British Crimes in Iraq continue since 1918 and continuing

[Nephilim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZXmmKZyALs

The British continue their crimes against the Iraqi people, ever since they colonized the nation of Iraq. The British have always laid their eyes upon Iraq for its wealth. Also the British however knew they can not settle in the land, because the resistance would have been very heavy, and they would probably have lost and be humiliated by the less advanced Iraqis.

The British Crimes in the Middle East are not confined to Iraq, but to Arabia, Egypt and Palestine.

The British continue to plunder the land.

Britain tagged America into Iraq, because its knows its bigger brother will protect her, and ensure her safety in the land of Babylon.

The British and the Americans have always seen themselves to be the superior race, and bringing civilization to the colored or dark races. The White man's burden continues upon the dark peoples of the world.

Iraq and Afghanistan are two examples. The Americans and the British want to change the culture, and bring in democracy and freedom but in reality they want to create carbon copies and puppet states to serve their own goals, and governments that are corrupt and don't care for people like most Middle Eastern state.

History has already written your Crimes in the Americas, Australia, and the Middle East. This will also be written by history as one of the most despicable attempt to colonize a country that has been damaged economically, socially, and politically.

You failed to colonize Afghanistan, and you will to fail to recolonize Iraq you or the Americans.

Even when you installed your Uncle Toms the Hashamites, the Iraqis knew that they did not belong to them, and also because they served you like slaves. The Iraqis will continue the resistance. The Jordanians and Saudis might have excepted their puppets and their indirect colonization, but the Iraqi people will never accept this.

No matter how many kind of divisions you make, the Iraqi nation will stay longer, which is way Iran and Saudi Arabia are slowly backing out from the Iraq war, which has been a created proxy in disguise of Sunni and Shia violence. You ultimately failed.

The Kurds and the Iranian loyalist, and other Uncle Toms and traitors might opened the gates of Iraq for you, but the real Iraqis, whose bloodline is intermingled with other bloodlines, and come different religious groups, have never supported you and your attempt.

And even if you kill all the Iraqi people to last man, woman and child at least history will see them not as traitors and Uncle Toms but as a people who resisted for their mother land, honor and blood.

[Baboon]

If it makes you feel any better, the Brits themselves are going to get it:

UK whites a minority in London classrooms (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23414213-uk-whites-a-minority-in-london-classrooms.do)


White British-born children are now the minority in many London schools, official figures showed today.

UK cities to have white minorities 'in 30 years' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563191/UK-cities-to-have-white-minorities-in-30-years.html)


Luton, Slough, Birmingham and Leicester will have minority white populations within 30 years, experts predict.

Oh, the irony...


Also, please note that Romania was the first non-rich country to cancel Iraqi debt.

Romania Cancels 80% of Its Iraqi Debt (http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=151933)


BAGHDAD, Iraq, August 18 /PRNewswire/ -- The Government of Iraq today announced that it has signed a bilateral agreement with Romania canceling approximately U.S.$2.0 billion, amounting to 80%, of Romanian claims against Iraq.

The accord is comparable to the agreement in principle concluded in November 2004 between Iraq and the governmental creditors comprising the Paris Club, which together hold a plurality of the total outstanding claims against Iraq. The Romanian accord is the first to be signed with Iraq's non-Paris Club bilateral creditors. The first agreement with a Paris Club creditor was signed in December of last year.

Prior to this agreement, the claims of the Romanian government against Iraq totaled approximately U.S.$2.5 billion. When fully phased in, the agreement signed today will reduce this debt stock to approximately US$500 million. The debt reduction will take effect in three installments. Approximately US$760 million will be cancelled immediately; a second installment of approximately US$760 million of debt cancellation will automatically become effective upon the signing by Iraq of a formal stand-by arrangement with the International Monetary Fund (expected during the fourth quarter of 2005); and a final installment, equal to approximately US$510 million, will automatically take effect upon completion of a stand-by arrangement in 2008. The residual debt stock will be repayable over a 23-year period with 6 years of grace on principal payments. No principal or interest will be payable during the first three years.

"Today's agreement with Romania -- the first outside the Paris Club -- marks a significant step in Iraq's ongoing debt management program," said Iraq's Minister of Finance Ali A. Allawi. "Iraq appreciates Romania's prompt and constructive approach to reaching this agreement."

Unlike the Brits we are not evil. So keep that in mind when you start persecuting the white folks in western countries. :D

[voron]

Americans have historically shown themselves to be good and - it wouldn't be a stretch to say - fair masters. The countries that they de facto turned into their colonies like Japan and South Korea prospered under their management and entered the ranks of the first world countries. They surely do it for their own pragmatic purpose first and foremost, but the countries that accept Americans gain a great deal from such colonization. Unlike the rest of old Europeans empires of the past like British or French or Portugese who basically looted their colonies without really giving anything back.
Maybe it is a different mentality pf the Middle East that doesn't allow the same kind of economic and social growth to occur, or maybe it is Islam, I don't know.

[Nephilim]

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Unlike the Brits we are not evil. So keep that in mind when you start persecuting the white folks in western countries. :D

Of course I have nothing against Eastern Europeans. Like I said they have never did damage nor killed, raped, and plundered the people and the land. Most of them were allies of Iraq.

Its mostly the British and their colonial legacy which has made the world into a hellhole.

I am glad to see Britain taking a dose of its own medicine.

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Americans have historically shown themselves to be good and - it wouldn't be a stretch to say - fair masters. The countries that they de facto turned into their colonies like Japan and South Korea prospered under their management and entered the ranks of the first world countries. They surely do it for their own pragmatic purpose first and foremost, but the countries that accept Americans gain a great deal from such colonization. Unlike the rest of old Europeans empires of the past like British or French or Portugese who basically looted their colonies without really giving anything back.
Maybe it is a different mentality pf the Middle East that doesn't allow the same kind of economic and social growth to occur, or maybe it is Islam, I don't know.


Nope Iraq was moving forward on its own, however the Americans don't want to see an advanced Middle Eastern nation. They want Iraq to dependent upon them. This is the reason why the Americans have been killing Iraqi scientists and professors both male and female. Also the Americans want to change the culture and the traditions of Iraq which has been rooted in them heavily.

