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Cuddly Snuggly
2010-04-22, 22:20
I'll post more on this subject as time goes on. Don't have the time right now. Feel free to discuss the irrationality of Hate Crime Laws, as well. Aren't all violent crimes motivated by hate? Are Hate crimes accurately reported? Isn't it odd that groups that its meant to protect are one of the worst offenders (Blacks in the U.S. and Muslims in Europe)?


The Hate Crimes You Don’t Hear About

by Russ Kick


Cleveland, Ohio. A white man on a moped accidentally bumped into a truck being driven by a black man. He fell over but was not injured. A crowd of 40 white people pulled the black driver from the truck and brutally beat him. One of them climbed in the truck and ran over the driver, killing him. The crowd cheered.

Jacksonville, Florida. A group of four to six white men agreed that they would brutalize the next black person they saw walking down the street. That person turned out to be a mentally disabled 50-year-old, whom they beat and stomped into unconsciousness. He later died of his injuries.

Are you surprised that you’ve never heard of these sickening murders based on racial hatred? You didn’t see saturation coverage on the news. You didn’t hear politicians decrying racism. You didn’t see a livid Jesse Jackson on CNN. Why? Because these acts of brutality didn’t happen exactly as I described above. Oh, they happened, all right. The only thing is, the races of the attackers and victims were reversed. That is, a white man was beaten and then crushed by a mob of 40 black people who were furious that a black man bumped into his truck.¹ In Jacksonville, it was a gang of black men who stomped a mentally-disabled man to death solely because he was white.²

Because these hate crimes were perpetrated by black against whites — even though they were based completely on racial hatred — the national media, politicians, and civil rights leaders ignored them.
If these acts of savagery had indeed happened as I originally described them above, you would have heard about them. But because they were perpetrated by blacks against whites — even though they were based completely on racial hatred — the national media, politicians, and civil rights leaders ignored them. As opposed to the deaths of Yusef Hawkins and James Byrd, these deaths are only reported in the local media. And even then, the races of the people involved are often not mentioned.

Below are some more hate crimes that have been ignored because they happened the “wrong way” (i.e., they were black-on-white instead of white-on-black).

* Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Upset about a racial name-calling that occurred earlier that night, several black men savagely beat a random white man who had had nothing to do with the incident. He slipped away from his attackers, but they forced him to swim into a lake to escape. He drowned. The three men were sentenced to less than a year in jail.3


* Massachusetts. Four black men decided to murder the next white person they saw. That unlucky soul was a college student from Boston, whom the men stabbed to death.4


* Indiana. A black man was arrested for killing seven white people with a shotgun. He explained that he murdered his victims due to his “deep-rooted hatred” of white people.5


* Miami, Florida. The leader of a black supremacist sect (i.e., the “Yaweh ben Yaweh cult”) was convicted of the murders of several white people. He ordered his followers to kill any and all “white devils.” They killed at least seven white people, bringing back body parts to their leader.6


* North Carolina. Seven black men kidnapped a white woman, raped her, put her in a tub of bleach, shot her five times, and dumped her body. The murderers said they did this for racial reasons.7


* North Carolina. Four black teenagers lured a white, ten-year-old girl into an empty house. “There, they sodomized her, strangled her with a cable wire, and beat her to death with a board. In the past few weeks, the trials in the Tiffany Long case have received extensive coverage in the North Carolina press. But with two of the three defendants already sentenced to lifelong prison terms, and the third now standing trial, the national media have all but ignored the story. Only the Associated Press has reported on the trials, in a single, cursory piece. The AP, of course, failed to mention the race of the people involved — an oversight it seldom if ever committed in the case of Amadou Diallo.”8


* Boulder, Colorado. After discovering that one of their members had never had sex with a white woman, an Asian gang went looking for one. When they found a white University of Colorado student, the six men gang raped her in their minivan for two hours.

At their trial, “Detectives described the woman’s night of terror, including repeated threats to kill her.

“The woman leaped out of the minivan after one of the men raped her. Naked, she sprinted across Lefthand Canyon Road before Steve Yang tackled her, authorities said.

“‘They were all screaming at her, calling her names and hitting her,’ Detective Jane Harmer testified.

“Yang put her in a headlock and dragged her back into the van, where she was raped repeatedly, Harmer said.

“‘It was a free-for-all,’ Harmer testified.

“One man threatened to ‘cut and burn her,’ and another put a gun barrel to the back of her head when they released her, Harmer said.”9


* Kansas City, Missouri. An Ethiopian immigrant shot two white coworkers — killing one and critically injuring the other — at his workplace, then turned the gun on himself. At his residence, police found a three-page, signed note he had written in which he railed at “black blood sucker supreme white people” for oppressing him and black people in general.10


* New York City. In a Midtown office building, a white woman was assaulted, raped, and anally raped by a black man who called her racist names during the attack. Police refused to label it a hate crime.11


* Alexandria, Virginia. A black man walking through a neighborhood went over to a white eight-year-old boy playing in his great-grandparents’ front yard and slit the child’s throat, killing him. A witness says that the attacker shouted racial epithets during the attack, and the main suspect in the case owns anti-white hate literature and had written a note about killing white children. He had been previously arrested for attacking an unarmed white stranger with a hammer. (During the attack, he called his victim “Whitey.”)12

This particular case provides a perfect example of the terrible way that anti-white hate crimes are handled. First, the investigators decided not to tell police officers about the racial aspects of the case, even while the police were conducting a manhunt to find the boy’s killer. When this was revealed by the Washington Post, city council member Joyce Woodson defended this withholding of information from the cops on the front line. “What they did was proper. We already live in a racially charged world.” The Democratic mayor of Alexandria implied his agreement: “Efforts to sensationalize this investigation will only hurt this investigation.”13

To make things even stranger, the FBI offered to send agents and a fugitive task force to help with the manhunt, but the local police rejected the offer. They also refused the help of the FBI’s profilers, forensics experts, and others.14

Eventually, the police arrested a suspect who was reportedly tied to the scene by DNA evidence. In another bizarre move, the Justice Department — which had acknowledged that it was monitoring the case — declined to prosecute the killing as a hate crime. The government’s prosecutor in the case cannot charge the victim with a hate crime. “There’s no applicable hate crimes law in Virginia,” he explained.15

An editorial in the Washington Times pointedly commented on the deafening silence surrounding the brutal child-murder: “Has anyone seen Jesse Jackson around lately? Kweisi Mfume? Al Sharpton? For persons whose political antennae are ordinarily so sensitive that they can pick up racial tremors a thousand miles away, they seem to have overlooked a possible hate crime right here in the vicinity of the nation’s capital.”

Even though all of the above incidents occurred in the last ten years, anti-white hate crimes are not new. The Village Voice writes of “the wave of random street killings that terrorized San Francisco in 1973. The ‘Zebra killers’ struck without warning, murdering whites at night. Most victims were shot. One was raped, another beheaded. Four young black Muslims were arrested in 1974 and charged with 14 murders, seven assaults, one rape, and an attempted kidnapping. The Zebra killers were convicted in 1976.”16


The Exceptions That Prove the Rule


On extremely rare occasions a vicious black-on-white hate crime does make the national news. This was the case with the Central Park jogger and Colin Ferguson. Just why these two violent acts of hatred bubbled up into mass consciousness — while others that are at least as heinous have been ignored — is not clear. Nevertheless, it is instructive to examine them because, though they received wide attention, they were still treated differently than their white-on-black counterparts.

