Why are the Euro/Caucasoid-centric posters obsessed with purity?

[Game Theory]

As everyone knows, there are no "pure" people on the planet, but why do European and Caucasoid-centric posters pretend and or put out the notion that Europeans/Eurasians are genetic breeding isolates with the least amount of mixture when every genetic study refutes this very notion? How can these same idiots argue that Horners are mulattoes but argue North Africans are not and or less mixed that Horners?

[Zupan]

We do so because you get mad. And because the egypts were black and all somalis stem from the Phoenicians. Wadaad told us

[Lol_Race]

Because that is what they are, Eurocentrists. The same way you appear to be an Afrocentrist in some topics. This forum attracts extremists.

[Zupan]

Because that is what they are, Eurocentrists. The same way you appear to be an Afrocentrist in some topics. This forum attracts extremists.

Hehe :D

So which side you on!:mad: You mulattoe!

[Lol_Race]

Hehe :D

So which side you on!:mad: You mulattoe!
Hmph! I have no sides, you all descend from us. :D

Besides, I have never heard anyone call a half Arab and half "Black", or whatever it is these people are saying, a mulatto. I have never excluded any possibilities, I have only pointed out that no genetic test confirms what those people say. Contemporary genetics suggests a completely different reason for the genetics of the Horn of Africa. That's all. ;)

[Karhunkynsi]

As everyone knows, there are no "pure" people on the planet, but why do European and Caucasoid-centric posters pretend and or put out the notion that Europeans/Eurasians are genetic breeding isolates with the least amount of mixture when every genetic study refutes this very notion?

Sounds far fetched. Any examples ?

[Qart Hadash]

LMAO Afro-centrists are the dumbest people in the world.

[Game Theory]

Because that is what they are, Eurocentrists. The same way you appear to be an Afrocentrist in some topics. This forum attracts extremists.


No sun, the Game is not and "Afrocentrist" in the manner this forum thinks, but obviously is African-centered and focused, the Game will not waste his time worshiping Europeans and whatever bogus agenda they have.



LMAO Afro-centrists are the dumbest people in the world.

So says the idiot who thinks Kabyles are the only real North Africans and the rest are fake.

[Qart Hadash]

So says the idiot who thinks Kabyles are the only real North Africans and the rest are fake.
So claims the Afro-centrist. I do think Algerians are a good representation of N.Africans.

No sun, the Game is not and "Afrocentrist" in the manner this forum thinks, but obviously is African-centered and focused, the Game will not waste his time worshiping Europeans and whatever bogus agenda they have.
Says the Ghetto guy who's never been outside his ghetto , I'm sure you never went outside your district in USA , millions of km away from Europe and Africa , lost there with your Afro-centricism.

[The_Majerten]

Qart Hadash,

North Africans are depigmented Ethiopians / Horner-Euro mulattoes :evilgrin:

[Qart Hadash]

Qart Hadash,
North Africans are depigmented Ethiopians / Horner-Euro mulattoes :evilgrin:
I don't give a shit to Somalis. (Black-Eurasian mulattoes:evilgrin:]

[The_Majerten]

I don't give a shit to Somalis.


Whatever my E1b1b carrying mixed child. :p

[Qart Hadash]

Whatever my E1b1b carrying mixed child. :p
I'm not your child , have you ever seen you in a mirror?

[ethioboy]

I'm not your child , have you ever seen you in a mirror?

This kid is half somali and half european...

http://img100.imageshack.us/i/geuss12dy.jpg/

I think you are darker than him... so you probably could pass for half somali :p

[Game Theory]

So claims the Afro-centrist. I do think Algerians are a good representation of N.Africans.

Says the Ghetto guy who's never been outside his ghetto , I'm sure you never went outside your district in USA , millions of km away from Europe and Africa , lost there with your Afro-centricism.

Personal attacks+failure to refute reality+frustration= Demented halfbred Arab troll.

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I don't give a shit to Somalis. (Black-Eurasian mulattoes:evilgrin:]


North Africans have loads of Euro-Middle Eastern-Sub-Saharan ancestry, East Africans have moderate to low levels of foreign admixture, you can't escape the reality of Tishkoff's study can you?

[Qart Hadash]

This kid is half somali and half european...

http://img100.imageshack.us/i/geuss12dy.jpg/

I think you are darker than him... so you probably could pass for half somali :p
Then All Caucasians are half Somali , I assume that's why Afro-centrists said Vikings were Black? Seriously . I remember you are Hamassen , when you told me you were genetically mostly Eurasian with Black admixture.

[The_Majerten]

I'm not your child , have you ever seen you in a mirror?

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Ancient Horner men with 'E1b1b' mixing with Southern European 'H' women are the only logical explanation for the Berber phenotype. Don't deny it, you are predominately African as well. ;)

[Anodyne]

This kid is half somali and half european...

http://img100.imageshack.us/i/geuss12dy.jpg/

I think you are darker than him... so you probably could pass for half somali :p

Ironically photos like that make people think Horners are heavily mixed.

[Qart Hadash]

Personal attacks+failure to refute reality+frustration= Demented halfbred Arab troll.[COLOR="Silver"]
North Africans have loads of Euro-Middle Eastern-Sub-Saharan ancestry, East Africans have moderate to low levels of foreign admixture, you can't escape the reality of Tishkoff's study can you?
Horners are mixed.period. Tishkoff studied Mozabites (Saharans) and she argues that Mozabites are more than 60% of her "European" cluster , then I assume Kabylians and other north Algerians would reach the 80%.

[Lol_Race]

Many half Horner half European mixes don't look like that kid; instead, they look North African.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that North Africans are half East African, and I'm not denying that you have lots of Eurasian ancestry. But autosomal studies, as well as your very own subclade of E3b (E-M81) show the African genetic contributions to North African populations.

[Game Theory]

Then All Caucasian are half Somali , I assume that's why Afro-centrists said Vikings were Black? Seriously . I remember you are Hamassen , when you told me you were genetically mostly Eurasian with Black admixture.

Listen troll, North Africans are the most mixed Africans with the possible exception of Cape Mixed people who are just a small population within South Africa, don't let the Game have to keep pulling your skirt up exposing you.

[Qart Hadash]

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Ancient Horner men with 'E1b1b' mixing with Southern European 'H' women are the only logical explanation for the Berber phenotype. Don't deny it, you are predominately African as well. ;) Stupid. E1b1b lineage came from an ancient Eurasian lineage which entered Africa and spread through Northeast Egypt and East-Africa , then to North Africa (a long with a very-well known J1 (M-267) lineage , found all over North Africa). The first presence of Humans in Northwest Africa is caracterized by an Ibero-maurisian culture (surely U6 MTDNA). Where do you see any Horners here ? E1b1a entered Africa , from south Eurasia , very much way before and colonized much of SS-Africa over A and B hg (Khoisan/Pygmies) , E1b1b is a descendant of E1 , descendants of E coming from DE via CT (migrations of Humans out of Africa).

[Game Theory]

Horners are mixed.period. Tishkoff studied Mozabites (Saharans) and she argues that Mozabites are more than 60% of her "European" cluster , then I assume Kabylians and other north Algerians would reach the 90%.

