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Nephilim
2010-02-19, 06:03
Minutemen arrested for the
murder of a Mexican family

Shawna Forde - leader of Minutemen American Defense organization
Minuteman Jason Eugene "Gunny" Bush - believed to be the killer of 8 year old Brisenia Flores. He is the Minutemen "Director of Field Operations."
The leader of the Minutemen American Defense organization and two other members were arrested today for the home invasion and brutal murder of a Mexican father and his 8 year old daughter. The mother suffered serious gunshot wounds and is presently in intensive care. The home invasion and murder occurred after midnight in Arivaca, Arizona on May 30th. Arivaca is a small rural community about 10 miles from the Mexican border.

Arrested was 42 year old Shawna Forde who is the National Executive Director of the Minutemen American Defense organization and two of her cohorts, Jason Eugene Bush, age 38, and Albert Robert Gaxiola, age 43. They are accussed of breaking into the home of 29 year old Raul Flores and killing him. They also shot and killed his 8-year-old daughter Brisenia Flores. The mother was also shot but survived.

According to Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, Bush, Forde, and Gaxiola broke into the home of the Flores family just after midnight on May 30th. The Minutemen shot the three members of the Flores family, killing the father, Raul,and the daughter, Brisenia but the mother survived the brutal attack. The Minutemen then left the home. Sheriff Dupnik says the three Minutemen returned moments later to make sure everyone was dead. At that point, the mother who was critically injured, shot and injured Jason Eugene Bush, and the three fled the home again. Detectives say Bush was in the Kingman area when he was arrested and is at a Kingman hospital for the injury he received during the murders. Forde was taken into custody in Sierra Vista and Gaxiola in Tucson.

The Minutemen border vigilantes have been for years operating along the Mexico/Arizona border and have been suspected of killing numerous Mexican migrant workers in the desert. Shawna Forde is originally from Everett, Washington where in 2007 she organized a large anti-immigration rally featuring as speaker Jim Gilchrist, President of the California-based Minuteman Project. Another Minutemen vigilante leader by the name of Chris Simcox, formerly known as the "Tombstone Vigilante", has denied any connection to Shawna Forde or to the murders.


How :sick:

http://i46.tinypic.com/20kqfth.jpg

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How sad

http://i50.tinypic.com/2ceqmg1.jpg

So the minutemen not racist, yeah right, every brown person they see they attack as a Mexican, or the idiot might believe their Middle Eastern terrorists. Attacking and killing innocent people just because of their race, however what is more disgusting was the killing of an 8 years old girl. They give me nothing but disgusts. Any self-respecting person would not support this racist organization which borders to the Klan/Neo-Nazi level in its racism and violence. Only self-hating or people with mental issues would often alley with the Minutemen. Their is nothing patriotic in this deed or about them at all. They are cowards and nothing more. May Flores rest in peace.

I really hope the murders would get the death penalty.

nomar6
2010-02-19, 06:09
tHey will be in good hands in prison when the Mexican mafia takes care of them, i doubt they will last 1 day alive .
Thats bad news for the minutemen, the will be people coming after them thirst for blood.
fukin scumbags.

Nephilim
2010-02-19, 06:12
He will be in good hands in prison when the Mexican mafia takes care of him, i doubt he will last 1 day alive .

It serves him damn right, a coward killing an 8 year old child. Even attacking the wife.

I hope so, so the family did not die in vain, and justice was served.

Racists are often scumbags and cowards. They resort to killing the weakest and most vulnerable such as children just like what the KKK did in the past, the Minutemen are continuing the legacy.

nomar6
2010-02-19, 06:16
It serves him damn right, a coward killing an 8 year old child. Even attacking the wive.

I hope so, so the family did not die in vain, and justice was served.


in prison baby killers are targeted for death, racist baby killers will be killed in prison. they have it coming.

Nephilim
2010-02-19, 06:18
in prison baby killers are targeted for death, racist baby killers will be killed in prison. they have it coming.