The Central Park jogger, you’ll recall, was a white woman who was gang raped and beaten almost to death by a gang of black and Hispanic teenagers in 1989. This incident introduced the term “wilding” to the nation. As Nicholas Stix described it: “The boys dragged her 200 yards to a secluded place, where they fractured her skull with a plastic-wrapped, four-foot lead pipe, and some large rocks. The boys ripped the Jogger’s clothes off of her, tying her hands behind her back with her sweatshirt, gagging her, and taking turns beating, stomping, and raping the unconscious woman, as 75 per cent of her blood oozed into the Central Park grass. They left her, with bruises, welts, and wounds literally from head to toe, for dead.”17

Despite the fact that physical evidence, eye witnesses, and video-taped confessions by the attackers in their parents’ presence all pointed to the young men’s guilt, protestors outside the courtroom referred to the trial as a “lynching.”
The assault was officially declared not to be a hate crime, and some influential black media and commentators — including Al Sharpton and two of New York’s African-American newspapers — declared that prosecuting the attackers was an act of racism. Some even questioned whether the attack really happened. Despite the fact that physical evidence, eyewitnesses, and videotaped confessions by the attackers in their parents’ presence all pointed to the young men’s guilt, protestors outside the courtroom referred to the trial as a “lynching.”18

Four years later, a black man named Colin Ferguson opened fire inside a commuter train in Long Island. Six people died and nineteen were injured. “Police recovered from Ferguson’s pocket a handwritten note titled, ‘Reasons for This.’ It expressed hatred towards whites, Asians, and ‘Uncle Tom blacks,’ and stated that Nassau County, Long Island was chosen as ‘the venue’ because of its predominantly white population.”19 How did politicians and commentators respond to this racially motivated bloodbath? President Clinton ignored the racial aspects, instead using the incident as an excuse to once again call for tighter gun control laws. Commentators either denied that it was a hate crime or admitted that it was but then tied themselves in knots to explain it away. The Dallas Morning News interviewed a sociologist who “conceded that Ferguson picked his victims on the basis of race, but did not think this justified the hate crime label.”20

A scholarly book on hate crimes (discussed more below) notes: “When the Reverend Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam leader, mentioned Colin Ferguson, the Long Island Railroad mass murderer, at a rally in New York City, the audience cheered. In a speech before an audience of 2,000 at Howard University, Nation of Islam spokesman Khalid Muhammed drew loud applause when he stated, ‘I love Colin Ferguson, who killed all those white folks on the train.’”21


The Overall Numbers


When presented with these horrifying violent acts committed against whites for racial reasons, some people respond with the argument that these occurrences must be flukes. They’re just isolated incidents, this line of reasoning goes; surely the overall statistics show that whites attack blacks much more often than blacks attack whites.

This is a “straw man” argument: Even if it were true, it would still not affect the fundamental point that anti-black hate crimes receive national coverage and trigger political denunciations, while anti-white crimes are ignored. Besides, isn’t the media all about reporting flukes? As they say in the news business, “Dog bites man” is not a story, but “Man bites dog” is. Or, to use another example, an airplane landing safely is not news — an airplane crashing is. So if these instances of anti-white violence were incredibly rare, that would be even more of a justification for covering them, not less. But these instances aren’t rare. The statistics show this.

The book Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics is a revelatory study of the phenomena. It was coauthored by James B. Jacobs, who is the director of the Center for Research in Crime and Justice at New York University and a professor of law at the NYU School of Law, and Kimberly Potter, an attorney who was formerly a research fellow at the Center for Research in Crime and Justice. Published by Oxford University Press as part of their Studies in Crime and Public Policy series, its credibility is as impeccable as possible.

The loudly promoted “hate crime epidemic” in America is an illusion.
Jacobs and Potter examine many of the myths and problems surrounding the idea of hate crimes, showing, among other things, that the loudly promoted “hate crime epidemic” in America is an illusion. Hate crimes have never been more than a tiny fraction of overall violent crime, and the numbers have actually been holding steady or decreasing in recent years.22

The authors also reveal the surprising statistics regarding interracial crime. It turns out that 80 percent of violent crimes involve an attacker and victim of the same race. “For the 20 percent of violent crimes that are interracial, 15 percent involve black offenders and white victims; 2 percent involve white offenders and black victims; and 3 percent involve other combinations.”23

These statistics include all instances of interracial violent crime, not just those labeled “hate crimes.” To see the rates of anti-white and anti-black violence that have been categorized as hate crimes, one only needs to take a cursory look at the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports specifically on hate crime to see that blacks commit them at a higher rate than whites.24

According to the US Census Bureau’s most recent projection (for Sept. 1, 2000), 82.2 percent of the US population is white, while 12.8 percent is black. If Hispanics are excluded from both counts, then the numbers are 71.4 percent white and 12.2 percent black.25

In the most recent year for which FBI data are available (1998), we see that there were 2,084 anti-black hate crimes committed by whites, and 567 anti-white hate crimes committed by blacks. Though the absolute number of anti-black crimes is 3.6 times as high as anti-white crimes, keep in mind that there are almost six times as many whites as blacks in the US. To get a true picture, we need to look at the proportional rates.

Eighty percent of violent crimes involve an attacker and victim of the same race.
If we divide each population by the number of crimes committed by individuals in that population, we see that there was one anti-black attack for every 94,436 white people, but one anti-white attack for every 59,172 black people. Thus, the rate of black-perpetrated hate crimes against whites is approximately 1.6 times higher than the rate of white-perpetrated hate crimes against blacks.

Looking at hate crimes involving death and rape tells an even starker story. In 1998 five white people were killed in hate crimes, while three black people were killed in the same period. During that year, four women of each race were raped as a result of racial hatred. If these incidents were occurring between the races at equal rates based on their populations, we’d expect to see six times as many blacks killed and raped by whites as the opposite. Yet we see an equal number of rapes and almost twice as many anti-white slayings.

How can we ever hope to bridge the racial divide if we won’t even look at the hard facts of racism?


The Final Analysis


Although these publicly available but long-ignored facts are incendiary, the purpose of this article is certainly not to stir up even more racial animosity. There’s already too much as it is. But how can we ever hope to bridge the racial divide if we won’t even look at the hard facts of racism? Is anything good accomplished when one type of hate crime receives nationwide attention, while another type of hate crime — which occurs at higher rates — is swept under the rug?

It’s obvious that the media, politicians, and civil rights groups have an agenda: They want to keep us ignorant of the realities of race relations. They present us with the completely untrue view that only white people commit hate crimes, or, if it must be admitted that blacks also commit hate crimes, they are seen as isolated incidents, bizarre anomalies that somehow don’t qualify as hate crimes.

The reality of the situation is that we’re all attacking each other. A look at the FBI’s hate crime statistics will pry the scales from your eyes. Besides the figures already mentioned, you’ll see that Native Americans and whites are attacking each other in equal numbers, blacks are attacking Asians, Asians are attacking Jews, multi-racial groups are attacking blacks, and on and on.

The issue of violent racial hatred is much more complex, universal, and disturbing than the simple-minded white-on-black paradigm that is universally touted.
People are even committing hate crimes against members of the same race. In 1998, for example, the FBI logged 123 hate crimes committed by whites against other whites, 64 by blacks against blacks, and a few by Asians against Asians and Native Americans against Native Americans. The reason for these apparently bizarre phenomena is that the “races” are not as monolithic as we commonly assume. They are divided into various ethnicities, nationalities, and other subdivisions, and these groups often hate each other.26 So it’s not unheard of to have hate crimes between people of British and Italian descent (both considered white), between African Americans and Haitian Americans (both black), between people of Japanese and Korean descent (both Asian), or between members of different Native American tribes.

Clearly, the issue of violent racial hatred is much more complex, universal, and disturbing than the simple-minded white-on-black paradigm that is universally touted. We need to accept this fact as individuals, then pressure the media, politicians, and other opinion-makers to accept it, too, and start telling the sticky truth about the situation.


Endnotes



1. Perazzo, John. (1999). The Myths That Divide Us: How Lies Have Poisoned American Race Relations. Briarcliff Manor, NY: World Studies Books, p. 58.


2. . Womble, Shannon. (1999). “2 jailed in killing motivated by race.” Florida Times-Union, Sept. 4.


3. Op cit., Perazzo, p. 61, referencing: unattributed (1992). “3 blacks sentenced in ‘90 racial attack.” Chicago Tribune, May 20.


4. Ibid., p. 59, referencing: Barnacle, Mike. (1991). “A double standard for race crimes?” Asbury Park Press, March 7.


5. Ibid., referencing: Knight-Ridder News. (1991). “AWOL Marine in Indiana admits seven racial killings, sources say.” Miami Herald, Feb. 2.


6. Ibid., referencing: unsigned. (1991). “The killing class.” Miami Herald, Feb. 24; Gehrke, Donna. (1992). “ ‘I felt power’ while slaying 6 people, former Yaweh ‘death angel’ testifies.” Miami Herald, Jan. 30.


7. Op cit., Perazzo, p. 173, referencing: Edwards, Wayne. (1994). “Three strikes?” Destiny, Feb.


8. Unsigned. (2000). “Tiffany Long: Too white to be a victim.” FrontPage Magazine, Feb. 29. www.frontpagemag.com.


9. McCullen, Kevin. (1999). “Rape suspects were seeking white woman.” Denver Rocky Mountain News, Sept. 30.


10. Associated Press. (1999). “Kansas City airport shooting victims identified.” Jefferson City News Tribune, Nov. 22.


11. Weiss, Murray, et al. (1999). “Cops fume over lousy video of 6th Ave. rapist.” New York Post, Dec. 22.


12. Davis, Patricia. (2000). “Manhunt in Alexandria for killer of 8-year-old.” Washington Post, April 20; Drake, John & Ellen Sorokin (2000a). “Stabbing probers kept race a secret.” Washington Post, July 12; unsigned. (2000). “The hate crime that wasn’t.” Washington Times, July 12.


