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Litvin
2017-09-01, 13:13
My results after today's update:

1. Ancient Farmers & Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers - 49.9 %, including:

a) South-Eastern European Farmers - 29.0 %
b) Iberian (West European) Farmers - 9.7 %

c) Neolithic and Bronze Age Levant - 2.8 %

c) CHG and Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran - 8.4 %

2. Steppe Cultures - 27.3 %, including:

a) Andronovo and Srubnaya - 10.1 %
b) Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 9.2 %
c) Karasuk and Scytho-Sarmatians - 8.0 %

3. Western European and Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers - 22.8 %

http://i.imgur.com/WcLFuYm.png

http://i.imgur.com/WcLFuYm.png

Polako
2017-09-01, 13:41
Looks more than a bit off.

Desertrose
2017-09-01, 15:16
is this worst the 5 bucks ?

kingjohn
2017-09-03, 14:23
is this worst the 5 bucks ?

no .......

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is this worst the 5 bucks ?

no .......

Dibran
2017-09-09, 18:27
Me:

ANCIENT FARMERS 74.8%

WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)31.2%
References include Neolithic genomes from Portugal, and Chalcolithic genomes from Spain. The similarity between these farmers and other Mediterranean farmers points to a rapid spread of agriculture in Europe around 7000 years ago.
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)4.2%
Based on neolithic and bronze-age period samples recovered from the Levant area in the Middle-East. The references for the bronze age Levant farmer (BA) samples were recovered from the Ain Ghazal, Jordan area and were dated to about 4300 years ago.

The first farmers of the southern Levant (Israel and Jordan) and Zagros Mountains (Iran) were strongly genetically differentiated, and each descended from local hunter-gatherers. By the time of the Bronze Age, these two populations and Anatolian-related farmers had mixed with each other and with the hunter- gatherers of Europe to drastically reduce genetic differentiation. The impact of the Near Eastern farmers extended beyond the Near East: farmers related to those of Anatolia spread westward into Europe; farmers related to those of the Levant spread southward into East Africa; farmers related to those from Iran spread northward into the Eurasian steppe; and people related to both the early farmers of Iran and to the pastoralists of he Eurasian steppe spread eastward into South Asia.
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)5.4%
Based on Neolithic and chalcolithic period samples recovered from Northwest Iran. The farmers from the Zagros mountain Iran region descended from one of multiple, genetically differentiated hunter-gatherer populations in southwestern Asia.

They are estimated to have separated from Early Neolithic farmers in Anatolia some 46,000 to 77,000 years ago, and show affinities to modern-day Kurd, Iranian, Pakistani and Afghan populations.

The Neolithic Iranian references used for this component, were recovered from the Kurdistan region of Iran, and appear to be around 9000 years old. The Chalcolithic Iranian references have been dated to around 5000 years old. The Caucasus Hunter Gatherers (CHG) appear to have genetically contributed to present day Europeans, W Asians, and S Asians.
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)34%
References consist of genomes from Turkey, Greece, and other parts of SE Europe from the Neolithic period. These represent descendants of the first farmers to colonize Europe from the Near East.




STEPPE CULTURES 25.1%

KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)7%
This cluster is based on ancient genomes from the Karasuk culture, supplemented with two Iron-Age Eastern Scythian samples. The Karasuk percentage should be interpreted as a diffusion of DNA from the Eastern Eurasian Steppe populations post Bronze Age, via Turkic expansions, as well as more subtle diffusions via NE Caucasus populations.
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)10.6%
The Andronovo culture, which are believed to have aided in the spread of Indo_European languages, is a collection of similar local Bronze Age cultures that flourished around 3000-4000 years ago in western Siberia and the west Asiatic steppe. This culture overlapped with the Srubna culture in the Volga-Ural region of Russia.
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)7.6%
Believed to be among the first Indo-European language speakers. The Yamnaya genetically appear to be a fusion between the Eastern European Hunter Gatherers that inhabited the western Siberian steppe, and a populations from the Caucasus region. Descendants of the Yamnaya would later change the genetic substructure of indigenous Neolithic Europeans via invasions of Europe from the Eurasian steppe.



0.1% results African

Skizzy
2017-09-10, 07:51
Looks more than a bit off.

Why?

Polako
2017-09-10, 08:12
Why?

It doesn't match any other methods or scientific literature.

thetick
2017-09-10, 17:40
Why?