It has nothing to do with Islam. The Americans and the British destroyed Iraq's infrastructure, and made it into rubble and they began to encourage ignorance and petty tribalism and racism.

The Americans benefited from the destabilization and destruction of Iraq. Americans and the British are their for the oil and other natural resources.

[curiousman]

It's not the Americans, it's the Israelis. Know your real enemy.

[EliasAlucard]

The biggest crime the JEWK ever did in "Iraq" was to betray Assyrians and give all of Mesopotamia to Muslims (Assyrians actually had an ongoing deal with the British Empire known as the "Assyrian Question"). Normally I would hold grudges against the Britons over this, but they're giving away their country to Muslims and blacks nowadays, so I guess it wasn't anything personal against Assyrians because they're repeating the same reckless behaviour at home. Indeed, I agree with Baboon, this is irony.

[Geto-Thracian]

Of course I have nothing against Eastern Europeans. Like I said they have never did damage nor killed, raped, and plundered the people and the land. Most of them were allies of Iraq.

Its mostly the British and their colonial legacy which has made the world into a hellhole.

I am glad to see Britain taking a dose of its own medicine.

---------- Post added 2010-03-02 at 23:56 ----------




Nope Iraq was moving forward on its own, however the Americans don't want to see an advanced Middle Eastern nation. They want Iraq to dependent upon them. This is the reason why the Americans have been killing Iraqi scientists and professors both male and female. Also the Americans want to change the culture and the traditions of Iraq which has been rooted in them heavily.

It has nothing to do with Islam. The Americans and the British destroyed Iraq's infrastructure, and made it into rubble and they began to encourage ignorance and petty tribalism and racism.

The Americans benefited from the destabilization and destruction of Iraq. Americans and the British are their for the oil and other natural resources.

Americans loved the secular aspect of Baathism and this is why they helped you against Iran. Your problem was trying to pay for your debts by taking control of the world's oils supply...big no-no.

Iraq would have been better if not for it's stupid leader, who had many many chances to come clean and save his nation.

[voron]

It's not the Americans, it's the Israelis. Know your real enemy.

So Jews are the invisible masters pulling the strings? I do not believe that for a moment. American elite is not Jewish, but Anglo-Saxon, so is the English.

[Baboon]

So Jews are the invisible masters pulling the strings? I do not believe that for a moment. American elite is not Jewish, but Anglo-Saxon, so is the English.

Dude, when even American television acknowledges it, what's the point of pretending?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KFjR4f6TZk

:confused:

FYI the Anglos lost power back in the 60s. It's been Jews running the show ever since. The UK I don't know for sure, but I get the impression they lost it sometime in the 1930s over there.

[voron]

Dude, when even American television acknowledges it, what's the point of pretending?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KFjR4f6TZk

:confused:

FYI the Anglos lost power back in the 60s. It's been Jews running the show ever since. The UK I don't know for sure, but I get the impression they lost it sometime in the 1930s over there.

Well if American television says so it must be true.
I do not believe in the paranormal powers of Jews and think that their influence is blown out of proportion, most likely on purpose, kind of like a scapegoat by the real elite running things.
Modern colonialism is a continuation of the past colonialism, which was as bad, if not worse. Were the Jews to blame for the past empires' deeds too?

[Baboon]

Well if American television says so it must be true.
I do not believe in the paranormal powers of Jews and think that their influence is blown out of proportion, most likely on purpose, kind of like a scapegoat by the real elite running things.
Modern colonialism is a continuation of the past colonialism, which was as bad, if not worse. Were the Jews to blame for the past empires' deeds too?

I linked to a video since I figured an article might be too complicated for you. Did you understand what the funny American man was showing?

In my mind there's no doubt that Whitey is responsible for the Old School colonial enterprises. But that same group of people aren't really running the show any more. They got whipped out of the colonies back in the 50s and the 60s. And that was the end of it. Ever since, it's been the Jews together with liberal white elites that have been making the important decisions. And if you don't know the enemy you can't defeat him.

[whitefan415]

This is the reason why the Americans have been killing Iraqi scientists and professors both male and female. Also the Americans want to change the culture and the traditions of Iraq which has been rooted in them heavily.

You kept on saying that but where is the proof American have been killing the Iraqi scientists and professors? Everytime I read it was the your Sunni coreligionist Al-Zarqawi and his followers are behind all of the killing.



The Americans benefited from the destabilization and destruction of Iraq. Americans and the British are their for the oil and other natural resources.
No, American do not benefit from the destabilization of Iraq at all. The Obama administration want to pull out from Iraq as soon as possible because it is a big bottomless pit right there by stationing troops in Iraq and the military expense takes up a huge chunk of Federal Budget where it should be spent on Internal issues like Education, crimes , national infrastructure. That's why he was elected instead of the Warmonger Mccain.

[voron]

I linked to a video since I figured an article might be too complicated for you. Did you understand what the funny American man was showing?

In my mind there's no doubt that Whitey is responsible for the Old School colonial enterprises. But that same group of people aren't really running the show any more. They got whipped out of the colonies back in the 50s and the 60s. And that was the end of it. Ever since, it's been the Jews together with liberal white elites that have been making the important decisions. And if you don't know the enemy you can't defeat him.

Sorry, I don't watch Glen Beck, it drops your IQ by 20 points in 10 minutes.

[Nephilim]

The biggest crime the JEWK ever did in "Iraq" was to betray Assyrians and give all of Mesopotamia to Muslims (Assyrians actually had an ongoing deal with the British Empire known as the "Assyrian Question"). Normally I would hold grudges against the Britons over this, but they're giving away their country to Muslims and blacks nowadays, so I guess it wasn't anything personal against Assyrians because they're repeating the same reckless behaviour at home. Indeed, I agree with Baboon, this is irony.

I however belive that Assyrians are entitled to their land.
South of the North of Iraq was never Assyrian lands. Assyrians cannot claim whole of Iraq. Even the pesudo-Arab Iraqis mostly decent from the Babylonians who although share som ancestery with the Assyrians, are different culturally and ethincally. Although I believe the Assyrians are entitled to their own lands but not to the South, Center or the Western regions. The region basically called Assyria is what is known as Kurdistan.

