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I've become fascinated with Afro Latino music, so now I want to know about African influenced carnivals and parades. Also is the Brazilian Rio de Janeiro partly Afro influenced?
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btw is Carnival the right word?
^ It's Carnival. And it's not specifically Afro-Latino.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=insw8jnQK7Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHXOLKU3J_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm0dZzcCO3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKQZXFWngtk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S7gVradVCo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnyhIImmaB8
Really? Some of the dances resemble African dances especially in Congo.
And are they Native influenced? The headdress reminded me of a Native styled headdress.
Very nice! so elaborate.
Really? Some of the dances resemble African dances especially in Congo.
And are they Native influenced? The headdress reminded me of a Native styled headdress.
Very nice! so elaborate.
:lol: you're definitely an Afram....I can tell you're not used to seeing stuff like this. Outside the US, the diaspora have a lot of heavily West & West Central African derived traditions.
A perfect example is "Punta", not Afro-"Latino", but Afro-Amerindian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fKVYiXpq9w
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 02:09
Fiestas de Loiza Aldea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPCnx-GXs4M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IeCH9U2GhQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GprotRjo8Z8
:lol: you're definitely an Afram....I can tell you're not used to seeing stuff like this. Outside the US, the diaspora have a lot of heavily West & West Central African derived traditions.
A perfect example is "Punta":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fKVYiXpq9w
lol nope. Well then again, Caribbeans have done parades and carnivals around. My city had these parades but they weren't the same at all, I wish they were though.
But umm.... I asked about African influenced stuff, so why did you say it wasn't if it was. Sorry, but my mind is blown!:whoco:
btw that punta was straight up African! I've seen the same thing from Burkinabes. And danggg that little girl had more rythm than me lol !!!
lol nope. Well then again, Caribbeans have done parades and carnivals around. My city had these parades but they weren't the same at all, I wish they were though.
But umm.... I asked about African influenced stuff, so why did you say it wasn't if it was. Sorry, but my mind is blown!:whoco:
You specifically said Afro-Latino, not African or Afro-diasporan
Fiestas de Loiza Aldea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPCnx-GXs4M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IeCH9U2GhQ&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GprotRjo8Z8
In the last video, what is that horse looking thing that the man is in? Reminds me of the donkeys and horses they use in Chinese carnivals.
oh and side note, this PR girl said that mos Puerto Ricans will identify as White even if they are brown skin? They prefer a white identity. Do you agree?
btw that punta was straight up African! I've seen the same thing from Burkinabes. And danggg that little girl had more rythm than me lol !!!
LOL that's from an Afram POV...The language has nothing to do with Africa
Other examples:
(At 0:25) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZ_cuQ4KeM
(The whole thing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz2r4HHvkOo&feature=related
(The whole thing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_uwi5ipE8&feature=related
You specifically said Afro-Latino, not African or Afro-diasporan
oh yea, i did say African influenced but I do mean in Latin America. I would change the title to make it broader to the Diaspora, but maybe that should be a separate thread. hmm....
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LOL that's from an Afram POV...The language has nothing to do with Africa
Other examples:
(At 0:25) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WZ_cuQ4KeM
(The whole thing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz2r4HHvkOo&feature=related
(The whole thing) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv_uwi5ipE8&feature=related
yeaaa still highly Afro influenced although it obviously have other influences as well. Seems to be influenced by its Eastern neighbors, is that true?
jonboyclem
2012-02-03, 02:34
I'm jealous of the Carnivals that goes on in the Caribbean and Latin America. There is Mardi Gras which is kind of a Carnival, but it looks so subdued compared to the Caribbean carnivals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldjg_sH_ArY
I'm jealous of the Carnivals that goes on in the Caribbean and Latin America. There is Mardi Gras which is kind of a Carnival, but it looks so subdued compared to the Caribbean carnivals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldjg_sH_ArY
that's true. I guess its because the difference in cultural influences. It doesn't have the same African/Indigenous punch you know? But the LA creoles with their music and festivals are very unique from the rest of us lol. so it's still so intriguing to me.
yeaaa still highly Afro influenced although it obviously have other influences as well. Seems to be influenced by its Eastern neighbors, is that true?
Well duh!!! Garifuna drums are West/West Central African in origins, maybe some of the food, & like 3/4's of our DNA :lol:
What does "Eastern neighbors" mean? Do you mean Belizean/Kriol-influenced? Because that is a reality .
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I'm jealous of the Carnivals that goes on in the Caribbean and Latin America. There is Mardi Gras which is kind of a Carnival, but it looks so subdued compared to the Caribbean carnivals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldjg_sH_ArY
So true, I'd honestly rather go to Caribana in Toronto or Trini Carnival (next week!). Also Labor Day in Brooklyn!
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 02:44
Garifuna is West African dances but indigenous culutre and language, Afro-Rican is more Afro/Euro(African dancing but Euro culture and language with some Arawak(Buren)
pgbk, I mean it sounds influenced by the Spanish speaking countries nearby I had Costa Rica in my mind. But now thinking it sounds more like the Spanish Caribbean. What is the drum used by the Garifuna people called?