You have no proof so why assume idiot? Kabyles are predominately African also, but maybe more mixed that Mozabites.

[Anodyne]

Many half Horner half European mixes don't look like that kid; instead, they look North African.

It would be sweet if someone posted a thread comparing Horner/European individuals with West African/European individuals.

[Qart Hadash]

Listen troll, North Africans are the most mixed Africans with the possible exception of Cape Mixed people who are just a small population within South Africa, don't let the Game have to keep pulling your skirt up exposing you. You call me troll? What's more troll than an Afro-Centrist?

[Game Theory]

Stupid. E1b1b lineage came from an ancient Eurasian lineage which enter Africa and spread through Northeast Egypt and East-Africa , then to North Africa (a long with a very-well known J1 lineage , found all over North Africa). The presence of Humans in Northwest Africa is caracterized by an Ibero-maurisian culture (surely U6 MTDNA). Where do you see any Horners here ? E1b1a entered Africa , from Eurasia , way before and colonized much of Africa over A and B hg (Khoisan/Pygmies) , E1b1b is a descendant of E1 , descendants of E coming from DE via CT (migrations of Humans out of Africa).


There is no proof or consensus that E3b came from outside of Africa, the proof indicates that E3b recently expanded out from sub-Saharan Africa into the Middle East and North Africa with E-M81 being the youngest.

[Qart Hadash]

Many half Horner half European mixes don't look like that kid; instead, they look North African Comletely untrue. Horners are mixed , so when they mix with Eurasians , the level of Eurasian ancestry increases and they tend to look more North African/Middle-East than do pure Horners.

[The_Majerten]

Stupid. E1b1b lineage came from an ancient Eurasian lineage which enter Africa and spread through Northeast Egypt and East-Africa , then to North Africa (a long with a very-well known J1 lineage , found all over North Africa). The presence of Humans in Northwest Africa is caracterized by an Ibero-maurisian culture (surely U6 MTDNA). Where do you see any Horners here ? E1b1a entered Africa , from Eurasia , way before and colonized much of Africa over A and B hg (Khoisan/Pygmies) , E1b1b is a descendant of E1 , descendants of E coming from DE via CT (migrations of Humans out of Africa).


Now you Euro-centrists are claiming the most quintessential African marker 'E' as being Eurasian, wow, what's next?

Any sources to your claims...

[Game Theory]

It would be sweet if someone posted a thread comparing Horner/European individuals with West African/European individuals.

That wouldn't prove anything, people of true 50-50 mixes can have phenotypes that go either way.

[Lol_Race]

It would be sweet if someone posted a thread comparing Horner/European individuals with West African/European individuals.
There was a thread for that. Try searching it.

Comletely untrue. Horners are mixed , so when they mix with Eurasian , the level of Eurasian ancestry increases and they tend to look more North African/Middle-East than do pure Horners.
What is a pure Horner? I was talking about people who are mixed between Horner and European. I've seen these people, I think I know what they look like.

[Qart Hadash]

Now you Euro-centrists are claiming the most quintessential African marker 'E' as being Eurasian, wow, what's next?
Any sources to your claims...

DE and its descendants are found in Africa and Asia.
DE comes from CT , which is the marker that represents the migration of Humans outside of Africa and actually CR gave birth to C haplogroup , F haplogroup ( all its descandants) and DE. ( whereas A and B hg staid in Africa). E1b1b re-entered Africa by Eurasian migrations (caracterized also by a J1 lineage and Eurasian MTDNA such as M1 and such others).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yhaplotree.JPG

[Anodyne]

That wouldn't prove anything, people of true 50-50 mixes can have phenotypes that go either way.

Perhaps in the USA where African-Americans have significant European ancestry and even then very few come out looking anything close to that kid or some other Horner/European people I've seen. They certainly don't look North African. But I haven't seen many to be honest. So a thread o nit would be super cool.

You remember Gelaye? He had an interesting look.

[Game Theory]

Perhaps in the USA where African-Americans have significant European ancestry and even then very few come out looking anything close to that kid or some other Horner/European people I've seen. They certainly don't look North African. But I haven't seen many to be honest. So a thread o nit would be super cool.

You remember Gelaye? He had an interesting look.

Yes indeed, he looked East Asian, which is why the Game said 50-50 mixes can have phenotypes that go either way. But, it can be stated that Horners do *NOT* resemble 50-50 mixes of "True Negroes" so called and Arabs, which is what the troll is saying.

[Lol_Race]

You're wrong, Qart Hadash. It doesn't matter where E* originated, E1b1a and E1b1b are believed to have originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.

[The_Majerten]

Anyone with common sense could deduce its origin by simply analyzing this map

http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/E.png

[Game Theory]

You're wrong, Qart Hadash. It doesn't matter where E* originated, E1b1a and E1b1b are believed to have originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.

If E originated is Eurasia like that troll stated why don't Bantus cluster with Eurasians in Tishkoff's study? By his logic Bantus expanded recently from Eurasia, leapfrogged into southern Nigeria/northern Cameroon and spread through central, eastern and southern africa, all of this while populating West Africa.

[Lol_Race]

If E originated is Eurasia like that troll stated why don't Bantus cluster with Eurasians in Tishkoff's study? By his logic Bantus expanded recently from Eurasia, leapfrogged into southern Nigeria/northern Cameroon and spread through central, eastern and southern africa, all of this while populating West Africa.
Hey, those aren't my words. It doesn't make any sense to me either. I don't think he's a troll, I think we should just leave him be.

But you should understand that even if E originated outside of Africa, it could still have been spread by males who are genetically no different to African males. That's the way haplogroups work.

[Qart Hadash]

If E originated is Eurasia like that troll stated why don't Bantus cluster with Eurasians in Tishkoff's study? By his logic Bantus expanded recently from Eurasia, leapfrogged into southern Nigeria/northern Cameroon and spread through central, eastern and southern africa, all of this while populating West Africa.
Clusters and haplogroups are not the same things. Horners like Ethioboy cluster with Eurasians , and atleast Mozabites are more of 60% of "European" cluster according by your Godess Tishkoff. E1b1a is more ancient in Africa , DE spread in the both areas to Africa and Asia , surely the first E migration into the whole SS-Africa was E1b1a , over A and B hg indigenous. The fact is that E3b-carriers cluster mostly with Eurasians (Balkans ,North Africa, Middle-East , Horn).
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Hey, those aren't my words. It doesn't make any sense to me either. I don't think he's a troll, I think we should just leave him be.
But you should understand that even if E originated outside of Africa, it could still have been spread by males who are genetically no different to African males. That's the way haplogroups work.
Bantu's expansion was made into West , South and Cental Africa , many ethnicites in Africa still carry A and B haplogroups , while others (mostly Bantus) carry E1b1a , DE was detected as far as Tibet , and actually , D is common among ethnicities such as Japanese (including Ainus). E1b1b is found at very low frequencies in SS-A. This haplogroups is found in Horn , North Africa , Middle-East and Europe. Finally , I'd add you that E comes from DE which comes from CT and this CT haplogroup is commonly known as the ancestor of all haplogroups found outside Africa , including DE , and to name the two others : F and C.