The British are paying for their sins. Britian have harmed much of the world, and is eating it as result of their colonial empire.

[EliasAlucard]

Americans loved the secular aspect of Baathism and this is why they helped you against Iran. Your problem was trying to pay for your debts by taking control of the world's oils supply...big no-no.

Iraq would have been better if not for it's stupid leader, who had many many chances to come clean and save his nation.It wasn't so much Saddam that was the problem with Iraq as it was the Jews opposing him. He had the Jews against him, and he failed. He wasn't the first to do so either, the Jews took down Hitler too.
So Jews are the invisible masters pulling the strings?No. But Jews have global influence. Do you agree?
I do not believe that for a moment. American elite is not Jewish, but Anglo-Saxon, so is the English.Ever heard of the "neocons"? Jewish influence in America is significant.
I do not believe in the paranormal powers of Jews and think that their influence is blown out of proportion, most likely on purpose, kind of like a scapegoat by the real elite running things..No such thing as Jewish paranormal powers. And their influence isn't blown out of proportion. If anything, it's downplayed a lot.

As a Russian, you should know and be aware of the disproportionate Jewish influence in your country. Take it from a half-Jewish, half-Russian countryman, he knows what he's talking about:

http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7819.html (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpress.princeton.ed u%2Ftitles%2F7819.html)

Anyway, Iraq was invaded by America and Britain because the Jews pushed for it:
“The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.” — Ari Shavit (Source (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.haaretz.com%2F hasen%2Fpages%2FShArt.jhtml%3FitemNo%3D280279))No paranormal powers or anything like that, they simply convinced the JEWSA and the JEWK that it was a good idea to invade Iraq and that it would be profitable to do so. The Americans and Britons, foolish gentiles as they are, played along, and now Iraq as we all know is a mess.

Most ordinary people who follow the mainstream media don't get much information about the Iraq war and blame it all on Bush. It's not that easy, there are other players involved in this sort of dirty politics, and the Jews most certainly have their fair share of corruption on the political scene. You guys should check these sites:

http://www.nowarforisrael.com/ (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nowarforisrael .com%2F)
http://www.counterpunch.org/ (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.counterpunch.o rg%2F)
Modern colonialism is a continuation of the past colonialism, which was as bad, if not worse. Were the Jews to blame for the past empires' deeds too?No. Jews didn't have as much influence back then as they do nowadays.
I however belive that Assyrians are entitled to their land.
South of the North of Iraq was never Assyrian lands. Assyrians cannot claim whole of Iraq. Even the pesudo-Arab Iraqis mostly decent from the Babylonians who although share som ancestery with the Assyrians, are different culturally and ethincally. Although I believe the Assyrians are entitled to their own lands but not to the South, Center or the Western regions. The region basically called Assyria is what is known as Kurdistan.I doubt any Assyrian in his right mind wants to have anything to do with southern Iraq. And Assyrians have a long history with Babylonia. If anything, we're "northern Babylonians". But yes, we dislike Iraqis just as much as you dislike us.
The British are paying for their sins. Britian have harmed much of the world, and is eating it as result of their colonial empire.Britain is heavily Judaized nowadays. Probably more so than other parts of Europe.

[Anodyne]

The British are paying for their sins. Britian have harmed much of the world, and is eating it as result of their colonial empire.

So the son is responsible for the crime of the father? This is the type of reasoning I often find among the self righteous. The obvious error in logic doesn't seem to matter to them. Such people come across as weak because ironically their anger is based on the weakness of their defeated ancestors. Without their ancestor's weakness there would be no way the person can act self righteous. These are the same people who think their ancestors are beyond human nature. "Of course my ancestors wouldn't conquer and abuse others if they had the opportunity?!" they say. Well, since they never had the opportunity because they weren't stronger than their neighbors, the self righteous can sit in the former colony of their enemy and look smugly at his caker neighbors and say to himself, "I don't care that you allow me to benefit from your cultural/political/economic system! You guys are beasts!" But then again, his own ancestors may not be so innocent.

Some influential fellows among the British elite are committing the "punishing act." It's not you or any group that the British had ruled. They have chosen to make British life unbearable. Did you hear how the Labor party actively promoted immigration for the sake of multiculturalism? Official documents have come out revealing how the goal of making Britain multicultural was the main concern of the Labor party's policy on immigration.

[Nephilim]

http://www.nowarforisrael.com/No. Jews didn't have as much influence back then as they do nowadays.I doubt any Assyrian in his right mind wants to have anything to do with southern Iraq. And Assyrians have a long history with Babylonia. If anything, we're "northern Babylonians". But yes, we dislike Iraqis just as much as you dislike us.Britain is heavily Judaized nowadays. Probably more so than other parts of Europe.

Cool we have always disliked each other since times immoral. The Babylonians betrayed the Assyrians when the allied with the Medes and crushed the Assyrian kingdom. I guess dislike that between us, is mutal.

Well Britain has become faliure and iam glad to see its society decay thats all I say. The British have made crimes not only against my people but yours by giving the Kurds their imginary Kurdistan.Believe me although their is dislike between us, most Iraqis would rather see an Assyrian land before a Kurdistan. Also some Iraqi Arabs claim Assyrian ancestory, and when they find out they hate the Kurds even more.

But I really do hope Assyrians get their land from the Kurds who are not the legal natives of the land.

[EliasAlucard]

Cool we have always disliked each other since times immoral. The Babylonians betrayed the Assyrians when the allied with the Medes and crushed the Assyrian kingdom. I guess dislike that between us, is mutal.Yes, and don't forget that Sennacherib razed Babylon to the ground :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon#Assyrian_period (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2 Fwiki%2FBabylon%23Assyrian_period)
Well Britain has become faliure and iam glad to see its society decay thats all I say. The British have made crimes not only against my people but yours by giving the Kurds their imginary Kurdistan.Believe me although their is dislike between us, most Iraqis would rather see an Assyrian land before a Kurdistan. Also some Iraqi Arabs claim Assyrian ancestory, and when they find out they hate the Kurds even more.I personally don't hold any grudges against the British people over this; it's mainly their political leaders I have a problem with, most of which have been anti-intellectual. They simply couldn't handle the responsibility of running one of the world's major empires. They didn't learn anything from history. They fucked things up not only in Mesopotamia but also at home. Britain is filled with Muslims and blacks nowadays, it's becoming a "cosmopolitan" area. But I don't think this is over quite yet for Britain. I predict things will change in Britain and also France, during this century.
But I really do hope Assyrians get their land from the Kurds who are not the legal natives of the land.As far as I'm concerned, if that happens, both Kurds and Iraqi Muslims have a heavy price to pay for what they've done to Assyrians during all this time. Iraqis and Kurds better kill as many Assyrians as possible while they still can do so. Don't think we Assyrians are just going to forget about all this shit.

