just Rajputs who, for some mythological reason (I think they betrayed Brahmins ?), were no more Kshatriyas/warrior clan...

But I agree that Khatris look very different though.


Really? Honestly, I've never seen a Punjabi Rajput in person but I'm met tons of Punjabi Khatris and they honestly don't look that much different from Jatts in my opinion. Just often a bit shorter and sometimes the guys are lighter.

In regards to Harijan Sikhs, I've never met one but apparently Ajay Devgan is one.

RobbieS
2012-02-12, 11:53
Don't you think that there's no such big difference between Jatts and Rajputs ? I mean, they share a lot of clan/tribe names, and there are some (controversial) theories that say that Jatts are just Rajputs who, for some mythological reason (I think they betrayed Brahmins ?), were no more Kshatriyas/warrior clan...

But I agree that Khatris look very different though.

Looks wise, Jatts are pretty similar to Rajputs. The fact that some clan names like Bhatti and Chauhan are found in both groups points to common origins and inter-mixing.

Khatris do look different. Most times I can easily distinguish between a Khatri Sikh and a Jatt Sikh. Apart from the facial features, the turban style, the demeanor is totally different.

About Harijan Sikhs - the very fact that there is a term called Harijan Sikhs points towards the failure of Sikhism in unifying Punjabis beyond tribal groups. If Sikhs had followed Sikhsim to the core, such a term would have never existed. Punjab comprises the highest percentage of Dalits in India, about 30%. But the number dont help them. Economically, politically and socially they are one of the most backward and marginalized group in the state. I am talking in a relative sense here. Of course they will be much better off economically than Dalits in say UP. But Chamar and Majhabi Sikhs, who constitute most of the Dalit Sikhs often live in their own sections of the village and have their own Gurudwara. This marginalization is also the reason why breakaway, renegade factions like Dera Sacha Sauda and Noormahalis have gained devotees. When the so called 'thekedars' of Sikhism deserted them, the sort of formed their own sect, breaking away from the mainstream community.

asingh
2012-02-12, 11:53
Don't you think that there's no such big difference between Jatts and Rajputs ? I mean, they share a lot of clan/tribe names, and there are some (controversial) theories that say that Jatts are just Rajputs who, for some mythological reason (I think they betrayed Brahmins ?), were no more Kshatriyas/warrior clan...

But I agree that Khatris look very different though.

Sounds fine.
As I mentioned, phenotype wise no can tell them apart. As per "caste" theology, yes, but no point putting that here. :)

enkidu_
2012-02-12, 11:57
Really? Honestly, I've never seen a Punjabi Rajput in person but I'm met tons of Punjabi Khatris and they honestly don't look that much different from Jatts in my opinion. Just often a bit shorter and sometimes the guys are lighter.

In regards to Harijan Sikhs, I've never met one but apparently Ajay Devgan is one.

I am a Punjabi Rajput. :p
But I think that all - or the really big majority of - Punjabi Rajput are nowadays Muslims (only talking of Punjabi Rajputs ; Rajputs from other states are still Hindus.)

I would have thought that Khatris would indeed have been fairer than Jatts, but also different in facial features, as RobbieS suggests.
The Kapoors of Bollywood are Khatris for instance:

http://static.binscorner.com/r/rate-photos-of-kapoor-family/part-011.jpeg

RobbieS
2012-02-12, 12:08
Maybe things are mixed in the west. But in India, even if the facial features of a Khatri and Jatt seem similar, there would still be minor differences that will give it away. These differences arise probably due to different upbringing and background. At the risk of being proclaimed a "Clan fan" I would say a Jatt will always walk with a hint of pride. His gaze will be piercing and he will carry a sort of a "I am a lord" demeanor even if he owes the bank millions!

Void
2012-02-12, 12:11
Off topic here but I have a friend and her surname is Gondal, she's Pakistani Punjabi, is that a jatt clan?

userwithoutname
2012-02-12, 12:17
I think it's hard to distinguish between most punjabi groups. Too much variation and overlap. I doubt all jatts even have a common heritage or for that matter all rajputs. It just seems like an amalgamation of people. Some tribes that even have the same name but inhabit different regions may not even be the same tribe. That's an assumption but without any other connection, just having a name in common seems rather flimsy.

enkidu_
2012-02-12, 12:17
Maybe things are mixed in the west. But in India, even if the facial features of a Khatri and Jatt seem similar, there would still be minor differences that will give it away. These differences arise probably due to different upbringing and background. At the risk of being proclaimed a "Clan fan" I would say a Jatt will always walk with a hint of pride. His gaze will be piercing and he will carry a sort of a "I am a lord" demeanor even if he owes the bank millions!

:lol: Yes, there's some pride in Jatts.

Also, then you have Khatris like Manmohan Singh, who doesn't look different from the regular Punjabi (Jatt or not) either:

http://www.indiatalkies.com/images/manmohan-singh482681.jpg

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I think it's hard to distinguish between most punjabi groups. Too much variation and overlap. I doubt all jatts even have a common heritage or for that matter all rajputs. It just seems like an amalgamation of people. Some tribes that even have the same name but inhabit different regions may not even be the same tribe. That's an assumption but without any other connection, just having a name in common seems rather flimsy.

Actually, going by some theories, that's true for Pashtuns too (being a 'confederacy' of different clans, who may even have different ethnic origins.)
For instance, I've been mainly interested in Rajputs, and I can say that Rajputs from Punjab and Rajputs from Rajasthan look quite different...

RobbieS
2012-02-12, 12:24
:lol: Yes, there's some pride in Jatts.

Also, then you have Khatris like Manmohan Singh, who doesn't look different from the regular Punjabi (Jatt or not) either:

http://www.indiatalkies.com/images/manmohan-singh482681.jpg



But compare him to another old turbaned guy. :)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRS4E4IGmhDmpPVGPG_eF9B3FEPgzCKw UlGs-XQaLQKjseWmBlNAQ

asingh
2012-02-12, 12:40
^^
The 2nd guy is one BA/MOFO.....!

RobbieS
2012-02-12, 12:42
^^
The 2nd guy is one BA/MOFO.....!

That he is.

enkidu_
2012-02-12, 12:44
But compare him to another old turbaned guy. :)

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRS4E4IGmhDmpPVGPG_eF9B3FEPgzCKw UlGs-XQaLQKjseWmBlNAQ

Looks as badass as my grandfather, expected from a Rajput army captain. :lol:

ducktard
2012-02-12, 14:31
I meant cultural differences rather than phenotypical differences. And, lol, their social status(in the past and present).

Boring
2012-02-12, 15:23
I am HRP 131 on Harrappa Ancestry project. Here are couple of fuzzy pictures

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Tigr_boy1/P.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v106/Tigr_boy1/Picture13.jpg

userwithoutname
2012-02-12, 16:33
I meant cultural differences rather than phenotypical differences. And, lol, their social status(in the past and present).

It is well known that Khatris must walk upside down and backwards while in the presence of Jatts, who in their presence must stand tall, even doubling up for good measure

evidence:

http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/30708.jpg

:P

meranaam
2012-02-12, 16:41
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzHCgL5Gt

ducktard
2012-02-12, 16:49
It is well known that Khatris must walk upside down and backwards while in the presence of Jatts, who in their presence must stand tall, even doubling up for good measure

evidence:

http://www.demotix.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/large_610x456_scaled/photos/30708.jpg

:P

OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I get it. No wonder why Jatts are the tallest.

enkidu_
2012-02-12, 16:52
I meant cultural differences rather than phenotypical differences. And, lol, their social status(in the past and present).

Well, culturally it's based by region : a Punjabi Rajput has logically more in common (language, food, ...) with a Punjabi Jatt than, say, a Rajasthani Rajput.
And in the modern world, generally, we don't stick to our 'traditional' tasks, like all Rajputs are not in the Army (though not the case with my family :lol:) and all Jatts are not cultivating potatoes in their pind - in fact, where I come from, the Jatts are even landowners (zamindar) or socially better than some other castes, which would have been impossible centuries back I think.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAzHCgL5Gt

Thought the same, but a bit too fast for me.

asingh
2012-02-12, 17:20
Well, culturally it's based by region : a Punjabi Rajput has logically more in common (language, food, ...) with a Punjabi Jatt than, say, a Rajasthani Rajput.
And in the modern world, generally, we don't stick to our 'traditional' tasks, like all Rajputs are not in the Army (though not the case with my family :lol:) and all Jatts are not cultivating potatoes in their pind - in fact, where I come from, the Jatts are even landowners (zamindar) or socially better than some other castes, which would have been impossible centuries back I think.

True, as times are changing and the country undergoes modernization the slotted tasks/jobs of the castes vis a vis Jatts' and Kattris' is slowly diminishing and each in their own respect; can be found in all walks of life. I have Jatts / Kattris' and Rajputs in my office. My landlord is a Khattri [though work for the Central Government], and one of my best friends at office is matter of fact a Sikh Jath. :) As the government is urbanizing the rural plains a lot of Jatts are selling their fields and utilizing the money for business or foreign education of their children. Rajputs are slowly moving away (or times are doing this) from the traditional spectrum of owning the land and taking earnings from the tillers. Also there has been natural annexation where Rajputs had to give up ancestral free-hold on cultivable land back to the farmers. On the flip-side Rajputs still are owners of villages in say deep pockets of UP and are adhered by the citizens where they are wished each time seen; and the caste system is prevalent. Change is happening; but not over night.

Edit....
The traditional village set up used to be:

1. Inner circle -- temples and the Brahmin community.
2. Border of inner circle/and some times inside : Rajputs and land owners.
3. Outer circle : Vaishyas.
4. Perimeter of villages : Sudras.
5. Outside the village, but permitted to come and offer services for payment : Dalits.

(5) could never ever enter (1).

RobbieS
2012-02-12, 17:41
I meant cultural differences rather than phenotypical differences. And, lol, their social status(in the past and present).

Well culturally, Khatris are more urban than Jatts and Rajputs and this would be true across regions. Urbanization levels in Jatts and Rajputs would depend on the region. Out of the three, Jatts would be the most closely linked to land - agricultural or allied professions. Even now in Punjab, every Jatt can trace his relatives to a village. Ask a Jatt about his Pind and he'd know at least its name and would have been there once. This is almost never the case for a Khatri. Their links with the countryside were broken long time ago.

newtoboard
2012-02-12, 17:49
I think you are the one making a fool out of yourself by posting mostly fairskinned jatts here, it's very obvious

You have made a fool of yourself on every thread you have posted in.

You know nothing about anything besides phenotype and skin pigmentation this and that.

You post about South Asians more than any South Asian on here. How sad is that?

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I am a Punjabi Rajput. :p
But I think that all - or the really big majority of - Punjabi Rajput are nowadays Muslims (only talking of Punjabi Rajputs ; Rajputs from other states are still Hindus.)

I would have thought that Khatris would indeed have been fairer than Jatts, but also different in facial features, as RobbieS suggests.
The Kapoors of Bollywood are Khatris for instance:

http://static.binscorner.com/r/rate-photos-of-kapoor-family/part-011.jpeg

They do look different. Wonder why that is though?

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^^
The 2nd guy is one BA/MOFO.....!


Who is he?

asingh
2012-02-12, 18:05
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanwar_Pal_Singh_Gill

Hridyam
2012-02-12, 23:20
True, as times are changing and the country undergoes modernization the slotted tasks/jobs of the castes vis a vis Jatts' and Kattris' is slowly diminishing and each in their own respect; can be found in all walks of life. I have Jatts / Kattris' and Rajputs in my office. My landlord is a Khattri [though work for the Central Government], and one of my best friends at office is matter of fact a Sikh Jath. :) As the government is urbanizing the rural plains a lot of Jatts are selling their fields and utilizing the money for business or foreign education of their children. Rajputs are slowly moving away (or times are doing this) from the traditional spectrum of owning the land and taking earnings from the tillers. Also there has been natural annexation where Rajputs had to give up ancestral free-hold on cultivable land back to the farmers. On the flip-side Rajputs still are owners of villages in say deep pockets of UP and are adhered by the citizens where they are wished each time seen; and the caste system is prevalent. Change is happening; but not over night.

Edit....
The traditional village set up used to be:

1. Inner circle -- temples and the Brahmin community.
2. Border of inner circle/and some times inside : Rajputs and land owners.
3. Outer circle : Vaishyas.
4. Perimeter of villages : Sudras.
5. Outside the village, but permitted to come and offer services for payment : Dalits.

(5) could never ever enter (1).

In my village brahmins are pinned between the jatts and carpenters+kahars and dalits outside of the village.

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Well, culturally it's based by region : a Punjabi Rajput has logically more in common (language, food, ...) with a Punjabi Jatt than, say, a Rajasthani Rajput.
And in the modern world, generally, we don't stick to our 'traditional' tasks, like all Rajputs are not in the Army (though not the case with my family :lol:) and all Jatts are not cultivating potatoes in their pind - in fact, where I come from, the Jatts are even landowners (zamindar) or socially better than some other castes, which would have been impossible centuries back I think.



Thought the same, but a bit too fast for me.

May be true from 7th century to 17th century only.

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You have made a fool of yourself on every thread you have posted in.

You know nothing about anything besides phenotype and skin pigmentation this and that.

You post about South Asians more than any South Asian on here. How sad is that?

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They do look different. Wonder why that is though?

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Who is he?

Kapoor family is from peshawer originally.

mac
2012-02-13, 00:11
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Kapoor family is from peshawer originally.

So? It's not like they're part Pashtun. They're Hindu and some of the family is part Sindhi.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 01:57
kapoor family are hindko I believe, there is no such thing as a hindu pashtun, never heard of one

mac
2012-02-13, 02:09
kapoor family are hindko I believe, there is no such thing as a hindu pashtun, never heard of one

Kapoor is a very common Khatri surname. I'm not sure if they are Hindko or not but they're definitely Punjabi.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 02:17
^ how can you be sure if they are punjabies? in fact i saw a interview of one of them and he said they were (pathans) which basically means they are either hindko or pashtuns, because punjabis never call themselves pathans

since there are no hindu pashtuns to my knowledge, the most likely candidate are hindko because hindkos in peshawar call themselves pathans

mac
2012-02-13, 02:36
^ how can you be sure if they are punjabies? in fact i saw a interview of one of them and he said they were (pathans) which basically means they are either hindko or pashtuns, because punjabis never call themselves pathans

since there are no hindu pashtuns to my knowledge, the most likely candidate are hindko because hindkos in peshawar call themselves pathans

Kapoor is a Khatri Punjabi surname. There is no refuting this. Do all the research you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapoor

asingh
2012-02-13, 03:02
In my village brahmins are pinned between the jatts and carpenters+kahars and dalits outside of the village.
Okay. That is interesting to know. Thanks.


kapoor family are hindko I believe, there is no such thing as a hindu pashtun, never heard of one
Keep believing in your mythical thoughts.


Kapoor is a very common Khatri surname. I'm not sure if they are Hindko or not but they're definitely Punjabi.
Why you arguing with a retard. Just carry on with your thread.


^ how can you be sure if they are punjabies? in fact i saw a interview of one of them and he said they were (pathans) which basically means they are either hindko or pashtuns, because punjabis never call themselves pathans

since there are no hindu pashtuns to my knowledge, the most likely candidate are hindko because hindkos in peshawar call themselves pathans
True, no one can be sure of any ones ethnicity in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. Better we do not argue about that --- and focus on genetics and phenotype. What difference it makes who is a Brahmin/Hindko/Pashtun. These are superficial labels anyways.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:11
Kapoor is a Khatri Punjabi surname. There is no refuting this. Do all the research you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapoor

oh really, is that the reason shammi kapoor calls himself hindu pathan, check at 1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwmBaq3FK3Y

after doing research on the net, I dont think kapoors have ever called themselves punjabies

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True, no one can be sure of any ones ethnicity in India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. Better we do not argue about that --- and focus on genetics and phenotype. What difference it makes who is a Brahmin/Hindko/Pashtun. These are superficial labels anyways.

WTF are you talking about? I can usually tell who is Brahmin by a long distance, especially indian brahmins who look just like regular indians. perhaps a kashmiri brahmin would be hard to tell

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:17
You just said there is no such thing as a hindu pathan . Now he is a hindu pathan? LOL.

And I though Pashtuns would never call themselves "Pathan" to begin with.

mac
2012-02-13, 03:18
oh really, is that the reason shammi kapoor calls himself hindu pathan, check at 1:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwmBaq3FK3Y

after doing research on the net, I dont think kapoors have ever called themselves punjabies

I give up. So now you're trying to prove that the Kapoors are Pashtuns? What kind of Pashtun calls himself Pathan anyways?