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You're wrong, Qart Hadash. It doesn't matter where E* originated, E1b1a and E1b1b are believed to have originated in Sub-Saharan Africa. An anthropologist named Mathida , argued that E3b and J1 developped in an area from Northeast Egypt/Nubia to Levant , and then spread into North Africa (Neolothic migrations) , Europe (into Balkans) , Arabia (North-to-South migrations) and East-Africa (South migrations). Just look at where J1 appears to be high (Yemen) , it actually shows how much E3b/J1 spread themselves and how they spread archaic Afro-Asiatic languages.

[Lol_Race]

Bantu's expansion was made into West , South and Cental Africa , many ethnicites in Africa still carry A and B haplogroups , while others (mostly Bantus) carry E1b1a , DE was detected as far as Tibet , and actually , D is common among ethnicities such as Japanese (including Ainus). Right.
E1b1b is found at very low frequencies in SS-A. This haplogroups is found in Horn , North Africa , Middle-East and Europe. Contradictory.
Finally , I'd add you that E comes from DE which comes from CT and this CT haplogroup is commonly known as the ancestor of all haplogroups found outside Africa , including DE , and to name the two others : F and C.Okay.



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An anthropologist named Mathida , argued that E3b and J1 developped in an area from Northeast Egypt/Nubia to Levant , and then spread into North Africa (Neolothic migrations) , Europe (into Balkans) , Arabia (North-to-South migrations) and East-Africa (South migrations). Just look at where J1 appears to be high (Yemen) , it actually shows how much E3b/J1 spread themselves and how they spread archaic Afro-Asiatic languages.
"An anthropologist named Mathilda"? Who is this person?

E-M78 could have originated in Upper Egypt/Nubia, that is correct. E-M35, however (E1b1b*), is the most diverse in East Africa and is the haplogroup which is associated with the spread of Afro-Asiatic languages. Some subclades of this haplogroup are found in Eastern Africa south of the Horn of Africa, in Afro-Asiatic speaking populations without a trace of J.

[Qart Hadash]

E-M78 could have originated in Upper Egypt/Nubia, that is correct. E-M35, however (E1b1b*), is the most diverse in East Africa and is the haplogroup which is associated with the spread of Afro-Asiatic languages. Some subclades of this haplogroup are found in Eastern Africa south of the Horn of Africa, in Afro-Asiatic speaking populations without a trace of J.
Well actually Northeast Africa includes Egypt and Nubia. Most of Afro-Asiatic speaking populations do carry a J1 lineage like North Horners do. Egyptians also do. Northwest Africans do. Even isolated Guanches showed 16% of J1. Yemenis are the ones who carry its at the highest rate. Even recently , they found , surprisingly , R1b at high level among Chadic-speakers.About this E-M35 , it was only found among two Amhras and 1 Yemeni.

Contradictory.
It depends of each views , that region is surrended by Sahara.

[Lol_Race]

Well actually Northeast Africa includes Egypt and Nubia. Northeast Africa is sometimes used as a synonym for the Horn of Africa, and sometimes includes Egypt and Nubia. That area (northern Sudan, Upper Egypt) is where E-M78 is the most diverse, but that subclade's ancestor (E-M35, i.e. E1b1b*) is the most diverse in East Africa, not in Egypt or Nubia.

Most of Afro-Asiatic speaking populations do carry a J1 lineage like North Horners do. Egyptians also do. Northwest Africans do. Even isolated Guanches showed 16% of J1. Yemenis are the ones who carry its at the highest rate.
North Horners? Southern Ethiopians have small amounts of J as well. My point was that subclades of E-M35 are present in Afro-Asiatic populations in East Africa south of the Horn of Africa. J is not, which means that the only thing that Afro-Asiatic populations have in common in terms of Y-DNA, is E3b. Not J.


It depends of each views , that region is surrended by Sahara.
Huh?

[Qart Hadash]

Northeast Africa is sometimes used as a synonym for the Horn of Africa, and sometimes includes Egypt and Nubia. That area (northern Sudan, Upper Egypt) is where E-M78 is the most diverse, but that subclade's ancestor (E-M35, i.e. E1b1b*) is the most diverse in East Africa, not in Egypt or Nubia. Egypt is North Africa and Somalia/Ethiopia are "Horn Africa".
However Northeast Africa is : Horn+Egypt+Nubia , as opposite to Southeast Africa (Tanzania and so on).



North Horners? Southern Ethiopians have small amounts of J as well. My point was that subclades of E-M35 are present in Afro-Asiatic populations in East Africa south of the Horn of Africa. J is not, which means that the only thing that Afro-Asiatic populations have in common in terms of Y-DNA, is E3b. Not J. J1 can be found at varying amounts in Northeast Africa. I looked up , Amharas are almost 30% of it , Cushitic Bejas showed also +30%. then J1 increases among Semitic-speakers of Southwest Asia and is common among North Africans as well. Adding to that the fact that we found high amounts of R1b among Chadic-Speakers , I follow the point of Mathilda , which is that archaic Afro-Asiatic language developped somewhere in Northeast Egypt and was also present along Levant coasts (where there E3b reach Balkans) which can explain the Eurasian ancestry on Autosomal DNA as well as J1 and R1b amounts of its speakers , similarities of cultures/contacts with other Eurasian languages. Desertification was perhaps the reason why of the migration of populations.

[Sir Greendown]

You're wrong, Qart Hadash. It doesn't matter where E* originated, E1b1a and E1b1b are believed to have originated in Sub-Saharan Africa.

E1b1a and E1b1b are brothers, and the children of Pn2. Africa unite!

[beyoku]

Comletely untrue. Horners are mixed , so when they mix with Eurasians , the level of Eurasian ancestry increases and they tend to look more North African/Middle-East than do pure Horners.

And this is EXACTLY what North Africans are. :evilgrin:

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E1b1a and E1b1b are brothers, and the children of Pn2. Africa unite!

Africa dont unite. I dont want to unite with those crazy Somali islamists

[Sir Greendown]

Modern North Africans are heavily admixed with Negroid. Brakez et al. (2001) found 26% Negroid maternal lineages in a Moroccan population, with the influence matching a "south-north cline of sub-Saharan influence in North Africa". This result is in accord with, Rando et al. (1998)

The Negroid paternal contribution in North Africa is smaller: one study (Rosser et al. 2000) determined 4% or 5% of North African Y-chromosomes belong to sub-Saharan haplogroup 8. Bosch et al. (2001) found on average 8% of coastal northwest African Y-chromosomes were sub-Saharan. Interestingly, the frequency of sub-Saharan Y-chromosomes was 13% in north-central Moroccan Berbers, compared to only 2.5% in southern Moroccan Berbers, reversing the trend seen in mtDNA. Whether this backwards cline of paternal sub-Saharan ancestry is statistically meaningful, I do not know. Regardless, with the very high levels of sub-Saharan mtDNA in Tuareg and Saharans, the overall south-north trend of declining Negroid influence should hold.