It serves them right! Minutemen are animals if they don't like the SouthWest they should move their asses elsewhere

Decimator
2010-02-19, 06:25
:lol: They should try killing one of these who transit the border freely trafficking drugs that are sold in the United States and not some innocent worker.

http://www.unafuente.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/zeta-tama.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IAfZj1kSpyQ/SLq3quxcBCI/AAAAAAAABZ4/LFjIlESDNZI/s400/JORGE_ALBERTO_MARTINEZ_VILLAGRANA_FRANCISCO_JAVIER _NOGALES_TERAN_Y_JESUS_ARMANDO_MAC%C3%8DAS_G%C3%93 MEZ.JPG

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww11/heckfri/malandros.jpg

Nephilim
2010-02-19, 06:29
:lol: They should try killing one of these who transit the border freely trafficking drugs that are sold in the United States and not some innocent worker.

http://www.unafuente.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/zeta-tama.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_IAfZj1kSpyQ/SLq3quxcBCI/AAAAAAAABZ4/LFjIlESDNZI/s400/JORGE_ALBERTO_MARTINEZ_VILLAGRANA_FRANCISCO_JAVIER _NOGALES_TERAN_Y_JESUS_ARMANDO_MAC%C3%8DAS_G%C3%93 MEZ.JPG

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww11/heckfri/malandros.jpg


Well their racist idiots. Racists usually are cowards, and so they would not even dare to come near those guys iamo. The typical racist will usually attack the innocent worker and bystander is because they have the power, and in most cases he does not because he is not armed.

This why racists often are armed and usually are in groups.

The Minutemen can go to hell, and if people say their not racist organization, BS is at its best in justifying their atrocities.

Decimator
2010-02-19, 06:58
But anyway... not all Americans are like this... There are some dumb ass second and third generation wetbacks that are minutemen too.

Nephilim
2010-02-19, 07:02
But anyway... not all Americans are like this... There are some dumb ass second and third generation wetbacks that are minutemen too.

The self-hating Mexicans are in the Minutemen, and yes I know not all Americans like that. But the Minutemen are a racist organization. Their actions and the people that are usually involved often have racist or racialist leanings. Any self-respecting Mexican or anyone for that matter; would not support this organization unless he has mental issues or a self-hating person.

pinguin
2010-02-19, 11:22
Send the murderer to the electric chair. Period.

Clemo
2010-02-19, 23:01
:lol: They should try killing one of these who transit the border freely trafficking drugs that are sold in the United States and not some innocent worker.

http://i701.photobucket.com/albums/ww11/heckfri/malandros.jpg

Lol, most of these guys have pellet guns.

Anodyne
2010-02-20, 00:44
So the minutemen not racist, yeah right, every brown person they see they attack as a Mexican, or the idiot might believe their Middle Eastern terrorists. Attacking and killing innocent people just because of their race, however what is more disgusting was the killing of an 8 years old girl. They give me nothing but disgusts. Any self-respecting person would not support this racist organization which borders to the Klan/Neo-Nazi level in its racism and violence. Only self-hating or people with mental issues would often alley with the Minutemen. Their is nothing patriotic in this deed or about them at all. They are cowards and nothing more. May Flores rest in peace.

I really hope the murders would get the death penalty.

Instead of getting emotional do you have evidence Minutemen normally go around attacking and killing people? You made a serious accusation against a group.

pinguin
2010-02-20, 01:56
Instead of getting emotional do you have evidence Minutemen normally go around attacking and killing people? You made a serious accusation against a group.

Unbelievable.

:ashamed::ashamed::ashamed:

Anodyne
2010-02-20, 02:03
Unbelievable.

:ashamed::ashamed::ashamed:

I'm well aware that you prefer a claim not backed up with evidence if it supports your view. That reality isn't unbelievable. It's your trademark.

Put your outrage to the side for a moment for the death of this poor family and clear your mind so you can answer this question in case Nep chooses not to bother: What evidence is there that Minutemen normally go around attacking and killing people?

Lasituacion
2010-02-24, 18:38
But anyway... not all Americans are like this... There are some dumb ass second and third generation wetbacks that are minutemen too.

Agree, Like this fools Lupe Moreno, and Ray Ayala. Mexican Americans Who fight against mexican immigration ha

Caine
2010-02-24, 19:18
Neph, I think you're missing one point. You didn't post the pic of the 3rd murderer (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/15/art.crime.gaxiola.jpg).