Besides, Shammi's full name is Shamsher Raj Kapoor. Very Pashtun-like. His father, Prithviraj Kapoor, the first in the family to pursue acting, was actually born in the town of Samundri near Faisalabad. His father was a policeman though and posted in Peshawar so some of the family was born there because of this.

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Why you arguing with a retard. Just carry on with your thread.

Unfortunately, he's disrupting this thread with his usual routine.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:22
You just said there is no such thing as a hindu pathan . Now he is a hindu pathan? LOL.

And I though Pashtuns would never call themselves "Pathan" to begin with.

look at what i said earlier, the hindkos in Peshawar call themselves pathans, the kapoor are most likely hindkos

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:23
Yup Prithviraj Kapoor was indeed born in Faisalabad. Which rules out the possibility of them being Hindko speakers.

For God's sake their name is Kapoor. It is about as Punjabi as you can get.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:23
I give up. So now you're trying to prove that the Kapoors are Pashtuns? What kind of Pashtun calls himself Pathan anyways?

Besides, Shammi's full name is Shamsher Raj Kapoor. Very Pashtun-like. His father, Prithviraj Kapoor, the first in the family to pursue acting, was actually born in the town of Samundri near Faisalabad. His father was a policeman though and posted in Peshawar so some of the family was born there because of this.[COLOR="Silver"]

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.

I said they are hindkos, not pashtuns nor punjabies

who cares where was he born? I gave evidence of a kapoor calling himself pathan, I bet you can't do the same about them calling themselves punjabi

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:25
look at what i said earlier, the hindkos in Peshawar call themselves pathans, the kapoor are most likely hindkos

As mac said Privitraj kapoor wasn't born in NWFP. They were no Hindkos. They were just your regular West Punjabis who moved to NWFP due to their jobs.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:27
oh btw more proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindkowans


[edit] Notable Hindkowans

* Dilip Kumar, Nishan-e-Imtiaz, an Indian film actor in Bollywood and a member of the Rajya Sabha[29][30][31]
* Prithviraj Kapoor, famous Indian Actor, Theatre Artist
* Shashi Kapoor, famous Indian Actor, Director, Producer
* Shammi Kapoor, famous Indian Actor, Director, Producer
* Raj Kapoor,Famous Indian Actor, Director, Producer
* Pran Sikhand, Padma Bhushan, a multiple filmfare awards and BFJA award winning Indian Bollywood actor[32]
* Anil Kapoor,Famous Indian Actor.
* Prithviraj Kapoor,Famous Indian Actor.
* Akhtar Abdur Rahman, ISI Chief.
* Humayun Akhtar Khan, prominent politician.
* Ayub Khan, Pakistan Army General.
* Yasir Hameed, Pakistani Crickter.
* Jehangir Khan, former World champion, Squash player.
* Vinod Khanna,Famous Indian Actor.
* Shah Rukh Khan,Famous Indian Actor.
* Ranbir Kapoor, famous India Actor

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:27
I said they are hindkos, not pashtuns nor punjabies

who cares where was he born? I gave evidence of a kapoor calling himself pathan, I bet you can't do the same about them calling themselves punjabi

If the founder of the family was born in Punjab and moved to NWFP for work that makes him a native of the region?

So if a nigerian/chinese/indian man moved to Sweden because of a job and learned Swedish and then called themselves Swedish they become a native and should be considered white and Scandinavian? haha

mac
2012-02-13, 03:28
I said they are hindkos, not pashtuns nor punjabies

who cares where was he born? I gave evidence of a kapoor calling himself pathan, I bet you can't do the same about them calling themselves punjabi

Why would I need to provide proof? The proof is there in their name, culture and religion.

Hindu Punjabis with Khatri Punjabi names and everything.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:29
As mac said Privitraj kapoor wasn't born in NWFP. They were no Hindkos. They were just your regular West Punjabis who moved to NWFP due to their jobs.

your an idiot, so just because they are born in punjab doesn't make them a hindko?

in fact in every interview of a kapoor they mention they are peshawari, never punjabies

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:30
oh btw more proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindkowans


[edit] Notable Hindkowans

* Dilip Kumar, Nishan-e-Imtiaz, an Indian film actor in Bollywood and a member of the Rajya Sabha[29][30][31]
* Prithviraj Kapoor, famous Indian Actor, Theatre Artist
* Shashi Kapoor, famous Indian Actor, Director, Producer
* Shammi Kapoor, famous Indian Actor, Director, Producer
* Raj Kapoor,Famous Indian Actor, Director, Producer
* Pran Sikhand, Padma Bhushan, a multiple filmfare awards and BFJA award winning Indian Bollywood actor[32]
* Anil Kapoor,Famous Indian Actor.
* Prithviraj Kapoor,Famous Indian Actor.
* Akhtar Abdur Rahman, ISI Chief.
* Humayun Akhtar Khan, prominent politician.
* Ayub Khan, Pakistan Army General.
* Yasir Hameed, Pakistani Crickter.
* Jehangir Khan, former World champion, Squash player.
* Vinod Khanna,Famous Indian Actor.
* Shah Rukh Khan,Famous Indian Actor.
* Ranbir Kapoor, famous India Actor

Wikipedia isn' proof of anything. Anybody can take 10 seconds to edit those names out.

Their founder was born in Punjab and moved to NWFP. Why can't you get this through your head? He called himself a Hindko or hindu pathan or wahtever because they probbaly felt a special link with their new residence. That doesn't make them native Hindkos. People immigrate to other countries all the time , learn the language and feel close to that country. Big deal.

mac
2012-02-13, 03:30
oh btw more proof:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindkowans


Hindokowans aren't a proper ethnic group. They can be Punjabi or Pashtun but are usually Punjabi as it describes they are related to Punjabis, Saraikis, etc.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:31
Why would I need to provide proof? The proof is there in their name, culture and religion.

Hindu Punjabis with Khatri Punjabi names and everything.

:whoco: the hindu hindkos do have similar names, not every one is a punjabi just because they might have similar name

mac
2012-02-13, 03:32
your an idiot, so just because they are born in punjab doesn't make them a hindko?

in fact in every interview of a kapoor they mention they are peshawari, never punjabies

So? Peshawar has significant Hindu and Sikh population of Punjabis? The Kapoors were just one of them. Their real origins were in Punjab.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:32
Wikipedia isn' proof of anything. Anybody can take 10 seconds to edit those names out.

Their founder was born in Punjab and moved to NWFP. Why can't you get this through your head? He called himself a Hindko or hindu pathan or wahtever because they probbaly felt a special link with their new residence. That doesn't make them native Hindkos. People immigrate to other countries all the time , learn the language and feel close to that country. Big deal.

lol what a idiotic response from a idiotic person, never mind, i have provided enough evidence. you can crap your jatt BS, i dont give a fuck

mac
2012-02-13, 03:33
:whoco: the hindu hindkos do have similar names, not every one is a punjabi just because they might have similar name

Taken from your own wiki page link,



Origin

H.A. Rose, author of Glossary of the Tribes and Castes of the Punjab and North West Frontier has defined Hindkowans or Hindkis as follows:

“Hindki, a generic term, half contemptuous, applied to all Muhammadans who being of Hindu origin speak Hindko and have been converted to Islam in comparatively recent times. In Bannu the term usually denotes an Awan or Jat cultivator, but in a wider sense it includes all Muhammadans who speak Hindko langauge.

Hindkos for the most part are Punjabi and those who are Pashtun know they are Pashtun.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:34
So? Peshawar has significant Hindu and Sikh population of Punjabis? The Kapoors were just one of them. Their real origins were in Punjab.

provide me with proper evidence of such, you haven't. They are hindko as far as I am concerned, heck I dont think Raj Kapoor himself even spoke punjabi, I just saw an article which said he spoke Hindko and Pashto

mac
2012-02-13, 03:35
lol what a idiotic response from a idiotic person, never mind, i have provided enough evidence. you can crap your jatt BS, i dont give a fuck

Jatt BS? Honestly, pakistani, if you can't be respectful, leave my thread. You insulted his ethnicity because he disagrees with you.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:35
Taken from your own wiki page link,



Hindkos for the most part are Punjabi and those who are Pashtun know they are Pashtun.


They are not fucking punjabies ok, not every is a punjabi, its like calling sindhis, punjabies. They are a seperate group. Your stupid punjabi nationalism is going out of hand. I personally knew few hindkos and they never called themselves punjabies, I think kapoors do the same, they never call themselves punjabi

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:36
your an idiot, so just because they are born in punjab doesn't make them a hindko?

in fact in every interview of a kapoor they mention they are peshawari, never punjabies


You truly are a moron. They moved to peshwar because of work. but they are originally from Punjab. Unless you have proof that they moved to Punjab from NWFP and then moved back to NWFP you are wrong. There were a lot of Punjabi and Sindhi traders who went to Afghanistan as traders during the british raj. Are they Paashtun? No. They are stilll Punjabi and Sindhi.

mac
2012-02-13, 03:36
provide me with proper evidence of such, you haven't. They are hindko as far as I am concerned, heck I dont think Raj Kapoor himself even spoke punjabi, I just saw any article which said he spoke Hindko and Pashto

How is your video proper evidence? Shammi Kapoor referred to himself as Hindu Pathan. Real Pashtuns don't ever call themselves Pathan as they find it offensive and it's not rare for Punjabis in Pakistan to claim to be "Pathan" if they have some relation to Peshawar or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:37
lol what a idiotic response from a idiotic person, never mind, i have provided enough evidence. you can crap your jatt BS, i dont give a fuck

Everything you have posted has proven you are a piece of shit with perhaps the lowest IQ of anybody on this forum.

Every post about South Asians you are found trolling. You post more about South Asians than ANY South Asian does. Why don't you fuck off?

mac
2012-02-13, 03:38
They are not fucking punjabies ok, not every is a punjabi, its like calling sindhis, punjabies. They are a seperate group. Your stupid punjabi nationalism is going out of hand. I personally knew few hindkos and they never called themselves punjabies, I think kapoors do the same, they never call themselves punjabi

Pakistani, please leave my thread. You have been more than disrespectful and have continuously resorted to ad hominems.

Punjabi nationalism? Indian nationalism? You never stop. :lol:

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:39
provide me with proper evidence of such, you haven't. They are hindko as far as I am concerned, heck I dont think Raj Kapoor himself even spoke punjabi, I just saw any article which said he spoke Hindko and Pashto

Yes I am sure a rich and famous family cares what some Pashtun on an online forum says. God they must be pissed that you consider them Hindko.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 03:45
How is your video proper evidence? Shammi Kapoor referred to himself as Hindu Pathan. Real Pashtuns don't ever call themselves Pathan as they find it offensive and it's not rare for Punjabis in Pakistan to claim to be "Pathan" if they have some relation to Peshawar or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

why would a Punjabi call himself a hindu pathan? is there any logic in this? are you this dumb, is your punjabi nationalism blinding you?

I know hindkos call themselves pathans, that is for sure. These guys are pure peshawari hindkos

mac
2012-02-13, 03:48
why would a Punjabi call himself a hindu pathan? is there any logic in this? are you this dumb, is your punjabi nationalism blinding you?

I know hindkos call themselves pathans, that is for sure. These guys are pure peshawari hindkos

I'm not responding to your posts any longer. Please leave my thread or I will continue reporting your posts.

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 03:49
why would a Punjabi call himself a hindu pathan? is there any logic in this? are you this dumb, is your punjabi nationalism blinding you?

I know hindkos call themselves pathans, that is for sure. These guys are pure peshawari hindkos


Yes pure Peshwari Hindkos whose founder was born near Lahore. Nice. They will always be West Punjabis. Them living in NWFP doesn't make them Hindko and the same applies them to living in India. They aren't East Punjabis now.

Void
2012-02-13, 03:49
How is your video proper evidence? Shammi Kapoor referred to himself as Hindu Pathan. Real Pashtuns don't ever call themselves Pathan as they find it offensive and it's not rare for Punjabis in Pakistan to claim to be "Pathan" if they have some relation to Peshawar or Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Shahid Afridi calls himself a Pathan
Last I checked he came from the Afridi Pashtun tribe of Afghanistan

Boring
2012-02-13, 03:52
Kapoors are khatris. Its an very common Khatri name. There were hindu khatris that originated all the way to afghanistan. Pakistani fails to understand the concept that just because a Khatri is from Ludhiana, does not make him a Jatt, and similarly if he is from Peshawar, it does not make him a Pathan. Bombay and Dehli are full of khatris that lived is Peshawar.

mac
2012-02-13, 03:54
Shahid Afridi calls himself a Pathan
Last I checked he came from the Afridi Pashtun tribe of Afghanistan

He does this to have his Pakistani viewers and supporters understand him. The majority of Pakistanis like Punjabis and Sindhis seem to use the term Pathan and not Pashtun. He uses it to have them understand he is Pashtun.

Besides, Afridi is from Khyber Agency of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Technically, he's from Pakistan and not Afghanistan.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 04:01
here is another clear evidence of their hindko origins from this article: http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_29-12-2003_pg7_25

"Yaqoob said the Kapoor’s love for Peshawar and Hindko language could be seen from the fact that Shami Kapoor and Dilip Kumar, another Peshawar resident, co-starred in a film and spoke Hindko in a Hindi film"

Boring
2012-02-13, 04:06
I grew up in Maharastra and spoke Marathi growing up. Does not make me a maharastrian.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 04:09
this article will solve all the problem:

Hindki (Pashto: هندکي) is the name given to an ethnic group who inhabit Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. They are of the Khatri, Arora, and Brahmin caste, and are found all over the country.[1] H. W. Bellew, in his Races of Afghanistan, estimated their number at about 300,000.[1] The name Hindki is also loosely used by Pathans on the upper Indus, in Dir and Bajour, to denote the speakers of Punjabi or any of its dialects.[1][5] It is sometimes applied in a historical sense to the Buddhist inhabitants of the Peshawar Valley north of the Kabul River, who were driven thence about the 5th or 6th century C.E. and settled in the neighbourhood of Kandahar.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindki

^ so yes they could very well be khatris, because apprantly there were lots of hindu hindko people before, and kapoor are probably one of them

Now it is 100% clear they were hindkos

Btw as the article says hindkos are indeed a close related group to punjabies, their language is pretty similar, but they are not 100% punjabi

today they call themselves pathans for some reason

mac
2012-02-13, 04:13
this article will solve all the problem:

Hindki (Pashto: هندکي) is the name given to an ethnic group who inhabit Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. They are of the Khatri, Arora, and Brahmin caste, and are found all over the country.[1] H. W. Bellew, in his Races of Afghanistan, estimated their number at about 300,000.[1] The name Hindki is also loosely used by Pathans on the upper Indus, in Dir and Bajour, to denote the speakers of Punjabi or any of its dialects.[1][5] It is sometimes applied in a historical sense to the Buddhist inhabitants of the Peshawar Valley north of the Kabul River, who were driven thence about the 5th or 6th century C.E. and settled in the neighbourhood of Kandahar.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindki

^ so yes they could very well be khatris, because apprantly there were lots of hindu hindko people before, and kapoor are probably one of them

Now it is 100% clear they were hindkos

Btw as the article says hindkos are indeed a close related group to punjabies, their language is pretty similar, but they are not 100% punjabi

today they call themselves pathans for some reason

Btw as the article says hindkos are indeed a close related group to punjabies, their language is pretty similar, but they are not 100% punjabi

So they could very well be Khatris but they are not 100% Punjabi? What is 100% Punjabi? Prithviraj Kapoor could speak Hindko, Punjabi and Hindi. What does that make him?

Khatri Punjabis mostly trace their origins back to Western Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. There are also other Kapoors in Bollywood besides the Kapoor family.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 04:18
So they could very well be Khatris but they are not 100% Punjabi? What is 100% Punjabi?

Khatri Punjabis mostly trace their origins back to Western Punjab and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. There are also other Kapoors in Bollywood besides the Kapoor family.

well my point is if they are speaking a different language even if it is related to Punjabi, why would you call them punjabi?

Yes I know hindko people are closley related to punjabis, but like I said I knew some hindkos before and they always called themselves hindko, not punjabi. Hindkos have a separate identity, infact are very nationalistic among themselves, currently they are demanding a separate province from KP

mac
2012-02-13, 04:22
well my point is if they are speaking a different language even if it is related to Punjabi, why would you call them punjabi?