So we would expect a Negroid contribution of 5-20% of total genes in coastal North Africans (and more in Saharans and Tuaregs). There is no doubt considerable variation between different groups in north Africa, and sampling difficulties must be taken into account. Different groups and regions in North Africa will have different genetic histories, but what is clear is that Negroid admixture is present throughout North Africa at much higher levels than in Europe (though, interestingly, the Portuguese sample in Rando showed as much admixture as the Moroccan Berber sample). Also, note that although North Africans are primarily Caucasoid, "genetic drift due to small population size in conditions of population isolation may" have played a significant role in the evolutionary history of North Africans (Dios et al. 2001). At least one component of the North African population has been present in North Africa since the Paleolithic (as indicated by mtDNA haplogroup U6). Even without sub-Saharan admixture, North Africans would still be distinct from Europeans.

Don't feed the mutts...

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Africa dont unite. I dont want to unite with those crazy Somali islamists

You're not African anyway, so it don't matter what you wanna do.

[pinguin]

As everyone knows, there are no "pure" people on the planet, but why do European and Caucasoid-centric posters pretend and or put out the notion that Europeans/Eurasians are genetic breeding isolates with the least amount of mixture when every genetic study refutes this very notion? How can these same idiots argue that Horners are mulattoes but argue North Africans are not and or less mixed that Horners?

You have an obsession with mulatto people. Come on, people like Peter Ustinov were descendents of mulattoes and gave it a damn. :whoco:

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Two Africas: The Afroasiatic and the rest: Niger-Congo et al. What is easier to understand than that. Genetic amateur discussions are just BS

http://www.south-africa-tours-and-travel.com/images/african-language-families-bantu.jpg

It is so funny when Niger-Congorians want to get for themselves the merits of Afroasiatics.

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You're not African anyway, so it don't matter what you wanna do.

I am more African than you will ever be, with your 100 fake accounts pretending to be someone else everytime you come on, why not stick to one identity,

[Lol_Race]

About this E-M35 , it was only found among two Amhras and 1 Yemeni.
I just saw this now. Those two Amharas and the Yemeni carry E-M215*, the ancestor of E-M35. It is not the same thing as E-M35, which once again, is the most diverse in East Africa, more specifically around Ethiopia.

Egypt is North Africa and Somali/Ethiopia are "Horn Africa".
However Northeast Africa is : Horn+Egypt+Nubia , as opposite to Southeast Africa (Tanzania and so on).These geographic labels are ambiguous. Let me make myself clear. E-M78 is the most diverse in Upper Egypt and the northern Sudan, and E-M35 is the most diverse in East Africa.

J1 can be found at varying amounts in Northeast Africa. Amharas are almost 30% of it , Bejas showed also +30%. then J1 inceases among Semitic-speakers of Southwest Asia and is common among Northwest Africans as well.The frequency of different haplogroups doesn't matter, it's strongly affected by genetic drift.

Adding to that the fact that we found high amounts of R1b among Chadic-Speakers , I follow the point of Mathilda , which is that archaic Afro-Asiatic language developped somwhere in Northeast Egypt/Nubia and was also present along Levant coasts (where there E3b reach Balkans) which can explain the Eurasian ancestry on Autosomal DNA as well as J1 and R1b amounts of its speakers , similarities of cultures/etymologies with Eurasian languages.
What area is "Northeast Egypt/Nubia"? Do you mean Upper Egypt/Nubia? Upper Egypt is southern Egypt, not northern Egypt. So you believe that the Chadic speakers got R1b and the Horners got E3b and J from these mysterious archaic Afro-Asiatics? And the south Cushitic speakers outside of the Horn of Africa only received E3b?

It's difficult to take you seriously in this discussion when you keep dismissing any explanations that don't fit your desire, and instead cling on to these far-fetched explanations. E3b is spread as far south as South Africa. People switch languages very easily. It doesn't change who you are.

[The_Majerten]

I am more African than you will ever be

Do you speak any African language? ;)

[Sir Greendown]

You have an obsession with mulatto people. Come on, people like Peter Ustinov were descendents of mulattoes and gave it a damn. :whoco:

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Two Africas: The Afroasiatic and the rest: Niger-Congo et al. What is easier to understand than that. Genetic amateur discussions are just BS

http://www.south-africa-tours-and-travel.com/images/african-language-families-bantu.jpg

It is so funny when Niger-Congorians want to get for themselves the merits of Afroasiatics.


Less than 10,000 years ago, the Saharan region was much wetter, with populations from both north and south of the Sahara coexisting (Dutour et al. 1988). It was at this time that there could have been a period of relative genetic exchange, which would be seen in the profile of the present-day Moroccan population, as shown by the previously mentioned multivariate analyses.

Educate yourself...

The ancestors of west Africans were in North Africa when west Africa was a wet land, when the wet lands dried out, they moved to west Africa, and populated the modern population. Speak on what you know.

matter of fact...

What is now described as Negroid was not even found to be something that adapted in Sub-Saharan Africa, Negroids were formed in North Africa!


The earliest remains of ‘Negroids’ are found in Sudan on the Egyptian Sudanese border at Jebel Sahaba and Tushka. Tushka dates back to 14, 500 B.P.[plus or minus 490 years] and Sahaba is datd back to 13,700 B.P.8plus or minus 300 years]. Both are associated with Qadan blade industry.

Source: Terminal Pleistocene and early Holocene populations of Northern Africa
Colin P. Groves and Alan Thorne.

Egg on your face again!

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Do you speak any African languages? ;)

Yes and you?

[The_Majerten]

Yes and you?

Really, which ones?

For me Somali and basic Swahili :D

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Really, which ones?

For me Somali and basic Swahili :D

For me basic Igbo and basic Kriolu

[Qart Hadash]

[QUOTE=Sir Greendown;99365] Brakez et al. (2001) found 26% Negroid maternal lineages in a Moroccan population, with the influence matching a "south-north cline of sub-Saharan influence in North Africa". This result is in accord with, Rando et al. (1998)

The Negroid paternal contribution in North Africa is smaller: one study (Rosser et al. 2000) determined 4% or 5% of North African Y-chromosomes belong to sub-Saharan haplogroup 8. Bosch et al. (2001) found on average 8% of coastal northwest African Y-chromosomes were sub-Saharan. Interestingly, the frequency of sub-Saharan Y-chromosomes was 13% in north-central Moroccan Berbers, compared to only 2.5% in southern Moroccan Berbers, reversing the trend seen in mtDNA. Whether this backwards cline of paternal sub-Saharan ancestry is statistically meaningful, I do not know. Regardless, with the very high levels of sub-Saharan mtDNA in Tuareg and Saharans, the overall south-north trend of declining Negroid influence should hold.

So we would expect a Negroid contribution of 5-20% of total genes in coastal North Africans (and more in Saharans and Tuaregs). There is no doubt considerable variation between different groups in north Africa, and sampling difficulties must be taken into account. Different groups and regions in North Africa will have different genetic histories, but what is clear is that Negroid admixture is present throughout North Africa at much higher levels than in Europe (though, interestingly, the Portuguese sample in Rando showed as much admixture as the Moroccan Berber sample). Also, note that although North Africans are primarily Caucasoid, "genetic drift due to small population size in conditions of population isolation may" have played a significant role in the evolutionary history of North Africans (Dios et al. 2001). At least one component of the North African population has been present in North Africa since the Paleolithic (as indicated by mtDNA haplogroup U6). Even without sub-Saharan admixture, North Africans would still be distinct from Europeans.