Not at all defending the actions of these psychos, just questioning their motives. Was it really directly racist if one of "the enemy" was willingly involved? I'm trynna imagine how the convo would go:

Forde: "Hey guys, what do you think about murdering some eses today?"
Bush: "Sounds like a plan! Those damn wetbacks deserve a little rilin' up!"
Gaxiola: "Yeah! Why the hell do those brown little spics keep coming into my country?"

It's almost funny at best, horribly illogical at worst. I mean, maybe he was an angry and troubled man with some self-esteem issues, but it doesn't sound like it:

Albert Robert Gaxiola, described by friends and neighbors as “one of the nicest guys you’d ever meet,” was arrested in Tucson on Friday afternoon in connection with the May 30 murders of Raul Flores Jr. and his daughter Brisenia.

One Arivaca man, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he was friends with Flores and Gaxiola. He said the quiet community that looks out for its own is shocked that Gaxiola could be involved in the crimes — especially the murder of a child.

“He was a real nice guy. He loved kids.”
http://mexicotrucker.com/child-killer-albert-robert-gaxiola-described-by-friends-and-neighbors-as-%E2%80%9Cone-of-the-nicest-guys-you%E2%80%99d-ever-meet%E2%80%9D

g-man
2010-02-24, 19:35
Agree, Like this fools Lupe Moreno, and Ray Ayala. Mexican Americans Who fight against mexican immigration ha


Um you mean illegal immigration from Mexico.

Mexico ruthlessly defends its border with Central American countries, but no one gets upset and demands in the name Latino unity that they let these illegal immigrants in their country...Strange.

CAONABO
2010-02-24, 19:59
Um you mean illegal immigration from Mexico.

Mexico ruthlessly defends its border with Central American countries, but no one gets upset and demands in the name Latino unity that they let these illegal immigrants in their country...Strange.

aka the ol'double standard/hypocrisy routine.

JaM
2010-02-24, 20:04
Lol, most of these guys have pellet guns.

I think that they're all air guns, three of them look like pcp guns. I suspect that they're just random airgunners, as there's nothing gangsta about air guns. Perhaps they're just into air gun hunting?

Erick
2010-02-24, 20:39
Sorry but... is this supposed to be disgusting? Because I find it fucking hilarious...

Anodyne
2010-02-24, 21:10
Neph, I think you're missing one point. You didn't post the pic of the 3rd murderer (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/06/15/art.crime.gaxiola.jpg).

Hard to believe Nep could have missed that.

Caine
2010-02-24, 21:17
Sorry but... is this supposed to be disgusting? Because I find it fucking hilarious...

That's just bizarre bluh. I don't even like Amerinds, but my screws are tight enough to find this ordeal a little wrong. I'm just above viewing this on a racial level. Murder of an 8 year old in front of her mother, by government-appointed folks... huh-uh.

Decimator
2010-02-24, 23:36
Um you mean illegal immigration from Mexico.

Mexico ruthlessly defends its border with Central American countries, but no one gets upset and demands in the name Latino unity that they let these illegal immigrants in their country...Strange.

Mexico defends the Southern Border?? Dude.... get real. Chiapas looks more like Guatemala than California looks like Mexico.... All a Salvadorian has to do to cross to Mexico is to go over a train and pay a little bribe.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 01:23
I'm well aware that you prefer a claim not backed up with evidence if it supports your view. That reality isn't unbelievable. It's your trademark.

Put your outrage to the side for a moment for the death of this poor family and clear your mind so you can answer this question in case Nep chooses not to bother: What evidence is there that Minutemen normally go around attacking and killing people?

Civil organizations shouldn't do the job of professionals. That's fascism.

That the U.S. fronteer police deport illegals is theirs choice and theirs right. But that a fascist like Bush, formed civilian organizations to watch the frotiers, is just reminicent of Nazi Germany, or the civilian commitees to capture disidents in Cuba :mad:

Decimator
2010-02-25, 01:33
Anyway.... they just killed 2 persons. They still have to kill 40 millions more and other thousands coming :thumbsup:

cadwallon
2010-02-25, 01:37
I don't much like immigrants and such, but I would never advocate the murder of women and children.

This is not securing our borders in the least but rather harming our image and making it easier for others to cross as those who seek to watch the borders are now going to be demonized by the actions of a rogue organization. Way to go minuteman for fucking up royally.