Yes I know hindko people are closley related to punjabis, but like I said I knew some hindkos before and they always called themselves hindko, not punjabi. Hindkos have a separate identity, infact are very nationalistic among themselves, currently they are demanding a separate province from KP

Hindkos call themselves Hindko because it is their identity. Most Pakistani Punjabis I met don't even refer to themselves as Punjabi but rather Pakistani so why would Hindkos do so?

Most Hindko speakers are ethnically Punjabi but culturally Hindko or Peshawari. The rest are usually Pashtun like Ayub Khan.

Imran Khan Niazi is ethnically Pashtun but culturally Punjabi. His Punjabi is much better than his Pashto.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 04:26
]Hindkos call themselves Hindko because it is their identity.[/B] Most Pakistani Punjabis I met don't even refer to themselves as Punjabi but rather Pakistani so why would Hindkos do so?

Most Hindko speakers are ethnically Punjabi but culturally Hindko or Peshawari. The rest are usually Pashtun like Ayub Khan.

Imran Khan Niazi is ethnically Pashtun but culturally Punjabi. His Punjabi is much better than his Pashto.

hindkos today call themselves pathans or hindkowans and this is the reason even kapoor are calling themselves pathans, they are of course ethinically closer to being punjabies than pashtuns, but today they have a seperate culture and identity, so like I said you can't really call Kapoors Punjabi if they have separate identity/culture

asingh
2012-02-13, 04:49
WTF are you talking about? I can usually tell who is Brahmin by a long distance, especially indian brahmins who look just like regular indians. perhaps a kashmiri brahmin would be hard to tell

Oh shut the fuck up, you retarded troll. Even I cannot tell looking at someones face if he/she is a Brahmin how the hell can you. Stop posting BS on this thread. Personally speaking all the SA users, apart from that jack-ass Dravidian, are fed-up of your troll-nuisance. You even see what you are typing:

"I can tell from a long distance, specially Indian Brahmins"

"Who look like regular Indians".

Of course they will look like Indians, but there is no way you can tell a Brahmin from a distance. Please. Stop trolling like a moronic runt and going on and on derailing India based threads.


I grew up in Maharastra and spoke Marathi growing up. Does not make me a maharastrian.
Ya, I am also a Khatri now. Since I have been in New Delhi 12-13 years.


hindkos today call themselves pathans or hindkowans and this is the reason even kapoor are calling themselves pathans, they are of course ethinically closer to being punjabies than pashtuns, but today they have a seperate culture and identity, so like I said you can't really call Kapoors Punjabi if they have separate identity/culture
Pakistani, stop acting stupid and derailing threads. We are not going to believe jack based on some you-tube video. These Bollywood actors are hardly honest about anything. As it is with all celebrities they something tonight and deny it next morning. The same with Hollywood stars. All love to tell how exotic and honorable they are. Even if they were Hindko Pathans or what ever, it hardly matters. They are now Indian. Like you will always remain Pakistani, no matter what you say about being Eurasian/Iranid. So shut the fuck-up, and stop derailing threads.

newtoboard
2012-02-13, 04:52
hindkos today call themselves pathans or hindkowans and this is the reason even kapoor are calling themselves pathans, they are of course ethinically closer to being punjabies than pashtuns, but today they have a seperate culture and identity, so like I said you can't really call Kapoors Punjabi if they have separate identity/culture

Blah blah blah.

Why do you have to post in every thread about South Asians? If you want a site to troll South Asian go to some Pashtun forums and make all the threads you want. You won't see any of us give a shit.

Otherwise like asingh and mac said shut the fuck up you moron.

Void
2012-02-13, 04:59
He does this to have his Pakistani viewers and supporters understand him. The majority of Pakistanis like Punjabis and Sindhis seem to use the term Pathan and not Pashtun. He uses it to have them understand he is Pashtun.

Besides, Afridi is from Khyber Agency of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Technically, he's from Pakistan and not Afghanistan.

My bad I meant Pakistan not Afghanistan
Regardless he's still a Pashtun and he's still using that term
Of course Pashtuns wont refer to themselves as Pathan, but clearly in front of other Pakistanis that aren't Pashtun they will refer to themselves as Pathan due to the ignorance behind the terminology or the familiarity behind the term Pathan

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 06:50
The Kapoor are Punjabis for sure, given their surname and their ancestor's origins. However, given the fact that they spoke Hindko having lived in Peshawar they identify themselves as Hindko. Hindko itself is an ethno-linguistic term. So it seems like in this case, the Punjabi Kapoors speak the Hindko language and hence identify themselves as Hindko.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 08:40
Asa Singh Johal - Sikh immigrant to Canada

http://www.darpanmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/AsaJohal.jpg



Asa Johal is a brahmin. His mother was a widow with one male child who married a jatt sikh Johal.

---------- Post added 2012-02-13 at 00:50 ----------


I think it's hard to distinguish between most punjabi groups. Too much variation and overlap. I doubt all jatts even have a common heritage or for that matter all rajputs. It just seems like an amalgamation of people. Some tribes that even have the same name but inhabit different regions may not even be the same tribe. That's an assumption but without any other connection, just having a name in common seems rather flimsy.

All jatts have same roots and all rajputs of scythian blood have the same roots too. Jatts won't marry their daughters out of jatt ethnic group is the reason.

---------- Post added 2012-02-13 at 00:59 ----------


Really? Honestly, I've never seen a Punjabi Rajput in person but I'm met tons of Punjabi Khatris and they honestly don't look that much different from Jatts in my opinion. Just often a bit shorter and sometimes the guys are lighter.

In regards to Harijan Sikhs, I've never met one but apparently Ajay Devgan is one.

Ajay Devgan is not a harijan but a khatri and is married to a khatri.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 09:06
Asa Johal is a brahmin. His mother was a widow with one male child who married a jatt sikh Johal.[COLOR="Silver"]
Source? Even of what you say is true, by virtue of Jatts being a patriarchal community, he would be a Jatt.



Ajay Devgan is not a harijan but a khatri and is married to a khatri.

Devgan could be a Khatri or Ramgarhiya/Tarkhan; things arent very clear about this surname. And you are incorrect about Kajol. Her maternal surname is Mukherjee aka Mukhopadhyay which is Bengali Brahmin.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 09:13
So? It's not like they're part Pashtun. They're Hindu and some of the family is part Sindhi. They are hindus who repect sikhs highly.

---------- Post added 2012-02-13 at 01:39 ----------


As mac said Privitraj kapoor wasn't born in NWFP. They were no Hindkos. They were just your regular West Punjabis who moved to NWFP due to their jobs.

I wonder why I started this shit agian. Kapoors are punjabi khatries. I think they had last lived in peshawer before they moved into present day India. I had heard from Shashi kapoor that they are from peshawer, that is the reason why I mentioned it in the first place.

ducktard
2012-02-13, 09:59
Is Ajay Devgan a Harijan Sikh or Khatri?

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 10:03
provide me with proper evidence of such, you haven't. They are hindko as far as I am concerned, heck I dont think Raj Kapoor himself even spoke punjabi, I just saw an article which said he spoke Hindko and Pashto

Yes, all kapoors speak fluent punjabi even today.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 10:18
Is Ajay Devgan a Harijan Sikh or Khatri?

He's not Harijan for sure. Sikh or not I dont know. I heard he originally planned to solemnized his marriage to Kajol in a Gurudwara but I dont know if he proclaims himself a Sikh. As I mentioned earlier, it isnt clear whether Devgan is a Tarkhan/Ramgarhiya or Khatri surname. The formers are backward castes (carpenters by caste profession) but not counted as Dalits in Punjab.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 10:34
Source? Even of what you say is true, by virtue of Jatts being a patriarchal community, he would be a Jatt.




Devgan could be a Khatri or Ramgarhiya/Tarkhan; things arent very clear about this surname. And you are incorrect about Kajol. Her maternal surname is Mukherjee aka Mukhopadhyay which is Bengali Brahmin.

Go check with Asa Johal's family and they will let you know.

Kajal is the the daughter of junjabi mehra who made tanuja pregnant but refuge to marry her. He is a canadian businessman with connection to bollywood as his brother is aproducer and director in bollywood. Don't believe me? Get her dna checked. Same goes for Asa Johal. And also get Sanjay Dutts dna checked, for fool proof evidence.

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 10:35
hindkos today call themselves pathans or hindkowans and this is the reason even kapoor are calling themselves pathans, they are of course ethinically closer to being punjabies than pashtuns, but today they have a seperate culture and identity, so like I said you can't really call Kapoors Punjabi if they have separate identity/culture

Kapoors are as Punjabi as one can get, as some said, it was Prithviraj Kapoor (or his father ?) who moved to Peshawar for job opportunity, or something like that.
And as some said, Hindkowan is a linguistic identity, not ethnic or cultural one : so, even if the Kapoors were technically Hindkowans, it doesn't change the fact that they are, and were, Punjabis (an always claim so, in any interview.)


Is Ajay Devgan a Harijan Sikh or Khatri?

Ajay Devgan is from the Sikh Ramgarhia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramgarhia)community, like Harbhajan Singh or Monty Panesar, both cricketers


Says the Panesars are all Ramgarhias, a branch of the Sikh faith reserved for builders, architects and "wood-workers". Harbhajan Singh is also a Ramgarhia, but is frowned upon because he has strayed. "Monty keeps his hair long," Pritpal observes; "Harbhajan cuts his hair. Monty is not cutting his hair."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/religious-stronghold-that-gave-rise-to-panesars/2006/10/27/1161749312740.html

Think they're seen as 'low caste'.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 10:39
Is Ajay Devgan a Harijan Sikh or Khatri?

He is a sikh khatri to my knowledge. Just because he is little too dark so people think he is a harijan.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 10:42
Go check with Asa Johal's family and they will let you know.

Kajal is the the daughter of junjabi mehra who made tanuja pregnant but refuge to marry her. He is a canadian businessman with connection to bollywood as his brother is aproducer and director in bollywood. Don't believe me? Get her dna checked. Same goes for Asa Johal. And also get Sanjay Dutts dna checked, for fool proof evidence.

Not again..:|. Words fail me.

May I ask you, who you really are, your highness?

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 10:53
Not again..:|. Words fail me.

May I ask you, who you really are, your highness? I am a Gill Jatt.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 10:56
I am a Gill Jatt.

Really? How do you know so many Bollywood stars personally? You aren't related to the Deols, are you?

asingh
2012-02-13, 11:05
Really? How do you know so many Bollywood stars personally? You aren't related to the Deols, are you?

I know Sonal Singh Chauhan.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 11:17
Really? How do you know so many Bollywood stars personally? You aren't related to the Deols, are you?

Watch there interviews on tv. Know about Kajol from her real cousin a mehra. Related to Deols distantly, not directly.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 12:17
Watch there interviews on tv. Know about Kajol from her real cousin a mehra. Related to Deols distantly, not directly.

So Kajol said she is an illicit child in an interview?

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 13:46
So Kajol said she is an illicit child in an interview?

Reread my statement idiot. Mehra is from jullundur and it is a well known fact among mehra families that kajol is a child of Mehra and not only that he has also supported her all the Time.

So one should listen to your bullshit and not to her relatives? There was an affair going on between Mehra and Tanuja and Kajol is the result of that. and her so called fake bengali father stepped forward to save Tanuja when she was already pregnant with Mehra's child.

Again there is no end to your nonsense, which bengali brahman will marry his daughter to a harijan? Ajay Devgan a khatri is married to Kajol mehra another khatri.

Forget about you wiki. cut and paste stuff spreading misinformation everywhere just about everybody and everything.

asingh
2012-02-13, 14:03
Reread my statement idiot. Mehra is from jullundur and it is a well known fact among mehra families that kajol is a child of Mehra and not only that he has also supported her all the Time.

I have not really heard of this theory. It sounds quite lame, and you concocted it up to support that Devgan married a Khatri, and are continuing to support it, since you have been owned. Can you show any snippets which support this. I follow Bollywood, and never heard of it.



So one should listen to your bullshit and not to her relatives? There was an affair going on between Mehra and Tanuja and Kajol is the result of that. and her so called fake bengali father stepped forward to save Tanuja when she was already pregnant with Mehra's child.

And we should listen to your BS...?



Again there is no end to your nonsense, which bengali brahman will marry his daughter to a harijan? Ajay Devgan a khatri is married to Kajol mehra another khatri.

It really was not an arranged marriage, or would have stopped cause of parent veto. She was at the peak of her career, and Devgan was substantially established as a Bollywood hero. So they could do whatever they want.



Forget about you wiki. cut and paste stuff spreading misinformation everywhere just about everybody and everything.
It is you who is doing this.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 14:11
Reread my statement idiot. Mehra is from jullundur and it is a well known fact among mehra families that kajol is a child of Mehra and not only that he has also supported her all the Time.

So one should listen to your bullshit and not to her relatives? There was an affair going on between Mehra and Tanuja and Kajol is the result of that. and her so called fake bengali father stepped forward to save Tanuja when she was already pregnant with Mehra's child.

Again there is no end to your nonsense, which bengali brahman will marry his daughter to a harijan? Ajay Devgan a khatri is married to Kajol mehra another khatri.

Forget about you wiki. cut and paste stuff spreading misinformation everywhere just about everybody and everything.

Hmm..so we should not believe the info available in the public domain but believe your sources in Mehra, Dutt and Mukherjee families. Amazing..!

Ahh..not to mention your relations in Deol and Johal families...! You are very well connected.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 14:38
I have not really heard of this theory. It sounds quite lame, and you concocted it up to support that Devgan married a Khatri, and are continuing to support it, since you have been owned. Can you show any snippets which support this. I follow Bollywood, and never heard of it.


And we should listen to your BS...?


It really was not an arranged marriage, or would have stopped cause of parent veto. She was at the peak of her career, and Devgan was substantially established as a Bollywood hero. So they could do whatever they want.


It is you who is doing this.

Nobody have to believe me. I am not an enemy of Kajol or a friend of Devgan, I only said what I had learnt from my mehra friend. And again why would he say such things about a person he had nothing to do with.

Arranged or not, as if Kajol had no other choice, was there a shortage of suiters for her even if she wanted to hand pick one? In your case, if your parents have no objection, would you go out and marry a dalit girl, suppose you had fallen in love with her?

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Hmm..so we should not believe the info available in the public domain but believe your sources in Mehra, Dutt and Mukherjee families. Amazing..!

Ahh..not to mention your relations in Deol and Johal families...! You are very well connected.

Believe me or not, who really cares?

asingh
2012-02-13, 15:51
Nobody have to believe me. I am not an enemy of Kajol or a friend of Devgan, I only said what I had learnt from my mehra friend. And again why would he say such things about a person he had nothing to do with.

Ok, fair enough.



Arranged or not, as if Kajol had no other choice, was there a shortage of suiters for her even if she wanted to hand pick one? In your case, if your parents have no objection, would you go out and marry a dalit girl, suppose you had fallen in love with her?

Kajol and Devgan had been going around for quite a while, before they decided to tie the knot. It was an out-an-out love marriage. It was not that she was picking suitors, or he was like wise.

What has my choice got to do with this discussion. I can reply you the answer via PM if you want.

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 16:44
Ok, fair enough.


Kajol and Devgan had been going around for quite a while, before they decided to tie the knot. It was an out-an-out love marriage. It was not that she was picking suitors, or he was like wise.

What has my choice got to do with this discussion. I can reply you the answer via PM if you want.

Your choice have lots to do with it, because all of you are saying that Devgan is a Harijan or Tarkhan. And I disagreed, knowing what I knew about Kajol and also having never heard of Devgan being a harijan or tarkhan gotra. Devgan sounds more like some brahmin, khatri or may be banya gotra. I have never claimed that I know exactly what Devgan's caste is. That is why I said that it is most likely a khatri has married another khatri rather than a bengali brahmin having married a dalit. If you are not ready to marry a dalit given the choice, then why would Kajol do that?

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 17:41
Your choice have lots to do with it, because all of you are saying that Devgan is a Harijan or Tarkhan. And I disagreed, knowing what I knew about Kajol and also having never heard of Devgan being a harijan or tarkhan gotra. Devgan sounds more like some brahmin, khatri or may be banya gotra. I have never claimed that I know exactly what Devgan's caste is. That is why I said that it is most likely a khatri has married another khatri rather than a bengali brahmin having married a dalit. If you are not ready to marry a dalit given the choice, then why would Kajol do that?