Would you trust any business with web page with the following ? It about as unscientific and douchebaggy as possible:
https://preview.ibb.co/nzaZgv/Capture.png

kingjohn
2017-09-10, 19:37
the refrences they used
The references for the various components are as follows:


Yamnaya-Afansievo: Yamnaya Samara, Yamnaya Kalmykia, Poltavka, and Afanasievo;
Andronovo-Srubnaya: 3 Andronovo and 2 Srubnaya samples
E-European Farmer: Neolithic genomes from Turkey, Greece, and other parts of SE Europe.
W-European Farmer: Neolithic genomes from Portugal, and Chalcolithic genomes from Spain.
SE Eurasian: Jarawa, S Indian tribals, Brunei tribals, and Burmese.
Karasuk: 5 genomes from the Karasuk culture, supplemented with 2 IA Eastern Scythian samples.
WHG-SHG: 8 genomes from continental Europe and Sweden.

Celph Titled
2017-09-11, 01:03
Thank god i was smart enough not to waste my money on that, I got a message about these new calculators, I thought they were going to be free, and bitch as mofos wasted a few minutes of my life, so I send them a message about this

I will stick to GedMatch, at least it's free and more accurate

Blodeuwedd
2017-09-11, 01:49
Would you trust any business with web page with the following ? It about as unscientific and douchebaggy as possible:
https://preview.ibb.co/nzaZgv/Capture.png

Lol. I like the ancient Egyptian Ankh for "Ancestry", and is that actually a Pac Man next to it? Must be credible.

Lemminkäinen
2017-09-11, 10:41
Looks good, the first test for ancient admixture that sounds even a little credible. Ftdna's ancient admixture test is shit and most of Gedmatch ancient tests are also shit.

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/geneplaza.png

Lemminkäinen
2017-09-11, 12:52
My results after today's update:

1. Ancient Farmers & Caucasus Hunter-Gatherers - 49.9 %, including:

a) South-Eastern European Farmers - 29.0 %
b) Iberian (West European) Farmers - 9.7 %

c) Neolithic and Bronze Age Levant - 2.8 %

c) CHG and Neolithic-Chalcolithic Iran - 8.4 %

2. Steppe Cultures - 27.3 %, including:

a) Andronovo and Srubnaya - 10.1 %
b) Yamnaya-Afanasievo-Poltavka - 9.2 %
c) Karasuk and Scytho-Sarmatians - 8.0 %

3. Western European and Scandinavian Hunter-Gatherers - 22.8 %



My Steppe Culture percentages are same (though numbers differ), but the Ancient Farmer proportion differs from yours and I have no Caucasus HG in the header. Here are my numbers:

WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)9.5%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years)3.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)1.2%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)24.0%

The Levant proportion is interesting, because I have seen it very often in my results. As a Finn shouldn't have it, but some Gedmatch tests and also FtDna gives me some percentages ancient NE. It looks like they have several bundles of ancient farmer populations and they try to find the best fit, but I can't say how good they have been in making those bundles.

kingjohn
2017-09-15, 19:11
the reference that the creator of this calculator used for east european farmers
and for west european farmers components



Here are the references for E European Farmer that Dilawer me:


Anatolia_N I0707
Anatolia_N I0708
Anatolia_N I0709
Anatolia_N I0744
Anatolia_N I0745
Anatolia_N I0746
Anatolia_N I1580
Anatolia_N I1581
Anatolia_N I1583
Anatolia_N I1585
Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar8
Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar31
Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE150
Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE577
Europe_EN CB13
Europe_EN I1505
Europe_EN I1506
Europe_LNBA I0099
Europe_LNBA I0103
Europe_LNBA I0104
Europe_LNBA I0112
Europe_LNBA I0117
Europe_LNBA I0118
Europe_LNBA I0164
Europe_MNChL I1497
Europe_MNChL Matojo
Greek_EN_Imputed Rev5
Greek_LN_Imputed Klei10
Greek_LN_Imputed Pal7
Stuttgart_Imputed LBK






These are for the W European Farmer:

Europe_MNChL I0172
Europe_MNChL I0408
Portugal_BA_Imputed MonteGato104
Portugal_BA_Imputed TV3831
Portugal_BA_Imputed TV32032
Portugal_LN_Imputed CabecoArruda122A
Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura9B
Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura364
Portugal_LN_Imputed DolmenAnsiao96B
Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto41
Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto42
Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto44
Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP2
Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP12-1420
Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP16

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the reference that the creator of this calculator used for east european farmers
and for west european farmers components



Here are the references for E European Farmer that Dilawer me:


Anatolia_N I0707
Anatolia_N I0708
Anatolia_N I0709
Anatolia_N I0744
Anatolia_N I0745
Anatolia_N I0746
Anatolia_N I1580
Anatolia_N I1581
Anatolia_N I1583
Anatolia_N I1585
Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar8
Anatolia_N_Imputed Bar31
Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE150
Central_LNBA_Imputed RISE577
Europe_EN CB13
Europe_EN I1505
Europe_EN I1506
Europe_LNBA I0099
Europe_LNBA I0103
Europe_LNBA I0104
Europe_LNBA I0112
Europe_LNBA I0117
Europe_LNBA I0118
Europe_LNBA I0164
Europe_MNChL I1497
Europe_MNChL Matojo
Greek_EN_Imputed Rev5
Greek_LN_Imputed Klei10
Greek_LN_Imputed Pal7
Stuttgart_Imputed LBK






These are for the W European Farmer:

Europe_MNChL I0172
Europe_MNChL I0408
Portugal_BA_Imputed MonteGato104
Portugal_BA_Imputed TV3831
Portugal_BA_Imputed TV32032
Portugal_LN_Imputed CabecoArruda122A
Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura9B
Portugal_LN_Imputed CovaMoura364
Portugal_LN_Imputed DolmenAnsiao96B
Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto41
Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto42
Portugal_MN_Imputed LugarCanto44
Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP2
Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP12-1420
Spain_Chl_Imputed ATP16

kingjohn
2017-09-23, 20:10
ANCIENT FARMERS
78.6%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years)
27.5%


LEVANT (4000-8000 years)
7.1%


NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years)
10.9%


EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years)
33.1%

STEPPE CULTURES
18.5%

STEPPE CULTURES18.5%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years)9.0%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years)3.7%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years)5.8%

AFRICAN
1.8%
EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern)
0.7%
SOUTHEAST EURASIAN
0.4%
WESTERN EUROPEAN & SCANDINAVIAN HUNTER GATHERERS (4000-5000 years)
0.0%



p.s
1.8% east african i thought i would score higher .....
i wonder about the 9% east scytian ......

eggyolk
2017-10-30, 19:45
ANCIENT FARMERS 57.6%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 14.3%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 5.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years) 12.2%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 25.4%

STEPPE CULTURES 40.0%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 15.8%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 7.8%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 16.3%

SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 1.3%

AFRICAN 1.1%
EAST AFRICAN (modern) 1.1%

kushkush
2018-04-05, 07:31
SOUTHEAST EURASIAN 41.0%

ANCIENT FARMERS 29.8%
WEST EUROPEAN FARMERS (4000-5000 years) 0.0%
LEVANT (4000-8000 years) 3.6%
NEOLITHIC-CHALCOLITHIC IRAN-CHG (5000-12000 years) 18.2%
EAST EUROPEAN FARMERS (5000-8000 years) 8.0%

STEPPE CULTURES 20.2%
KARASUK-E SCYTHIAN (2000-3000 years) 5.7%
ANDRONOVO-SRUBNAYA (3000-4000 years) 7.9%
YAMNAYA-AFANASIEVO-POLTAVKA (4000-5000 years) 6.6%

EASTERN NON AFRICANS (modern) 5.2%

AFRICAN 3.7%
EAST AFRICAN (modern) 3.7%
WEST AFRICAN (modern) 0.0%

EliasAlucard
2018-04-05, 22:53
Looks good, the first test for ancient admixture that sounds even a little credible. Ftdna's ancient admixture test is shit and most of Gedmatch ancient tests are also shit.

http://www.elisanet.fi/mauri_my/geneplaza.pngFinns are more Neolithic farmer than proto-Indo-European?

Lemminkäinen
2018-04-06, 08:35
Finns are more Neolithic farmers than proto-Indo-Europeans?

The farmer proportion is somewhat too big and steppe too small. In my own tests I use different divisions:

Central European Bronze Age 27%
European Neolithic Farmer 19%
European MNChL 9%
East European Steppe EMBA 15%

If we put together Neolithic Farmer and MNChL my Farmer proportion is 28% and the Yamnaya-like proportion is 15%, but Central European Bronze Age also holds some farmer ancestry. If we assume that the Central European Bronze Age holds Early BA Steppe and Neolithic farmer in ratio 2:1 we get the farmer proportion 37% and the steppe 33%. Although Geneplaza gives too high farmer propotion, it gives much more realistic result than some other tests giving 70% Steppe or FamilytreeDna and its 70% WHG.

Corrected results.