Decimator
2010-02-25, 01:38
I don't much like immigrants and such, but I would never advocate the murder of women and children.

This is not securing our borders in the least but rather harming our image and making it easier for others to cross as those who seek to watch the borders are now going to be demonized by the actions of a rogue organization. Way to go minuteman for fucking up royally.

Indeed, a China wall would work better.

cadwallon
2010-02-25, 02:27
Indeed, a China wall would work better.

The only time I would ever use violence of the lethal sort would be in an actual military engagement. The China Wall idea I do support and wish someone would enact.

Anodyne
2010-02-25, 02:49
Civil organizations shouldn't do the job of professionals. That's fascism.

Some guys getting together to make a citizen's arrest is not fascism. People throw around the word fascism for just about anything without understanding what the word means.


That the U.S. fronteer police deport illegals is theirs choice and theirs right. But that a fascist like Bush, formed civilian organizations to watch the frotiers, is just reminicent of Nazi Germany, or the civilian commitees to capture disidents in Cuba :mad:

The Minutemen weren't created by Bush.

I think it's foolish to demonize a group because of a few incidents. What I care about are trends. I see no indication that the Minutemen roam around attacking and killing people like Nep tries to present. I think everyone should take note that Nep ignored one fellow arested in this incident who wasn't an Anglo. Yeah, there are Mexicans who are Minutemen also and unlike Caine thinks they're not self hating. They're just being rational. Illegal aliens have a negative effect on the Mexican-American community more so than the Anglo community.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 03:08
Indeed, a China wall would work better.

Manchues crossed it anyways, and dominated the Imperialistic Han for centuries :lol::lol:

History repeats.:evilgrin:

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Some guys getting together to make a citizen's arrest is not fascism. People throw around the word fascism for just about anything without understanding what the word means.


The U.S. has a long fascist tradition. That's something nobody could deny.




The Minutemen weren't created by Bush.


True. But he helped them to grow.




I think it's foolish to demonize a group because of a few incidents. What I care about are trends. I see no indication that the Minutemen roam around attacking and killing people like Nep tries to present. I think everyone should take note that Nep ignored one fellow arested in this incident who wasn't an Anglo. Yeah, there are Mexicans who are Minutemen also and unlike Caine thinks they're not self hating. They're just being rational. Illegal aliens have a negative effect on the Mexican-American community more so than the Anglo community.

Let's see if the Maras start to target Minutemen if you continue to think it is foolish to demonize groups because a few incidents.

Anodyne
2010-02-25, 03:17
The U.S. has a long fascist tradition. That's something nobody could deny.

Yes, starting with FDR. What does this have to do with the Minutemen? When it comes to discussing Americans you always go off into multiple directions rather than stick to the topic at hand. What exactly makes the Minutemen fascists? Familiarity with the definition for fascism would be helpful.



True. But he helped them to grow.

How? When a claim is made it must be supported with evidence.




Let's see if the Maras start to target Minutemen if you continue to think it is foolish to demonize groups because a few incidents.

I don't even know what Maras are. Is it a social club?

Decimator
2010-02-25, 03:23
Yes, starting with FDR. What does this have to do with the Minutemen? When it comes to discussing Americans you always go off into multiple directions rather than stick to the topic at hand. What exactly makes the Minutemen fascists? Familiarity with the definition for fascism would be helpful.




How? When a claim is made it must be supported with evidence.





I don't even know what Maras are. Is it a social club?

The dude in my avatar is a Mara.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 03:31
Yes, starting with FDR. What does this have to do with the Minutemen? When it comes to discussing Americans you always go off into multiple directions rather than stick to the topic at hand. What exactly makes the Minutemen fascists? Familiarity with the definition for fascism would be helpful.


A long history. From the Latin American perspective, the U.S. is an abusive country, that has treated the people south of the border like theirs subordinates. From 1848 to the 1980s, the US commited a hundred of invasions and interventions in our region.

Today, thanks to the 11/S attacks, the focus of the US has switched to the Muslim world, where it continue to cause endless struggle. I bet that is the reason why it has left Latin America alone, no matter that the fascists have try to increase theirs presence in our region with the excuse of the drug trade.

Anyways. The US is not our friend. If anything, it is the bulling neighbour.