You have to understand that not everybody pust their caste/community above everything else when choosing a life partner.

asingh
2012-02-13, 17:45
Your choice have lots to do with it, because all of you are saying that Devgan is a Harijan or Tarkhan. And I disagreed, knowing what I knew about Kajol and also having never heard of Devgan being a harijan or tarkhan gotra. Devgan sounds more like some brahmin, khatri or may be banya gotra. I have never claimed that I know exactly what Devgan's caste is. That is why I said that it is most likely a khatri has married another khatri rather than a bengali brahmin having married a dalit. If you are not ready to marry a dalit given the choice, then why would Kajol do that?

Where have I said, Devgan is a low caste....? Show me.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 17:47
Blah blah blah.

Why do you have to post in every thread about South Asians? If you want a site to troll South Asian go to some Pashtun forums and make all the threads you want. You won't see any of us give a shit.

Otherwise like asingh and mac said shut the fuck up you moron.

who the fuck are you moron? you are not even from pakistan you piece of shit. stop acting like as if you own every thing and you know about every thing.

The kapoors are hindko, I just wanted to clarify that

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Kapoors are as Punjabi as one can get, as some said, it was Prithviraj Kapoor (or his father ?) who moved to Peshawar for job opportunity, or something like that.
And as some said, Hindkowan is a linguistic identity, not ethnic or cultural one : so, even if the Kapoors were technically Hindkowans, it doesn't change the fact that they are, and were, Punjabis (an always claim so, in any interview.)



Ajay Devgan is from the Sikh Ramgarhia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramgarhia)community, like Harbhajan Singh or Monty Panesar, both cricketers



http://www.smh.com.au/news/cricket/religious-stronghold-that-gave-rise-to-panesars/2006/10/27/1161749312740.html

Think they're seen as 'low caste'.

please provide me with those interviews, i have yet to find one where they say they are punjabi. infact like I have shown, I found evidence other wise, they are calling themselves pathans. Yes hindko people and punjabi people have relations, and I know their languages are almost identical but they do not consider themselves punjabi as I have met many hindkowans, they consider themselves different from the plains punjabies. It's the same thing with Azad Kashmiries for example, even though they are very similar to punjabies, yet they always call themselves mirpuris and differentiate themselves from plain punjabies. Phenotype wise both hindkowans and mirpuris also look a bit different from plain punjabies

Heck I just checked even the Khatri clan mostly comes from the KP, so it makes sense kapoors are originally from there rather punjab

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 18:03
please provide me with those interviews, i have yet to find one where they say they are punjabi. infact like I have shown, I found evidence other wise, they are calling themselves pathans. Yes hindko people and punjabi people have relations, yet they are not punjabi, atleast not 100% punjabi of the plains

I Google exactly four seconds, and found


Don't blame Kareena Kapoor's lineage for her exuberant Punjabi spirit. She possesses array of other qualities too, which makes her a true-blue Punjabi lass. Like, she's always excited, loves ethnic Punjabi dresses, adore Punjabi fare, and finally she's shot in the state many times.
...
Asked about the secret of her beauty, she replied, "I am a Punjabi." Kareena's happy with Bollywood, but in case she gets an amazing Punjabi script, she would not refuse. ""Let's see how things shape up,"" she said.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-08-29/news-interviews/29940651_1_punjabi-kareena-kapoor-bodyguard

I've also seen Rishi Kapoor say it in some TV interview.
In fact, it's so unanimously admitted that I don't know what we're really talking about, 'Hindko' doesn't even exist as an identity for most South Asians (how many non-Peshawaris use it ?) and in India, Kapoor = Punjabi.

That's basically saying that a Burki or Niazi in Punjab (tons of them, esp. the Niazis, around Mianwali) are not Pashtuns, but Punjabis, because they don't even speak Pashto anymore but Punjabi and live in Punjab since centuries.
About the Kapoors, only Raj Kapoor was born in Peshawar/Hindko areas anyway, as Prithviraj Kapoor, the 'doyen of the family', was born in Faisalabad, no wonder why he's described as a Punjabi.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 18:06
^ kareena kapoor is half sindhi, so basically that shows the credibility of the article, like I said go check where the (Khatri) clan comes from. It comes from KP and not the Punjab plains

and look at this ANil Kapoor who is related to the Kapoor family, even he calls himself pathan, check at 0:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKP-rpQmGw

only hindko people in peshawar call themselves pathans

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 18:10
^ kareena kapoor is half sindhi, so basically that shows the credibility of the article, like I said go check where the (Khatri) clan comes from. It comes from KP and not the Punjab plains

Well, if she identifies as a Punjabi despite having a Sindhi mother, it tells a lot doesn't it ? Perhaps because her paternal lineage is Punjabi ... ?
I don't know where you got these info. from, I thought that they claimed origins from Western Punjab (around Jhelum), though they may have been found from KP to Haryana and so many other states for different reasons.

The article comes from Times of India, by the way, you don't get more credible.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 18:12
^ look why are they calling themselves pathans then? i have given you two clear evidences of that, both shammi kapoor and anil kapoor calling themselves pathans, you can believe what ever you want

It's obvious you have never been to Peshawar, come to Peshawar and see that every hindko person will refer to himself as a pathan, not a punjabi

asingh
2012-02-13, 18:26
^ look why are they calling themselves pathans then? i have given you two clear evidences of that, both shammi kapoor and anil kapoor calling themselves pathans, you can believe what ever you want

It's obvious you have never been to Peshawar, come to Peshawar and see that every hindko person will refer to himself as a pathan, not a punjabi

Pakistani, I am not refuting the logic you are stating. But I would take it with a pound salt, what these Bollywood stars say about themselves. It is quite similar to the BS/FUD Hollywood celebrities say on candid celluloid.

By the way, Anil Kapoor is related to Prithvi Raj's Lineage thus:


In the beginning two brothers came to Bombay (Mumbai now). One was Prithvi Raj Kapoor and the other was Trilok Kapoor. Prithviraj Kapoor became a hit but Trilok Kapoor also was popular in Mythological films and played the main roles of dieties and gods.
PrithviRaj Kapoor had three Sons Raj Kapoor Shammi Kapoor and Shashi Kapoor and two daughters (I think) Trilok Kapoor had three sons Anil Kapoor, Bonnie Kapoor (the eldest) and the third one I am not sure about.
Thus Raj Kapoor and Anil Kapoor are related i.e. they are cousins.

So the relation is quite close. Also the Hindko, mumbo-jumbo which you have been posting past 3-4 pages makes sense, but the relational weight-age you are putting on it, is non formidable and hardly holds the gravity you are trying to show. Though again, what you are saying, we cannot refute or prove wrong, so your argument holds, people can believe what they want. Of course, you must be aware what I believe.

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 18:27
^ look why are they calling themselves pathans then? i have given you two clear evidences of that, both shammi kapoor and anil kapoor calling themselves pathans, you can believe what ever you want

They called themselves 'Hindu Pathans' (doesn't even make sense, no report of Pashtuns ever being Hindus), I know that, but Kapoor is a Khatri gotra, if a Gill claims to be a Pathan because his family lived in Peshawar for decades doesn't change the fact that he remains a Jatt.

It they were Muslims, and didn't had a caste name, the debate would have been interesting, but someone named 'Kapoor' who calls himself a Pathan is not to be taken seriously really.

And as I said, Hindko is a lingusitic identiy, there's a 'Hindkowan' coming with some funny poetry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3_VZF2VRMY&t=29s

It is nearer to Punjabi or Pashto ? And even if Hindkowans don't see themselves as such, it doesn't change the fact that their tribal names are found in Punjab (like Khatris were exclusively found in West Punjab before the Partition.)
The Seraikis too (in the 'interior Punjab') are a linguistic group who, ethnically, are an intermediate between Punjabis and Sindhis, but they don't see themselves as neither Punjabi nor Sindhi.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 18:32
They called themselves 'Hindu Pathans' (doesn't even make sense, no report of Pashtuns ever being Hindus), I know that, but Kapoor is a Khatri gotra, if a Gill claims to be a Pathan because his family lived in Peshawar for decades doesn't change the fact that he remains a Jatt.

It they were Muslims, and didn't had a caste name, the debate would have been interesting, but someone named 'Kapoor' who calls himself a Pathan is not to be taken seriously really.

I would rather believe them then you, you have no idea what are you talking about

ALso the hindu hindkowans probably can have similar sir name as punjabies, like I posted early that hindkos are Khatris, Brahmins, aroras etc... they were mostly hindus before Islam anways. The Khatri clan comes from KP not punjab, there are so many article on the net about this

Also regarding languages, atleast in modern sense, there is difference between hindko and plain punjabi, see this blog from a hindko person himself: http://kariplian.blogspot.com/2011/02/difference-between-hindko-and-punjabi.html

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They called themselves 'Hindu Pathans' (doesn't even make sense, no report of Pashtuns ever being Hindus), I know that, but Kapoor is a Khatri gotra, if a Gill claims to be a Pathan because his family lived in Peshawar for decades doesn't change the fact that he remains a Jatt.

It they were Muslims, and didn't had a caste name, the debate would have been interesting, but someone named 'Kapoor' who calls himself a Pathan is not to be taken seriously really.

And as I said, Hindko is a lingusitic identiy, there's a 'Hindkowan' coming with some funny poetry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3_VZF2VRMY&t=29s

It is nearer to Punjabi or Pashto ? And even if Hindkowans don't see themselves as such, it doesn't change the fact that their tribal names are found in Punjab (like Khatris were exclusively found in West Punjab before the Partition.)
The Seraikis too (in the 'interior Punjab') are a linguistic group who, ethnically, are an intermediate between Punjabis and Sindhis, but they don't see themselves as neither Punjabi nor Sindhi.


I never said they are pashtuns, but hindkos like Seraikis dont consider themselves pashtuns or punjabies, their identity is seperate

Hridyam
2012-02-13, 18:35
Where have I said, Devgan is a low caste....? Show me.

May be not you, but many of them did. When I find that I have some specific information about the subject matter from a reliable source, I try to share it with you people. But almost every time I am told that I am lying right out, yet same people will rely on the unverified information from various other sources and claim it to be correct.

For me the whole entertainment industry is a industry of Kanjars, and I am not going to waste my life for any Kanjar. Enough is enough.

I came here looking for information on jatt dna and thought that this place be full of experts, but found no experts here. I found Reality Check and you were better than others when it came to anthropology. I feel that dna analysis also appears to be in its infancy, I was about to get my dna analysis done but have now decided to wait until they know what they are really doing.

I also think that I am simply wasting my time here and should spend that time doing something else.

I apologize to everybody for anything and everything and will refrain from posting again. I may or may not visit this site again.

I wish good luck to you all regardless of your caste, creed or religion. May god bless you all.

Hridyam

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 18:40
Maaaaaaan, I speak Potohari and sometimes I feel that it has nothing to do with the Punjabi I heard in Lahore, but, in terms of TRIBAL AFFILIATIONS, Potoharis, Hindkowans, Seraikis, ... are all Rajputs, Jatts, Awans, ... and not Afridi, Ghilzai, Burkis, ... understand ? Punjabi is an ethno-cultural term which encompasses hundred of millions of peoples, of course it would span different languages/dialects.
There are even peoples in Azad Kashmir (Potoharis) who don't feel connected to the 'traditional Punjabi' (Lahore) but it doesn't mean that they're not Punjabis... listen to some Potohari poetry now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbFhz9trQ88&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVAsRmb_930

I'm sure than any Indian Punjabi here understands Hindko better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tu52g_9HWw

Singer is Munir AWAN (Awan ARE a Punjabi clan), and in fact read the best rated comment from an Indian Punjabi


This is a nice song, but as a Punjabi speaker I can't understand the difference between Hindko and Punjabi. Can someone please enlighten me? I really want to know and reading the wiki article noted some differences in theory but hearing it I can't tell the difference.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 18:47
^ language could be 99% similar, i dont care for that, but since I have met many hindkowans in my life, I know they have a separate culture/identity,again when did I say they are pashtuns? They are not pashtuns at all, but that doesn't mean they identify with punjab. In fact it is hindkowans themselves who want to seperate their identity from the plain punjabies. even Azad Kashmiri people refer to themselves as kashmiries/Mirpuris because they want a seperate identity from the plains

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 18:49
Well, now we agree... but, IMO, these claims are useless, talking about Azad Kashmiris esp., who have some kind of superiority complex but which isn't backed by facts.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 18:53
Well, now we agree... but, IMO, these claims are useless, talking about Azad Kashmiris esp., who have some kind of superiority complex but which isn't backed by facts.

it's not about superiority complex, if some one has a identity of his own, why would they want to be identified as some one else? I would do the same thing in their position. I think it is very obvious that the punjab nationalism is very strong in pakistan and heck on this board.

this is the reason even seriaki people want to seperate from punjab, simply because they have their own identity and dont consider themselves punjabi

Punjabis really need to stop forcing their culture and identity on others, this is reflected by what is happening in pakistan.

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 19:02
There's no Pakistani Punjabi nationalism on this board at all (me ?), and in fact I don't see what you mean by it, Punjabis have to be the less nationalist ethnicity of Pakistan, if they were that nationalist Punjabi wouldn't be dying in favour of Urdu in Lahore, because Punjabi has always been an inclusive identity, that's why it encompasses a lot of dialects and phenotypes and basically large parts of two countries.

I just think that the Potoharis claims are BS, they eat, look, ... like Punjabis, just the language changes a bit, and they think that they have an identity of their own.

Anyway, that's not the thread to discuss it.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 19:06
May be not you, but many of them did. When I find that I have some specific information about the subject matter from a reliable source, I try to share it with you people. But almost every time I am told that I am lying right out, yet same people will rely on the unverified information from various other sources and claim it to be correct.

For me the whole entertainment industry is a industry of Kanjars, and I am not going to waste my life for any Kanjar. Enough is enough.

I came here looking for information on jatt dna and thought that this place be full of experts, but found no experts here. I found Reality Check and you were better than others when it came to anthropology. I feel that dna analysis also appears to be in its infancy, I was about to get my dna analysis done but have now decided to wait until they know what they are really doing.

I also think that I am simply wasting my time here and should spend that time doing something else.

I apologize to everybody for anything and everything and will refrain from posting again. I may or may not visit this site again.

I wish good luck to you all regardless of your caste, creed or religion. May god bless you all.

Hridyam

You posted unverified hearsay and deserved the kind of reception you got, so dont try and play the poor kid here.

Good riddance.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 19:12
There's no Pakistani Punjabi nationalism on this board at all (me ?), and in fact I don't see what you mean by it, Punjabis have to be the less nationalist ethnicity of Pakistan, if they were that nationalist Punjabi wouldn't be dying in favour of Urdu in Lahore, because Punjabi has always been an inclusive identity, that's why it encompasses a lot of dialects and phenotypes and basically large parts of two countries.

I just think that the Potoharis claims are BS, they eat, look, ... like Punjabis, just the language changes a bit, and they think that they have an identity of their own.

Anyway, that's not the thread to discuss it.

the indian punjabi nationalism is on this board

as for pakistan, it is clear punjab runs the show in pakistan, i mean 90% of the army is punjabi, what does that reflect? look what the punjabi army/military has done in Baluchistan, they have raped the land and look what they are doing in Fata killing innocent pashtuns for money from america, while people in Islamabad, Lahore etc.. live good lives

Punjabies have a very bad rep in pakistan, espeically now days. They are looked as sell outs to the nation. This is a fact, not to mention the cultural things like Heera Mandi, alcohol etc.. and many other non islamic practices which occur in punjab, which are influencing many parts of pakistan

also the azad kashmiries dont necessarily look 100% punjabi plains, they look different. They are a mountain people

asingh
2012-02-13, 19:16
it's not about superiority complex, if some one has a identity of his own, why would they want to be identified as some one else? I would do the same thing in their position. I think it is very obvious that the punjab nationalism is very strong in pakistan and heck on this board.

this is the reason even seriaki people want to seperate from punjab, simply because they have their own identity and dont consider themselves punjabi

Punjabis really need to stop forcing their culture and identity on others, this is reflected by what is happening in pakistan.

By that logic, India would be approximate 25 countries, if we started to sub - divide as what people felt as an identity.

Your argument is moot and a fallacy of your short-comings and prejudice towards certain people. There is no Punjab Nationalism on this board, and I have hardly seen Punjabis forcing their culture and identity on others. They are a fun loving people -- and matter of fact they are open for assimilation. I do not know what is happening in your Chitral / Quetta but here in India they are cool. So do not come in here and spread the usual BS which you always do. Since I have been posting here, all I here you say are your dumb assary hypothesis and figments of your disillusioned mind.

