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Khashoor
2017-08-29, 08:58
Just another thread based on the previous one: http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=48356&highlight=

From my observation of this PCA, Amerindians and Australoids/Sahulians are similar in their genetic distance to East Asians. So I wonder why Amerindians are considered by many as part of "Mongoloid" race when they and Australoids are equally distant to East Asian aka Mongoloids.

http://i.imgur.com/J5L4pw4.jpg

I got the PCA from this DNA paper: http://ir.soken.ac.jp/?action=repository_uri&item_id=4960&file_id=19&file_no=2

Just saying....

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Also this FST data show Amerindians being very distant from Eastern Asians populations with the latter being located between Amerindians and Australoids.

The interesting observation is that Mongoloid pops are here closer in FST distance to South Asian and West Eurasian populations than with Amerindians.

P.S. I don't know what DNA paper the FST data came from but I got it from this thread (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?12519-Global-genetic-distances-(graph-map)),

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k178/argiedude/FSTHGDP8bunch-uprecalculaterearr-1.gif

Khashoor
2017-08-29, 09:05
Yep, that's it.

JustinNazir
2017-09-07, 04:15
Since nobody else will answer, I will. They are part of the mongoloid race because they are descended from Asiatic people. I don't think just because they have the same genetic distance from the Asians as Australoid's do that they have to be apart of the same racial group. There are some articles on the topic that scientist have discovered Australoid DNA in Native Americans.

Sun Shield Pakal
2017-09-07, 04:50
Since nobody else will answer, I will. They are part of the mongoloid race because they are descended from Asiatic people. I don't think just because they have the same genetic distance from the Asians as Australoid's do that they have to be apart of the same racial group. There are some articles on the topic that scientist have discovered Australoid DNA in Native Americans.

If you're one of those folks who believe that all races descended from Black folks according to the out of Africa theory, then by that logic, everyone's Black.

Personally, I definitely believe there's more than enough distinctions among indigenous Americans to consider themselves a separate race from Oriental folks. Not only is there evidence such as the one above indicating vast genetic distance from Orientals, but there's the vast cultural and geographic difference that is undeniable as far as I'm concern. Of course, there's the phenotype argument where I believe indigenous Americans share some resemblance to Orientals, especially the Inuit. However, I can definitely notice differences in phenotype and when you take the other distinctions in consideration, I don't find it unreasonable at all to consider them a separate race. After all, it is the norm for scholars of anthropology, history, genetics, and anything else involving racial identity to treat indigenous Americans as their own race from what I can tell.

See now, this is a perfect example of how debatable race is; there's no absolute, objective standard that define where racial boundaries lie as far as I'm concerned. I mean, there's even discussion on whether or not race exists.