Jibarodepr, that was a clear breakdown. by Euro you mean Spanish right?
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 02:50
Jibarodepr, that was a clear breakdown. by Euro you mean Spanish right?Yes, Spanish. ;)
Garifuna are the result of intermarriage of West Africans with Kalinago(Carib Indians)
Yes, Spanish. ;)
Garifuna are the result of intermarriage of West Africans with Kalinago(Carib Indians)
Yes I caught some of that in Pgbk's Garifuna threads ;) I just thought I saw more Afro influence in them than anything else but then again, I don't know much about the Kalinago.
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 03:01
Yes I caught some of that in Pgbk's Garifuna threads ;) I just thought I saw more Afro influence in them than anything else but then again, I don't know much about the Kalinago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carib_people
pgbk, I mean it sounds influenced by the Spanish speaking countries nearby I had Costa Rica in my mind. But now thinking it sounds more like the Spanish Caribbean. What is the drum used by the Garifuna people called?
:lol: You just picked a random country there Awall:p...Costa Ricans don't really have distinctive music to call their own. Mestizo Central Americans aren't known for there musical styles lol
Well Punta is uptempo (130-165 bpm) and they use real instruments. I've heard a couple Soca and Merengue songs with rhythms that sound similar, but I haven't ever heard anything that legitimately sound's like Punta.
The bass drum is the "Segunda" and the small snare drum is the "Primera". In Garifuna, drum is "Laru beya". There is a huge drum you hit with a stick called the "Kureilau".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carib_people
Thanks.
oh and any responses to my question : this PR girl said that most Puerto Ricans will identify as White even if they are brown skin? They prefer a white identity. Do you agree?
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 03:05
The Puntas I have heard sound like an Africanized Merengue.
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Thanks.
oh and any responses to my question : this PR girl said that most Puerto Ricans will identify as White even if they are brown skin? They prefer a white identity. Do you agree?They say it as saying they aren't Black, but I think they know they aren't pure white.
:lol: You just picked a random country there Awall:p...Costa Ricans don't really have distinctive music to call their own.
Well Punta is uptempo (130-165 bpm) and they use real instruments. I've heard a couple Soca and Merengue songs with rhythms that sound similar, but I haven't ever heard anything that legitimately sound's like Punta.
The bass drum is the "Segunda" and the small snare drum is the "Primera". In Garifuna, drum is "Laru beya". There is a huge drum you hit with a stick called the "Kureilau".
Wow! really? A random country? I've heard their music before. Idk their spanish influenced music could be detected a little in the Belizean music imo. It's like a Spanish/Afro/Indig type of thing. or like I said, Spanish Caribbean.
I'm starting to like Punta though! Where does the names come from, what language? Was that the music in the first three carnival vids you posted? if not can you find it in a parade or carnival vid for me ;)
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The Puntas I have heard sound like an Africanized Merengue.
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They say it as saying they aren't Black, but I think they know they aren't pure white.
oh ok. She made it sound like they prefer Whiteness and Euro pheno.
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 03:10
It seems to be Spanish, Punta means(point)
It seems to be Spanish, Punta means(point)
Laru beya" and "Kureilau"?
jibarodepr
2012-02-03, 03:14
That sound French
]The Puntas I have heard sound like an Africanized Merengue.
To me, Merengue's rhythm is a little "stiffer". Punta is polyrhythmic, and the two drums play off of one another.
Laru beya" and "Kureilau"?
I told you, they mean "Drum", and "Stick Drum" in Garifuna. And no it is not "French" :lol:
Wow! really? A random country? I've heard their music before. Idk their spanish influenced music could be detected a little in the Belizean music imo. It's like a Spanish/Afro/Indig type of thing. or like I said, Spanish Caribbean.
I'm starting to like Punta though! Where does the names come from, what language? Was that the music in the first three carnival vids you posted? if not can you find it in a parade or carnival vid for me ;)[COLOR="Silver"]
Yes it was random Awall, admit it:p. Central American Mestizos don't really have a music style to call their own. It's the Afro-groups that have created the musical styles.
No Soca is Carnival music throughout the Caribbean, not Punta. Punta is party and traditional music from coastal Belize, northern Honduras and Livingston, Guatemala.
Punta comes from the circular motion you use to jirate your hips from one "point" (in Spanish). In Garifuna it is also called "Kuliau"
abenjaldún
2012-02-03, 10:33
Brazilian Carnival is a vulgarity...
To me, Merengue's rhythm is a little "stiffer". Punta is polyrhythmic, and t
he two drums play off of one another.
I told you, they mean "Drum", and "Stick Drum" in Garifuna. And no it is not "French" :lol:
Yes it was random Awall, admit it:p. Central American Mestizos don't really have a music style to call their own. It's the Afro-groups that have created the musical styles.
No Soca is Carnival music throughout the Caribbean, not Punta. Punta is party and traditional music from coastal Belize, northern Honduras and Livingston, Guatemala.
Punta comes from the circular motion you use to jirate your hips from one "point" (in Spanish). In Garifuna it is also called "Kuliau"
Oh I didn't understand.so the Lang is garifuna.