Don't feed the mutts...[COLOR="Silver"]

It depends of the ethnic groups you are talking about and the diversity of the study.
I know exactly the DNA make up of north Algeria and it said less than 5% of Negroid admixture (both Y-DNA and MtDNA). Then about Morocco , I just assume it depends of the regions , Riffians will show the same as northern Algerians , while Southern groups would be different. Same goes for regions of Lybia/Egypt. however , North Africa is overall primordially Eurasian , with a minor Negroid admixture , varying , more when you go southerner (N.Africa is a region larger than U.S.A or between Levant and Arabia).

Adding to that , Northern parts are the most peopled of the region.

Otherwise , who argued that N.Africa was like Europe?
Honestly it looks more like Middle-East than anything else and Northern Africans would surely cluster more with Middle/Easterners and Iberians than with other Europeans.

Interresting that you add "North Africans are heavily mixed with Negroid".
When the study didn't say such thing and neither do Autosomal DNA.

[The_Majerten]

For me basic Igbo and basic Kriolu

Ok, nice, I thought you were one of those westernized Nigerians who only speak English....(with a funny accent though)

[pinguin]

Educate yourself...

The ancestors of west Africans were in North Africa when west Africa was a wet land, when the wet lands dried out, they moved to west Africa, and populated the modern population. Speak on what you know.
!

That was at the time of the Noah ark :whoco:. What's next? Remembering me than Neanderthals lived in Spain 10.000 years ago?



matter of fact...

What is now described as Negroid was not even found to be something hat adaated in Sub-saharan Africa, Negroids were formed in North Africa!
!

Show me a proof that Negroids were formed in North Africa and I will believe you. Now, if so, at what time was it? At the third day of the creation, I guess:whoco:

Fellow, every educated person knows Man went out of Africa several times. First Homo Erectus, then Homo Neanderthalis, and then Homo Sapies. So, it is nothing new that people moves. Also, everybody knows modern man appeared in modern Kenya and is genetically closer to moder Bushmen than to anyone else.

Everybody knows that modern populations of Northern Africa are slightly hybrid, too, but the main founding group was a proto-Caucasoid groups comming from the Middle East.

Now, the terms Afroasiatic and Nigercongo are linguistic, and reffer to linguistic groups rather than races. Those make two completely different groups in Africa, and believing they are the same is balooney.

[Sir Greendown]

That was at the time of the Noah ark :whoco:. What's next? Remembering me than Neanderthals lived in Spain 10.000 years ago?



Show me a proof that Negroids were formed in North Africa and I will believe you. Now, if so, at what time was it? At the third day of the creation, I guess:whoco:





The earliest remains of ‘Negroids’ are found in Sudan on the Egyptian Sudanese border at Jebel Sahaba and Tushka. Tushka dates back to 14, 500 B.P.[plus or minus 490 years] and Sahaba is datd back to 13,700 B.P.8plus or minus 300 years]. Both are associated with Qadan blade industry.

Terminal Pleistocene and early Holocene populations of Northern Africa
Colin P. Groves and Alan Thorne.

I deal with facts, not perception. :evilgrin:

[Qart Hadash]

Everybody knows that modern populations of Northern Africa are slightly hybrid, too, but the main founding group was a proto-Caucasoid groups comming from the Middle East.
& Most North Africans are still , arguing by the fact that northern Algerians , which are , the best representation of North African settlements, are overall 90,....% of Eurasian MTDNA.

[ethioboy]

Then All Caucasians are half Somali , I assume that's why Afro-centrists said Vikings were Black? Seriously . I remember you are Hamassen , when you told me you were genetically mostly Eurasian with Black admixture.

:lol: I was being sarcastic lol ofcourse you arent half somali.. but all eurasians descend from ancient africans who were from north east africa so in that respect you are descendant of north east africans....

Also yes I am hamasen1 from anthroforum If you want to see my 23andme thread I will show it to you.

[Sir Greendown]

Honestly it looks more like Middle-East than anything else and Northern Africans would surely cluster more with Middle/Easterners and Iberians than with other Europeans.

These are people who are mixed anyway...


Once upon a time a father by the name of "PN2," had two children whom were males by the name of E1b1a and E1b1b; E1b1a went North and stayed a while, then went West and gave birth to a bunch of children called west Africans, these children would later give birth to some great-grand-children called Bantus. However, E1b1a had a brother named E1b1b, E1b1b gave birth to some children who would later populate east Africa, some of these children would become of age and later leave there home of Africa and populate the rest of the world.

So to those who ask are East Africans mixed? Why are they intermediate between other Africans and Caucasoids? Answer this, is your father related more to you or his brother? :p

[ethioboy]

Ironically photos like that make people think Horners are heavily mixed.

It really doesnt mean that... since craniofacial influencing SNPs are similar in most horners and western eurasians... the only other markers that need to be affected are pigmentation genes... thats why its easy to make european looking or western eurasian looking half horner half european mixes..

[Qart Hadash]

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These geographic labels are ambiguous. Let me make myself clear. E-M78 is the most diverse in Upper Egypt and the northern Sudan, and E-M35 is the most diverse in East Africa. It doesnt show any geographic position overall billion of years before , especially because of desertification , Yemenis have the highest amount of J1 but this haplogroup likely came from somewhere in south Levant into there.



The frequency of different haplogroups doesn't matter, it's strongly affected by genetic drift. What? I just noticed Bejas , which are a Cushitic have 30% of J1 , it sows again that J1 is , even if you don't like that , related to Afro-Asiatic languages.



What area is "Northeast Egypt/Nubia"? Do you mean Upper Egypt/Nubia? Upper Egypt is southern Egypt, not northern Egypt. So you believe that the Chadic speakers got R1b and the Horners got E3b and J from these mysterious archaic Afro-Asiatics?
Northeast Egypt would be the long coast lines from Egypt to South Egypt (Nubia) of the Red Sea just near Southwest Asia and with a population growing which spread into East-Africa and Levant and North Africa.

The amounts of R1b among Chadic speakers show a close geographic position of Archaic Proto-Afro-Asiatic with Eurasia , and it is again showed by also the J1 presence among its moden speakers.


And the south Cushitic speakers outside of the Horn of Africa only received E3b?
What do you mean? it is called "spread of populations" as much as Mauritania was gradually settled by Arabic/Berber-speaking nomadic tribes.


It's difficult to take you seriously in this discussion when you keep dismissing any explanations that don't fit your desire, and instead cling on to these far-fetched explanations. E3b is spread as far south as South Africa. People switch languages very easily. It doesn't change who you are.It is also difficult to take you and G-T seriously on this page. E3b was found as far as England and surely in a same % as it was found in South Africa. Albania have more E3b than Senegal and South Africa united.

[pinguin]

Educate yourself...


Are you using 1988 references? :whoco:

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These are people who are mixed anyway...