How? When a claim is made it must be supported with evidence.


What evidence do you need to prove Bush is a fascist?



I don't even know what Maras are. Is it a social club?

They are the worst criminals you have ever seen.

pictures:

http://www.seprin.com/portal2/notas/fotos/maras2.jpg
http://blogs.ideal.es/blogfiles/pateandoelmundo/maras.jpg
http://blogs.ideal.es/blogfiles/pateandoelmundo/maras6.jpg

Anodyne
2010-02-25, 06:18
A long history. From the Latin American perspective, the U.S. is an abusive country, that has treated the people south of the border like theirs subordinates. From 1848 to the 1980s, the US commited a hundred of invasions and interventions in our region.

Fascism is a 20th century ideology given birth by the Sicilian Giovanni Gentile. You lump actions from different historical events under the same umbrella. If you want to call it a type of imperialism, then I can agree. But it's absurd to call the U.S. war with Mexico as an example of Fascism.


Today, thanks to the 11/S attacks, the focus of the US has switched to the Muslim world, where it continue to cause endless struggle. I bet that is the reason why it has left Latin America alone, no matter that the fascists have try to increase theirs presence in our region with the excuse of the drug trade.

Anyways. The US is not our friend. If anything, it is the bulling neighbour.

No one is anyone's friend in international affairs. Nations work together if it brings their nation benefits. That's not how friends behave. But it is how governments act. It's called RealPolitick.



What evidence do you need to prove Bush is a fascist?

That's not what is at issue. What evidence do you have that he supported the Minutemen? First you said he was involved in their creation. Then you said he supported it. You're changing the subject by arguing on whether he's a fascist or not. That's not what is under discussion.




They are the worst criminals you have ever seen.

pictures:

Handsome devils.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 12:43
Fascism is a 20th century ideology given birth by the Sicilian Giovanni Gentile. You lump actions from different historical events under the same umbrella. If you want to call it a type of imperialism, then I can agree. But it's absurd to call the U.S. war with Mexico as an example of Fascism.


Sorry, but I use the commie style rethoric of calling the Imperialistic and also the Manifest Desnity style actions with a name that associate them with the model fascist state: Rome. After all, fascism is a return to ancient Rome.



No one is anyone's friend in international affairs. Nations work together if it brings their nation benefits. That's not how friends behave. But it is how governments act. It's called RealPolitick.


Sure. But you should realize that the lack of confidence on the U.S. has historical reasons.



That's not what is at issue. What evidence do you have that he supported the Minutemen? First you said he was involved in their creation. Then you said he supported it. You're changing the subject by arguing on whether he's a fascist or not. That's not what is under discussion.


Do you think I ignore the main motivator for Minutemen is anti-Mexican racism?

cadwallon
2010-02-25, 13:14
Sorry, but I use the commie style rethoric of calling the Imperialistic and also the Manifest Desnity style actions with a name that associate them with the model fascist state: Rome. After all, fascism is a return to ancient Rome.

That's a thought right there. Was Ancient Rome so bad? Many of those conquered tribes in Europe sold themselves to Rome for Roman benefits, it was a trade off.

Rome is often portrayed as this big bad hammer of the barbarians, when one looks into reality these barbarians were loose confederations of individual tribes, these tribes often trying to destroy the tribe next door for the very same reason why Rome was trying to get at them.

When Romans conquered one tribe this would have very little influence on a greater scale since these tribes were so independent of each other. You swat down one tribe, the fellows across the river won't give a shit because they've been trying to swat the same tribe down for the past 50 years themselves.

This is also why Rome could not keep a permanent foothold in these parts of Europe. It's like playing a game of whack a mole. You whack one, another pops up, another pops up, and another pops up. My forefathers faced similar scenarios with the American Indians, only difference is they were a bit more effective in what they did, however it was not completely foolproof as the conquered still exist to some degree on reservations and in isolated communities, we still don't have control over them though we hold control over a great portion of the continent. Much like how Rome controlled much of the geography of Europe but did not have total control over the people.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 13:29
That's a thought right there. Was Ancient Rome so bad? Many of those conquered tribes in Europe sold themselves to Rome for Roman benefits, it was a trade off.