[Nephilim]

Yes, and don't forget that Sennacherib razed Babylon to the ground :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babylon#Assyrian_period (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2 Fwiki%2FBabylon%23Assyrian_period)I personally don't hold any grudges against the British people over this; it's mainly their political leaders I have a problem with, most of which have been anti-intellectual. They simply couldn't handle the responsibility of running one of the world's major empires. They didn't learn anything from history. They fucked things up not only in Mesopotamia but also at home. Britain is filled with Muslims and blacks nowadays, it's becoming a "cosmopolitan" area. But I don't think this is over quite yet for Britain. I predict things will change in Britain and also France, during this century.As far as I'm concerned, if that happens, both Kurds and Iraqi Muslims have a heavy price to pay for what they've done to Assyrians during all this time. Iraqis and Kurds better kill as many Assyrians as possible while they still can do so. Don't think we Assyrians are just going to forget about all this shit.


Yes, like I said the Assyrians and the Babylonians never really got along.

Well I don't hold grudge against the individual British individual but to their elite. However many of the issues that are in the Middle East are legacy of the British empire. Well they ultimately failed and became a mockery. I certinaly have no sympathy. I say lets the South Asian Muslims and Blacks take it over, just like they displaced my people from their original home, know they now who it will feel.

With the South Asian Muslims pretty much having the advatange and winning. As France I could care less about it.

Wishing genicode is never good thing. I don't mind unless they are trying to take our lands. Then yes a fight will happen and who wins takes all. However the Iraqis will not cower down to anyone. They are the most stubborn people, if they are willing to fly through the bullets. Their traitors and Uncle Toms but I assure their a miniority. Iraqis value honor in death before dishonor.

Believe me, that would cause more bloodshed and hatered. In Iraq the Assyrians are playing very minor role in the whole conflict. However winning is not easy to come by.

However if Iraq is seperated into Sunnistan, Shiastan and Kurdistan. Then you should fight with the Kurds. The Sunnistan would probably annexed by Saudi Arabia, and Shiastan by Iran. Leaving Kurdistan open to the air. However as the Sunnis and Shias becoming more united a formation of Iraq and Kurdistan.

I would say fininish Kurds and if you have power come to Babylonia and end your longest arche enemies to have existed. But I like I said the winning would be the most difficult to come by.

No one can keep the Iraqis under control, not even brutal dicators, this why Saddam resumed to brutal tactics. They are wild, fee and barbarian by nature. When their is war, even the women are allowed to fight in wars, a tatic they learned from the Mongols.

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Kidnap and torture: new claims of Army war crimes in Iraq

Robert Verkaik reveals evidence of systemic ill-treatment of civilians by British soldiers in the aftermath of the overthrow of Saddam


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The British Army is facing new allegations that it was involved in "forced disappearances", hostage-taking and torture of Iraqi civilians after the fall of the regime of Saddam Hussein.


One of the claims is made by the former chairman of the Red Crescent in Basra, who alleges he was beaten unconscious by British soldiers after they accused him of being a senior official in Saddam's Baath party.

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The family of another Iraqi civilian claims he was arrested and kidnapped by the British in order to secure the surrender of his brother, who was also accused of being a high-ranking member of the party. He was later found shot dead, still handcuffed and wearing a UK prisoner name tag.

Both cases are being prepared for hearings in the High Court in which the Government will be accused of war crimes while carrying out the arrest and detention of alleged senior members of the Baath party.

Last month, the first British soldier to be convicted of a war crime was jailed for a year and dismissed from the Army after being convicted of mistreating Iraqi civilians, including the hotel worker Baha Mousa, who died of his injuries at the hands of British soldiers. Six other soldiers, including Col Jorge Mendonca, were cleared of all charges.

Lawyers and rights groups say the worrying aspect of these latest allegations is that they show evidence of systemic abuse by British soldiers soon after the fall of Saddam.

Fouad Awdah Al-Saadoon, 67, chairman of the Iraqi Red Crescent in Basra, alleges he was visited by British soldiers at his offices in the city on 12 April 2003 and was taken to the British base at the former Mukhabarat [intelligence] building. In his witness statement, Mr Saadoon said he was accused of being a member of the Baath party and of using his organisation's ambulances secretly to transport Iraqi militia.

In a detailed account of the abuse that he alleges he suffered, Mr Saadoon recalls: "As soon as I went inside they started beating me. They used electric cables and wooden batons and they harshly punched me with their hands and boots. I had a heart problem, I was a diabetic and had high blood pressure. I was hit repeatedly on my eyes which made me collapse unconscious."

Mr Saadoon was later transferred to the joint American/British-run detention centre called Camp Bucca, in southern Iraq, which the British had set up to process prisoners at the start of the war. He was interrogated for five days. Because of the injuries sustained during the beatings his condition worsened and he claims the British flew him to Kuwait for a heart operation. There he claims he was visited by the International Federation of the Red Crescent whose representatives expressed concern at his alleged treatment by the British.

In the second case, a 26-year-old Iraqi civilian, Tarek Hassan, was arrested in a dawn raid by British troops involved in the rounding up of Baath party officials on 24 April 2003. His family allege he was held hostage by the British in exchange for the surrender of his brother, Kadhim Hassan, a member of the Baath party.

Five months after his arrest, his family received a phone call to say his body had been found dumped in Samarra, north of Baghdad and 550 miles from the detention centre where he had been held. Kadhim Hassan, 37, has spent the past three years trying to establish the circumstances that led to the death of his brother. Now Iraqi human rights workers and British lawyers have uncovered vital witnesses to his arrest and detention. They have also recovered Tarek's UK identity tag, which indicates he was a British prisoner.