Yes whatever lol. Sounded almost similar to me. Theafram pov I guess.it just sounds so familiar.
Haha I see. So always at a party with punta music,girls dance this way?
YeahISaidIt
2012-02-03, 20:40
Brazilian Carnival is a vulgarity...
Anything non-white is vulgar to you. GTFOH
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oh ok. She made it sound like they prefer Whiteness and Euro pheno.
They do. Little do they know many Spaniards look down on them. What a sad people.
Oh I didn't understand.so the Lang is garifuna.
Yes whatever lol. Sounded almost similar to me. Theafram pov I guess.it just sounds so familiar.
Haha I see. So always at a party with punta music,girls dance this way?
Yes to practically everything :lol:
Rio Carnival is awesome!!!!!!!
http://carnaval2010.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/273.jpg
Maroon King
2012-02-03, 23:49
:lol: You just picked a random country there Awall:p...Costa Ricans don't really have distinctive music to call their own. Mestizo Central Americans aren't known for there musical styles lol
Well Punta is uptempo (130-165 bpm) and they use real instruments. I've heard a couple Soca and Merengue songs with rhythms that sound similar, but I haven't ever heard anything that legitimately sound's like Punta.
The bass drum is the "Segunda" and the small snare drum is the "Primera". In Garifuna, drum is "Laru beya". There is a huge drum you hit with a stick called the "Kureilau".
True story, not to knock them but I don't know of the first mestizo music genre in Central America :|
True story, not to knock them but I don't know of the first mestizo music genre in Central America :|
Me neither :lol:
Maroon King
2012-02-04, 00:00
Me neither :lol:
Even Kilo talking about they be bumping Dominican bachata all day nowadays. Why? Because they don't have their own music?
omm 'e m.e.r.d.a.
2012-02-04, 00:15
oh yea, i did say African influenced but I do mean in Latin America. I would change the title to make it broader to the Diaspora, but maybe that should be a separate thread. hmm...
You should, I wanted to do a thread in the human diversity section about Afro-creole people and culture. Creolized African descendants (including Aframs) are all around the world now and have had great influences on culture and art, and they are quite similar in many respects regardless of nationality.
Even Kilo talking about they be bumping Dominican bachata all day nowadays. Why? Because they don't have their own music?
Not all Latin-American countries do and I think it is very common for Latino countries to listen to the music of another. It's not a big deal they listen to bachata at all
Not all Latin-American countries do and I think it is very common for Latino countries to listen to the music of another. It's not a big deal they listen to bachata at all
True, but we are speaking about the lack of musical creativity of Mestizo Central Americans, and that Afro-Central Americans have created all Central American musical genres.
omm 'e m.e.r.d.a.
2012-02-04, 00:43
They say it as saying they aren't Black, but I think they know they aren't pure white.
I group of Afro-Puerto Ricans came to the school I use to work at about a year ago. The school had a majority Mexican population in terms of student, by their were about two or 3 Puerto-Ricans who happened to be "darker" (looked at least 40% African, prob more) and the people who came were fairly foreign it seemed because they didn't speak much English and I wasn't shocked exactly that the music they performed came off as very African influenced. I never asked how they identified but I couldn't imagine them saying "white" after explaining the African origin of the music they performed. Not to mention they all looked more stereotypically "African" than I do, of course I know they may identify differently there.
jibarodepr
2012-02-04, 02:36
I group of Afro-Puerto Ricans came to the school I use to work at about a year ago. The school had a majority Mexican population in terms of student, by their were about two or 3 Puerto-Ricans who happened to be "darker" (looked at least 40% African, prob more) and the people who came were fairly foreign it seemed because they didn't speak much English and I wasn't shocked exactly that the music they performed came off as very African influenced. I never asked how they identified but I couldn't imagine them saying "white" after explaining the African origin of the music they performed. Not to mention they all looked more stereotypically "African" than I do, of course I know they may identify differently there.The girl awall mentioned was not Afro-Rican, I responded to Awall post, afro-Rians have a diferetn identity themselves.
Maroon King
2012-02-04, 02:54
Not all Latin-American countries do and I think it is very common for Latino countries to listen to the music of another. It's not a big deal they listen to bachata at all
Ok but what is a Central American mestizo genre though? All the Central American music I know is Afro. ...
The Puntas I have heard sound like an Africanized Merengue.
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They say it as saying they aren't Black, but I think they know they aren't pure white.
To me, Merengue's rhythm is a little "stiffer". Punta is polyrhythmic, and the two drums play off of one another.
Punta and Merengue have the same Afro source, hence why the rythms soudn similar. Merengue has the same communication as Punta, its just slower, but merengue is highly polyrythmic and complex, its just that the person does all the talking on one drum, vs a 2 or 3 drum complex. But when you hear the rythms talking you will notice both talk polyrythmically. However Punta is more directly comparable to Dominican Palo which uses multiple drums like punta to create a complex polyrthm and its also usually very fast.