Such as:

1. Brahmins think they are Europid.
2. Europeans think Brahmins think they are Europid.
3. Indians think Brahmins are Europid.
4. Indians have an average look.
5. DNA sample is biased.
6. DNA articles are written by Brahmins so cannot be trusted.
7. Punjab nationalism here on ABF. [new one today].
8. Indians have a common look. INDIANASS, the term you coined.

How the hell, can you swipe of a huge span of people -- and paint them with your racial mindset. You even know what you are talking about, just going on and on. Or you love to get bitched out by forum members here, left-right-and-center. You are the only SA poster who brings up these words in posts: Hindu Nationalism, Caste, Dalit, Bias, Urine. Does not really put you in good light. All your theories above, are backed by zilch, but you still go on. Pakistani, no one here believes you, we just tolerate you. But all things end one day.


By the way, before you accuse me, I am not a Punjabi.

RobbieS
2012-02-13, 19:17
the indian punjabi nationalism is on this board

Come on...:) Are you serious?

pakistani
2012-02-13, 19:19
By that logic, India would be approximate 25 countries, if we started to sub - divide as what people felt as an identity.

Your argument is moot and a fallacy of your short-comings and prejudice towards certain people. There is no Punjab Nationalism on this board, and I have hardly seen Punjabis forcing their culture and identity on others. They are a fun loving people -- and matter of fact they are open for assimilation. I do not know what is happening in your Chitral / Quetta but here in India they are cool. So do not come in here and spread the usual BS which you always do. Since I have been posting here, all I here you say are your dumb assary hypothesis and figments of your disillusioned mind.

Such as:

1. Brahmins think they are Europid.
2. Europeans think Brahmins think they are Europid.
3. Indians think Brahmins are Europid.
4. Indians have an average look.
5. DNA sample is biased.
6. DNA articles are written by Brahmins so cannot be trusted.
7. Punjab nationalism here on ABF. [new one today].
8. Indians have a common look. INDIANASS, the term you coined.

How the hell, can you swipe of a huge span of people -- and paint them with your racial mindset. You even know what you are talking about, just going on and on. Or you love to get bitched out by forum members here, left-right-and-center. You are the only SA poster who brings up these words in posts: Hindu Nationalism, Caste, Dalit, Bias, Urine. Does not really put you in good light. All your theories above, are backed by zilch, but you still go on. Pakistani, no one here believes you, we just tolerate you. But all things end one day.


By the way, before you accuse me, I am not a Punjabi.

Indian punjabies make a very small part of india probably like 2%, so they can't really force any thing on others, In pakistan 50% of the population is punjabi

asingh
2012-02-13, 19:21
Indian punjabies make a very small part of india probably like 2%, so they can't really force any thing on others, In pakistan 50% of the population is punjabi

Then you have an racial ideology towards them, which is your issue. Do not classify it here on us members, or Punjabi's of Indian origin. Go to a Pashtun or Paki forum.

enkidu_
2012-02-13, 19:24
the indian punjabi nationalism is on this board

as for pakistan, it is clear punjab runs the show in pakistan, i mean 90% of the army is punjabi, what does that reflect? look what the punjabi army/military has done in Baluchistan, they have raped the land and look what they are doing in Fata killing innocent pashtuns for money from america

Punjabies have a very bad rep in pakistan, espeically now days. They are looked as sell outs to the nation. This is a fact, not to mention the cultural things like Heera Mandi, alcohol etc.. and many other non islamic practices which occur in punjab, which are influencing many parts of pakistan

also the azad kashmiries dont necessarily look 100% punjabi plains, they look different. They are a mountain people

Punjab doesn't run the show, it's a myth, there was some article which in fact showed that, in the world of politics, the ONLY politician who EVER mentioned 'Punjabi' in his speech was Nawaz Sharif, who, as you know, didn't have any success either and... ironically, sees himself as Kashmiri.
The Army is no more 90% Punjabi, it was the caste one or two decades ago, but nowadays you even have thousands of Baloch entering the Army, Balochis who, I agree, have suffered a lot from the corrupted politicians, but corrupted not because they were Punjabis, but just because they were bad to begin with, also hope you don't fall into this primitive racism, and don't equate Punjabi culture to Heera Mandi or alcohol, like some in Karachi say that Pashtuns are all into drug smuggling and whatnot.
And yeah they're corrupt as hell, but it's not because they're Pashtuns that they're sold, do you think that Zardari wouldn't have done the same thing if Punjabis happened to live in the borders with Afghanistan ? Don't think so.

If Punjabis didn't like Pashtuns, they wouldn't have been zamindars (landowners) in Mianwali, like Imran Khan's family.

Stop racializing everything.

To end it, I've been to different cities of Punjab over the years (Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, ...) and I can tell you that, if anything, Potoharis look some shades darker, but they're not THAT different looking, as compared to Pashtuns for instance.

pakistani
2012-02-13, 19:27
^ check your pm, I will send you a video

KavkazWarrior
2012-02-15, 03:50
I have a question about the women. What does the nose ring represent/symbolize? I've seen most Jatt women wear one but I haven't seen any of the men wear the same thing. Does it represent some sort of matriarchal system or tribal hierarchy? Thanks a lot.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4768576112_c6bd99802b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4768562818_944977d870_z.jpg



Oh and Mac, I found plently pictures of Jatts (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767997981/) by just doing a simple search, so not sure why you said there weren't any...

mac
2012-02-15, 03:56
I can't speak for Gujarat Jats because I honestly never heard anything about them. I don't even think they are specifically related to Jatts from Punjab, Haryana, etc. Their customs, culture and clothing seem completely different and foreign to anything I've seen.

Only a Jatt from India like Robbie S might have knowledge about it. However, to my knowledge, Gujarat Jats are different.

Anyways, this thread is focused on Punjabi and Haryanvi Jatts although a few Rajasthani or Uttar Pradesh ones have been posted. RobbieS, a Jatt from India (Punjab), commented that Jatts look different based on the state they are from.

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 04:08
I have a question about the women. What does the nose ring represent/symbolize? I've seen most Jatt women wear one but I haven't seen any of the men wear the same thing. Does it represent some sort of matriarchal system or tribal hierarchy? Thanks a lot.


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4768576112_c6bd99802b.jpg

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4768562818_944977d870_z.jpg



Oh and Mac, I found plently pictures of Jatts (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767997981/) by just doing a simple search, so not sure why you said there weren't any...

Did you read your link? So you are agreeing that these people are from Iran. Furthest thing from white.



Originally the Jats were herders who lived in an area called Half in Iran.

---------- Post added 2012-02-15 at 04:11 ----------


Punjab doesn't run the show, it's a myth, there was some article which in fact showed that, in the world of politics, the ONLY politician who EVER mentioned 'Punjabi' in his speech was Nawaz Sharif, who, as you know, didn't have any success either and... ironically, sees himself as Kashmiri.
The Army is no more 90% Punjabi, it was the caste one or two decades ago, but nowadays you even have thousands of Baloch entering the Army, Balochis who, I agree, have suffered a lot from the corrupted politicians, but corrupted not because they were Punjabis, but just because they were bad to begin with, also hope you don't fall into this primitive racism, and don't equate Punjabi culture to Heera Mandi or alcohol, like some in Karachi say that Pashtuns are all into drug smuggling and whatnot.
And yeah they're corrupt as hell, but it's not because they're Pashtuns that they're sold, do you think that Zardari wouldn't have done the same thing if Punjabis happened to live in the borders with Afghanistan ? Don't think so.

If Punjabis didn't like Pashtuns, they wouldn't have been zamindars (landowners) in Mianwali, like Imran Khan's family.

Stop racializing everything.

To end it, I've been to different cities of Punjab over the years (Lahore, Rawalpindi, Islamabad, ...) and I can tell you that, if anything, Potoharis look some shades darker, but they're not THAT different looking, as compared to Pashtuns for instance.


He is way past that stage. It was clever though to use pakistani as his username. Should have called himself Pashtunistan instead. It only took a while before his racism came out.

mac
2012-02-15, 04:29
Anyways, enough of this crap. Please only post pictures of people you can verify are Jatt. This includes Punjabi Jatts, Haryanvi Jatts, Rajasthani Jatts and Western Uttar Pradesh Jatts.

Divneet Wadhwa - Model

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091028/23/4ae934a22fbbc.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091123/23/4b0b8edd4b81a.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090904/18/4aa1c30ee710a.jpg

Dr. Meenakshi Wadhwa - Director of Arizona State University's Center for Meteorite Studies

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4057/4304462595_0499bc49f1_z.jpg

asingh
2012-02-15, 04:40
I have a question about the women. What does the nose ring represent/symbolize? I've seen most Jatt women wear one but I haven't seen any of the men wear the same thing. Does it represent some sort of matriarchal system or tribal hierarchy? Thanks a lot.

Welcome to the Jatt thread.

There is no way any of us can tell where those images are from, in the sense ethnicity. I am not even going to try, unless you give me the source links, or categorically mention they are xxxx,or yyyy. Just saying Jatt holds no water. And India being so diverse, seeing ethnic clothing it is difficult to get a region lock-down.

Nose Ring:
Women usually wear them after marriage.

1. Symbolizes they are married.
2. Property of husband.
3. That ring is her last resort. If Husband dies, she can sell it.

Does not show any hierarchy or matriarchal system.

KavkazWarrior
2012-02-15, 04:40
But I am posting pictures of Jatts... just because they're not models doesn't mean they're not people. :lol:

Anyway are you able to tell me what the nose/hair ring is for or not? As a Jatt you should know about them shouldn't you?

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4140/4767997981_e02d1e1909.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767997981/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767997981/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4767995245_9a9b6647ba.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767995245/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767995245/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4143/4767952405_1995410638.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767952405/)
Asia - India / Dhaneta Jat people (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767952405/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4099/4767908605_255271221d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767908605/)
Asia - India / Jats (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767908605/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4139/4767962029_b756684090.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767962029/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767962029/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4080/4768525006_21fe352d6d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768525006/)
Asia - India / Jath people (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768525006/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4768602026_96a5a410d9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768602026/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768602026/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4120/4768551998_046b2ca098.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768551998/)
Asia - India / Jats (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768551998/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

mac
2012-02-15, 04:44
Stop posting pictures of Gujarat Jats until RobbieS can confirm whether they are Jatts or not. Their clothing, style of dress and everything is alien to everything I've been exposed to.

Those hats the boys are wearing and nose rings are definitely not part of Punjabi, Haryanvi, Rajasthani, etc. Jatt culture. India, being such a large country, would have quite a bit of diversity but not complete and drastic changes within people of a similar ethnic background.

To top it off, they are just some pictures from flickr without any indication of their surnames. Everyone has posted full names of individuals until now. If you had done the same, there would be no problem.

Lastly, I have posted numerous pictures of non-models. Stop trolling my thread.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 04:49
those guys are jatts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats_of_Kutch

mac
2012-02-15, 04:51
those guys are jatts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats_of_Kutch

Everyone knows wiki is a terrible source. I looked at the links wiki provided and could come to no conclusion. Stop talking out of your ass as per usual pakistani.

Typical of you to support him though.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 04:53
Everyone knows wiki is a terrible source. I looked at the links wiki provided can could come to no conclusion. Stop talking out of your ass as per usual pakistani.

it;s not only on wikepdia, you can find many articles on those jatts of kutch on the net, stop denying the obvious. your jatt nationalism is clearly showing now, every one can see this :whoco:

for you there can't be no dark jatts lol

also it's not about support or not support, you are clearly lying and being bias in this thread, most people can see this

mac
2012-02-15, 04:56
it;s not only on wikepdia, you can find many articles on those jatts of kutch on the net, stop denying the obvious. your jatt nationalism is clearly showing now, every one can see this :whoco:

for you there can't be no dark jatts lol

Yes, but do those articles having indication of them being related to Punjabi and Haryanvi Jatts? If they do, please provide evidence.

I have no Jatt nationalism. It's not even a proper ethnicity you stupid fuck. Besides, there are tons of darker skinned Jatts. That has nothing to do with it but the fact that they are from Gujarat and seem to have drastic cultural differences from Jatts much further north.

I have repeated several times that you should post individual's full names with their pictures or not to bother posting at all.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 04:57
why do they have to related to Punjabi and Haryanvi Jatts? are they superior or some thing?

mac
2012-02-15, 05:00
why do they have to related to Punjabi and Haryanvi Jatts? are they superior or some thing?

Because if they aren't related, that would not make them the same ethnic group moron?

RobbieS, who is a Jatt from India, has stated that Jatts are concentrated in Pakistan/Indian Punjab, Haryana, Northern Rajasthan and Western Uttar Pradesh. He never mentioned Gujarat to my knowledge.

Anyways, I'm done with this. If you can't follow simple requests, pakistani, leave. You have your very own Iranic thread. KavkazWarrior (just a new account from a banned user) can continue to troll but I will no longer respond to his crap.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 05:05
the sindhis jatts are also very dark skinned, just check slide pictures below, this is from jatt welfare association of sindh: http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripwow/ta-0120-cce6-0803

^ I am sure Newtoboard looks similar to those sindhi jatts

KavkazWarrior
2012-02-15, 05:06
Haha so Mac you accuse me of being a racial supremacist on other threads yet here you are completely denying the existence of the Jatts who are living in Gujarat just because they don't fit in with your description of what a Jatt should look like. That's really sad man.

mac
2012-02-15, 05:10
RobbieS, can you clarify the situation of Gujarat Jats? There is a troll in here but I am no longer replying to his crap and he is on my ignore list.

RobbieS
2012-02-15, 05:28
I have never heard of Jatts of Sindh and Kutch untill I saw these pics here. These pics seem to be of the Kutch/Gujarat Jatts or Sindhi Jatts also known as the Indus Jatts and are predominantly Muslim. The distinctive headgear worn by the men in the pics is Sindhi and these folks are definitely Pakistani as I have never seen such a headgear worn by any Indian. Some of these Jatts also call themselves Jamote.

A quick search of their history suggests that they claim Syria to be their ancestral homeland, having been driven out by the Persian King. This is definitely different from other Jatts, who irrespective of their presence across the two Punjabs, Haryana, Rajasthan and UP claim Scythian origins and Central Asia as their original homeland.

Another thing that makes me cast my doubts over these Sindhi Jatts is their clan names. Their clan names, apart from Babbar are hardly similar to others found across Northern India and Pakistan. The common surnames found across the northern states and Pakistan suggest that they are inter-related but the Sindhi Jatt surnames are unheard of.

At this point I am more inclined towards assuming that these folks are called Jatts as a misnomer. Their location, clan names and relatively lower social status seems to be quite different from Jatts in other state. But I will need to read more before I can conclusively take a stand. They might be an early Scythian branch that broke off and came to be in the sub-continent via Syria in a roundabout way. But none of the Jatt sources mention this.

asingh
2012-02-15, 05:32
But I am posting pictures of Jatts... just because they're not models doesn't mean they're not people. :lol:

Anyway are you able to tell me what the nose/hair ring is for or not? As a Jatt you should know about them shouldn't you?

A. Thanks for posting images. But you should have researched well before posting them, or taking the links from your buddy Pakisani. Those are Kheda and Kutch Jatts. That is an indigenous group with a population around 24,000. They are distinctly separate from the Jatts of N/NW/NWFP of South India. They DO, trace back their lineage to the same group of people, as the thread here, but were pastoral in nature and are more inclined towards Muslim religion. They have been isolated and not related to the Jatts we are talking about here. But you posted them here, brings good flavor to the over all thread.

B. I told you about the nose ring.



it;s not only on wikepdia, you can find many articles on those jatts of kutch on the net, stop denying the obvious. your jatt nationalism is clearly showing now, every one can see this :whoco:

for you there can't be no dark jatts lol

also it's not about support or not support, you are clearly lying and being bias in this thread, most people can see this

Why did you not put them up earlier, and now, if there are MANY articles on the net. Of course, you are talking with a loaded gun, and it will not work. You are waco in the head. Of course there can be dark jats. Userwithoutname, posted we never argued. The only argument ever here, has been by YOU. None of us ever fight, but you come in here, and churn things up.


why do they have to related to Punjabi and Haryanvi Jatts? are they superior or some thing?
It is not about superiority, moron, just the placement of these people. You could say, original source was same, but over time they have been isolated. They are more like tribals. It is like saying Kalash people and all of South Pakistan are related.


Haha so Mac you accuse me of being a racial supremacist on other threads yet here you are completely denying the existence of the Jatts who are living in Gujarat just because they don't fit in with your description of what a Jatt should look like. That's really sad man.
They are different. You know nothing about them anyways. So stop being dumb.


those guys are jatts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats_of_Kutch
Did you read the whole page. It mentions they are different "They appear to be distinct from the Jat community of North India and Pakistan".