In his witness statement, Kadhim recalls the night his bother was arrested. "The British were looking for me as I was a high-ranking member of the Baath party," he said. "I suspect that a financial dispute with one of my neighbours made him inform the British of my rank and he possibly told them some lies which made them look for me." Kadhim had left the family a few hours before the armoured vehicles carrying the soldiers arrived. When his sisters contacted the British to find out where the British had taken Tarek, they were told that he would only be released if Kadhim gave himself up. That was the last they heard of him until five months later.

"He was found," said Kadhim, "by locals in the countryside ... We went to collect him from the morgue in Samarra, where we found him with eight bullet wounds to his chest. They were Kalashnikov bullets. His hands were tied with plastic wire and had many bruises."

Now it emerges that Mr Saadoon, who has left Iraq and is working as a businessman in Dubai, met Tarek shortly after he was flown back to Camp Bucca from Kuwait, where he had been receiving medical care.

"I was brought back to Camp Bucca in a van on 21 April and placed in a tent, which held 400 prisoners. On 24 April Tarek Hassan was brought to our tent. He was very scared and confused. He told me British troops had raided his house and were looking for his brother who left the house before the soldiers had arrived. As I was in bad health, Tarek used to bring me food and care for me. Tarek was never interrogated while I was at Camp Bucca."

On 27 April the International Federation of the Red Crescent requested the British to free Mr Saadoon and that night he and all 200 others were released in the middle of the night on the highway between Basra and Zubai. "We had to walk 25 miles to reach the nearest place where we could hire cars," remembers Mr Saadoon.

The Government denies being involved in the injuries suffered by Mr Saadoon or responsibility for Tarek's death. In letters to the family, the Ministry of Defence makes the point that the bullets that may have killed him were fired from a Kalashnikov weapon and that the area where his body was found was not an area of operations associated with British forces.

But the Hassan family's solicitor, Phil Shiner, of Public Interest Lawyers, said the evidence showed Tarek disappeared at the hands of UK forces and that the circumstances of his release "significantly increased the risk to his life".

In recent correspondence, the MoD has admitted to the Hassan family that Tarek was held at Camp Bucca but claims that it is a US-run camp and so not the responsibility of the British.

Mr Shiner, who is acting in both cases, said: "The Government deny any responsibility in a case where a man has been kidnapped by UK forces and killed. It is a matter of public record that our agents were torturing Iraqis at Camp Bucca and continued to hand over detainees to the Iraqi criminal system even though there was a serious risk of torture or death in detention. This case is important because if the UK have jurisdiction it cannot allow these incidents to continue and must properly investigate previous incidents".

Mazin Younis, chair of the Iraqi League, a UK-based rights group, said: "The cases we have reported so far may only be the tip of an iceberg of systematic abuse procedures devised high up the command chain in the Army. The scale of such cases greatly necessitates the need for the Government to start a public inquiry."

Camp Bucca, a 'holding facility' with a history of allegations

The secure holding facility in the desert near the city of Umm Qasr, close to the Kuwaiti border, was originally called Camp Freddy and used by British forces to hold Iraqi prisoners of war.

But in April 2003 control of the camp was transferred to the Americans, although there was a "secure and discrete" unit within the camp that remained exclusively British. In 2003 the British had control of two tent compounds, holding roughly 400 prisoners each. The Americans had six similar compounds.

The camp is designed to hold between 2,000 and 2,500 prisoners but figures released in March 2006 estimated that it held 8,500 Iraqi detainees.

There have been a number of inquiries into alleged abusive treatment at the camp, mostly related to the Americans.

In February 2005 American soldiers killed four detainees and injured six others to quell a riot in which prisoners were armed with stones.

But the British have also been accused of abuse, specifically the hooding of prisoners, which led to concerns being raised with the International Committee of the Red Cross.

Six of the men detained with Baha Mousa were later taken to Camp Bucca. Conditions in the camp are known to be primitive, with open trenches used as lavatories.

The prisoners were forced to sleep on the desert floor, at risk from scorpions and snakes, and were only given one blanket at night when temperatures can fall below zero.

Since May 2003, 27 prisoners have escaped from Camp Bucca, 18 of whom have been recaptured. A number of attempts at mass escape have been foiled.

The Ministry of Defence says that apart from two spells in 2003, Camp Bucca has been run by the Americans.

Soldiers in the dock

Camp Breadbasket

On 15 May 2003 the 1st Battalion of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers captured Iraqis looting an aid camp in Operation Ali-Baba. They were detained for a brief period during which they were beaten, forced to simulate oral and anal sex and suspended from a forklift truck. Later that month, Fusilier Gary Bartlam, 20, of Tamworth, Staffordshire, took a film to be developed containing 22 photographs of abuse taking place. This triggered a lengthy court martial at a British Army barracks in Osnabruck, Germany. Bartlam pleaded guilty to three charges of ill treatment of Iraqi prisoners. Cpl Daniel Kenyon, 33, from Newcastle, denied six charges of abuse. He was convicted of three, cleared of two charges and the remaining charge was dropped. L/Cpl Mark Cooley, 25, from Newcastle, denied two charges of abuse but was found guilty of both. L/Cpl Darren Larkin, 30, from Oldham, Greater Manchester, admitted to one charge of assault but denied another. The second charge was dropped.

Baha Mousa

The hotel worker and son of an Iraqi police colonel died on 16 September 2003 while in custody of the Queen's Lancashire Regiment at a detention centre near Basra. The building had formerly been the secret service headquarters of Ali Majid (Chemical Ali). Cpl Donald Payne, 36, became Britain's first convicted war criminal when he admitted inhumanely treating civilian detainees. Six other soldiers were cleared by a military court in Bulford, Wiltshire, of abusing Mr Mousa and other detainees.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/kidnap-and-torture-new-claims-of-army-war-crimes-in-iraq-449342.html





.S., British heads of state charged for war crimes in Iraq
By Caleb T. Maupin

Published Oct 25, 2009 11:09 PM
In the high Spanish court called the Audiencia Nacional, charges for international crimes had already been lodged against Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet and other nefarious world leaders. On Oct. 6, new charges were brought charging Tony Blair, Bill Clinton, Margaret Thatcher, George H. W. Bush, George W. Bush, Gordon Brown and Barack Obama with crimes against humanity for their responsibility for harming the people of Iraq.