13. Op cit., Drake & Sorokin (2000a); Sorokin, Ellen & John Drake. (2000b). “Boy’s stabbing draws attention about race.” Washington Times, July 13.


14. Op cit., Drake & Sorokin (2000a).


15. Rubush, Scott. (2000). “Black hate on trial.” FrontPage Magazine, Oct. 26.


16. Noel, Peter. (1999). “Bring me the head.” Village Voice, Feb. 3-9.


17. Stix, Nicholas. (2000). “Remembering the Central Park jogger.” FrontPage Magazine, July 12.


18. Jacobs, James B. & Kimberly Potter. (1998). Hate Crimes: Criminal Law and Identity Politics. New York: Oxford University Press, pp. 140-2.


19. Ibid., p. 139.


20. Ibid.


21. Ibid.


22. Ibid., pp. 45-64, especially pp. 63-4.


23. Ibid., pp. 16-17.


24. The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports are online at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr.htm


25. US Census Bureau. “Resident Population Estimates of the United States by Sex, Race, and Hispanic Origin: April 1, 1990 to July 1, 1999, with Short-Term Projection to September 1, 2000.” http://www.census.gov/population/estimates/nation/intfile3-1.txt


26. Op cit., Jacobs & Potter, pp. 18-9, Perlmutter, Philip. (1999). Legacy of Hate: A Short History of Ethnic, Religious, and Racial Prejudice in America. Armonk, NY: M.E. Sharpe.
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tweet
2010-04-22, 22:29
Interesting essay..lol

White people are famously known for their hate crimes yesteryears, so the stigma lives on, regardless of reality.

The media is controlled by Jews didnt you know? Go bang on their heads.

CAONABO
2010-04-22, 23:41
I'll post more on this subject as time goes on. Don't have the time right now. Feel free to discuss the irrationality of Hate Crime Laws, as well. Aren't all violent crimes motivated by hate? Are Hate crimes accurately reported? Isn't it odd that groups that its meant to protect are one of the worst offenders (Blacks in the U.S. and Muslims in Europe)?

It is odd indeed. If I do recall correctly, you live in the same area in the US as I. Right here within this area there have been crimes that would fall under the hate crime label, but they don't seem to get the same exposure as those in which certain minority groups are the victims.

jonboyclem
2010-04-23, 00:03
We Black Americans are as racist as any other American, over 200 years of systematic oppresion towards Aframs from Slavery to Jim Crow caused us to resent White America. I don't condone it, but Anglo Saxon America created this monster themselves.

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 00:22
It is true that violent racism has switched sides and is now perpetuated much more by Blacks than Whites in the US. Anthony Walsh (http://cja.boisestate.edu/walsh.htm) explores this phenomenon in various articles like: African Americans and Serial Killing in the Media: The Myth and the Reality (http://onedroprule.org/forum/127/africanamericanserialkillers.pdf)

And his book: Race and Crime (http://books.google.com/books?id=vgHgNsmZ3vsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q&f=false)

I showed one blatant example already: In Memory of Marine SGT Jan Pawel Pietrzak and his wife Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCJ_rIdhyg)

The same could be said of South Africa and Zimbabwe. But what Cuddly Wuddly is not addressing is the historical trend of abuse that occurred in the reverse and how recently these populations have emancipated themselves from this abuse. While this does not excuse said violent racism. After all it does not target prior perpetrators but just innocent victims that happen to look like them, there is a socio-historical explanation for this rage. And it is not the vast majority of African Americans. It is still a valid trend to be explored. What Cuddly Wuddly fails to recognize, though, in his obsessive racism, is that this is not a racial paradigm, but socio-cultural. We do not see Blacks in Perú going around killing White people for no reason at all. Burglaries occur in every country. Even violent crime. But until Cuddly can prove that globally, Blacks produce more violent crimes, based on hate (and no, violent crime is not always based on hate), specifically hate of another so called race, or ethnic group, than any other group per capita, in all countries, he is just showing his own prejudice, not making a serious scholarly claim.

Grio
2010-04-23, 00:29
It is true that violent racism has switched sides and is now perpetuated much more by Blacks than Whites in the US. Anthony Walsh (http://cja.boisestate.edu/walsh.htm) explores this phenomenon in various articles like: African Americans and Serial Killing in the Media: The Myth and the Reality (http://onedroprule.org/forum/127/africanamericanserialkillers.pdf)

And his book: Race and Crime (http://books.google.com/books?id=vgHgNsmZ3vsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_navlinks_s#v=onepage&q&f=false)

I showed one blatant example already: In Memory of Marine SGT Jan Pawel Pietrzak and his wife Quiana Jenkins-Pietrzak (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCJ_rIdhyg)

Why are you continuing to hold on to that case, if she would have stayed with her race, and he the same, they would still be alive. Stop mixing the race, this goes against god!

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 01:17
Why are you continuing to hold on to that case, if she would have stayed with her race, and he the same, they would still be alive. Stop mixing the race, this goes against god!

Shut the fuck up, you reject of your own ethnicity. People like you are just the dung heap of the African American population. You are the ones that accomplished African Americans look at as if you were shit on their shoe because you make them look bad.
Fucking chicken head.

Grio
2010-04-23, 02:18
Shut the fuck up, you reject of your own ethnicity. People like you are just the dung heap of the African American population. You are the ones that accomplished African Americans look at as if you were shit on their shoe because you make them look bad.
Fucking chicken head.

Stay mad fag, that I'm continuing to call your pale delusional ass out! You know nothing of African Americans, worry about your own people, get the fuck out of black culture you leech. You blue eye devil. The majority of African Americans don't even agree with mixing the races, so sit and spin. Most black women find non-black men to be weak, and only dates them as a last resort to black men; however, their dream is to be with a black man. Stay mad fag!

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 02:23
Stay mad fag, that I'm continuing to call your pale delusional ass out! You know nothing of African Americans, worry about your own people, get the fuck out of black culture you leech. You blue eye devil. The majority of African Americans don't even agree with mixing the races, so sit and spin. Most black women find non-black men to be weak, and only dates them as a last resort to black men; however, their dream is to be with a black man. Stay mad fag!

LOL. You can say fag all you want. We know Atlanta is the down low capital of the world for African Americans. And I'm going to keep on hooking up with African American girls and you are going to still be a troll who whines about the fact. And you will always be the scum that African American women of class don't touch.

Grio
2010-04-23, 02:38
LOL. You can say fag all you want. We know Atlanta is the down low capital of the world for African Americans. And I'm going to keep on hooking up with African American girls and you are going to still be a troll who whines about the fact. And you will always be the scum that African American women of class don't touch.

African American females, who continue to use you as a last resort to black men; in the back of their head, they are constantly dreaming of black men. And the black women who are in the photos you posted you can keep them, they are not even the standard of what African Americans consider attractive. I'm constantly running up in females from Spelman, African American women with class don't touch white men. Like a friend from Spelman once said, when she sees a black women with a non-black man, she wonders what type of vibrator shes using. :lol:

LOL @ You moving to Atlanta for black women, a mess!

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 02:56
African American females, who continue to use you as a last resort to black men; in the back of their head, they are constantly dreaming of black men. And the black women who are in the photos you posted you can keep them, they are not even the standard of what African Americans consider attractive. I'm constantly running up in females from Spelman, African American women with class don't touch white men. Like a friend from Spelman once said, when she sees a black women with a non-black man, she wonders what type of vibrator shes using. :lol:

LOL @ You moving to Atlanta for black women, a mess!

LOL. I live near Spelman, I have no problem talking with girls there. You are delusional. Of course African Americans have serious issues as most like the mixed look over the African look. SO called "mahogany".

Grio
2010-04-23, 03:03
LOL. I live near Spelman, I have no problem talking with girls there. You are delusional. Of course African Americans have serious issues as most like the mixed look over the African look. SO called "mahogany".

These classy women would never think about dating outside their race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c69JtvIXunU

Spelhouse baby! :lol::lol::lol:

Ps: Cane do you see me in the video homie. :D

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 03:11
These classy women would never think about dating outside their race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c69JtvIXunU

Spelhouse baby! :lol::lol::lol:

Ps: Cane do you see me in the video homie. :D
LOL. I have dated AKA, ZBT, DST and SGR. Whatever. Of course now I date professional women, not college cuties.

You are probably the loser in yellow and red staring.

Grio
2010-04-23, 03:13
LOL. I have dated AKA, ZBT, DST and SGR. Whatever. Of course now I date professional women, not college cuties.