The closest genre to Punta is actually Puertorican Bomba, i hasve seen punta personally and i even played one time with a group, playing around , turnrs out the rythm they taught me i already knew! Because it was the same rythm i learnt in Bomba! a Rythm called Franceh. Also one of the other drums was playing the same rythm played on one of the palo drums in D.R. Seems to be alot of cross-island connections with African based rythms. But Bomba aproximates Punta the most, also because dancers are marked by the highest pitched drum in Both Punta and P.R Bomba. The difference is P.R bomba is highly French-Antilllean ifnluenced while Punta has direct African and Native influence. Although i have heard there where Haitians in Garifunaland.
Maroon King
2012-02-04, 03:29
Punta and Merengue have the same Afro source, hence why the rythms soudn similar. Merengue has the same communication as Punta, its just slower, but merengue is highly polyrythmic and complex, its just that the person does all the talking on one drum, vs a 2 or 3 drum complex. But when you hear the rythms talking you will notice both talk polyrythmically. However Punta is more directly comparable to Dominican Palo which uses multiple drums like punta to create a complex polyrthm and its also usually very fast.
The closest genre to Punta is actually Puertorican Bomba, i hasve seen punta personally and i even played one time with a group, playing around , turnrs out the rythm they taught me i already knew! Because it was the same rythm i learnt in Bomba! a Rythm called Franceh. Also one of the other drums was playing the same rythm played on one of the palo drums in D.R. Seems to be alot of cross-island connections with African based rythms. But Bomba aproximates Punta the most, also because dancers are marked by the highest pitched drum in Both Punta and P.R Bomba. The difference is P.R bomba is highly French-Antilllean ifnluenced while Punta has direct African and Native influence. Although i have heard there where Haitians in Garifunaland.
By Garifunaland are you talking about St. Vincent?
By Garifunaland are you talking about St. Vincent?
I mean all the nations where garifunas reside, Honduras, and Belize
Maroon King
2012-02-04, 03:38
I mean all the nations where garifunas reside, Honduras, and Belize
Haitians in Honduras? :confused:
Haitians in Honduras? :confused:
It is a rumor, but there is a historic occurence of this 'allmost" happening, atleast in text it says these Haitians where not accepted.
Even when there was not a revolt the white settlers were scared that one would develop, so they kept what they called dangerous slaves away from the settlement. In 1791 the settlers were said to be "panic struck" when a French ship carrying over 200 rebels from Saint Domingue (Haiti) arrived. It was decided that "they should not be permitted to land so infectious a cargo". In 1796 the Belize Magistrates prohibited the landing of five Jamaican slaves who were suspected of having been Maroons, and in 1800 a Public Meeting discussed the settlers' "apprehension of internal convulsion and the horrors of Saint Domingo" happening in Belize.
Maroon King
2012-02-04, 03:49
^ Speaking of Haiti did you take the ride over?
The closest genre to Punta is actually Puertorican Bomba, i hasve seen punta personally and i even played one time with a group, playing around , turnrs out the rythm they taught me i already knew! Because it was the same rythm i learnt in Bomba! a Rythm called Franceh. Also one of the other drums was playing the same rythm played on one of the palo drums in D.R. Seems to be alot of cross-island connections with African based rythms. But Bomba aproximates Punta the most, also because dancers are marked by the highest pitched drum in Both Punta and P.R Bomba. The difference is P.R bomba is highly French-Antilllean ifnluenced while Punta has direct African and Native influence. Although i have heard there where Haitians in Garifunaland.
Agreed. with the first statement. :lol: The second bolded has no merit Lemba. No Haitians in Central america bro:p
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It is a rumor, but there is a historic occurence of this 'allmost" happening, atleast in text it says these Haitians where not accepted.
Is this source credible?
True story, not to knock them but I don't know of the first mestizo music genre in Central America :|
You are right but what about south american mestizos??
I guess Mexico has been the only country with mestizos having a genre of their own.
Blacks latinos have done a great job with latin american music
and Belize with punta
jibarodepr
2012-02-04, 04:38
Jibaro music is also of mestizo origin(the african instruments is more recent)
abenjaldún
2012-02-04, 10:53
Anything non-white is vulgar to you. GTFOH
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They do. Little do they know many Spaniards look down on them. What a sad people.
You are a bit misinformed...
Carnival is an European invention.
And not at all, nothing to do. Vulgarity is vulgarity wherever it takes place.
The D.R and Haiti have many African influenced Carnivals, but in general if you want to find very strong African links you need to look at the music that is directly linked to the religosity. Although generally Carnival music has some of this, generally it doesnt have as much. A good Example of a Carnival of African influenced in Haiti and now the D.R via Haitians is Rara/Gaga, this is very popular in all parts of the island where there is sugar cane, and Rara has been featured in popular Dominican music (Mambo Gaga), and has been featured in a few movies in the past such as "4 hombres y aun Ataud", and in Music videos such as Juan Luis Guerra "Pedir Su mano".
Dominican Music has other African based genres, in reality. Merengue is definetely one of them, but due to Merengue being created as Secular music it has lost some of its Afro/Catholic religious signifiance, although its not rare to haer merengue played in Fiesta de Palos which is the Dominican equivalenet of Vodoun. There are Palo like variants in the island in many places of the island, this depends on the African ethnic groups present.