The next day, Oct. 7, the Senate in Madrid voted to change the law allowing such charges to be made, but the Oct. 6 charges remain in force.

The news release issued by those bringing the charges says that they are prosecuting “19 years of intended destruction.” The charges include the bombing of civilians, the starvation by sanctions that resulted in over one million deaths, as well as the invasion and occupation of the country.

The complainants seek to bring these world leaders to justice. The charges are filed on behalf of the 500,000 children who, according to the World Health Organization, died because sanctions stopped food aid and other necessities from reaching to the Iraqi people.

The case also seeks justice for the victims of the bombing campaigns that destroyed the water purification services of Iraq, as well as for the hundreds of thousands who died in the invasion and occupation beginning in 2003, when foreign troops illegally prowled through the neighborhoods, cities and countrysides of Iraq, violating the rights of this sovereign nation that refused to bow before the interests of Wall Street.

The tortures at Abu Ghraib and the approval they received from the Pentagon have also been listed among the crimes. The 2003 government of the Spanish state, led by rightist Prime Minister José Aznar, colluded with the invasion. In March 2004, a bombing in the main Atocha train station in Madrid killed over 100 people. An election held only days after the bombing removed Aznar. The new Socialist Party government removed Spanish troops from Iraq.

Many hope now that the U.S. and British leaders named in the indictment will be held accountable for their crimes. The charges have again brought before the public the extent of the imperialist crimes in Iraq, which at least in the U.S. are systematically ignored by the corporate media. For more information, see brusselstribunal.org.





The Media Are Minimizing US and British War Crimes in Iraq
by George Monbiot

We were told that the Iraqis don't count. Before the invasion began, the head of US central command, General Thomas Franks, boasted that "we don't do body counts". His claim was repeated by Donald Rumsfeld in November 2003 ("We don't do body counts on other people") and the Pentagon last January ("The only thing we keep track of is casualties for US troops and civilians").

But it's not true. Almost every week the Pentagon claims to have killed 50 or 70 or 100 insurgents in its latest assault on the latest stronghold of the ubiquitous monster Zarqawi. In May the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff said that his soldiers had killed 250 of Zarqawi's "closest lieutenants" (or so 500 of his best friends had told him). But last week, the Pentagon did something new. Buried in its latest security report to Congress is a bar chart labeled "average daily casualties - Iraqi and coalition. 1 Jan 04-16 Sep 05". The claim that it kept no track of Iraqi deaths was false.

The report does not explain what it means by casualty, or if its figures represent all casualties, only insurgents, or, as the foregoing paragraph appears to hint, only civilians killed by insurgents. There is no explanation of how the figures were gathered or compiled. The only accompanying text consists of the words "Source: MNC-I", which means Multi-National Corps - Iraq. We'll just have to trust them.

What the chart shows is that these unexplained casualties have more than doubled since the beginning of the Pentagon's survey. From January to March 2004, 26 units of something or other were happening every day, while in September 2005 the something or other rose to 64. But whatever it is that's been rising, the weird morality of this war dictates that it is reported as good news. Journalists have been multiplying the daily average of mystery units by the number of days, discovering that the figure is lower than previous estimates of Iraqi deaths, and using it to cast doubts on them. As ever, the study in the line of fire is the report published by the Lancet in October last year.

It was a household survey - of 988 homes in 33 randomly selected districts - and it suggested, on the basis of the mortality those households reported before and after the invasion, that the risk of death in Iraq had risen by a factor of 1.5; somewhere between 8,000 and 194,000 extra people had died, with the most probable figure being 98,000. Around half the deaths, if Falluja was included, or 15% if it was not, were caused by violence, and the majority of those by attacks on the part of US forces.

In the US and the UK, the study was either ignored or torn to bits. The media described it as "inflated", "overstated", "politicized" and "out of proportion". Just about every possible misunderstanding and distortion of its statistics was published, of which the most remarkable was the Observer's claim that: "The report's authors admit it drew heavily on the rebel stronghold of Falluja, which has been plagued by fierce fighting. Strip out Falluja, as the study itself acknowledged, and the mortality rate is reduced dramatically." In fact, as they made clear on page one, the authors had stripped out Falluja; their estimate of 98,000 deaths would otherwise have been much higher.

But the attacks in the press succeeded in sinking the study. Now, whenever a newspaper or broadcaster produces an estimate of civilian deaths, the Lancet report is passed over in favor of lesser figures. For the past three months, the editors and subscribers of the website Medialens have been writing to papers and broadcasters to try to find out why. The standard response, exemplified by a letter from the BBC's online news service last week, is that the study's "technique of sampling and extrapolating from samples has been criticized". That's true, and by the same reasoning we could dismiss the fact that 6 million people were killed in the Holocaust, on the grounds that this figure has also been criticized, albeit by skinheads. The issue is not whether the study has been criticized, but whether the criticism is valid.

As Medialens has pointed out, it was the same lead author, using the same techniques, who reported that 1.7 million people had died as a result of conflict in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). That finding has been cited by Tony Blair, Colin Powell and almost every major newspaper on both sides of the Atlantic, and none has challenged either the method or the result. Using the Congo study as justification, the UN security council called for all foreign armies to leave the DRC and doubled the country's UN aid budget.

The other reason the press gives for burying the Lancet study is that it is out of line with competing estimates. Like Jack Straw, wriggling his way around the figures in a written ministerial statement, they compare it to the statistics compiled by the Iraqi health ministry and the website Iraq Body Count.