Read and post. You love getting horse whipped and then embarrassed.

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 05:32
But I am posting pictures of Jatts... just because they're not models doesn't mean they're not people. :lol:

Anyway are you able to tell me what the nose/hair ring is for or not? As a Jatt you should know about them shouldn't you?

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4140/4767997981_e02d1e1909.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767997981/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767997981/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4118/4767995245_9a9b6647ba.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767995245/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767995245/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4143/4767952405_1995410638.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767952405/)
Asia - India / Dhaneta Jat people (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767952405/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4099/4767908605_255271221d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767908605/)
Asia - India / Jats (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767908605/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4139/4767962029_b756684090.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767962029/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4767962029/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4080/4768525006_21fe352d6d.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768525006/)
Asia - India / Jath people (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768525006/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4768602026_96a5a410d9.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768602026/)
Asia - India / Jat people - tribe in Gujarat (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768602026/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4120/4768551998_046b2ca098.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768551998/)
Asia - India / Jats (http://www.flickr.com/photos/rudiroels/4768551998/) by Rudi Roels (http://www.flickr.com/people/rudiroels/), on Flickr

If we are to believe your link aren't these your people?


Originally the Jats were herders who lived in an area called Half in Iran.


Can't be white anymore then bro.

---------- Post added 2012-02-15 at 05:33 ----------


those guys are jatts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jats_of_Kutch

A population of 24,000 and yet they should be used as the representative of Jatts Maybe UP Pashtuns should be used as the representative of Pashtuns.

---------- Post added 2012-02-15 at 05:34 ----------


it;s not only on wikepdia, you can find many articles on those jatts of kutch on the net, stop denying the obvious. your jatt nationalism is clearly showing now, every one can see this :whoco:

for you there can't be no dark jatts lol

also it's not about support or not support, you are clearly lying and being bias in this thread, most people can see this

Do you know what nationalism means you stupid fuck?

There is no jatt country is there?

asingh
2012-02-15, 05:35
A population of 24,000 and yet they should be used as the representative of Jatts Maybe UP Pashtuns should be used as the representative of Pashtuns.

Thank you for reading the article, and pulling off relevant information vs. Googling and pasting link.

Thanks.

mac
2012-02-15, 05:35
Did you read the whole page. It mentions they are different "They appear to be distinct from the Jat community of North India and Pakistan".

Read and post. You love getting horse whipped and then embarrassed.

Nice find asingh. I was so distracted by that other troll that I didn't actually read the page completely. Pakistani's own page says they are a distinct and separate ethnic group and yet he argues otherwise. :lol:

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 05:40
the sindhis jatts are also very dark skinned, just check slide pictures below, this is from jatt welfare association of sindh: http://tripwow.tripadvisor.com/tripwow/ta-0120-cce6-0803

^ I am sure Newtoboard looks similar to those sindhi jatts

Link isn't even working.

Nothing wrong with being dark but you don't know what I look like so fuck off. And yes my skin pigmentation in a Western country will resemble that of farmers in the desert. Correct. I came from an urban karachi family so even my great grandparents didn't have that skin tone.

asingh
2012-02-15, 05:41
Nice find asingh. I was so distracted by that other troll that I didn't actually read the page completely. Pakistani's own page says they are a distinct and separate ethnic group and yet he argues otherwise. :lol:

What nice find man. It is simple. Once HAS TO read before posting links. It is obvious Pakistani, is feeding information to K.Warrior, since they have an agenda against you. Those people hardly look Jatt, and are tribals. It is like me picking up tribals from central India, and saying they are common phenotype for India. Not fair. Pakistani, tries this with his Pashtun/Kalash groups -- it will not work here for India.

Sorry.

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 05:42
Pakistani's research skills are limited to wikipedia. Biggest moron ever.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 05:42
well if they are calling themselves, they should be included in this thread

and also newtoboard is a sindhi jatt himself, so is he fake your telling me?

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 05:44
well if they are calling themselves, they should be included in this thread

and also newtoboard is a sindhi jatt himself, so is he fake your telling me?

Mac knows my clan name. And it is not one of those weird ones these Sindhi jatts have.

mac
2012-02-15, 05:46
well if they are calling themselves, they should be included in this thread

and also newtoboard is a sindhi jatt himself, so is he fake your telling me?

So if I call myself Italian, I should be included in a Italian thread, correct?

In regards to newtoboard, you don't know his actual ancestry (ie clan name, origin, etc.) in depth so you shouldn't comment.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 05:46
Mac knows my clan name. And it is not one of those weird ones these Sindhi jatts have.

Bullshit, I can bet you exactly look like them, you guys are just ashamed of your skintones

asingh
2012-02-15, 05:47
well if they are calling themselves, they should be included in this thread

and also newtoboard is a sindhi jatt himself, so is he fake your telling me?

They ARE NOW, in the thread, and I thanked K.Warrior for that. If you want, you can post them up in a more decent demure, and believe me, I will comment on them positively and research them out more. Even RobbieS did not know them, who is from some pind up in Punjab, you cannot get more JATT than that.

?

I did not know about the Onge Tribe before I came here. First time, I saw it, was ON YOUR thread, which you created. Am I a fake Indian. I did not know about Rajputs being across the border in Pakistan, am I a fake. It does not work like that man.

Put more images of Kutch Jatts in a healthy manner, the board will contribute back.

---------- Post added 2012-02-15 at 11:18 ----------


Bullshit, I can bet you exactly look like them, you guys are just ashamed of your skintones

Fuck you Pakistani. None of us are.

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 05:48
Bullshit, I can bet you exactly look like them, you guys are just ashamed of your skintones

Yes I look like and have the skintone of a farmer in Sindh. I never even said I was lightskinned. Just that I don't look like a farmer. They are obviously darker. I'm sure I'd look like them if I was poor and devoted my life to farming in the sun as opposed to living a nice lifestyle in a western country.

mac
2012-02-15, 05:49
Bullshit, I can bet you exactly look like them, you guys are just ashamed of your skintones

Pakistani, leave this thread already. I have asked you to do so before. You are hardly contributing in a positive manner.

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 05:50
But dude seriously fuck you asshole. Who are you to tell me what I am and what I look like? Mind your own business. Why are you so obsessed with South Asians? You post on these threads more than any of us do. For God's sake you were the first one to reply to the Indian y dna thread. It is of no significance to you. You truly are a little piece of shit internet warrior.

pakistani
2012-02-15, 05:59
But dude seriously fuck you asshole. Who are you to tell me what I am and what I look like? Mind your own business. Why are you so obsessed with South Asians? You post on these threads more than any of us do. For God's sake you were the first one to reply to the Indian y dna thread. It is of no significance to you. You truly are a little piece of shit internet warrior.

the only reason I am against nationalistic indians is you guys are known to spread false information on the internet, it is very clear, about yourself and also about other people

My hate for nationalistic indians started on Dna forums.com where morons like Parasar and Simirjitt were giving false information about Pashtuns.

asingh
2012-02-15, 06:05
the only reason I am against nationalistic indians is you guys are known to spread false information on the internet, it is very clear, about yourself and also about other people

What one sees in the mirror, they perceive others to be. Live with this mentality, and you will get you ass kicked daily, like it was handed to you today by 6-7 posters. K. Warrior is going to be banned soon, so enjoy the lone-warrior trail.



My hate for nationalistic indians started on Dna forums.com where morons like Parasar and Simirjitt were giving false information about Pashtuns.
Ya, and r1a1a, keeps you on 100% moderation. I wonder why...? Mmmmmm...

newtoboard
2012-02-15, 06:07
the only reason I am against nationalistic indians is you guys are known to spread false information on the internet, it is very clear.

My hate for nationalistic indians started on Dna forums.com where morons like Parasar and Simirjitt were giving false information about Pashtuns.

I'm not even Indian you moron. Sindh isn't in India, Kashmir is disputed territory and I don't even live in South Asia. I haven't even been to South Asia for that matter to even visit.

The accusations you throw out are ridiculous. First of all no such thing as Jatt nationalism. And how can someone be proud of being Jatt and be a nationalistic indian? Do you know any history?

Parsar changes his mind every 5 minutes. Who cares what he thinks? And simirjitts doesn't even post anymore. If you have an issue with that go to that forum and take it up with them. If you think Indian (and the white americans you accused) researchers are messing with dna or whatever take it up with them if you have evidence.

(I don't really give a shit about Pashtuns. I don't particularly like you guys or have anything against you. I don't spend every waking moment of my life thinking about Pashtuns the way you think about South Asians. I've met one in my entire life and could care less about him. Don't even remember his name. Kind of an irrelevant people for me.)

But don't fucking disrupt every South Asian thread on here and throw out stupid accusations.

RobbieS
2012-02-15, 06:12
Divneet Wadhwa - Model

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091028/23/4ae934a22fbbc.jpg



Mac, Wadhwas are Khatri, I think.

mac
2012-02-15, 06:16
Mac, Wadhwas are Khatri, I think.


http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Jatt

http://www.jatland.com/home/History_and_study_of_the_Jats/Chapter_10#W

Well, I'm not sure, they are listed as Jatt on both these links and enkidu also posted a Wadhwa guy much earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure they are Jatt but now you're saying they're not? I'm confused.

Perhaps, they are a clan name that overlaps with both Jatts and Khatris?

RobbieS
2012-02-15, 06:58
http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Jatt

http://www.jatland.com/home/History_and_study_of_the_Jats/Chapter_10#W

Well, I'm not sure, they are listed as Jatt on both these links and enkidu also posted a Wadhwa guy much earlier in the thread. I'm pretty sure they are Jatt but now you're saying they're not? I'm confused.

Perhaps, they are a clan name that overlaps with both Jatts and Khatris?

I am not sure if there are common clan names between Jatts and Khatris ala Jatts and Rajputs. I havent come across a Wadhwa Jatt Sikh yet, but this could be the first one. There are some sources which mention them to be Arora/Khatris though.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Indian_surnames_(Arora)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadhwa_Surname

mac
2012-02-15, 07:23
I am not sure if there are common clan names between Jatts and Khatris ala Jatts and Rajputs. I havent come across a Wadhwa Jatt Sikh yet, but this could be the first one. There are some sources which mention them to be Arora/Khatris though.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Indian_surnames_(Arora)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wadhwa_Surname

Neither of the sources seem very reliable. I really wish there was book or accurate doucment that provided surnames for the different tribes of Punjab or South Asia for that matter.

mac
2012-02-15, 08:34
Gagandeep Dosanjh - University of British Columbia Soccer Player

http://www.gothunderbirds.ca/images/2011/10/10/xsmall_104%20Gagan%20Dosanjh.JPG

http://club.whitecapsfc.com/files/Images/team/Gagandeep_Dosanjh.jpg


Staff of Sukhi Bath Motors - Used Car Dealership in Surrey

Some of the pictures aren't clear so I didn't use them. However, here is the link.

http://www.usedcarsandtrucksforsaleinsurrey.com/dealership/staff.htm

Umar Bajwa - Sales/Finance Consultant

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0681/9ae8e53e40463872017414c8c6db0985.jpg

Jeven Bath - Finance Mananger

https://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0925/9b56450640463872017414c8c149f1f3.jpg

Raj Bath - Finance Manager

https://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/1547/9b0e544340463872017414c8c5de3a14.jpg

Kulwinder Bhela - Sales/Financial Consultant

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0980/9ae60d6040463872017414c864c8cf94.jpg

Bobby Chahal - Sales/Finance Consultant

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0735/9aa3e7ac40463872017414c816b498b5.jpg

Gurinder Dhaliwal - Mechanic

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0569/9aee48ec40463872017414c87bfb14ab.jpg

Charanvir Dosanjh- Mechanic

https://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0698/9b057c7840463872017414c82d187bb3.jpg

Harjinder Johal - Service Manager

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/1653/99fbe95940463872017414c8a957861c.jpg

Harprit Khakh - Receptionist

https://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0021/9b1a13f840463872017414c815783355.jpg

Pardeep Khakh - Lot Personnel

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/0696/9aead72a40463872017414c82521d154.jpg

Moninder Sahota - Sales/Finance Consultant

http://pictures.dealer.com/s/sukhibathmotorstc/1946/9ae7843b40463872017414c81817bf0a.jpg

Other Jatts from dealership I didn't post due to low quality pictures:

Sukhi Bath - Founder and President

Kirtveer Bath - Vice President

Gursharn Nijjar - Finance Manager

asingh
2012-02-15, 08:36
^^
Check out some matrimonial site, and see what Wadhwa is listed under.

ducktard
2012-02-15, 08:40
Lol, I just found out that the average height of Jatt Sikhs was 170.4cm! I'm a whole 3cm's taller! :p

mac
2012-02-15, 08:43
Sadhika Randhawa - Actress

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/photo/8125392.cms

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_BNWg9z9-5SE/TJoFf0MBJ3I/AAAAAAAANKw/QdhNKF8pisI/sadhika-randhawa-simran-film-1.jpg

http://media.glamsham.com/download/picturegallery/events/meri-padosan-music/meri-padosan-music-06.jpg

http://www.bharatstudent.com/ng7uvideo/bs/gallery/normal/events/bw/2009/apr/meripadosanmusiclaunch/meripadosanmusiclaunch_014.jpg

---------- Post added 2012-02-15 at 00:44 ----------


Lol, I just found out that the average height of Jatt Sikhs was 170.4cm! I'm a whole 3cm's taller! :p

Where did you find that information? Do you have a source? That is only 5'7 or so. I would think the average would be closer to 5'9 but that's just my opinion.

ducktard
2012-02-15, 08:48
My friend quoted it from a source. I'll ask him for a link.

mac
2012-02-15, 09:00
^^
Check out some matrimonial site, and see what Wadhwa is listed under.

I tried. I think I found one Arora Wadhwa or something but that was after searching forever. However, I'm still not sure because most of the list of Jatt surnames I've seen include Wadhwa.

RobbieS
2012-02-15, 09:36
I have college seniors (Bhapa) and classmates as Wadhwa. All of them Arora Khatris. The Jatt encyclopedia did get this wrong I guess.

mac
2012-02-15, 09:40
I have college seniors (Bhapa) and classmates as Wadhwa. All of them Arora Khatris. The Jatt encyclopedia did get this wrong I guess.
You're most likely right. I asked my father and he wasn't sure either. I can't edit the picture out anymore but I'll let enkidu know.

RobbieS
2012-02-15, 09:50
Lol, I just found out that the average height of Jatt Sikhs was 170.4cm! I'm a whole 3cm's taller! :p

I am not sure if you can figure out the average height for Jatts Sikhs,. The only reliable data source is the Census, done every 10 years. But the census doesnt track caste/community based data, just religion and state wise info. It apparently tracked caste/community metrics last year but the data isnt out yet. So as of now we only have the height estimates for Sikhs or just the Punjab state for 2001. And empirical evidence suggests that for both these groups, the Jatts would be above average.

The 2001 census lists the Punjab as having the tallest average height at 168.6 cms followed closely by Kashmir and Kerala. Given that heights in India have shown an upward trend, the Punjab average must have hit 170 by now and hence the Jatts would be taller being above average in height.

mac
2012-02-15, 10:54
Deepak Grewal - Restaurant Owner from Vancouver


http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/images/stories/large/2011/04/02/DEEPAK+GREWAL_BUSINESS+OWER.jpg

Jaspaul Grewal - Lawyer from British Columbia (Canada)

http://www.maclg.com/site_assets/www.maclg.com/images/dynamic/Paul_Grewal.jpg

Pav Grewal - Some girl from Twitter

http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1686868754/385461_581555348193_193201996_32594880_1650037231_ n.jpg

Sanjay Grewal

http://www.ftconferences.com/event/images/269/gImage/0_Sanjay_Grewal.JPG?PHPSESSID=7e5e01613e8767455a29 2c8ffa40834d

userwithoutname
2012-02-15, 13:01
Chitrangada Singh, what is her background? She is actually good looking.

http://www.india-server.com/news-images/chitrangada-singh-39203.jpg

http://s.chakpak.com/se_images/955564_-1_564_none/chitrangada-singh.jpg

http://www.celebmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/0010_110930010636.jpg

ducktard
2012-02-15, 13:11
Link:
http://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/3190178/
Not sure if it's legit, though.

asingh
2012-02-15, 13:12
I think she is Rajput. I could be wrong here. But she married a Randhawa.

ducktard
2012-02-15, 13:14
I am not sure if you can figure out the average height for Jatts Sikhs,. The only reliable data source is the Census, done every 10 years. But the census doesnt track caste/community based data, just religion and state wise info. It apparently tracked caste/community metrics last year but the data isnt out yet. So as of now we only have the height estimates for Sikhs or just the Punjab state for 2001. And empirical evidence suggests that for both these groups, the Jatts would be above average.