Gaga/Rara Documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgLxsoCRVfU&feature=related
Contemporary Gaga in D.R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2W4IaMTRRRI
Fiesta de Palo in Cotui, D.R (The dancing is a bit exagarated by the man, but its something like this in the east and parts of the eastern cibao)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ_Lwk1X89E&feature=related
Fiesta de Palo in Sombrero Bani,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbmQ_T2vX0c&context=C34c32ccADOEgsToPDskISOUdnDeiNdbQWmtcm2noR
Fiesta de Palo in Tamayo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHU-SrzhVbo&feature=related
Fiesta de Palo in Piedra Blanca, Bonao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AGGFJfWtoo&feature=related
Fiesta de Palo in SFM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNUbtWFkBBM
Bambula in Samana (Music that is a blend of Afro-Creole New Orleans circa 1800s ppl + Dominican Paleros )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp_STgnNM9A
Sarandunga in Bani (Music of African brotherhoods in Bani, D.R)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS0ldLMP2yg
Congos of Villa Mella
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R38SP1VhTVY
Maroon King
2012-02-04, 15:06
Agreed. with the first statement. :lol: The second bolded has no merit Lemba. No Haitians in Central america bro:p
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Is this source credible?
Not true, there's documentation of Haitians in PTY !!!!
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You are right but what about south american mestizos??
I guess Mexico has been the only country with mestizos having a genre of their own.
Blacks latinos have done a great job with latin american music
and Belize with punta
South American Mestizos do have their own music, at least in Colombia they do.
Isn't Cumbia of Colombian Mestizo origin?
Isn't Cumbia of Colombian Mestizo origin?
Nope, Afro-Native
Nope, Afro-Native
It's Zambo then.
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Nope, Afro-Native
It's Zambo then.;)
What is colombian mestizo music?
:lol: you're definitely an Afram....I can tell you're not used to seeing stuff like this. Outside the US, the diaspora have a lot of heavily West & West Central African derived traditions.
A perfect example is "Punta", not Afro-"Latino", but Afro-Amerindian:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fKVYiXpq9w
Is this really true? And what's the reason, I mean they were brought to the Americas under the same ''conditions'', so to speak..
What is colombian mestizo music?
I'm not entirely sure, I would find that breakdown of music a bit awkward. Where does it stop being mestizo?
The most well known Colombian musical genres are:
-Cumbia
-Vallenato
-Salsa
There's an accordian involved in Cumbia and Vallenato, and Salsa contains influences of various origins. I'd say they reflect the people, where the majority may be pred. of one ancestry, but commonly other ancestries are involved.
Similar to how our national music, Merengue, has influences of mulitple origin.
Cumbia, Vallenato and Salsa are afro-influenced, though. Isn't it the same case with Central-America?
I guess only mexico has true mestizo music lol
Cumbia, Vallenato and Salsa are afro-influenced, though. Isn't it the same case with Central-America?
I guess only mexico has true mestizo music lol
I honestly don't know of a musical genre from Central America Mestizos:confused:
jibarodepr
2012-02-05, 02:07
Salsa probably is also Zambo, as you can see the guiro and maracca(Taino) on it also, but I haven't seen any Euro instrument on it.
Is there any distinguishable of their
Music still existing?
Maroon King
2012-02-05, 15:17
Isn't Cumbia of Colombian Mestizo origin?
Cumbia is tri-ethnic.
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What is colombian mestizo music?
Musica Guasca.
Mire ve http://youtu.be/d9FyQKyLaJg
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I'm not entirely sure, I would find that breakdown of music a bit awkward. Where does it stop being mestizo?
The most well known Colombian musical genres are:
-Cumbia
-Vallenato
-Salsa
There's an accordian involved in Cumbia and Vallenato, and Salsa contains influences of various origins. I'd say they reflect the people, where the majority may be pred. of one ancestry, but commonly other ancestries are involved.
Similar to how our national music, Merengue, has influences of mulitple origin.
Vallenato, the way it's sung has its origins on the plantations from the slavery days, the way Africans used to sing away their hardships. Vallenato is like Colombian Blues per say. The accordion is of course European. The gaita in those genres are of course Indigenous and the drums are of course African. Salsa to me is more like Afro-Euro music because I do not see much Indigenous elements in it. No gaitas in Colombian Salsa!
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Salsa probably is also Zambo, as you can see the guiro and maracca(Taino) on it also, but I haven't seen any Euro instrument on it.
LOL what are you talking about? Trumpets and pianos are Euro :lol:
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I've become fascinated with Afro Latino music, so now I want to know about African influenced carnivals and parades. Also is the Brazilian Rio de Janeiro partly Afro influenced?
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btw is Carnival the right word?
San Pacho Carnaval held in Quibdo, Choco annually. This is an example of a Black Catholic festival as it's supposed to be for Saint Pacho.
http://youtu.be/Jni7CKJHPJI
http://youtu.be/YqGbGDHlXSE
http://youtu.be/nuWk8MJ2waw
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 00:38
LOL what are you talking about? Trumpets and pianos are Euro :lol:
Butnot traditional euro like guitar, cuatro or anything like, I count them as modern isntrument, not euro ones.