In December 2003, Associated Press reported that "Iraq's health ministry has ordered a halt to a count of civilians killed during the war". According to the head of the ministry's statistics department, both the puppet government and the Coalition Provisional Authority demanded that it be stopped. As Naomi Klein has shown on these pages, when US soldiers stormed Falluja (a year ago today), their first action was to seize the general hospital and arrest the doctors. The New York Times reported that "the hospital was selected as an early target because the American military believed that it was the source of rumors about heavy casualties". After the coalition had used these novel statistical methods to improve the results, Blair told parliament that "figures from the Iraqi ministry of health, which are a survey from the hospitals there, are in our view the most accurate survey there is". I

Iraq Body Count, whose tally has reached 26,000-30,000, measures only civilian deaths which can be unambiguously attributed to the invasion and which have been reported by two independent news agencies. As the compilers point out, "it is likely that many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported by the media ... our own total is certain to be an underestimate of the true position, because of gaps in reporting or recording". Of the seven mortality reports surveyed by the Overseas Development Institute, the estimate in the Lancet's paper was only the third highest. It remains the most thorough study published so far. Extraordinary as its numbers seem, they are the most likely to be true.

And what of the idea that most of the violent deaths in Iraq are caused by coalition troops? Well according to the Houston Chronicle, even Blair's favorite data source, the Iraqi health ministry, reports that twice as many Iraqis - and most of them civilians - are being killed by US and UK forces as by insurgents. When the Pentagon claims that it has just killed 50 or 70 or 100 rebel fighters, we have no means of knowing who those people really were. Everyone it blows to pieces becomes a terrorist. In July Jack Keane, the former vice chief of staff of the US army, claimed that coalition troops had killed or captured more than 50,000 "insurgents" since the start of the rebellion. Perhaps they were all Zarqawi's closest lieutenants.

We can expect the US and UK governments to seek to minimize the extent of their war crimes. But it's time the media stopped collaborating.



The Crimes continues.

[EliasAlucard]

Well I don't hold grudge against the individual British individual but to their elite. However many of the issues that are in the Middle East are legacy of the British empire. Well they ultimately failed and became a mockery. I certinaly have no sympathy. I say lets the South Asian Muslims and Blacks take it over, just like they displaced my people from their original home, know they now who it will feel.I can't agree with you on that one. I don't think it would be a good idea if Muslims and Negroids take over Britain. What good could possibly come out of that?

[Nephilim]

I can't agree with you on that one. I don't think it would be a good idea if Muslims and Negroids take over Britain. What good could possibly come out of that?

Its not about the good or the bad, but its more deeper than that. Its to feel that your are displaced. The South Asians have higher birthrates, and for the Blacks well I can not say much about them, but the South Asian Muslim or otherwise are slowly conquering Britan.

The humilation of Britan the so called Great, just like it humilated other people. Nothing more and nothing less.

We agreed on somethings but our opinions, believes and thoughts differ radically from one another.:)

[Nephilim]

You kept on saying that but where is the proof American have been killing the Iraqi scientists and professors? Everytime I read it was the your Sunni coreligionist Al-Zarqawi and his followers are behind all of the killing.


No, American do not benefit from the destabilization of Iraq at all. The Obama administration want to pull out from Iraq as soon as possible because it is a big bottomless pit right there by stationing troops in Iraq and the military expense takes up a huge chunk of Federal Budget where it should be spent on Internal issues like Education, crimes , national infrastructure. That's why he was elected instead of the Warmonger Mccain.


The Americans have been funding Al-Zarqawi and his minions, because they are the arm of the U.S. In fact the U.S allowed Saudis and Iranians to enter into Iraq, and to create a proxy civil war between the two most important Islamic nations. Saudi Arabia which is by defacto is leader of the Sunni and the Arab world. Well Iran is the leader of the Shia world, and the Iranic world. Thus the battle in Iraq is an Arab and Persian conflict. This did not really go well for the Americans, as the Sunnis have still resentment toward the Jordanians and Saudis who betrayed them. Thus the Sunnis minimized the conflict. Iran itself is backing out, although the Shia elite is mostly of Iranian origins such as Al-Sistani and Al-Hakim.

In fact Shiaism is Persian nationalism that veiled as an Islamic sect and movement. It origins lay when the Sassanid empire fell, to the Arabs. The last Sassanid princess Sharbanu the daughter of Yazgrid III. Sharbanu would be wed to Huessian and from her union, would be the line of the 12 Imams. It was this reason why the Persians are mostly Shias. The 12 Imam are the successors of the Sassanids by virtue of that union.

As for the scientists


URGENT APPEAL TO SAVE IRAQ'S ACADEMICS.

A little known aspect of the tragedy engulfing Iraq is the systematic liquidation of the country's academics. Even according to conservative estimates, over 250 educators have been assassinated, and many hundreds more have disappeared. With thousands fleeing the country in fear for their lives, not only is Iraq undergoing a major brain drain, the secular middle class - which has refused to be co-opted by the US occupation - is being decimated, with far-reaching consequences for the future of Iraq.

Already on July 14, 2004, veteran correspondent Robert Fisk reported from Iraq that: "University staff suspect that there is a campaign to strip Iraq of its academics, to complete the destruction of Iraq's cultural identity which began when the American army entered Baghdad."

The wave of assassinations appears non-partisan and non-sectarian, targeting women as well as men, and is countrywide. It is indiscriminate of expertise: professors of geography, history and Arabic literature as well as science are among the dead. Not one individual has been apprehended in connection with these assassinations.

According to the United Nations University, some 84 per cent of Iraq's institutions of higher education have already been burnt, looted or destroyed. Iraq's educational system used to be among the best in the region; one of the country's most important assets was its well-educated people.

This situation is a mirror of the occupation as a whole: a catastrophe of staggering proportions unfolding in a climate of criminal disregard. As an occupying power, and under international humanitarian law, final responsibility for protecting Iraqi citizens, including academics, lies with the United States.

With this petition we want to break the silence.

1. We appeal to organisations which work to enforce or defend international humanitarian law to put these crimes on the agenda.

2. We request that an independent international investigation be launched immediately to probe these extrajudicial killings. This investigation should also examine the issue of responsibility to clearly identify who is accountable for this state of affairs. We appeal to the special rapporteur on summary executions at UNHCHR in Geneva.




If the Americans and the British really want to make Iraq into beacon of light to the nation of the Middle East. Why did they encourage the decimation of Iraqi scientists and professors. The Americans and the British want to kill the educated elite, and let the population decay socially and morally. They know the old cliche that education and knowledge is power. Take that away from the people, and they would be easily enslaved. The slave masters in America knew this, and this why they did not let their Black slaves learn to read or be educated. The want one thing from Iraq its natural resources, and if they could decimate the whole population probably the land itself. In Iraq for example many people have said they will not do to us what they have done to the Red Indians, and Australians. Also its not all only scientists that have been killed by the educated class. The Iraqis know the Anglo-American motivation in the invasion. Democracy and Freedom what a bunch of BS.



Many academics have been killed in Iraq since the American occupation began according to the Iraqi Union of University Lecturers.

The most striking fact is that the majority of those killed were not sciencists (thus targeted for the alleged knowledge of Iraq’s weapon’s programme) but were involved in field of humanities (such as law, geography and history). The motives for these assassinations are unknown.

This ‘war on Learning’, as Robert Fisk, a reporter in Iraq for the Independent called it, is making Iraqi intellectual’s work impossible and further augments the view that a ‘normal life’ in Iraq is far too dangerous for them. According to an article in the Times Higher Education Supplement: ‘there is a widespread feeling among the Iraqi academics that they are witnessing a deliberate attempt to destroy intellectual life in Iraq’. Furthermore, quoting Dr Sinawi – a geologist formerly employed at Baghdad University and interview by THES- the academic dismissals, the assassination of intellectuals will bring a ‘disruption of higher education in Iraq for years to come. This will dramatically affect the standard of teaching and research for generations’. Source: http://www.nearinternational.org/alerts/iraq320040915en.php

Many academics in Iraq are imprisoned, were discharged, have disappeared, or were forced into exile


http://www.brusselstribunal.org/Academics.htm


I agree the American have bee defeated on both fronts. In Afghanistan and Iraq. It was foolish ever to go to Afghanistan, not even the mighty British imperial forces could not conquer and colonize the nation, and also nor the Russians, and the only successful people to ever take the land where the Turkic and Mongol steppe peoples. The resistance to the Americans in Afghanistan is becoming more stronger than ever before, and those who had thought that the American invasion bringing enlightenment, but they are now waking up, and their hate toward the Americans and the British increasing each day and night. This also the same in Iraq.

The Iraqi and the Afghan war in fact show the decline of America and Britain and the general Western world in decline.

Maccain would have humiliated the world superpower, because the defeat would have been declared official. For example in the Sunni areas of the triangle and the Western regions, the resistance is one of the heaviest to the American and British forces. They were not welcomed. In fact most of Iraqis did not welcome or greet the Americans with open arms, it was only the Kurds and Iranian loyalist, and some Uncle Toms. This why was the disaster to the Americans and British, they were not greeted as friends but enemies who want to steal the resources of the land, and bring moral decaying elements. The Iraqis are not fools, and they were already free, unlike now whom their land and honor is being violated everyday by the so called freedom fighters." I would rather be a slave to my cousin than to a stranger."

Once you know Britain is in their, its not about freedom its about cheap resources and exploiting them. The British empire did not really die, at least in the Middle East, its has become hidden. The British still control the Uncle Tom puppet states of Jordan and Arabia.

Britain tagged the Americans because they still want to the glory and the allure of the British empire.

[Humata]

In fact Shiaism is Persian nationalism that veiled as an Islamic sect and movement.


Quoted for truth, although I would describe it differently.

It is not Persian nationalism that is the precept behind Shi'ism; it is Persian independence. Both historically and in modern times, Iranians have never desired to become a part of the greater Arab world. People often mistake the passionate displays of piety by Iran's religious Shi'a with a conflated sense of admiration and veneration towards the Arabs. If you ask a practicing and devout Shi'a Iranian whether they hold Arabian culture above their own, you are likely to hear the following contradiction:

"Islam is a way of life, and if Arabian culture is Islamic culture, then it is superior to all. But Iranian culture is our own."

My brother has a book in his possession written by an author who traveled extensively in Iran, to trace the influence Zoroastrianism had on the greater region. Besides exploring Mithraism, the religious influence on the Abrahamic faiths and the cultural impact Zoroastrianism still has on Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asia, he yielded evidence of Zoroastrian influence in Shi'ism. I recall some Sunni scholars coming to the same conclusion, and declaring Iranian Shi'ism to be a heresy of sorts.

Of course, Shi'ism can be used in an Iranian nationalist's argument against pervasive Islamic influence in Iran, by citing the above.

I would disagree with Iranian nationalists who purport the above, as Shi'a Islam has not deviated tremendously from it's Sunni equivalent despite the noticeable Zoroastrian influence. It is still an Abrahamic/Semitic-derived faith, and still follows the five pillars of Islam. For the sake of simplicity, it is a "Persianate" form of Islam, but is still Islam nonetheless.

[windie]

Nephilim,I think the British went into Iraq because they're were the closest allies to the united states ,and because of 9/11. At first I was with the Iraq war ,but then I changed my mine after no weapons were found. Since the attacks on the u.s. The relationship between Britain the united states Israel and Muslim world have gotten worst. I tend to sympathise with the Israelis more than any one else. I also feel for Iraqis,especially Afro Iraqis(since I can relate to them being brought in as slaves) Christian Iraqis and kurds. Since 9/11 many Islamic followers had to humble themselves ,and now understand what some groups have been living with for generations . Islamaphobia is rising as we speak and un fortunely innocent suffer with the guilty. I apologize for going a little off track. ;@

[whitefan415]

The Americans have been funding Al-Zarqawi and his minions, because they are the arm of the U.S.



Good ol' Nephilim. No wonder why EliasAlucard mentioned many times he wants to ban you for the sake of keeping this place QBQ free. You have the tendency to deviate the topic under the pretense that you are winning in the debate. None of the articles you quoted said American were the one killed the Iraqi scientists.

Are you saying American are funding Al-Zarqawi in Iraq so the American can learn to experience with IED,EFP, suicide bombing and other ruthless tactics that Al-Zarqawi and his group have been employing to kill the American? You might as well saying American funded Bin Laden in Sep 11:thumbsup: Yes, I know Al-Zarqawi and Bin Laden were financially supported by US back in the Soviet-Afghanistan war in 80's but don't get the story mixed up, we are talking about 2001 - present here.