The 2001 census lists the Punjab as having the tallest average height at 168.6 cms followed closely by Kashmir and Kerala. Given that heights in India have shown an upward trend, the Punjab average must have hit 170 by now and hence the Jatts would be taller being above average in height.

Kerala really is the third? What's the average height?

---------- Post added 2012-02-15 at 18:44 ----------

Wtf 11 guests?

userwithoutname
2012-02-15, 15:52
I think she is Rajput. I could be wrong here. But she married a Randhawa.

Seems like this is another group that gets crosslisted as Rajput and Jatt

Here's another hot, but not as hot, Randhawa

http://www.filmyfair.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jesse-randhawa02.jpg

asingh
2012-02-15, 16:04
^^
She is a proper Randhawa, and no doubt.

Remember once upon a time, I told you to watch a movie "Gulaal". She is in that....!

userwithoutname
2012-02-15, 16:24
I don't watch Indian movies. I dated a girl with whom I exchanged favorite movies with, she gave me "Salaam Namaste" and I gave her "Cidade de Deus (city of god)". Needless to say, we were not compatible, lol.

A pale faced Jatt, Simran Kaur Mundi

http://blog.cinefolks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Simran_Kaur_Mundi_300.jpg

http://www.cinemaaajtak.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Simran-Kaur-Mundi-Hot-Exposing-At-Bonsaii-Kids-Store-Launch-New-Images-4.jpg

Commie Jatt, Harpal Brar

http://www.cpgb-ml.org/images/gallery/12.jpg

Boring
2012-02-15, 22:51
I think she is Rajput. I could be wrong here. But she married a Randhawa.

She's a hindu jat from meerut in UP, who married a sikh Jatt

mac
2012-02-15, 23:13
VJ Balhara - New Delhi based designer

http://f-armory.com/images/designer-profile/vj_balhara_0933492001321287701_img.jpg

Amin Dhillon - Miss India Canada (Been posted before but more natural picture)

http://www.amindhillon.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Amin-Dhillon-Miss-India-Canada-Runner-up-photo-1.jpg

Jessica Dhillon - Model

http://sinemera.com/medias/person/p_449994.jpg

Puneet Dhillon - Tennis player at the University of Scranton

http://matrix.scranton.edu/athletics/womens/tennis/images/dhillon.JPG

Veir Dhillon - Model from Mumbai

http://lovellprabhu.com/images/male/83201B.jpg

Vik Dhillon - Professor of Astrophysics at the University of Sheffield

http://www.shef.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.14401!/image/dhillon.jpg

enkidu_
2012-02-15, 23:16
VJ Balhara - New Delhi based designer

http://f-armory.com/images/designer-profile/vj_balhara_0933492001321287701_img.jpg

Looks a lot like Arjan Bajwa (already posted):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/26298_377051181052_686496052_4398574_6938282_n.jpg

asingh
2012-02-16, 04:28
She's a hindu jat from meerut in UP, who married a sikh Jatt

Kewl. Thanks.

mac
2012-02-16, 04:54
Randeep S. Kahlon - Medical Doctor and President of Medical Society of the University of Delaware

http://www.udel.edu/udaily/2012/nov/images/dr_kahlon_180w.jpg

Rosie Kahlon - Some girl from Twitter

http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/1282313745/IMG_1819.JPG

Walid Kahlon

http://www.temmler.eu/wps/tp/show/en/1386/Walid_Kahlon

Harjinder Kandola - Solicitor from UK

http://www.solicitors-in-shrewsbury.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Harjinder-Solicitor-in-Shrewsbury-198x300.jpg

Karen Kandola - Some girl from Twitter

http://img.getglue.com/avatar/karen_kandola/large_tile.jpg

Satinderjit Nijjar

http://download.exploretalent.com/media445/0004450150/0004450150_SM_1287305942.jpg

Jasvinder Sanghera - Woman in UK who fled her home town to escape an arranged marriage.

http://www.itv.com/lorraine/joinintheconversation/jasvinder-sanghera/41d06194-86e1-4b9c-94b6-046377177798/PreviewFile.jpg.ashx?q=90&v=1&w=640&h=360

Neetu Sanghera - Small time actress from UK

http://www.equity.org.uk/public/images/2726.jpg

pakistani
2012-02-16, 05:13
mac, i dont think you should be posting people's pics from twitter, I mean do they even know you are posting their pics here? this could be a privacy breach

mac
2012-02-16, 05:15
mac, i dont think you should be posting people's pics from twitter, I mean do they even know you are posting their pics here? this could be a privacy breach

I don't know any of them but once a picture is on the internet and can be googled without intentionally searching for the individual, it shouldn't be a problem unless they request it to be removed.

Also, pictures were taken from Twitter so many pages back. Why did you fail to mention it earlier if it bothered you?

Also, taken from wiki regarding internet privacy in the case of Twitter.


Twitter and Internet Privacy Twitter’s privacy policy states that information is collected through their different web sites, application, SMS, services, APIs, and other third parties. When the user uses Twitter’s service they consent to the collection, transfer, storage, manipulation, disclosure, and other uses of this information. In order to create a Twitter account, one must give a name, username, password, and email address. Any other information added to one’s profile is completely voluntary.

A picture of yourself would seem to be included as something voluntary.

newtoboard
2012-02-16, 05:26
mac, i dont think you should be posting people's pics from twitter, I mean do they even know you are posting their pics here? this could be a privacy breach

Its allowed moron.

---------- Post added 2012-02-16 at 05:29 ----------


Looks a lot like Arjan Bajwa (already posted):

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/26298_377051181052_686496052_4398574_6938282_n.jpg

Interesting. I expected their noses to be longer

pakistani
2012-02-16, 06:00
^ no its not you stupid idiot, it's like taking some one's facebook pic and posting it here. I am sure if I message them, they would probably report this thread to police

mac
2012-02-16, 06:04
^ no its not you stupid idiot, it's like taking some one's facebook pic and posting it here. I am sure if I message them, they would probably report this thread to police

I researched it a bit. Once your picture is on the internet and you have given the public access to it, there is not much you can do.

So unless you know the ins and outs of American/Canadian/British privacy policies regarding online social websites or have some source to back yourself up, be quiet. I even posted Twitter's privacy policy for you.

Report the thread to the police? If you messaged them? Is that a threat? :lol:

Edit: Also, none of the pictures are copyrighted like some professional photographers do. I am also not getting any monetary benefit through their use.

newtoboard
2012-02-16, 06:08
^ no its not you stupid idiot, it's like taking some one's facebook pic and posting it here. I am sure if I message them, they would probably report this thread to police

Seriously you stupid fuck just shut up. Mac looked it up. You haven't cited any laws or privacy policies. When will you stop being a whiny bitch?

mac
2012-02-16, 06:23
Harj Sanghera - Some girl from Twitter

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1721503210/Snapshot_20111225_10_20_2_.jpg

Jasvinder Sanghera - Reposting her since the link above seems to have died.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2011/8/4/1312475658144/Jasvinder-Sanghera-campai-007.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eucXILfI5Yg/S50B4O_h8eI/AAAAAAAAAG8/YkDcUNvtBcw/s400/025.jpg

Jay Sanghera - Some guy from Twitter

http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/340953311/n21006655_37437227_1023.jpg

Mesha Toor - Canadian Model

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dJ32wgDsoyU/S_rSb9rDwJI/AAAAAAAAAC4/iUIAKqLas9A/s320/Slide1.jpg

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNzUwNzc1OTc3NF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNzE4MTI5Ng@@._ V1._SX540_SY720_.jpg

KavkazWarrior
2012-02-16, 06:27
Are all Jatts punjabis or can some be from other groups? Is Jatt an ethnicity or religion?

newtoboard
2012-02-16, 06:33
Are all Jatts punjabis or can some be from other groups? Is Jatt an ethnicity or religion?

Neither. Some Jatts are Punjabi, some are haryanavi, some are Sindhi, some are from UP, some are Mirpuri. Some are hindu, some are muslim and some are sikh.

mac
2012-02-16, 06:50
Here some models specifically from the website modelmayhem.com

Jaspal Bains

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111128/04/4ed3793b3db15.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111128/04/4ed3787c94deb.jpg


Misha Bains

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110827/10/4e5929be32ea5.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110829/05/4e5b8889ab6b2.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110827/10/4e592a36a855f.jpg


Jag Basra

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120202/09/4f2ace145f833.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110622/05/4e01e46a4d171.jpg


Jasneet Bassi

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110519/11/4dd55b718eba5.jpg

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Cimryn Bhullar

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http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111129/20/4ed5aecd91a50.jpg


Rick Bhullar - Professional Commercial Dancer and Model

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080911/19/48c9ad33af7aa.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100524/12/4bfad759bbfd3.jpg


Cam Chahal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111029/14/4eac744a21c72.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111012/18/4e963e1bcd7a7.jpg


Simran Deol

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110119/20/4d37b44a4f053.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080410/12/47fe3981f1a89.jpg


Jay Dhaliwal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120103/15/4f0392b1499bd.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110120/08/4d3861f96fea6.jpg


Japinder Dhillon

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110128/21/4d43aa272cdb0.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110128/21/4d43aa3f40b03.jpg


Ash Grewal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111115/12/4ec2d03681d7d.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110917/19/4e755a2f7d9b4.jpg


Manu Grewal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100127/15/4b60d343a02ae.jpg

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Aran Heer

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Anita Heer

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Ali Sandhu - (originally from Pakistan)

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100525/11/4bfc188b6ba89.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100821/07/4c6fe4aacc9cb.jpg


Mequell Sandhu

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/081120/00/4924f43069d1e.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/081019/23/48fbfd40bcd1b.jpg


Arshdeep Sidhu

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091002/06/4ac5f9cf75643.jpg

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Roopkamal Sidhu

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100812/21/4c64c5b932bfe.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100812/21/4c64c753d94c1.jpg


Sarah Sidhu - Model

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110713/10/4e1dd6cbc0f7e.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110331/20/4d95431890390.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110402/13/4d978778af3a0.jpg


Sonia Sidhu

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100201/04/4b66cc3dee57b.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091128/17/4b11ca4ea4755.jpg


Bhavneet Toor - Model

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111130/22/4ed71c0cf1522.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111130/11/4ed687a7d5d04.jpg

mac
2012-02-16, 08:10
Neither. Some Jatts are Punjabi, some are haryanavi, some are Sindhi, some are from UP, some are Mirpuri. Some are hindu, some are muslim and some are sikh.

You spelled Haryanvi wrong mate but some Jatts are from far Northern Rajasthan and Rajasthani areas that border Haryana as well. However, I think most Jatts are in Punjab or they are the most vocal about being Jatt at least. At least the Indian Punjabi ones.

Also, I don't really count Mirpuri or Pothohari Jatts as another group different from Punjabi Jatts. They speak a dialect of Punjabi and have almost identical cultures to other Punjabis. They are just a bit more backwards or more into their village life.

RobbieS
2012-02-16, 08:38
Almost all Jatts can be broadly classified into two linguistic groups - Hindi speaking and Punjabi speaking. Religion wise - Hindu, Muslim and Sikh.

mac
2012-02-16, 09:18
Almost all Jatts can be broadly classified into two linguistic groups - Hindi speaking and Punjabi speaking. Religion wise - Hindu, Muslim and Sikh.

I agree but have some questions.

Punjabi Jatts - Punjabi language

Haryanvi Jatts - Haryanvi/Hindi language but maybe some Punjabi in Northern Haryana

Uttar Pradesh (Western) - Hindi

Rajasthani Jatts - Rajasthani? Punjabi? Hindi?

Sindhi Jatts - Sindhi?



Do Rajasthani Jatts speak Punjabi? I thought I remember you mentioned they are originally from Southern Punjab areas or something? That or they live very close to the border?

Also, Mirpuri and Pothohari Jatts essentially speak Punjabi so you're right there.

However, I have another question. Are there Jatts in western and southwestern Himachal Pradesh near the Punjab border? Specifically, in areas like Chamba, Kangra, Una and Bilaspur? Also, are the people in these districts ethnically very similar to most other Punjabis?

I know they speak Kangri in Kangra which is very closely related to Punjabi and was once classified as a dialect of Punjabi.

Also, most of Himachal Pradesh is Pahari (various dialects) and Hindi speaking right?

RobbieS
2012-02-16, 10:37
I agree but have some questions.

Punjabi Jatts - Punjabi language

Haryanvi Jatts - Haryanvi/Hindi language but maybe some Punjabi in Northern Haryana
Jatts in northern Haryana pick their mother tongue based on their religion. Jatt Sikhs speak Punjabi while Hindu Jatts speak Haryanvi. There are villages with mixed populations and both groups more or less comprehend and speak each other's language but with varied proficiency. One of my close friends, a Jatt Sikh had his Pind near Sirsa, Haryana and we were amazed to see how well he could converse in Haryanvi with his Haryanvi Jatt schoolmates.



Rajasthani Jatts - Rajasthani? Punjabi? Hindi?

Do Rajasthani Jatts speak Punjabi? I thought I remember you mentioned they are originally from Southern Punjab areas or something? That or they live very close to the border?

Similar to the case for Haryana. Jatt Sikhs, mostly found in Northern Rajasthan areas like Ganganagar, Suratgarh etc use Punjabi as their mother tongue but can speak local dialects of Hindi called Bagri. Whereas Hindu Jatts in Rajasthan, found towards Eastern Rajasthan, away from Sikh Jatts areas speak dialects of Hindi. As far as I know, there isnt co-habitaion of Hindu and Sikh Jatts in Rajasthan.


Sindhi Jatts - Sindhi?
I think so.



However, I have another question. Are there Jatts in western and southwestern Himachal Pradesh near the Punjab border? Specifically, in areas like Chamba, Kangra, Una and Bilaspur? Also, are the people in these districts ethnically very similar to most other Punjabis?

Yes, there are Hindu Jatts in the low lying areas of HP bordering Punjab districts of Rupnagar, Hoshiarpur etc. I recently came to know about them at another forum. Ethnically they are very similar to Punjabi Jatts and have surnames like Sandhu, Chahal etc but diiferent from most other Jatts of these surnames across the state borders, these are Hindus. But their language can be classified as a dialect of Punjabi itself, as you mentioned.


I know they speak Kangri in Kangra which is very closely related to Punjabi and was once classified as a dialect of Punjabi.

Also, most of Himachal Pradesh is Pahari (various dialects) and Hindi speaking right?

Many scholars classify Western Pahari spoken in HP as a dialect of Punjabi and the Eastern Pahari spoken in Uttrakhand as a dialect if Hindi. I have met people from Kangra, Chamba etc and their language resembles Punjabi more than Hindi.

asingh
2012-02-16, 10:46
Also, most of Himachal Pradesh is Pahari (various dialects) and Hindi speaking right?

Not disagreeing with the group here, but Himachali people would have Kumaoni and Hindi as a meter, and Uttranchal Pahari's would use Garwahli and Hindi.

Mista_Justicia
2012-02-16, 10:54
You spelled Haryanvi wrong mate but some Jatts are from far Northern Rajasthan and Rajasthani areas that border Haryana as well. However, I think most Jatts are in Punjab or they are the most vocal about being Jatt at least. At least the Indian Punjabi ones.

Also, I don't really count Mirpuri or Pothohari Jatts as another group different from Punjabi Jatts. They speak a dialect of Punjabi and have almost identical cultures to other Punjabis. They are just a bit more backwards or more into their village life.

I really question some Mirpuri Jatts and their claim to being Jat full stop!
They are a confused bunch, many of em refer to themselves as Kashmiris because they live in Mirpur lol, pathetic

mac
2012-02-16, 11:01
Jatts in northern Haryana pick their mother tongue based on their religion. Jatt Sikhs speak Punjabi while Hindu Jatts speak Haryanvi. There are villages with mixed populations and both groups more or less comprehend and speak each other's language but with varied proficiency. One of my close friends, a Jatt Sikh had his Pind near Sirsa, Haryana and we were amazed to see how well he could converse in Haryanvi with his Haryanvi Jatt schoolmates.

I see. Do Sikh Jatts in Haryana see them selves closer to Punjabi or Haryanvi Jatts then?