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 08:26
Butnot traditional euro like guitar, cuatro or anything like, I count them as modern isntrument, not euro ones.
This coming from you, a Rican who has never eaten bacalaitos, go figure.
moonlight
2012-02-06, 10:04
Jíbaro trumpets are not modern
The earliest trumpets date back to 1500 BC and earlier. The bronze and silver trumpets from Tutankhamun's grave in Egypt, bronze lurs from Scandinavia, and metal trumpets from China date back to this period.[2] Trumpets from the Oxus civilization (3rd millennium BC) of Central Asia have decorated swellings in the middle, yet are made out of one sheet of metal, which is considered a technical wonder.[3] The Moche people of ancient Peru depicted trumpets in their art going back to 300 AD.
Piano
the invention of the modern piano is credited to Bartolomeo Cristofori (1655–1731) of Padua, Italy, who was employed by Ferdinando de' Medici, Grand Prince of Tuscany, as the Keeper of the Instruments. He was an expert harpsichord maker, and was well acquainted with the body of knowledge on stringed keyboard instruments. It is not known exactly when Cristofori first built a piano. An inventory made by his employers, the Medici family, indicates the existence of a piano by the year 1700; another document of doubtful authenticity indicates a date of 1698
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 12:43
This coming from you, a Rican who has never eaten bacalaitos, go figure.Trying to troll? ;)
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Jíbaro trumpets are not modern
PianoThey aren't traditional.
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 13:58
Trying to troll? ;)
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They aren't traditional.
Not trying to troll, you said one time that you never ate bacalaitos.
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 14:05
Not trying to troll, you said one time that you never ate bacalaitos.I used too, but now not that much, which is not never, but that I don't do eay them that much.
San Pacho Carnaval held in Quibdo, Choco annually. This is an example of a Black Catholic festival as it's supposed to be for Saint Pacho.
http://youtu.be/Jni7CKJHPJI
http://youtu.be/YqGbGDHlXSE
http://youtu.be/nuWk8MJ2waw
Maroon, I actually have heard of San Pacho before. Isn't it like one of the biggest Africanlatino carnivals or the most popular pred Afro carnival? What about the music, is that also using African influenced instruments?
Jibarodepr, sorry about the other quoted message. What I was trying to say was, is there any uniquely Taino musical instruments and songs still existing in PR?
Not trying to troll, you said one time that you never ate bacalaitos.
I used too, but now not that much, which is not never, but that I don't do eay them that much.
Fishcakes are made through the Caribbean. Conch Fritters are WAY better :D
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 14:15
Jibarodepr, sorry about the other quoted message. What I was trying to say was, is there any uniquely Taino musical instruments and songs still existing in PR?Guro, maracca and nayohuacan are unique Taino isntruments, then there is the Areyto, who is the Taino song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzJNwBK3Dxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3W-5W8WAt0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOcApDmz_TA&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPfYK47I1eo&feature=related
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 14:20
Fishcakes are made through the Caribbean. Conch Fritters are WAY better :D
Where did that quote come from? lol, Thats teh first time I saw him admit it.
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 14:22
Where did that quote come from? lol, Thats teh first time I saw him admit it.Admit what?
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 14:23
Fishcakes are made through the Caribbean. Conch Fritters are WAY better :D
EDIT: He just admitted it. my wife eats that salt fish stuff I don't, it stinks to high heaven.
EDIT: He just admitted it. my wife eats that salt fish stuff I don't, it stinks to high heaven.
You're supposed to soak it fam....And boil it...At least that's what Belizeans do. Anybody eating it straight up is a weirdo :lol:
Now with Conch, you can eat that raw if you want to, but it's better prepared :D
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 15:10
You're supposed to soak it fam....And boil it...At least that's what Belizeans do. Anybody eating it straight up is a weirdo :lol:
Now with Conch, you can eat that raw if you want to, but it's better prepared :D
I don't eat any pork and my wife does soak and boil it but the smell before that is powerful enough to make me not want to et it.
I don't eat any pork and my wife does soak and boil it but the smell before that is powerful enough to make me not want to et it.
:whoco: Nobody said anything about pork....It's not a norm for you. Do you know what a Conch is? There are things that you might like that I might find nasty. Where's your wife from?
:whoco: Nobody said anything about pork....It's not a norm for you. Do you know what a Conch is? There are things that you might like that I might find nasty. Where's your wife from?
First time I had conch and some other fish was when a bryozoan woman made it for us. I can't even explain how good it was. She could cook!
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Guro, maracca and nayohuacan are unique Taino isntruments, then there is the Areyto, who is the Taino song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzJNwBK3Dxo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3W-5W8WAt0&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOcApDmz_TA&feature=related)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPfYK47I1eo&feature=related
Exactly what I was expecting. I like the songs. They have an indigenous touch still which reminds me of south America a little
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 16:51
:whoco: Nobody said anything about pork....It's not a norm for you. Do you know what a Conch is? There are things that you might like that I might find nasty. Where's your wife from?
My wife is of Martinican descent.