You are probably the loser in yellow and red staring.

Stop the lying! They don't date white men, most would get kicked out their sorority for doing so. :lol:

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 03:18
Stop the lying! They don't date white men, most would get kicked out their sorority for doing so. :lol:

LOL. Keep deluding yourself with that. And APA don't accept non Blacks either. LOL Yeah right. Ask what an AMOT is. LMAO!!!

But I chose a Latino Fraternity APL instead. Founded by Latinos and Blacks.

Grio
2010-04-23, 03:29
LOL. Keep deluding yourself with that. And APA don't accept non Blacks either. LOL Yeah right. Ask what an AMOT is. LMAO!!!

But I chose a Latino Fraternity APL instead. Founded by Latinos and Blacks.

You know nothing about the doctrine of HBCUS, and the sorority and Fraternities that exist within them do you? If not lets just say, we are taught African thought, through a African thought process. Supremacy nonetheless. We leave eurocentrism for PWIs. :evilgrin:

Dating outside your race, can cause much conflict. We are initiated into our schools, be it Morehouse, Spelman, Howard, Hampton. To go against the grain. :o Trouble.

Dating outside your race. :o Trouble

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 03:34
You know nothing about the doctrine of HBCUS, and the sorority and Fraternities that exist within them do you? If not lets just say, we are taught African thought, through a African thought process. Supremacy nonetheless. We leave eurocentrism for PWIs. :evilgrin:

Dating outside your race, can cause much conflict. We are initiated into our schools, be it Morehouse, Spelman, Howard, Hampton. To go against the grain. :o Trouble.

Dating outside your race. :o Trouble
Blah, Blah, Blah. I am well aware of the indoctrination that goes in HBCUS. I am also aware that humans are humans and they break molds when they leave the fold. Sure, African American women are a lot more skittish about dating outside their group as many are vilified by the community. A double standard. But the higher they climb, many do. It just has to do with who you rub shoulder with. The fact aslo remains that the US is segregated, so many do not date because they have little social exposure. Work is about it. But for those Whites and Latinos who do venture into African American cultural and social events, and vice versa, dating does occur, a lot.

When I first came here, I didn't relate to well with the White American culture. ANd there really wasn't a Latino community at my first university. SO I gravitated to the African American community and participated heavily in it. And dated many girls. Such is life. Deal with it.

pinguin
2010-04-23, 03:41
Interesting. When I lived in Canada there were so few Latinos at the university that my best friends were Chinese.... I also learned to play Chinese chess!!

Grio
2010-04-23, 03:48
Blah, Blah, Blah. I am well aware of the indoctrination that goes in HBCUS. I am also aware that humans are humans and they break molds when they leave the fold. Sure, African American women are a lot more skittish about dating outside their group as many are vilified by the community. A double standard. But the higher they climb, many do. It just has to do with who you rub shoulder with. The fact aslo remains that the US is segregated, so many do not date because they have little social exposure. Work is about it. But for those Whites and Latinos who do venture into African American cultural and social events, and vice versa, dating does occur, a lot.

When I first came here, I didn't relate to well with the White American culture. ANd there really wasn't a Latino community at my first university. SO I gravitated to the African American community and participated heavily in it. And dated many girls. Such is life. Deal with it.

I don't have to deal with it, Atlanta is the center of Southern Black culture, I'm a Morehouse man, just stating that in Atlanta have put me in the position of being apart of Atlanta's black elite. Atlanta is segregated, its not going to change, and I like it this way, and so does everybody else, the only people who have a problem is those who want to date outside the race. Black women perfer not to date outside the race, for most consider non-white men to be non-attractive. And even once they enter interracial relationships with non-blacks, they continue to state as using them as a last resort to not finding a good partner. Black women dream of being with a black man. They are the most loyal to the race, its not changing any time soon.

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 03:50
Interesting. When I lived in Canada there were so few Latinos at the university that my best friends were Chinese.... I also learned to play Chinese chess!!

Yeah, my other group I hung out with was Indians and Pakistani. They were the largest international group. There was like three Latinas and one Brazilian dude. I mean I also had fun with the White fraternities and what not, but overall they weren't as dance oriented. White American girls were easy to get in bed though boi. Hahaha

Of course I ended up dating a Vietnamese French girl seriously my last year there, so go figure.

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I don't have to deal with it, Atlanta is the center of Southern Black culture, I'm a Morehouse man, just stating that in Atlanta have put me in the position of being apart of Atlanta's black elite. Atlanta is segregated, its not going to change, and I like it this way, and so does everybody else, the only people who have a problem is those who want to date outside the race. Black women perfer not to date outside the race, for most consider non-white men to be non-attractive. And even once they enter interracial relationships with non-blacks, they continue to state as using them as a last resort to not finding a good partner. Black women dream of being with a black man. They are the most loyal to the race, its not changing any time soon.

LOL. I could care less if you love it segregated. There will always be women who want to explore, and that number is growing as Black women realize staying faithful to segregation means staying single as there just aren't enough men, forget good men. LOL

Grio
2010-04-23, 04:02
Yeah, my other group I hung out with was Indians and Pakistani. They were the largest international group. There was like three Latinas and one Brazilian dude. I mean I also had fun with the White fraternities and what not, but overall they weren't as dance oriented. White American girls were easy to get in bed though boi. Hahaha

Of course I ended up dating a Vietnamese French girl seriously my last year there, so go figure.

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LOL. I could care less if you love it segregated. There will always be women who want to explore, and that number is growing as Black women realize staying faithful to segregation means staying single as there just aren't enough men, forget good men. LOL

Keeping listening to your white media, and the lies they feed you. :lol:

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 04:03
Keeping listening to your white media, and the lies they feed you. :lol:

LOL. Take a statistics class.

windie
2010-04-23, 08:00
Why is intergrating wrong? I don't think it makes African Americans in the American south better ,if they are less intergrated. I think Bermuda has got one of the highest interracial marriage rates of black women white men or period. Along with black men white women but race relations are not strained. Maybe some african American women will follow use Caribbean women as examples,those in some major immigrant states where intergration is taking place already? All I know is intergration is hardly negative,especially if one comes from a historically stigmatized group. That's why Dr Martin luter king jr push so hard for it. What is loyalty to race in these times?

jonboyclem
2010-04-23, 08:17
Why is intergrating wrong? I don't think it makes African Americans in the American south better ,if they are less intergrated. I think Bermuda has got one of the highest interracial marriage rates of black women white men or period. Along with black men white women but race relations are not strained. Maybe some african American women will follow use Caribbean women as examples,those in some major immigrant states where intergration is taking place already? All I know is intergration is hardly negative,especially if one comes from a historically stigmatized group. That's why Dr Martin luter king jr push so hard for it. What is loyalty to race in these times?

Why do you think Bermudans are more open to interracial relationships than Americans are? Bermuda doesn't have all these race hang-ups like the US and they were both founded by Englishmen.

windie
2010-04-23, 08:35
Why do you think Bermudans are more open to interracial relationships than Americans are? Bermuda doesn't have all these race hang-ups like the US and they were both founded by Englishmen.

There are just less hang ups. Blacks or black women who are in majority of the interracial relationships, just don't feel so connected to their race that they won't marry a white person. And other islands are like that as well. Barbados for example where the white population is small. You would think it would create extreme segregation. Even in place like Trinidad where Indians and blacks are suppose to be against each other there is still some douglarizing. There are even chinese men with black wives. Maybe Jim crow has something to do with it. After slavery. Intergation should be positive. Especially as times are changing. I think it's bad that new immigrant groups like hispanics, can come in and intergrate with white Americans much more than African Americans. That's from all the negative stereotypes.

Grio
2010-04-23, 08:53
Why is intergrating wrong? I don't think it makes African Americans in the American south better ,if they are less intergrated. I think Bermuda has got one of the highest interracial marriage rates of black women white men or period. Along with black men white women but race relations are not strained. Maybe some african American women will follow use Caribbean women as examples,those in some major immigrant states where intergration is taking place already? All I know is intergration is hardly negative,especially if one comes from a historically stigmatized group. That's why Dr Martin luter king jr push so hard for it. What is loyalty to race in these times?

Interracial dating is an element of finding an insecurity within yourself, only consciously to believe its better on the other side. I have yet to meet one person who have been in an interracial relationship, who have not shown elements, of such being apart of a fetish, insecurities, or indifference. There is no flexibility in African American culture, black women are the most loyal to the race. Most have stated, they just do not find white men attractive. 98% of African American women dream of having a black husband, and black children. Those who you find in interracial-relationships, do so as the possibility of not finding a black partner is slim for their standards; they will state themselves that dating outside the race is a last resort. Most Caribbean women come from poor backgrounds, they dream of a white god, and so you have these European men who have a fetish for black skin, and kinky hair visit these islands; perfect match.