Rome is often portrayed as this big bad hammer of the barbarians, when one looks into reality these barbarians were loose confederations of individual tribes, these tribes often trying to destroy the tribe next door for the very same reason why Rome was trying to get at them.

When Romans conquered one tribe this would have very little influence on a greater scale since these tribes were so independent of each other. You swat down one tribe, the fellows across the river won't give a shit because they've been trying to swat the same tribe down for the past 50 years themselves.

This is also why Rome could not keep a permanent foothold in these parts of Europe. It's like playing a game of whack a mole. You whack one, another pops up, another pops up, and another pops up.


Sure, Rome contributed with many things to the development of the world. In fact Spanish is a derivation of Vulgar Latin, and the religion of the region is mainly the Roman Catholic church, which has its main branch in Rome, ruled by the Pontifice, the maker of bridges.

But the problem is that the world doesn't need Rome anymore. We don't need fascists (Romans used the fasces) that rule our destinies as free people.



My forefathers faced similar scenarios with the American Indians, only difference is they were a bit more effective in what they did, however it was not completely foolproof as the conquered still exist to some degree on reservations and in isolated communities, we still don't have control over them though we hold control over a great portion of the continent. Much like how Rome controlled much of the geography of Europe but did not have total control over the people.

Sure, that was the policy of Manifest Destiny that first destroyed the Native Americans, then the French, Spanish and Mexicans in the Americas, and that ended destroying Vietnam and Iraq.

And that's why we call it fascism, because that is what it is.

Zupan
2010-02-25, 13:32
The pics showed me some serious looking white trash. Sad that they killed a young kid.

cadwallon
2010-02-25, 13:36
But the problem is that the world doesn't need Rome anymore. We don't need fascists (Romans used the fasces) that rule our destinies as free people.

I reckon I must be an imperialist. :p Learn new things everyday I reckon.





And that's why we call it fascism, because that is what it is.

I call it Imperialism. For the Empire! *raspy breathing, something something something darkside, *raspy breathing

Fascism is a different idea unless you mean it in the sense of a vague analogy. Fascism itself is a thing specific to Mussolini's Italy.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 13:45
I reckon I must be an imperialist. :p Learn new things everyday I reckon.


Well, at least you recognize it.



I call it Imperialism. For the Empire! *raspy breathing, something something something darkside, *raspy breathing

Fascism is a different idea unless you mean it in the sense of a vague analogy. Fascism itself is a thing specific to Mussolini's Italy.

Fascism is an ideology everybody detest. It is an extreme right wing ideology.
Calling the right wing of the U.S. fascist is just a standard method to degrade your country.

In any case, many actions of the U.S. in the past, such as bombing the Vietnamese with the Orange Agent, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or exposing your own U.S. soldiers to atomic bomb's radiation, as cruel enough to deserve that label.

Mussolini's manifest destiny.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms4/italy-mussolini.jpg

Dictators and its fascination with Rome

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Fasces_Mussolini-Hitler_mark.jpg

And as you can see freedom is usually an excuse for fascism. The Mussolini's lemma "Fascismo e Liberta" shows clearly.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_69Ox1BgeAho/SLMdnZ2K9kI/AAAAAAAAABo/M24NFD5B8as/s400/untitled.bmp

cadwallon
2010-02-25, 13:48
Well, at least you recognize it.

Eiup.




Fascism is an ideology everybody detest. It is an extreme right wing ideology.
Calling the right wing of the U.S. fascist is just a standard method to degrade your country.

In any case, many actions of the U.S. in the past, such as bombing the Vietnamese with the Orange Agent, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or exposing your own U.S. soldiers to atomic bomb's radiation, as cruel enough to deserve that label.

Mussolini's manifest destiny.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/uniforms4/italy-mussolini.jpg

Dictators and its fascination with Rome

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Fasces_Mussolini-Hitler_mark.jpg

And as you can see freedom is usually an excuse for fascism. The Mussolini's lemma "Fascismo e Liberta" shows clearly.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_69Ox1BgeAho/SLMdnZ2K9kI/AAAAAAAAABo/M24NFD5B8as/s400/untitled.bmp

So you mean fascism in the sense of the analogy, basically definition #2.

pinguin
2010-02-25, 13:53
Yes, an analogy to describe not the U.S. but some very powerfull righ wing forces that hide behind the curtains in the U.S.