El Andullero
2012-02-06, 18:32
I used too, but now not that much, which is not never, but that I don't do eay them that much.
Did you get tired of them or something? Personally, I could eat them every day, and that wouldn't be enough for me to put them out of my favorites list.
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 19:13
Did you get tired of them or something? Personally, I could eat them every day, and that wouldn't be enough for me to put them out of my favorites list.is that I prfer to eat amarillos, otostones or "corn beef"rather than bacalaitos.
First time I had conch and some other fish was when a bryozoan woman made it for us. I can't even explain how good it was. She could cook!
WTF is a Bryozoan? Awall you are one of a kind....:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryozoa
My wife is of Martinican descent.
I find it ironic that you're so Afro-centric but your wife is a mulatta :lol:
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is that I prfer to eat amarillos, otostones or "corn beef"rather than bacalaitos.
Do you guys east corn beef with rice? Belizeans love that.. I personally don't eat mammals
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 20:11
Do you guys east corn beef with rice? Belizeans love that.. I personally don't eat mammalsYes, why not, and mostly when you mix up the corn beef with the rice, making it delicious. ;)
(We originally pu tit separate on the plate, some eat it separate, others eat it all mixed up)
Yes, why not, and mostly when you mix up the corn beef with the rice, making it delicious. ;)
(We originally pu tit separate on the plate, some eat it separate, others eat it all mixed up)
I used to love it, but I only eat seafood and birds since I was 19
jibarodepr
2012-02-06, 20:16
I used to love it, but I only eat seafood and birds since I was 19I also eat bird, the chicken, and also eat some tilapia, salmon and setí.
Game Theory
2012-02-06, 21:05
I find it ironic that you're so Afro-centric but your wife is a mulatta :lol:
My wife considers herself black and is more "Afrocentric" than I am. A mulatta is a mule to her.
My wife considers herself black and is more "Afrocentric" than I am. A mulatta is a mule to her.
My lady calls herself as Biracial. She even pronounces it "Mule-atta" :lol:
El Andullero
2012-02-06, 21:44
My wife is of Martinican descent.
Did she grow up in the states or in that French departement?
WTF is a Bryozoan? Awall you are one of a kind....:D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryozoa
I find it ironic that you're so Afro-centric but your wife is a mulatta :lol:
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Do you guys east corn beef with rice? Belizeans love that.. I personally don't eat mammals
Wow did not mean that. Sounded like a good insult. I mean a woman from Belize.
Wow did not mean that. Sounded like a good insult. I mean a woman from Belize.
No it sounded kinda like you were making up a country or something. It was so unrecognizable, I had to look it up on wikipedia :|
I don't know how you add a Y,O, and R into "Belizean", but then again, you're Awall :D
Thanks for the clarification
is that I prfer to eat amarillos, otostones or "corn beef"rather than bacalaitos.
A plate of tostones with bistek, and a batida (any fruit or morir sonando) is a personal favorite. A simple dish I know, but one I very rarely eat.
No it sounded kinda like you were making up a country or something. It was so unrecognizable, I had to look it up on wikipedia :|
I don't know how you add a Y,O, and R into "Belizean", but then again, you're Awall :D
Thanks for the clarification
:lol: what's that supposed to mean? Anyway it's these stupid smart devices I USe. but yes her fish and this Colombian Woman crab was the best at that time.
:lol: what's that supposed to mean? Anyway it's these stupid smart devices I USe. but yes her fish and this Colombian Woman crab was the best at that time.
No harm, Smart phones don't know $h!t :p
No harm, Smart phones don't know $h!t :p
Yup the most retarded device alive. Guess we know who didn't make that:evilgrin:
Maroon King
2012-02-07, 04:24
Maroon, I actually have heard of San Pacho before. Isn't it like one of the biggest Africanlatino carnivals or the most popular pred Afro carnival? What about the music, is that also using African influenced instruments?
I never met a non-Pacific Colombian person who knows about the festival so no it isn't that well known or big as you put it. The only Afro instruments are the drums, they use a lot of European drums in an African way like Jazz in Choco.
I never met a non-Pacific Colombian person who knows about the festival so no it isn't that well known or big as you put it. The only Afro instruments are the drums, they use a lot of European drums in an African way like Jazz in Choco.
Oh ok. I must be thinking of something else. Ok so what is the names for the instruments and beats.
Is there any other interesting Carnivals throughout Latin America? What do you guys think about Rio de Janeiro?
jibarodepr
2012-02-13, 17:46
Awal, what countries composes Latin America to you?Brazil isn't one of them in my opinion.
Awal, what countries composes Latin America to you?Brazil isn't one of them in my opinion.
Brazil is because the main language is portuguese. All latin originating languages.
jibarodepr
2012-02-13, 17:47
Brazil is because the main language is portugueseFor people of this side of the Hemisphere(Spanish-speaking America), Brazil is not part of us.
Ubirajara
2012-02-13, 18:22
Why?
For people of this side of the Hemisphere(Spanish-speaking America), Brazil is not part of us.
jibarodepr
2012-02-13, 18:31
Why?Becuase they don't speak Spanish or have Spanish descended culture.