Martin Luther King, my Morehouse brother. ;)

You obviously no little about Martin, hie thesis on integration was not one which stated black people, go find you a white mate. It was designed for black people to take apart in elements in this country in which they helped to create.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suw_CQ3zfTY

Yall negros can date outside the race all yall want, just don't come to the south with that nasty shit. African Americans can not, and do not relate to people who date outside the race. I as a black male have nothing in common with black men who date white women, black women have nothing in common with black women who date white men. When we see them, we no long think of them as being part of our micro family.

How can you forgive the murderer of your father? How can you lay with a women who for generations have cause young black men to be hung for trees? Black stay with black; stop mixing with others; keep Hispanics out our community, they are as racist an delusional as whites.

jonboyclem
2010-04-23, 09:03
^This fool above does not represent the average Afram viewpoint btw.

Grio
2010-04-23, 09:06
^This fool above does not represent the average Afram viewpoint btw.

I'm from the South, where most African Americans are concentrated, you are in Cali where the blacks if given the choice would rather switch. Take some African and Black history courses then come back, and challenge my position. I'm speaking the truth, and you can't take.

LOL @ You calling yourself a "Smoked Irish," I knew you were white inside, your behavior and position says so, self hating zombie.

Alto Impacto
2010-04-23, 09:57
^This fool above does not represent the average Afram viewpoint btw.

He's the average uncle ruckuz viewpoint :lol:

Zupan
2010-04-23, 10:09
hehehh

He has a point, stop the mixing.

Alto Impacto
2010-04-23, 10:14
hehehh

He has a point, stop the mixing.

Why? African Americans have long suffered because of slavery, and later Jim Crow laws. Day to day they have to live and dodge the deep hatred White Americans have for them. Even if things are better for them this day with welfare and PC, the White American society continues to animalize them to monkeys. With mixing, over the time their children will finally live the life their ancestors couldn't, a life without discrimination. Don't be that cruel, don't deny African Americans the oportunity to become White men, and that can only be achieved by mixing.

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 10:45
Why do you think Bermudans are more open to interracial relationships than Americans are? Bermuda doesn't have all these race hang-ups like the US and they were both founded by Englishmen.

No Jim Crow. Jim Crow was even worse than slavery in some ways because it was after emancipation. Blacks in the US were told they were getting freedom, had a huge surge in representation in congress, a huge surge in education, investments, business. In short, they were on their way to being all right. Then the Tilden-Hayes election comes with the betrayal and pulling of troops from the south. You see Gerrymandering, Black Holocaust, KKK, Jim Crow. It was a huge betrayal of hope.

Blacks in the US have a lot more opportunities than in other countries, but they have also learned a to historically distrust any opportunities that may come. So people from the Caribbean, Africa and Latin America are coming and taking those opportunities instead of them. It is psychologically crippling and sad.

Zupan
2010-04-23, 10:47
Why? African Americans have long suffered because of slavery, and later Jim Crow laws. Day to day they have to live and dodge the deep hatred White Americans have for them. Even if things are better for them this day with welfare and PC, the White American society continues to animalize them to monkeys. With mixing, over the time their children will finally live the life their ancestors couldn't, a life without discrimination. Don't be that cruel, don't deny African Americans the oportunity to become White men, and that can only be achieved by mixing.

They got their own land, LIBERIA. Go home now, you ain't contributing anymore..

Alto Impacto
2010-04-23, 10:49
They got their own land, LIBERIA. Go home now, you ain't contributing anymore..

Liberia has many Bush Tribals. African Americans don't get along with wild tribals, even if you might think so.

tweet
2010-04-23, 11:05
Why are you continuing to hold on to that case, if she would have stayed with her race, and he the same, they would still be alive. Stop mixing the race, this goes against god!


This black girl is engaged to non black, so come smack me fool.

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hehehh

He has a point, stop the mixing.

Come stop me, in fact come to my interacial wedding :evilgrin:

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Why? African Americans have long suffered because of slavery, and later Jim Crow laws. Day to day they have to live and dodge the deep hatred White Americans have for them. Even if things are better for them this day with welfare and PC, the White American society continues to animalize them to monkeys. With mixing, over the time their children will finally live the life their ancestors couldn't, a life without discrimination. Don't be that cruel, don't deny African Americans the oportunity to become White men, and that can only be achieved by mixing.

Since when were mixed people white? black + white = mixed, even my pet hamster knows that

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African americans have no coice but to integrate, fight it all like, by the year 3000 the world will be mostly brown

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 11:13
Interracial dating is an element of finding an insecurity within yourself, only consciously to believe its better on the other side.
What is pathetic is to think that all people date for the same reason. You are stereotyping your own people. Sure some people date because of stereotypes, fetishes and insecurities. On both sides. But many do not. Many just find common ground in life and grow from there.


I have yet to meet one person who have been in an interracial relationship, who have not shown elements, of such being apart of a fetish, insecurities, or indifference.

Considering your mentality, I highly doubt you would be exposed to any quality people to be able to see positive relationships. You are your own worst enemy.


There is no flexibility in African American culture, black women are the most loyal to the race. Most have stated, they just do not find white men attractive. 98% of African American women dream of having a black husband, and black children. Those who you find in interracial-relationships, do so as the possibility of not finding a black partner is slim for their standards; they will state themselves that dating outside the race is a last resort.

Socio-Cultural indoctrination. Nothing more. But many Black women are breaking out of it. Black women want good men, period. Just like any woman. Most women first dream with what they are familiar with. So it is natural they would think of Black men. But most women will consider all men. If they meet a man outside their group who has superior qualities that the average, they will consider dating outside their comfort zone of culture. Others like exploring other cultures and end up dating men of other groups. It is not about ignoring the men of their own group, but keeping their minds open. Black women are educating themselves more, traveling more, exploring more. That means they are getting exposed to men of many cultures. Black women are dating foreign men a lot more. White men, and in particular White American men are a lot more taboo, because of the history. But many are breaking the mold as they explore more and interact with good people.


Most Caribbean women come from poor backgrounds, they dream of a white god, and so you have these European men who have a fetish for black skin, and kinky hair visit these islands; perfect match.

LOL. Lots of the Caribbean and African people who come here are much better off than the Average African American, go to higher education more, etc.


Martin Luther King, my Morehouse brother. ;)

You obviously no little about Martin, hie thesis on integration was not one which stated black people, go find you a white mate. It was designed for black people to take apart in elements in this country in which they helped to create.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Suw_CQ3zfTY
He didn't want people to find WHite mates. But he didn't want them to run away from the possibility either. He wanted Blacks and Whites to be equal. And equal people date equally.

Of course, if you knew anything you would know that MLK fell in love with a German girl and almost married her when he was studying in Crozer. It was only because he wanted to preach in the south, at that point in history that he chose not to. He broke his heart, and sacrificed his love to help his community. But if he had been living in these times, he would have been married to a White woman.


Aside the larger religious intellectual influence of Barbour on King is a significant personal encounter that, in no small way, helped chart the course for King's history-making life. In his Pulitzer Prizewinning book, "Bearing the Cross," David Garrow writes of an early King dilemma and a pastor's advice:

King dated regularly during his Crozer years, but one of his companions, a white girl of German origin whose mother worked for Crozer raised concern in the eyes of Barbour and other friends ... Barbour heard about the couple's serious romantic involvement, and told King in no uncertain terms of the difficulties an interracial relationship would face ... If King wanted to return South to pastor, as he often said, an interracial marriage would create severe problems in the black community as well as the white ... Barbour insisted to King that marrying the young woman would be a tremendous mistake, and urged them to reconsider.

Ironically, King heeded advice that promulgated the racial restrictions he is now famous for condemning. One cannot help but wonder how King's life might have proceeded had this pastoral counseling session not taken place.

In MLK's own words:
http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/primarydocuments/Vol4/Sept-1957_AdviceForLiving.pdf

“Advice for Living” September 1957 Chicago, Ill.

In September King began writing an advice column in Ebony, a black-oriented monthly magazine. The column ran until December 1958, and the questions King answered ranged from queries regarding race relations to those on personal morality.’

Question: I’m in love with a white man whom I’ve known for two years. We met at the company where we work. I want to marry him, although both of our parents object. I know that he loves me, too. Should we go ahead and get married anyway?