Once upon a time a father by the name of "PN2," had two children whom were males by the name of E1b1a and E1b1b; E1b1a went North and stayed a while, then went West and gave birth to a bunch of children called west Africans, these children would later give birth to some great-grand-children called Bantus. However, E1b1a had a brother named E1b1b, E1b1b gave birth to some children who would later populate east Africa, some of these children would become of age and later leave there home of Africa and populate the rest of the world.

So to those who ask are East Africans mixed? Why are they intermediate between other Africans and Caucasoids? Answer this, is your father related more to you or his brother? :p

See the diagram of genetical distances. It corroborates what you said. So what? You still are thinking in the times of Noah :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Neighbor-joining_Tree.svg/350px-Neighbor-joining_Tree.svg.png

[Qart Hadash]

:lol: I was being sarcastic lol ofcourse you arent half somali.. but all eurasians descend from ancient africans who were from north east africa so in that respect you are descendant of north east africans....
Also yes I am hamasen1 from anthroforum If you want to see my 23andme thread I will show it to you.
I respect everybody as humans ; )!
I'd like to see your 23andme test !!

[ethioboy]

I respect everybody as humans ; )!
I'd like to see your 23andme test !!

Good just like any other person should as well :D humanity is first.

also here is my result page

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=100

[Game Theory]

I respect everybody as humans ; )!
I'd like to see your 23andme test !!

The fact remains, North Africans are the most genetically mixed African population, they are not pure.

[Zupan]

Game Theory wants to be white so bad!

Just look he's in the church of christ, made by caucasoids for caucasoids! Man boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy you trippin!

[Game Theory]

Game Theory wants to be white so bad!

Just look he's in the church of christ, made by caucasoids for caucasoids! Man boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy you trippin!


the Church was founded by Christ, not white people. No more red herrings.

[Sir Greendown]

the Church was founded by Christ, not white people. No more red herrings.

And the concepts in Christianity comes from the Kemetians deities, African all around.

[The_Majerten]

Game Theory wants to be white so bad!

Just look he's in the church of christ, made by caucasoids for caucasoids! Man boyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy you trippin!

I'm glad you admit your religion is something man-made :p

[Zupan]

I'm glad you admit your religion is something man-made :p

Jesus is God in a shape appealing to humans so that he could spread forth (spelling? :whoco: ) the righteous teachings. Of course he did this with love and compassion unlike MuhaaAAAAAMMAD who killed everyone who didn't listen.

[The_Majerten]

Jesus is God in a shape appealing to humans so that he could spread forth (spelling? :whoco: ) the righteous teachings. Of course he did this with love and compassion unlike MuhaaAAAAAMMAD who killed everyone who didn't listen.

Bloody hypocrite :whoco:

..You just admitted your religion was devised by lunatic Crackazoids for Crackazoids

[Zupan]

Bloody hypocrite :whoco:

..You just admitted your religion was devised by lunatic Crackazoids for Crackazoids

Just explained why he was a caucasoid.

[Vorador]

Bloody hypocrite :whoco:

..You just admitted your religion was devised by lunatic Crackazoids for CrackazoidsHey, Muhammad and the other Qurayshi were no less Crackazoid than Jesus, Paul and company :)

Not to mention that the so called "Church of Christ" doesn't exactly equal Christianity :)

[Zupan]

Not to mention that the so called "Church of Christ" doesn't exactly equal Christianity

yeah a bunch of white weirdos rallying with their slavs or something..

[Vorador]

yeah a bunch of white weirdos rallying with their slavs or something..But what is Game Theory's role in all that?

[Zupan]

But what is Game Theory's role in all that?

Dunno mr somaliPhoenician brought up that.. I said that game just wants to be white :d

[The_Majerten]

Hey, Muhammad and the other Qurayshi were no less Crackazoid than Jesus, Paul and company :)

Not to mention that the so called "Church of Christ" doesn't exactly equal Christianity :)

I don't want to turn this into a religion-bash-thread but one point I have:

The average Saudi, especially from the south west looks half African. They aren't as Crackazoid as North Semites are ;)

[Zupan]

I don't want to turn this into a religion-bash-thread but one point I have:

The average Saudi, especially from the south west looks half African. They aren't as Crackazoid as North Semites are ;)

That's just your own somaliPhoenician views..

[The_Majerten]

That's just your own somaliPhoenician views..

Arabians = Mixed race between Horners and Big nosed Armenoid-like Semites

http://delhi4cats.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/saudi-men.jpg

I would say about 50/50

[Zupan]

Looks dravidian / semitic.

[Vorador]

Arabians = Mixed race between Horners and Big nosed Armenoid-like Semites

http://delhi4cats.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/saudi-men.jpg

I would say about 50/50

Muhammad was white:



Narrated Rabia bin Abi Abdur-Rahman: I heard Anas bin Malik describing the Prophet saying, “He was of medium height amongst the people, neither tall nor short; he had a rosy color, neither absolutely white nor deep brown; his hair was neither completely curly nor quite lank. Divine Inspiration was revealed to him when he was forty years old. He stayed ten years in Mecca receiving the Divine Inspiration, and stayed in Medina for ten more years. When he expired, he had scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard.” Rabi’a said, “I saw some of his hairs and it was red. When I asked about that, I was told that it turned red because of scent. ” (Book #56, Hadith #747)

[The_Majerten]

Vorador,

Nobody knows how he looked like, as depicting him was strictly forbidden. That just sounds completely vague, there are no detailed accounts of how he looked like.

Zupan,

That's your average Saudi and they clearly look close to 50% African.

Dravidian to you is just dark skin with straight hair, no they don't look Australoid. :lol:
Many pure Horners actually have straight hair.

[Vorador]

Vorador,

Nobody knows how he looked like, as depicting him was strictly forbidden. That just sounds completely vague, there are no detailed accounts of how he looked like.

Zupan,

That's your average Saudi and they clearly look close to 50% African.

Dravidian to you is just dark skin with straight hair, no they don't look Australoid. :lol:
Many pure Horners actually have straight hair.Those Saudis have held black slaves and intermixed with them, so their looks are not surprising. The prophet, however, was not Saudi, but was from Hijaz, which become a part of the Najd empire only recently. He must have looked like his modern Jordanian Hashemite relatives.

[Chi Ngo]

Those Saudis have held black slaves and intermixed with them, so their looks are not surprising. The prophet, however, was not Saudi, but was from Hijaz, which become a part of the Najd empire only recently. He must have looked like his modern Jordanian Hashemite relatives.


The Hashmites are mixed with European and American blood. To me he looks typical Arabian.

Here is the patriarch of the Hasmites

http://i47.tinypic.com/2akh6jo.jpg

The Suadi royal family they look similar to many Saudi Arabs not different at all , they have also mixed to degree. This before they mixed however.

http://i45.tinypic.com/33ldmyd.jpg

Its seems Middle Eastern royal families often mix with other peoples.

Arabians look to be Caucasians mostly with minor influence from Africa, and some have none at all.

Eurocentrism is just as stupid as Afrocentrism.