Ubirajara
2012-02-13, 18:33
Do most Puerto Ricans you know think like you? Are you aware of other Latin Americans who think like that? I was unaware of people who think like you.
Becuase they don't speak Spanish or have Spanish descended culture.
jibarodepr
2012-02-13, 18:36
Do most Puerto Ricans you know think like you? Are you aware of other Latin Americans who think like that? I was unaware of people who think like you.Puerto Ricans doesn't think of Brazilians as Hispanic, as they speak Portuguese, we consider you Portuguese Americans, but not Hispanic as you don't speak or have any culture related to Spain or other Hispanic countries.
I consider Belize to be both Latin American and Anglo-Caribbean, but some may disagree
I consider Brasil as Latin-American as any other Spanish-speaking American country
jibarodepr
2012-02-13, 20:03
I consider Belize to be both Latin American and Anglo-Caribbean, but some may disagreeI do agree as there are region on there who speak Spanish and town with Spanish name, hence there is an Spanish influence alongside the English one.
I do agree as there are region on there who speak Spanish and town with Spanish name, hence there is an Spanish influence alongside the English one.
So only Spanish speaking countries are Latin American? That's interesting but not new. Slot of people around here would agree. As far as Belize I've heard it's not Latin American but I don't know. What's the majority opinion
For people of this side of the Hemisphere(Spanish-speaking America), Brazil is not part of us.
Brazil is a very Latin-American country in every sense. Theirs is an Iberian derived culture, same as the rest. Only differnce is their language is Portuguese and, while it's another language, it's also the closest to Spanish. In addition, racially speaking, Brazil has the same components and mixtures as ther rest of the region. It's just a huge country where all kinds of people you see in the other countries are found there too. Brazil, like every country, may have more in common with certain nations than with others. The same applies to Mexico, Puerto Rico etc. Like Cuba and other countries, Brazil also has a lot of African influence, which is clearly seen in its music, religious sincretism etc. And that is typically Latin-American and New World. Brazil is Ibero-American and Latin-American, just as Argentina, Cuba, Mexico etc. The difference is that the other countries are also Hispanic, while Brazil is not.
Ubirajara
2012-02-13, 22:03
^ I agree with Serge. :)
What about Haiti?
It is still considered Latin American because of it's French background. This all comes from a treaty European countries set up to divide the Americas and keep Spain and Portugal in power. That is how this all came about.
jibarodepr
2012-02-14, 02:17
I see that for you people Latin American and Hispanic American are two different things, for us here they are synonymous(Latino and Hispanic measn the same as countries who speak Spanish)but then yes, Brazil is Latin American according to your definition.
El Andullero
2012-02-14, 02:49
It is still considered Latin American because of it's French background. This all comes from a treaty European countries set up to divide the Americas and keep Spain and Portugal in power. That is how this all came about.
Thing is, the majority of them don't consider themselves Latino, and go basically with jibaro's definition. In short, for a common Haitian, Latino = Panyol*.
*Panyol = Spanish speaking people.
Thing is, the majority of them don't consider themselves Latino, and go basically with jibaro's definition. In short, for a common Haitian, Latino = Panyol*.
*Panyol = Spanish speaking people.
Trinidadians say "Panyol" and Belizeans say "Panya", but it's considered derogatory
El Andullero
2012-02-14, 03:02
Trinidadians say "Panyol" and Belizeans say "Panya", but it's considered derogatory
Who would have known? that's basically the way they use to refer to us. Very rarely I hear them using the term "Dominiken", except for formal occasions of course. On the other hand, people here usually call them "Pití" (for "petit") or "Mañe", for the general way in which they sound whenever they speak their lingo. :D
Who would have known? that's basically the way they use to refer to us. Very rarely I hear them using the term "Dominiken", except for formal occasions of course. On the other hand, people here usually call them "Pití" (for "petit") or "Mañe", for the general way in which they sound whenever they speak their lingo. :D
Agreed, regional terms are more universal than we think :lol:
On the other hand Kriol people have a funny name for everybody :p (Panya, Coolie, Kerob, FBI, Limey etc...)
El Andullero
2012-02-14, 03:28
Agreed, regional terms are more universal than we think :lol:
On the other hand Kriol people have a funny name for everybody :p (Panya, Coolie, Kerob, FBI, Limey etc...)
Let me guess, Limey's are the Englishmen present there? :D
What FBI stands for (besides the gringo organization of course)?
Let me guess, Limey's are the Englishmen present there? :D
What FBI stands for (besides the gringo organization of course)?
Yup Limey is for Englishmen :lol:
FBI is "Flat Batty Indian", in reference to Maya women's body type
TTYL bro, I'm tired
Thing is, the majority of them don't consider themselves Latino, and go basically with jibaro's definition. In short, for a common Haitian, Latino = Panyol*.
*Panyol = Spanish speaking people.
Yea I've heard they don't identify because they want to separate themselves from their Dominican neighbors, but Anthros consider them part of Latin America due to the history of it rather than their sentiments ( unfortunately in a way)
I consider Brasil as Latin-American as any other Spanish-speaking American country
i do too ;)
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