MLK: The decision as to whether you should marry a white man whom you have known for two years is a decision that you and your friend must make together. Properly speaking, races do not marry, individuals marry. There is nothing morally wrong with an interracial marriage. There are many other things, however, that must be taken under consideration in any interracial marriage. The traditions of our society have been so set and crystallized that many social obstacles stand in the way of persons involved in an interracial marriage. If persons entering such a marriage are thoroughly aware of these obstacles and feel that they have the power and stability to stand up amid them, then there is no reason why these persons should not be married. Studies reveal that interracial couples who have come together with a thorough understanding of conditions that exist, have married and lived together very happily.

PD. Ebony, September 1957, p. 74.
Don't confuse your hate for King's.


Yall negros can date outside the race all yall want, just don't come to the south with that nasty shit. African Americans can not, and do not relate to people who date outside the race. I as a black male have nothing in common with black men who date white women, black women have nothing in common with black women who date white men. When we see them, we no long think of them as being part of our micro family.


LOL, they don't want to be a part of your chicken head family either.


How can you forgive the murderer of your father? How can you lay with a women who for generations have cause young black men to be hung for trees? Black stay with black; stop mixing with others; keep Hispanics out our community, they are as racist an delusional as whites.
You seem to forget that many Whites were enslaved as well, and many Afrodescendants were slave masters. There is good and bad in all people. And the child never carries the sins of the father.

tweet
2010-04-23, 11:15
If anything white people are the ones who engage in interacial dating more than any other race,

White men and Asian women = highest
Black men and white women = second highest

I guess the whites hate being white.

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They got their own land, LIBERIA. Go home now, you ain't contributing anymore..

Home? Before you tell others to go home, just make sure your home youself

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 11:38
They got their own land, LIBERIA. Go home now, you ain't contributing anymore..

Sorry bub. Liberia aint no better than the US. And a lot of you are Obruni, White over there. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0VDLPkq0vE

Many move to Africa because they are rich there. And many Africans realize the Americans come with airs of superiority.

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Since when were mixed people white? black + white = mixed, even my pet hamster knows that
Not necessarily.

Depends on the culture. Like one droppism in the US. At one point in time Having one White parent made you White in OH, for example.

I talk about it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmQBZBXHSqI

jonboyclem
2010-04-23, 11:58
They got their own land, LIBERIA. Go home now, you ain't contributing anymore..

I don't think tiny Liberia could fit 38,000,000 people. It'd be cool if we settled Liberia though, it would be the richest most industrialized nation in Sub Saharan Africa. Our Anglo Saxon values will square those tribal Liberians away and they will be completly westernized if we took over;)

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 12:34
I don't think tiny Liberia could fit 38,000,000 people. It'd be cool if we settled Liberia though, it would be the richest most industrialized nation in Sub Saharan Africa. Our Anglo Saxon values will square those tribal Liberians away and they will be completly westernized if we took over;)

LOL. One of the reasons local Liberians can't stand Americo-Liberians. They see them as White boys with Black face.

KRANG
2010-04-23, 13:42
Black people have always been the biggest failures on the earth, and they blame al their failures on white caucasoids.
Its funny becaouse white people are the only one that actually cares about blacks, throught political correctness.
Jews, arabs, east asians, indians etc couldnt care less about blacks.

No wounder niggers are the most hated race.

Ozrage
2010-04-23, 13:44
Feel free to discuss the irrationality of Hate Crime Laws, as well. Aren't all violent crimes motivated by hate? Are Hate crimes accurately reported? Isn't it odd that groups that its meant to protect are one of the worst offenders (Blacks in the U.S. and Muslims in Europe)?

Yeah it's really silly. A violent crime is a violent crime. Shouldn't matter if the perpetrator is of another race than the victim. In Sweden you even have to watch your tounge real good. You don't have to commit an actual crime here to be accused of hate speech, hate crimes, racism etc. People of course take advantage of these PC laws. It's comepletly messed up. Thank the G-man for the internetz so we can vent a little with out beeing punished or beaten up.

South Park made a cool episode focusing on hate crimes. Cartman threw a rock in Token's face.

Here's the plot.

The third grade girls, led by Lizzy, challenge the boys to a sled race down Phil Collins Hill. After the boys accept the challenge, Cartman gets into an argument with Token, because he keeps reminding him about his "fat ass". Cartman threatens to throw a rock at Token's face if he ever calls him fat again. Kyle then calls Cartman a fatass instead, but Cartman thinks it was Token again, and he ends up throwing the rock at Token, giving him a black eye in the process, much to Kyle's shock. Because Token is African-American, the FBI overreacts at the situation. While Cartman is clearly shown to be a racist, his actions in this case were not racially motivated as he threw the rock at Token because he assumed that Token called him fat, not because that Token is black. Needless to say, Cartman is charged with and convicted of a hate crime, and sentenced to juvenile prison until he reaches the age of 21. Cartman escapes the courtroom and enlists Kenny and his Go Go Action Bronco toy car to try and flee to Mexico, but eventually fails.

The boys realize that without Cartman's weight on the back of their sled, they are doomed to lose. Clyde takes over for Cartman, since he is the second fattest in the grade (despite the fact that Clyde has normal weight like everyone else), and everyone immediately starts calling him 'fatass'. Clyde tries to get them to stop, and yells "God dammit," seeing that he is like Cartman. In addition, Token is willing to forgive Cartman, but Token's father, who is himself against hate crime laws, tells the boys they will have to convince the Governor of Colorado to free Cartman. The boys then put on a presentation before the governor, complete with visual aids, in which they detail their opposition to hate crime laws, declaring it a "savage hypocrisy," and arguing that all forms of crime warrant some sort of hate, and that the laws serve only to encourage discrimination further. The governor is impressed.

Meanwhile, Cartman adapts to life in prison by smuggling in things for his cellmate, Romper Stomper, who, along with Cartman, escapes the prison. They are caught by the authorities, who take Romper Stomper back to the prison, but who tell Cartman that he has been pardoned by the governor. Cartman returns home, arriving at the sled race just as they are about to begin, and helps the boys beat the girls.

Cartman goes back to jail, just to only pay a visit to Romper, who has always wanted to see Disneyland, and grants his wish by defecating it (off-camera), having smuggled it in his butt, much to Romper's delight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartman%27s_Silly_Hate_Crime_2000#Plot


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When we see them, we no long think of them as being part of our micro family.
You mean your already very mixed micro family? I bet you have, even if you seem to despise caucasians due to their history got some Eurogenes in you. Have you tested your DNA?



How can you forgive the murderer of your father? How can you lay with a women who for generations have cause young black men to be hung for trees? Black stay with black; stop mixing with others; keep Hispanics out our community, they are as racist an delusional as whites.
Quite ironic comming from you.

Seem to me like you still live with some kind of slave mentality and holds a grudge against people who look like historic slave owners (aka white people). While the rest of us has moved on.


I don't think tiny Liberia could fit 38,000,000 people. It'd be cool if we settled Liberia though, it would be the richest most industrialized nation in Sub Saharan Africa. Our Anglo Saxon values will square those tribal Liberians away and they will be completly westernized if we took
over;)
:thumbsup: ^Über irony^ :thumbsup:

tweet
2010-04-23, 13:53
Black people have always been the biggest failures on the earth, and they blame al their failures on white caucasoids.
Its funny becaouse white people are the only one that actually cares about blacks, throught political correctness.
Jews, arabs, east asians, indians etc couldnt care less about blacks.

No wounder niggers are the most hated race.


And I sometimes wonder why whites care so much about blacks, no offence but in South Africa, the blacks are singing 'Bring me my machine gun' to shoot off whites but the whites are still coming ?? Their must be something whites will benefit from.

KRANG
2010-04-23, 14:49
And I sometimes wonder why whites care so much about blacks, no offence but in South Africa, the blacks are singing 'Bring me my machine gun' to shoot off whites but the whites are still coming ?? Their must be something whites will benefit from.

I thought whites where escaping south africa.;) Becouse blacks are killing them non stop.

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 15:12
Black people have always been the biggest failures on the earth, and they blame al their failures on white caucasoids.
Its funny becaouse white people are the only one that actually cares about blacks, throught political correctness.
Jews, arabs, east asians, indians etc couldnt care less about blacks.

No wounder niggers are the most hated race.
This coming from a moron who can't even spell. I would hardly claim Axum or Mali were failures. But enough with the racial coattailing. What have you accomplished in your life?