[Maxim]

As everyone knows, there are no "pure" people on the planet, but why do European and Caucasoid-centric posters pretend and or put out the notion that Europeans/Eurasians are genetic breeding isolates with the least amount of mixture when every genetic study refutes this very notion? How can these same idiots argue that Horners are mulattoes but argue North Africans are not and or less mixed that Horners?

Because they're trying to justify the fact that their ancestors fucked their own sisters who in turn brought degenerates to this world, namely parents of those obsessed with purity, as simple as that...

[EliasAlucard]

As everyone knows, there are no "pure" people on the planet, but why do European and Caucasoid-centric posters pretend and or put out the notion that Europeans/Eurasians are genetic breeding isolates with the least amount of mixture when every genetic study refutes this very notion? How can these same idiots argue that Horners are mulattoes but argue North Africans are not and or less mixed that Horners?Personally, I think the Fascist ideologue said it bes:


“Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.” — Benito Mussolini, 1933

I don't believe there's such a thing as pure races, because all races are amalgams of various lineages. However, at some point they became homogeneous (more or less). And that's what we're talking about when we say purity.

As for North Africans, I've pointed out for a long time that some of them do have recent Negroid admixture. As do some Arab tribes. Not all Arabs, of course, and certainly not all Berbers either. Somalis are different though.


DE and its descendants are found in Africa and Asia.
DE comes from CT , which is the marker that represents the migration of Humans outside of Africa and actually CR gave birth to C haplogroup , F haplogroup ( all its descandants) and DE. ( whereas A and B hg staid in Africa). E1b1b re-entered Africa by Eurasian migrations (caracterized also by a J1 lineage and Eurasian MTDNA such as M1 and such others).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yhaplotree.JPGI've been pointing out to Game Theory the DE Eurasian connection for a long time, but his Negrocentric brain couldn't grasp it. Keep also in mind that Mongoloids carry both Y-DNA C and D. It's very likely, in my opinion, that Y-DNA E was spread to Africa from Eurasians and at some point those Eurasian E1 dudes had so many sub-Saharan women to mate with that it nowadays appears like Y-DNA E is a Negroid marker because of its frequency in Negro dudes.

Nonetheless, kudos to you for pointing out the Eurasian CT connection. It's not likely that C and D made it out of Africa all the way to China from a bunch of Bantu dudes.

[Game Theory]

Personally, I think the Fascist ideologue said it bes:


“Nothing will ever make me believe that biologically pure races can be shown to exist today.” — Benito Mussolini, 1933

I don't believe there's such a thing as pure races, because all races are amalgams of various lineages. However, at some point they became homogeneous (more or less). And that's what we're talking about when we say purity.

As for North Africans, I've pointed out for a long time that some of them do have recent Negroid admixture. As do some Arab tribes. Not all Arabs, of course, and certainly not all Berbers either. Somalis are different though.

I've been pointing out to Game Theory the DE Eurasian connection for a long time, but his Negrocentric brain couldn't grasp it. Keep also in mind that Mongoloids carry both Y-DNA C and D. It's very likely, in my opinion, that Y-DNA E was spread to Africa from Eurasians and at some point those Eurasian E1 dudes had so many sub-Saharan women to mate with that it nowadays appears like Y-DNA E is a Negroid marker because of its frequency in Negro dudes.

Nonetheless, kudos to you for pointing out the Eurasian CT connection. It's not likely that C and D made it out of Africa all the way to China from a bunch of Bantu dudes.

CT-M168 is *NOT* Eurasian you idiot, go on ahead and follow that troll, in your opinion Bantus and West Africans evolved in Eurasia and migrated into Africa, way too go poindexter, lets see the evidence, post evidence that the precousror to E3a and E3b is Eurasian and please post evidence that the so called Eurasian precursor sat down and had a conference and decided to be Bantu and the other decided to be Nilo-Saharan and Afro-Asiatic speakers

[Robin Goodfellow]

Listen troll, North Africans are the most mixed Africans with the possible exception of Cape Mixed people who are just a small population within South Africa, don't let the Game have to keep pulling your skirt up exposing you.

uHh so........um.....ok then you inadvertantly believe in pureness too.

[Game Theory]

uHh so........um.....ok then you inadvertantly believe in pureness too.

Thats not what I said, everyone is mixed more or less, but North Africans have the most heterogeneous ancestry of all Africans mostly due to its location, grouping them under some "Caucasoid" label masks the fact that this region has received geneflow from multiple sources, more so than Africans of the interior who have been little affected by extra-African geneflow, but have high levels of intra-African geneflow.

[KRANG]

Thats not what I said, everyone is mixed more or less, but North Africans have the most heterogeneous ancestry of all Africans mostly due to its location, grouping them under some "Caucasoid" label masks the fact that this region has received geneflow from multiple sources, more so than Africans of the interior who have been little affected by extra-African geneflow, but have high levels of intra-African geneflow.

Your a complete idiot, but your black so i expect you to be one.:lol:

North africans are predominantly caucasoid of west eurasian origion, some do have between 5-10% recent negroid admixture, and no one is denying it.

Seriously whats so hard to understand?

By the way horners are the most diversed in the world.

[Game Theory]

In order to black one must be pure black, but in order to be "Caucasoid" one need not be "pure" Caucasoid for the pure of keeping all the world#s greatest civilizations "Caucasoid" and to promote the lie that blacks never had a civilization.

[elone]

As everyone knows, there are no "pure" people on the planet, but why do European and Caucasoid-centric posters

you answered you're own question.

[Esekon Kimatt]

In order to black one must be pure black, but in order to be "Caucasoid" one need not be "pure" Caucasoid for the pure of keeping all the world#s greatest civilizations "Caucasoid" and to promote the lie that blacks never had a civilization.

Purify a race you need to start fucking your cousins and relatives...Blue blood stuff
Its why those Western europeans have alot of genetic deformities, which has harmed their population in some way or another. Britain, Germany and Austria.

[Idriz]

Its why those Western europeans have alot of genetic deformities, which has harmed their population in some way or another. Britain, Germany and Austria.
You're not going to stop are you? :lol: Post a genetic study which proves that Germans are inbred, please.

[Esekon Kimatt]

You're not going to stop are you? :lol: Post a genetic study which proves that Germans are inbred, please.

Jews and Germanic peoples control the world media :lol: Why would they post a genetic study against their notion of racial purity :whoco:

Thats like if Black people controlled the world, and the vast majority commited crimes, but you never hear about nor do you find any statistics, doesn't mean it ain't there Nigguh ;)

I'm still standing...incestous rapist :lol:
Funny thing, Whites go on about Blacks raping people, and yet western Europeans have raped everyone across the world (India, Americas, Africa, Austrialia, other europeans, Southeast Asia, and Pacific islands)....WTF your people have raped far more than any black rapist dreamed to rape :lol:

[Red1]

It's not only the ''Caucasoid''/Euro posters but also certain horn-africans like Somalis, lol

[YeahISaidIt]

Jews and Germanic peoples control the world media :lol: Why would they post a genetic study against their notion of racial purity :whoco:

Thats like if Black people controlled the world, and the vast majority commited crimes, but you never hear about nor do you find any statistics, doesn't mean it ain't there Nigguh ;)

I'm still standing...incestous rapist :lol:
Funny thing, Whites go on about Blacks raping people, and yet western Europeans have raped everyone across the world (India, Americas, Africa, Austrialia, other europeans, Southeast Asia, and Pacific islands)....WTF your people have raped far more than any black rapist dreamed to rape :lol:

They also like claim all blacks are thieves when WHITES STOLE most of the woelds resources driving the planet to hell.