Similar to the case for Haryana. Jatt Sikhs, mostly found in Northern Rajasthan areas like Ganganagar, Suratgarh etc use Punjabi as their mother tongue but can speak local dialects of Hindi called Bagri. Whereas Hindu Jatts in Rajasthan, found towards Eastern Rajasthan, away from Sikh Jatts areas speak dialects of Hindi. As far as I know, there isnt co-habitaion of Hindu and Sikh Jatts in Rajasthan.

Similar to the first question, do those from Ganganagar, Suratgarh, etc. consider themselves closer to Sikh Jatts in Firozpur and Muktsar districts in Punjab rather than Hindu Jatts in Eastern Rajasthan? Do they also see themselves as Punjabi rather than Rajasthani? I would think so but I'm not sure. I have also heard people mention that the original Khalistan included parts of Northern Rajasthan along with the rest of Greater Punjab. However, that's another story.

I also found out recently that my first cousin on my maternal side is engaged to a Sikh Jatt originally from Rajasthan. I assume he is from one of those districts like Ganganagar or Hanumangarh. He is a doctor who works out of Chicago. She is a doctor as well. Both finished residency relatively recently.



I think so.

Newtoboard should know since his paternal ancestry is Sindhi Jatt.




Yes, there are Hindu Jatts in the low lying areas of HP bordering Punjab districts of Rupnagar, Hoshiarpur etc. I recently came to know about them at another forum. Ethnically they are very similar to Punjabi Jatts and have surnames like Sandhu, Chahal etc but diiferent from most other Jatts of these surnames across the state borders, these are Hindus. But their language can be classified as a dialect of Punjabi itself, as you mentioned.

I see. They are ethnically and culturally similar but religious differences separate them. Most of them are probably Kangri speakers but possibly other Pahari dialects close to Punjabi. I also found out relatively recently that Dogri was considered a Punjabi dialect before.




Many scholars classify Western Pahari spoken in HP as a dialect of Punjabi and the Eastern Pahari spoken in Uttrakhand as a dialect if Hindi. I have met people from Kangra, Chamba etc and their language resembles Punjabi more than Hindi.

It makes sense. Asingh mentioned before that those in eastern Himachal Pradesh are ethnically and culturally close to the neighboring people in Uttrakhand so it makes sense their languages would be close as well.

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Not disagreeing with the group here, but Himachali people would have Kumaoni and Hindi as a meter, and Uttranchal Pahari's would use Garwahli and Hindi.


I'm guessing Eastern Himachalis use Kumaoni which is more similar to Hindi while like RobbieS mentioned that Western Himachalis speaker dialects closer to Punjabi rather than Hindi. Does that sound right?

enkidu_
2012-02-16, 12:02
Are all Jatts punjabis or can some be from other groups? Is Jatt an ethnicity or religion?

Caste-distribution can be seem complicated for non-South Asians, but in a nutshell : all Punjabis are not Jatts, and all Jatts are not Punjabis, and even amongst Jatts there are differences by region, the ones from Haryana I think genetically the most 'West Asian' (this lad (http://content7.flixster.com/photo/12/97/91/12979113_ori.jpg), this one (http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/62431_154699974552081_154538724568206_375580_81884 76_n.jpg), this model (http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/gawrav/XzGjOkdzTGnTMtdpG43Y5s5edgXS4AHp19Thv17OjyMJoHbO5o ZEHvG9neBU/confident_man_with_strong_angu.jpg) or this actor (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--8mlI0tU2Dw/TlIprmEOZDI/AAAAAAAAABo/mpBQoWl1-o0/s320/mohit.jpg) are Hayanvi Jatts) whereas the ones from Rajasthan (this cricketer (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nc1cvuKRuOI/TS6lxU8VtEI/AAAAAAAAAfQ/LErZ7kexZxs/s1600/Deepak%2BChahar.jpg)) or Uttar Pradesh (these old gentlemen (http://static.jatland.com/w/images/7/7a/Jat_chaupal.JPG)) can be dark-sinned, though showing sharp facial features.
So, Jatts, geographically, are traditionally situated in North India and Pakistan, though of course found today elsewhere for diverse reasons (economic migrants, etc)

I, for one, don't think that there's a major difference between Jatts and other 'upper castes' individuals (like Rajputs), but anyway, Sikhs have proportionally a lot of Jatts, so when you see a Sikh there are more chances that he's Jatt than not.
A lot - not all, I think the figures are around 60-65% - of these guys are surely Jatts:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY0q2NnFDbc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANm2NFisHqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rs0KwwNAZs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNqA847vGTk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uso29TXpr34&feature=related

Take a look at this thread too:

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=11588

@Indians: not pro-Khalistan, but the YouTube channels of the guys have a lot of interesting material for purely anthropological reasons. :p

mac
2012-02-16, 12:18
Caste-distribution can be seem complicated for non-South Asians, but in a nutshell : all Punjabis are not Jatts, and all Jatts are not Punjabis, and even amongst Jatts there are differences by region, the ones from Haryana I think genetically the most 'West Asian'


I assume your comment about being more "West Asian" or ANI is based on the Harappa Ancestry Project. Yes, there were a few % point in differences between the tested Punjabi Jatts and Haryanvi Jatts with 2 (correct me if I'm wrong) of the Haryanvi having 2-3% higher components of ANI but with such a small sample size and the populations being relatively similar, I'd think you would find that Punjabi Jatts on average aren't any less or more ANI than their Haryanvi counterparts.

However, what was interesting was that the Haryanvis had elevated Northern Euro components with the Punjabis having more of other types of West Eurasian influence.

However, we definitely need much more than 3 and 6 individuals respectfully to infer more definitive conclusions.

nousername
2012-02-16, 12:24
i dont know how to put pics on here but check out the links below. The first is the current PM of Azad Kashmir, Abdul Majeed. Hes a Jatt from Chackswari near Mirpur.

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.103390986433217.3858.103384686433847&type=3

and the second guy is Captain Safraz who lost to Abdul Majeed, this guy is a Bhainse Rajput from Chackswari/Mirpur. theres one of when he was younger.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Capt-retd-Mohammad-Sarfraz-Khan/156173917779886?sk=photos

asingh
2012-02-16, 12:34
If I were to do a phenotype comparison, I would put the Jatts to be more robust Indid vs. Rajputs being gracile Indid. But this can change for areas like Rajasthan, where even the Rajputana people are robust and Brachid, with the high headedness in the upper cranial structure. I think there is less Weddiod in both groups, and the upper nose bridge is prominent, and not much flare in the lower nasal. Rajputs of upper North, not NW/NWFP might at times show Sinid relieve in the eye orbits. Jatts probably would not. Jatts, also might show Cro-Magnid influence on the jaw-line. Again this is speculation and personal recollection, nothing scientific.

mac
2012-02-16, 13:01
A few more individual from modelmayhem.com:

Jagjit Athwal - Originally from India

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110103/23/4d22d0c612b8d.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110103/23/4d22cf8a4697f.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110103/23/4d22ce5088265.jpg


Gagan Jagpal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110317/17/4d82a0e560eb6.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110317/17/4d82a47a01a41.jpg


Mia Kahlon

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080229/13/47c853e92fcd1.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/080119/17/4792763c19884.jpg

Dee Mundi

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091110/17/4afa0fae93474.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091110/17/4afa0f91a3eca.jpg


Simi Nagra

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100308/17/4b95a27f7bc97.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100515/18/4bef4a6f61ee4.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101203/13/4cf95b4835dc1.jpg


Simi Nijjar

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090802/14/4a76083382274.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090818/04/4a8a9113a8143.jpg


Nauraj Pannu

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/060731/22/44cecade9c02d.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/060731/22/44cec5032e790.jpg


Indie Rai

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110225/11/4d68038e6adf7.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110225/11/4d68048dcb891.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110225/11/4d6805e0a8fab.jpg


Reena Rai

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/101028/13/4cc9e1faca54b.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/090602/14/4a259f8f5f16c.jpg


Nikkipreet Sahota

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100224/03/4b850b4405de4.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/091106/10/4af46b3c993ab.jpg


Sandy Sahota

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120204/00/4f2cedfb89c49.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/120204/00/4f2ced442dece.jpg


Jaz Sohal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/111020/09/4ea04fad18d16.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110801/07/4e36b92cc13df.jpg

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/110426/08/4db6e7369f93d.jpg


Ricky Uppal

http://photos.modelmayhem.com/photos/100705/10/4c320fc746d15.jpg

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If I were to do a phenotype comparison, I would put the Jatts to be more robust Indid vs. Rajputs being gracile Indid. But this can change for areas like Rajasthan, where even the Rajputana people are robust and Brachid, with the high headedness in the upper cranial structure. I think there is less Weddiod in both groups, and the upper nose bridge is prominent, and not much flare in the lower nasal. Rajputs of upper North, not NW/NWFP might at times show Sinid relieve in the eye orbits. Jatts probably would not. Jatts, also might show Cro-Magnid influence on the jaw-line. Again this is speculation and personal recollection, nothing scientific.


What do you mean more robust Indid? Like Nord-Indid or Indo-Brachid? I'm not 100% familiar with classifications. Also, I thought Punjabi men in particular were heavily Nord-Indid (Sikhs in particular) with the women being mostly Gracile-Indid. The rest being mixes of Nord-Indid, Indo-Brachid and Gracile-Indid. I think Vasishta mentioned some Iranid influence before in Sikhs but it being mostly negligible.

Agree about the Cro-Magnid influence. I've seen many Jatts in my family with massive jawlines. I have what most would call a "masculine" jawline but not particularly massive.

enkidu_
2012-02-16, 13:20
Jagjit Athwal looks a bit weird in the pictures, like - sorry - a tranny :lol:
I guess that's for these mysterious 'photo-shoot aesthetic reasons', looks different IRL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuCzgpavRfA&t=59s

About the Haryanvi Jatts, I mentioned genetics but shouldn't have really done, my point was that all Jatts don't look the same, and that the Jatts in this thread happen to be from Punjab and, in some degrees, Haryana, but Jatts elsewhere can look some shades darker for instance, for purely climatic reasons.
Anyway, about Jatt repartition:


There is estimate of about 33 million population of Jats. Main concentration is in North West India. Other than India they are distributed in Pakistan, Balochistan, NWFP etc.

Professor B.S. Dhillon, states by taking population statistical analysis into consideration the Jatt population growth of both India and Pakistan since 1925, Professor Quanungo's figure of nine million could be translated into a minimum population statistic (1988) of 30 million.

According to earlier censuses, the Jatt or Jat people accounted for approximately 25% of the entire Sindhi-Punjabi speaking area, making it the one of "largest single socially distinctive group" in the region.

http://static.jatland.com/w/images/b/b0/Jat_distribution.gif

http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Belt

asingh
2012-02-16, 15:03
What do you mean more robust Indid? Like Nord-Indid or Indo-Brachid? I'm not 100% familiar with classifications. Also, I thought Punjabi men in particular were heavily Nord-Indid (Sikhs in particular) with the women being mostly Gracile-Indid. The rest being mixes of Nord-Indid, Indo-Brachid and Gracile-Indid. I think Vasishta mentioned some Iranid influence before in Sikhs but it being mostly negligible.

By robust I mean, the bone structure on the face is pronounced. Punjabi men cannot be "heavily Nord-Indid", but can be Nord-Indid. Gracile would be softer features, with not so much bone structure visible, or highlighted.



Agree about the Cro-Magnid influence. I've seen many Jatts in my family with massive jawlines. I have what most would call a "masculine" jawline but not particularly massive.
True, but the jaw line arch is there, or visible more.

userwithoutname
2012-02-16, 16:18
Are various Jat clans even related to one another? What about Rajputs? You all seem obsessed with this question of west asian ancestry, but what about that basic question of their interrelationships?

RobbieS
2012-02-16, 17:22
I see. Do Sikh Jatts in Haryana see them selves closer to Punjabi or Haryanvi Jatts then?

Religion and language turn out to be the stronger bonds here. Marriage relations between Hindu and Sikh Jatts are almost unheard of while Jatt Sikhs in Haryana regularly marry with folks in Punjab.

Actually, northern Haryana is very Punjabi dominated linguistically and culturally. So uptill Sirsa, its Punjab for all practical purposes, further till Hisar less so with more villages of Jaats and less of Jutts (as the pronounciation varies :)). Beyond Hisar, its all Jaat land. Meham, Rohtak, Jhajjar etc are Jaat strongholds. Similarly on Haryana's eastern border uptill Ambala its mostly Jutt Sikhs, Jagadhari less so and beyond Sonepat Jaat villages start again.




Similar to the first question, do those from Ganganagar, Suratgarh, etc. consider themselves closer to Sikh Jatts in Firozpur and Muktsar districts in Punjab rather than Hindu Jatts in Eastern Rajasthan? Do they also see themselves as Punjabi rather than Rajasthani? I would think so but I'm not sure. I have also heard people mention that the original Khalistan included parts of Northern Rajasthan along with the rest of Greater Punjab. However, that's another story.

If one's a Jatt Sikh, he's bound to identify more as a Punjabi. In fact most of Jatt Sikhs in N. Raj areas have settled there leaving their ancestral pinds behind in Punjab. Mostly due to economic pressures and the fact that Raj land was very cheap but so was the quality of soil and its produce. But things have changed. I know many folks who bought large tracts of land in Raj and are now settled there for good. Some still maintain their links with the old Pinds while some have entirely sold off their old lands. 9/10 these are people from Muktsar, Firozpur, Malout, Abohar areas.


I also found out recently that my first cousin on my maternal side is engaged to a Sikh Jatt originally from Rajasthan. I assume he is from one of those districts like Ganganagar or Hanumangarh. He is a doctor who works out of Chicago. She is a doctor as well. Both finished residency relatively recently.

I bet if you'd ask your soon to be bro-in-law's family, they could tell you their original village in Punjab :)




I see. They are ethnically and culturally similar but religious differences separate them. Most of them are probably Kangri speakers but possibly other Pahari dialects close to Punjabi. I also found out relatively recently that Dogri was considered a Punjabi dialect before.

I dont know if their dialect can be called anything other than Punjabi. Areas like Solan, Bilaspur, Baddi are very close to Punjab and people there speak Pujabi more or less. Maybe further up the ranges one would find Kangri speakers.


It makes sense. Asingh mentioned before that those in eastern Himachal Pradesh are ethnically and culturally close to the neighboring people in Uttrakhand so it makes sense their languages would be close as well.

Another interesting fact for you. The border region of HP and Uttarkhand, situated in relatively plain area is also inhabited by Jatt Sikhs. Paonta Sahib is the place and most are into farming.

Further eastwards in lower Kumaon, there are numerous Jatt SIkh villages in the Baazpur, Rudrapur belt of Uttarakhand. This is the area around the famous Corbett National Park. They even named the district as Shaheed Udham S. Nagar and have the own Jatt Sikh local rep in state assembly. Asingh can attest this.



I'm guessing Eastern Himachalis use Kumaoni which is more similar to Hindi while like RobbieS mentioned that Western Himachalis speaker dialects closer to Punjabi rather than Hindi. Does that sound right?
Yup.

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Are various Jat clans even related to one another? What about Rajputs? You all seem obsessed with this question of west asian ancestry, but what about that basic question of their interrelationships?

Some are inter-related. For eg. the Sidhus and Brars. The latter are supposedly an offshoot of the former so some orthodox folks desist from marrying into each other. There would be others, I am sure.

asingh
2012-02-16, 18:40
Another interesting fact for you. The border region of HP and Uttarkhand, situated in relatively plain area is also inhabited by Jatt Sikhs. Paonta Sahib is the place and most are into farming.

Yups, Ponta Sahib is the border, we use it when from the Northern side of Uttranchal we want to traverse Chandigarh side. It is technically the point where Punjab starts....!



Further eastwards in lower Kumaon, there are numerous Jatt SIkh villages in the Baazpur, Rudrapur belt of Uttarakhand. This is the area around the famous Corbett National Park. They even named the district as Shaheed Udham S. Nagar and have the own Jatt Sikh local rep in state assembly. Asingh can attest this.

Ya, there was a big rukus when Uttranchal was being carved out, where Uddam Singh Nagar should be placed. It is primarily Jatt/Sikh, when Uttranchal was supposed to be for Kumaoni/Garwhali people.


@userwithoutname:
Well the Rajputs are inter-related, and are supposed to be able to trace back patrilineal line. As a rule they do not marry within the same gotra, due to considering "same blood". A Shikhawat would never marry within a Shikhawat. And also, some castes do not give guys, but take girls from the opposite side. I think Chauhans do not marry into Bhanj, but would take brides from there.