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Yeah it's really silly. A violent crime is a violent crime. Shouldn't matter if the perpetrator is of another race than the victim. In Sweden you even have to watch your tounge real good. You don't have to commit an actual crime here to be accused of hate speech, hate crimes, racism etc. People of course take advantage of these PC laws. It's comepletly messed up. Thank the G-man for the internetz so we can vent a little with out beeing punished or beaten up.
Not really. But I would agree that a hate crime doesn't have to be based on ethnocentrism or racism. The reason for hate crimes (Really ethnoracial or gender crimes) is to make sure there is not an escalation of crimes just out of hatred versus your common crimes, like robbery and what not. Those will always occur, but the moment a hatred for a group starts being the cause, it can quickly escalate to gratuitous violence. Will it stop it more? Not sure. But like all penalties, they don't stop crime, but they might have some deterrence, and do make an example of perps.

Yes racists can voice their garbage on the internet. It doesn't hurt anyone there. At least immediately.

Ozrage
2010-04-23, 15:26
...

Why I think it's silly is because it's over used. "Hate crime this and hate speech that." Sure there are racially motivated crimes, but too often when the shit happens they just happen to be from different ethnicities or race. Not that they hate each others race or sexual orientation Yet reffered to as a hate crime. See?

tweet
2010-04-23, 15:29
I thought whites where escaping south africa.;) Becouse blacks are killing them non stop.

Escaping?? I wouldnt go so far. If anything their are more white Europeans relocating to SA. Those that are leaving just dont want to be governed byy blacks.

Salsassin
2010-04-23, 15:32
Why I think it's silly is because it's over used. "Hate crime this and hate speech that." Sure there are racially motivated crimes, but too often when shit the happens they just happen to be from different ethnicities or race. Not that they hate each others race or sexual orientation Yet reffered to as a hate crime. See?

I know what you mean. A lot of people pull the race card for everything.

tweet
2010-04-23, 15:39
Also in South Africa its not just whites getting targeted, its all foreigners, including blacks from outside South Africa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vizOarjD53o

some White SA only focus on themselves, they think the world evolves around them. Many people are suffering in SA

KRANG
2010-04-23, 15:52
Also in South Africa its not just whites getting targeted, its all foreigners, including blacks from outside South Africa.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vizOarjD53o

some White SA only focus on themselves, they think the world evolves around them. Many people are suffering in SA

Thats what happens when blacks take over. :)

Anyway whites have done some stupid shit in the past, but atleast whites arent killing in such brutal fashion like blacks do, rapping, burning babies and other sick shit.
How often do you hear about a bunch of white dudes raping a black girl, but the opposite is very common.

Alto Impacto
2010-04-23, 15:55
KRANG has no white guilt LOL.

KRANG
2010-04-23, 16:00
KRANG has no white guilt LOL.

And why would i? i have never done anything wrong to black people.

tweet
2010-04-23, 16:00
Those outside of SA dont understand whats going in SA because the white SA's are making it look like its a black vs white issue when its not, its xenophobic issue. Black SA's are very xenophobic regardless of race.

Take a look at this article
http://allafrica.com/stories/200902060008.html

They killed their own star because they thought he was a foreign black, now thats the reality. Its not a black vs white issue like those white SA's are trying to make it look like.

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Thats what happens when blacks take over. :)

Anyway whites have done some stupid shit in the past, but atleast whites arent killing in such brutal fashion like blacks do, rapping, burning babies and other sick shit.
How often do you hear about a bunch of white dudes raping a black girl, but the opposite is very common.

Are you for real?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7369851.stm

But they rape their daughters and make babies right?

KRANG
2010-04-23, 16:04
Those outside of SA dont understand whats going in SA because the white SA's are making it look like its a black vs white issue when its not, its xenophobic issue. Black SA's are very xenophobic regardless of race.

Take a look at this article
http://allafrica.com/stories/200902060008.html

They killed their own star because they thought he was a foreign black, now thats the reality. Its not a black vs white issue like those white SA's are trying to make it look like.

That's interesting, but it dosent make SAs look any better, killing every foreigners and al.;)

tweet
2010-04-23, 16:04
And why would i? i have never done anything wrong to black people.


except from talk shit on the internet

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That's interesting, but it dosent make SAs look any better, killing every foreigners and al.;)

Who said i was trying to make SA's look better?? Your just blinded by your own hate

KRANG
2010-04-23, 16:07
Those outside of SA dont understand whats going in SA because the white SA's are making it look like its a black vs white issue when its not, its xenophobic issue. Black SA's are very xenophobic regardless of race.

Take a look at this article
http://allafrica.com/stories/200902060008.html

They killed their own star because they thought he was a foreign black, now thats the reality. Its not a black vs white issue like those white SA's are trying to make it look like.

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Are you for real?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7369851.stm

But they rape their daughters and make babies right?

Hey im 1/4 austrian myself:)
By the way in africa men rape little babies to, and in US they rape like 100 white women a day according to one study i saw.

Vorador
2010-04-23, 16:07
KRANG has no white guilt LOL.Why should a non-American have white guilt?


Stay mad fag, that I'm continuing to call your pale delusional ass out! You know nothing of African Americans, worry about your own people, get the fuck out of black culture you leech. You blue eye devil. The majority of African Americans don't even agree with mixing the races, so sit and spin. Most black women find non-black men to be weak, and only dates them as a last resort to black men; however, their dream is to be with a black man. Stay mad fag!Said "BlackEGO", who himself looks white, according to his own words. LMFAO!

tweet
2010-04-23, 16:09
Hey im 1/4 austrian myself:)
By the way in africa men rape little babies to, and in US they rape like 100 white women a day according to one study i saw.

Typical, you would rather focus on African issues than address of your own..lol

KRANG
2010-04-23, 16:09
except from talk shit on the internet

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Who said i was trying to make SA's look better?? Your just blinded by your own hate

I dont hate blacks, belive it or not, but when i read stuff like TS posted it just makes me mad.

tweet
2010-04-23, 16:12
I dont hate blacks, belive it or not, but when i read stuff like TS posted it just makes me mad.

:lol: Their you go again clowning yourself, you dont fool me buddy. You have already exposed your true feelings, no going back now.

KRANG
2010-04-23, 16:14
Typical, you would rather focus on African issues than address of your own..lol

This is not my issue, the whole white men are pedofiles BS and white racism is something the media likes to talk about alot, but they never talk about for example what TS posted.

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:lol: Their you go again clowning yourself, you dont fool me buddy. You have already exposed your true feelings, no going back now.

Well to me racism is when you really hate another race , and i dont hate the negroid race, i really dont.

But i assume your black, so to you everybody thats say the N word is racist right.

Ozrage
2010-04-23, 16:23
Topic in this thread is:

:sly: The Hate Crimes You Don’t Hear About :sly:
https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=79965&postcount=1

Anodyne
2010-04-23, 21:59
It is true that violent racism has switched sides and is now perpetuated much more by Blacks than Whites in the US.

A revelation to most people.



The same could be said of South Africa and Zimbabwe. But what Cuddly Wuddly is not addressing is the historical trend of abuse that occurred in the reverse and how recently these populations have emancipated themselves from this abuse.

I was waiting for someone to attempt this silly argument. It's an old argument based on an assumption but yet gets passed along as a fact. What is this assumption? The belief that past historical abuse causes some people to be blinded by rage to the point where reason is thrown out the door and the fellow lashes out at someone who represents this oppression.

There is a problem with this reasoning. Even if we ignore the reality that Black on White crimes that are motivated by racial animosity get over looked quite often, we can assume that the numbers are still very small in proportion to the Black population because White on Black crimes are small in proportion to the White population. So it's not a charge often made even when part of the population tends to get a pass. What does this say about the Black population? Well, some may feel rage towards Whites (and other groups) but they don't act out violently. That's no shocker. The vast majority of people don't commit violent crimes. So what does it say about that small number of Black people who committed a violent act against another ethnic group? The same Stanton Samenow (among others) concluded: there are people with violent dispositions. People who commit violent acts, whether considered hate crimes or not, whether Black, White, Asian, etc. normally have a history of violence. Rare is the case that someone flips out and commits a violent act without having a history of violence except when in self defense. These are the facts. The Black aggressor, just as the White aggressor, isn't a person motivated by anything other than what he desires at the moment (violent criminals generally don't think ahead). He may use past racial oppression, or current discrimination, as an excuse but that's all it is... an excuse. It's not the reason. The reason is they're a violent criminal type. It's hard to claim that someone with a history of violence is lashing out violently because of society when the majority of people from the same group don't lash out that way.


While this does not excuse said violent racism. After all it does not target prior perpetrators but just innocent victims that happen to look like them, there is a socio-historical explanation for this rage.

There are no prior perpetrators. A 26 year old Black man wasn't a victim of a slave owner because he wasn't born under slavery.


And it is not the vast majority of African Americans. It is still a valid trend to be explored. What Cuddly Wuddly fails to recognize, though, in his obsessive racism, is that this is not a racial paradigm, but socio-cultural.

I'm hardly an obsessive racist. I've defend Blacks on these forums in the past when someone makes a foolish claim about them. What I don't like is bullshit and that's all you offer. Your socio-cultural argument I've heard before from Thomas Sowell and I accepted it completely at first. Now I only partially accept it because I started reading respected men like Eysenck and Samenow.


We do not see Blacks in Perú going around killing White people for no reason at all.

How do you know this? Even if the Black population in Peru is around 6% to 9%, as you claim, instead of the roughly 3%, we wouldn't know how common it is for a Black Peruvian to be involved in criminal activity because in the recent past the correct size of the population wasn't acknowledged, nor do I, and most likely you, know if Peru keeps records of race and crime like they do here in the U.S.



Burglaries occur in every country. Even violent crime. But until Cuddly can prove that globally, Blacks produce more violent crimes, based on hate (and no, violent crime is not always based on hate), specifically hate of another so called race, or ethnic group, than any other group per capita, in all countries, he is just showing his own prejudice, not making a serious scholarly claim.

How convenient is it for you that in first world nations that have Hate Crime Laws that Blacks, just like here in the U.S., are given a pass quite often. It's the same with other minorities unless they're Muslim committing a hate crime against Jews and that's because Jews will defend themselves collectively, as they should.

Black communities in first world nations, regardless of the nation, commit violent crimes way beyond their proportion to the population but yet we're to believe that few are of those crimes are racially motivated and why? Because of flawed statistics.


...he is just showing his own prejudice, not making a serious scholarly claim.

I'm using what is called inductive reasoning. You can throw around ad hominems all you want (and what you are actually doing is an ad hominem because you're attacking my intentions) but my reasoning is sound.

Wizdumb
2010-04-23, 23:37
I've always felt that the hate crime label is a bit silly. But I don't believe that blacks are given a "free pass" for committing racially motivated crimes. That is pure bullshit.

You can argue that white on black hate crimes are reported more often in the media, which is true; But to say that blacks aren't punished for crimes against whites is an exaggeration, a blatant lie even.

Recently in my city a black gang was charged for assaulting random whites and killing an innocent white male. Did the media refer to them as a hate group? Absolutely, because their crimes were clearly racially motivated. Per capita, there are more black-on-white crimes than white-on-black, but the MAJORITY of black-on-white crimes are not racially motivated.

On the other hand, there are far more RACIALLY motivated crimes committed by whites than by blacks. That is a fact. Those crimes make the news more often because they fit neatly into the white opressor, black victim paradigm. No worries though, the justice system punishes black offender's just as harshly as they do whites :)

Salsassin
2010-04-24, 00:20
I was waiting for someone to attempt this silly argument. It's an old argument based on an assumption but yet gets passed along as a fact. What is this assumption? The belief that past historical abuse causes some people to be blinded by rage to the point where reason is thrown out the door and the fellow lashes out at someone who represents this oppression.
Nice try. It is not an automatic gut reaction. It is certain portions of the population that do accumulate enough animosity for it. When you grow up hearing stories of Emmit Till, lynchings, with post cards and everything, give me a break, there are going to be angry people.


There is a problem with this reasoning. Even if we ignore the reality that Black on White crimes that are motivated by racial animosity get over looked quite often, we can assume that the numbers are still very small in proportion to the Black population because White on Black crimes are small in proportion to the White population.

LOL That is stupid. It matters not what the proportion of Whites is, but what the perception of Blacks would be. That means the proportion of Blacks that were victims, or people who knew victims. Jim Crow just ended 40 years ago.


The vast majority of people don't commit violent crimes.
The vast majority of Blacks don't either. More than Whites, but still not the majority.

Your whole claim that it is an innate tendency in Blacks holds no water.


There are no prior perpetrators. A 26 year old Black man wasn't a victim of a slave owner because he wasn't born under slavery.

But he was born from parents who can relate to them Jim Crow from personal experience.


How do you know this? Even if the Black population in Peru is around 6% to 9%, as you claim, instead of the roughly 3%, we wouldn't know how common it is for a Black Peruvian to be involved in criminal activity because in the recent past the correct size of the population wasn't acknowledged, nor do I, and most likely you, know if Peru keeps records of race and crime like they do here in the U.S.

LOL Nice try. If there was a disproportionate rate of crime in Peru, we would see it in the News. The fact that we don't, every time they post pictures of perps, is evidence enough. Nobody has stats because no one has felt the need to do those stats.


Black communities in first world nations, regardless of the nation, commit violent crimes way beyond their proportion to the population but yet we're to believe that few are of those crimes are racially motivated and why? Because of flawed statistics.

Feel free to show crimes by immigrant nation in First World countries. Many immigrants come from Third world countries with poverty and war. Show me that the violence is from all the countries of Africa and the diaspora.


I'm using what is called inductive reasoning. You can throw around ad hominems all you want (and what you are actually doing is an ad hominem because you're attacking my intentions) but my reasoning is sound.
Nice try. I am attacking your logic, and showing the motions behind it.

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On the other hand, there are far more RACIALLY motivated crimes committed by whites than by blacks. That is a fact.

Actually, it is not. The FBI Files show that, per capita, Blacks commit more violent racial crimes in the US. They might even do more in absolute numbers. Of course almost all the perps come from the lower classes.

Anodyne
2010-04-24, 01:00
Nice try. It is not an automatic gut reaction. It is certain portions of the population that do accumulate enough animosity for it. When you grow up hearing stories of Emmit Till, lynchings, with post cards and everything, give me a break, there are going to be angry people.

Nice try. An assumption based on nothing. Anger doesn't automatically lead to violence. Few people act out violently.




LOL That is stupid. It matters not what the proportion of Whites is, but what the perception of Blacks would be. That means the proportion of Blacks that were victims, or people who knew victims. Jim Crow just ended 40 years ago.

Obviously you didn't understand my post. I don't think it needs to be explained again since it wasn't complicated in the first place. If you had understood my comment you'd understand that the Black perception is irrelevant because regardless if their is deep animosity among Blacks few Blacks commit violent crimes. Although it does happen to be much more than among Whites, Asians, etc.


The vast majority of Blacks don't either. More than Whites, but still not the majority.

Thanks for repeating back to me what I said in my post about Blacks and crime. This is my last response to you because you obviously have issues reading posts when you're hot and bothered.


Your whole claim that it is an innate tendency in Blacks holds no water.

I never made such a claim. Quote me doing so. What I have always said is that some people have a disposition towards violence. I believe Blacks are more likely to be criminally oriented but that doesn't mean it's innate because that would imply that all Blacks are criminally oriented. The disposition is innate for an individual, however.



But he was born from parents who can relate to them Jim Crow from personal experience.

Jim Crow didn't exist in every state. But lets say his parents grew up in Ole' Miss. The most racist state of them all. He lives in a different environment than that of his parents. You make assumption after assumption rather than developing arguments.


LOL Nice try. If there was a disproportionate rate of crime in Peru, we would see it in the News. The fact that we don't, every time they post pictures of perps, is evidence enough.

Why would that be? If the population is small it wouldn't get as much attention because despite committing crimes out of proportion to their numbers it wouldn't have a great deal of an effect.

The bold is very revealing, hypocrite.



Nobody has stats because no one has felt the need to do those stats.

I doubt that's simple. Much depends on politics (if it's leftist and inclusive) and also taking into consideration what the bulk of the population consists of: Mestizos and Amerindians. Also how they want to be perceived as a nation matters. If the Black population is larger than roughly 3% why would they have been ignored? Perhaps because it gives a perception the govt. didn't want.


Feel free to show crimes by immigrant nation in First World countries. Many immigrants come from Third world countries with poverty and war. Show me that the violence is from all the countries of Africa and the diaspora.

Oh, are you asking for evidence from me considering you never offer any links and direct quotes? That's brash. It's a two way street and so far I've allowed it to be one way. Your ignorance means nothing to me.

It's Friday and your response tells me it wouldn't matter what sources I post. You made a "pre emptive" strike with this jewel "Many immigrants come from Third world countries with poverty and war." As if many means most and if that many are the cause of all that crime. If you had a half a brain you'd point out that children of first generation immigrants tend commit higher crime rates than the host population regardless of race. That's me helping you out because your attempts at debating me are so sad that I pity you. So I'll actually help you. Of course I have a counter argument but you won't see it because I'm done educating you.



Nice try. I am attacking your logic, and showing the motions behind it.

You attacked my logic and failed because you have no actual argument. You just feed off me and that's why we're done.

Wait.. you barely attacked my argument. As always you ignored some of my points.