[Esekon Kimatt]

They also like claim all blacks are thieves when WHITES STOLE most of the woelds resources driving the planet to hell.

First time you're not attacking me, Neutrality :thumbsup:
We all know Western Europeans (Don't say white. Don't generalize all of Europe) raped all resources from distance lands across the Globe.

[Game Theory]

despite all efforts, women of all European countries have willingly made babies with non-whites, purity never existed.

[DragonRouge]

Jews and Germanic peoples control the world media

More like Jews and Anglos. I don't see many other Germanics in the media. In fact, I more often see other Germanic groups slandered by the Jewish/Anglo-Saxon media.

[Idriz]

Jews and Germanic peoples control the world media :lol: Why would they post a genetic study against their notion of racial purity :whoco:

Thats like if Black people controlled the world, and the vast majority commited crimes, but you never hear about nor do you find any statistics, doesn't mean it ain't there Nigguh ;)

I'm still standing...incestous rapist :lol:
Funny thing, Whites go on about Blacks raping people, and yet western Europeans have raped everyone across the world (India, Americas, Africa, Austrialia, other europeans, Southeast Asia, and Pacific islands)....WTF your people have raped far more than any black rapist dreamed to rape :lol:
The average stupid BS from your mouth I see. But who cares, you'll get banned sooner or later.

They also like claim all blacks are thieves when WHITES STOLE most of the woelds resources driving the planet to hell.
I'm Swedish. What natural resources did my people steal from your ancestors? By the way, you seem to be have no problem with Iranians, even though they supposedly took your parents ancestors as slaves (even though they didn't, because you're Afram). How come?

First time you're not attacking me, Neutrality :thumbsup:
We all know Western Europeans (Don't say white. Don't generalize all of Europe) raped all resources from distance lands across the Globe.
Which Swedes did that? Tell me.

[Esekon Kimatt]

More like Jews and Anglos. I don't see many other Germanics in the media. In fact, I more often see other Germanic groups slandered by the Jewish/Anglo-Saxon media.

Anglo's are part of the Germanic race. alot of Germans after WW2 migrated to America for a better life and they easily blended in with the Wasp community.

[DragonRouge]

Which Swedes did that? Tell me.

Swedes are Nordid so by default evil and racist. When Nordids breathe, they are stealing air from all the other noble races of the world.

That's what I learned in English-language school.

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Anglo's are part of the Germanic race. alot of Germans after WW2 migrated to America for a better life and they easily blended in with the Wasp community.

Yes they are, but they are not an asset to the Germanic race and they slander other Germanics. In reality, as bad as the Holocaust was, it's exaggeration by the Anglo/Jewish media is unwarranted because what the Germans did is nothing compared to what Anglos did (and continue to do) to the peoples of the world, including Germans themselves.

[Esekon Kimatt]

The average stupid BS from your mouth I see. But who cares, you'll get banned sooner or later.

I'm Swedish. What natural resources did my people steal from your ancestors? By the way, you seem to be have no problem with Iranians, even though they supposedly took your parents ancestors as slaves (even though they didn't, because you're Afram). How come?

Which Swedes did that? Tell me.

I said Western Europeans not Northwest. I have nothing against Swedish or any other people's from northern Europe just idiotic Germanic people with racial stupidity. I should make it more clear, i'm generally talking about Germans, Anglos, Danish, Dutch, Austrians and Hungarians. If you're not in that list then you're alright ;)


Yes they are, but they are not an asset to the Germanic race and they slander other Germanics. In reality, as bad as the Holocaust was, it's exaggeration by the Anglo/Jewish media is unwarranted because what the Germans did is nothing compared to what Anglos did (and continue to do) to the peoples of the world, including Germans themselves.

Of course its overexaggerated by Jewish media, and 9/11 is another example. 9/11 was a horrible event that should not be forgotten but sometimes you must forgive and forget or you'll carry that burden till the world ends :(
I know Germanic batter one another for political or foreign interest or sometimes to stir up trouble, but in the end, they're the same people.

[Particula]

she soupusedly comes from these people :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_iiHVN7x5k

[DragonRouge]

Of course its overexaggerated by Jewish media, and 9/11 is another example. 9/11 was a horrible event that should not be forgotten but sometimes you must forgive and forget or you'll carry that burden till the world ends :(
I know Germanic batter one another for political or foreign interest or sometimes to stir up trouble, but in the end, they're the same people.

I don't see them as the same people. You look at Swedes, Norwegians, Icelanders, Faroese, they are Germanic but not like Anglos, AT ALL. In fact, I am half Faroese myself. I've actually gotten shit for it from Anglos in the past. It usually comes in one of two forms: liberal Anglos saying my dad must be racist, and Nordicist Anglos (:lol: sounds like an oxymoron to me, those obvious non-Nordics being Nordicist) kissing my ass and wanting to be my friend. Then they find out I'm Acadian and treat me in a condescending manner (that's a whole other discussion, though).

[Esekon Kimatt]

I don't see them as the same people. You look at Swedes, Norwegians, Icelanders, Faroese, they are Germanic but not like Anglos, AT ALL. In fact, I am half Faroese myself. I've actually gotten shit for it from Anglos in the past. It usually comes in one of two forms: liberal Anglos saying my dad must be racist, and Nordicist Anglos (:lol: sounds like an oxymoron to me, those obvious non-Nordics being Nordicist) kissing my ass and wanting to be my friend. Then they find out I'm Acadian and treat me in a condescending manner (that's a whole other discussion, though).

Wow! Sounds bad. Is that in general or a rare occurrence. But the same can be implied with other ethnics/races around the world, Jay, I get harassed for being part white :lol: and I've been told several times to "keep that stuff to yourself".
Yeah i know how it feels, outcasted, not by all, but by certain individuals who you used to look up to :(

Anyway Anglos bully everyone including themselves and Germans aren't the most respectful people in the world, however, they're trying their best. I know a few, and no matter how much they try not to be racist, they always end up being racist, unintentionally actually.

[DragonRouge]

Wow! Sounds bad. Is that in general or a rare occurrence. But the same can be implied with other ethnics/races around the world, Jay, I get harassed for being part white :lol: and I've been told several times to "keep that stuff to yourself".
Yeah i know how it feels, outcasted, not by all, but by certain individuals who you used to look up to :(

It's pretty general. I don't hang around with Anglos outside of environments where I have to (ie work). The Nordicist thing I find very annoying because I view Nordicists as an insult to my father's heritage and culture and I don't appreciate them kissing my ass. I'd like to give some of them free dental work... with my fist.

[Esekon Kimatt]

I'd like to give some of them free dental work... with my fist.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Join the line bro :thumbsup: