y-DNA F

[Humanist]

Creating a thread for the discussion of Y-DNA F. If others exist (I assume they do), please merge this thread.

The men included below may all belong to F3. The SNP page is not public at FTDNA.

FTDNA F Project, for all 67 marker haplotypes. Removed DYS464.

I found the position of the lone confirmed German sample, and the cyan English sample particularly interesting, given the possible (http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/11/near-eastern-origin-of-european.html) Y-DNA F found in Haak et al. (http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1000536) Edit: And kit numbers 95628 and 162819.

1. PHYLIP. Kitsch. (first, at bottom)
2. SplitsTree. NeighborNet/ConvexHull (second, at bottom)

Group I (Black)
95628 Berry Unknown Origin F

Group III (Green)
150898 Boyer Unknown Origin F
24676 Boyd (boyatt) United Kingdom F
95377 Boyette Unknown Origin F
102538 Boyett Unknown Origin F
103311 Boyett Unknown Origin F
25086 Boyette Unknown Origin F
30389 Boyette Unknown Origin F
152923 Boyett Unknown Origin F
25431 Boyett Unknown Origin F
27860 Boyett United Kingdom F
26893 Boyett United Kingdom F

Group IV (Red)
19746 Slagle Germany F
162819 Mohns Unknown Origin F

Group VI (Blue)
104403 Sharp Ireland F
N23773 Sharp Unknown Origin F
51626 Sharp Unknown Origin F
66728 Butler England F
73049 Crawford Scotland F
175045 Reeves Unknown Origin F3
109142 Giessel Czech Republic F
54283 Coe United States F
N47214 Buursink Netherlands F

Group VII (Cyan)
114737 Wright England F

Ungrouped
164203 Melik-Grigoryan Armenian F3
164944 Baghdoyan Armenian F3

N37056 Lazar Assyrian F3

217766 Taleb Bahrain F3

M6309 Al Hussaini United Arab Emirates F

127699 Unknown Origin F

218679 Root France F
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http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/ydna_f_67_exl464.jpg


2.

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/splitstree_f_52812.jpg

[newtoboard]

What do you think of F* in South Asia? Neolithic West Asian (like iN Europe) or an earlier ASI-like migration?

[Humanist]

What do you think of F* in South Asia? Neolithic West Asian (like iN Europe) or an earlier ASI-like migration?

Are the F* genuinely F* if one refers to the ISOGG F tree? They might be. It depends on when the studies were done, and the range of SNPs tested for. I ask because F3 was identified, if I am not mistaken, in 2010. Thanks to the efforts of Peter Hrechdakian, and the Armenians. If not F3, and genuinely F* based on the current tree at ISOGG, they might represent another parallel line (e.g. F5). Or, they might be ancestral to the F3 men. Further understanding of the phylogeny is needed.

Map, including locations for men listed in the original post above. Capital cities were used for the majority. Assyrians are a bit northwest of Nineveh, in what is today N Iraq. Armenians are a bit north of Van, in what is today E Turkey. The Irish, English, and Scottish are represented by one spot on the map. This should not be taken as an exclusive list, since it is only for those men who have paid to have their Y chromosome tested with FTDNA.

http://i1096.photobucket.com/albums/g326/dok101/ydna_f_spots_.jpg

[~Elizabeth~]

I have one 23andme cousin who is an F ydna. He's from Italy.

[pgbk87]

My cousin's Y-DNA F* turned out to be H* :lol:

[~Elizabeth~]

I have one 23andme cousin who is an F ydna. He's from Italy.

Humanist,

I hadn't logged into my 23andme for a few days and when I logged in today I went to find out the name of the town in Italy of my YDNA F match to share with you but it turns out I don't have a YDNA F match. The man I was thinking of has a L* YDNA. And he is American but his father was from Sicily. I guess you don't need to know the town now. I'm sorry for the unintentional mix-up.


I have one F (F1a1) mtDNA match.

[YHaplogroupF]

I joined 23andMe a few months ago, and was surprised to find that I was identified as having Y-DNA haplogroup F*. I was also identified as 100% North European. I have done a fair amount of family history research over the past 30 years, and have yet to find any ancestry not English, Manx or Irish, although 23andMe reckon my DNA most closely resembles Orcadian or Norwegian (compared with indigenous populations pre-continental migration, or around 500 years ago). Among those identified as my relatives within their database, there is one who shares the same haplogroup, and his surname is, probably unsurprisingly, 'Boyette', so it seems most likely to me that my true parental line is Boyette. The relative is estimated at 5th cousin, and he also shares a small section of DNA on Chromasome 7.

Whilst my relative is American, I suspect that our common ancestor was most likely born in England, probably before 1800, and that any adoption or illegitimacy occurred before 1900. A group of Boyett families lived in Hampshire, and there were families with my surname living there at the same time, although I have yet to link my family back there yet, so it looks most likely to me that my Boyett ancestor was born at the earlier end of the scale (i.e. around 1800 or before).

Given the lack of DNA evidence of English Boyetts with the F paternal haplogroup, I hope my input here might throw a little light on the possible origins within Europe of us rare European F Haplogroup people.

[YHaplogroupF]

The "Great Britain Family Names Profiling" website presents the findings of a project based at University College London (UCL) that is investigating the distribution of surnames in Great Britain, both current and historic.

Here are the 1881 results for the "Boyett" surname, showing the greatest concentration occuring on the Isle of Wight:

http://gbnames.publicprofiler.org/Map.aspx?name=BOYETT&year=1881&altyear=1998&country=GB&type=name

The Isle of Wight was first mentioned by the Roman historian Suetonius, who said that the island was captured by the commander Vespasian, who later became emperor. It was subsequently invaded by the Jutes and later the Normans, and attacked by Vikings.