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Sir Greendown
2010-05-24, 23:11
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream.
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
3. The need to maintain historical academic superiority even in absences of knowledge.
4. The need to invoke paranoia clause and claim African people have a 'chip on their shoulder.'
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation. To merge class into race as it suits them.
6. To collapse collaborators, victims and perpetrators into one equally guilty entity.
7. Make self-references to institutions they control: Such as the dictionary.
8. To stipulate, while retaining economic and political control, that race is redundant and that Africans are hung up too much on race, while they continue to exercise racism and profit from this exercise.
9.Abstract through expressed by the European mind is elevated to the whispers of prophets, while the same abstract through in the African mind is the utterances of the mentally insane.
10. Never can an African be seen to display genius outside of European authority. " Mr X of Gabon is so smart; he was trained at Oxford ."
11. They constantly set themselves up of the heroes in African history. Thus viewers relates more with the 'poor' South African reporter's family forgetting Steve Biko, a hero and symbol of resistance, in Cry Freedom. David Livingston is also the savior of Africa he single-handed abolish all of the African/Arab slave trade.
12. When no academic error can be found they seek technical errors such as spelling errors. This is also a sign of their desperation when intellect fails.
13. Making references to Africans who share their perspective and thus electing these individuals as authorities. e.g. Henry Louis Gates (HNIC)
14. To label those bearing information which serves in their disinterest as 'anger ridden.' Thus the African's are over emotional and deluded.
15. Always suggest the pattern of European domination is coincidence.
16. Cite rare and exotic examples of African behavior, which suits their argument
17. Make references to social generalization that they created via cultural domination and oppression; “most black people don't see themselves as African” clearly a condition that Europeans were active agents in creating.
18. They lean on human individual responsibility thus saying “no one put a gun to African's head” and Africans enslaving Africans is the fault of African people. They neglect their participation in fostering and nurturing chaos between non-European people. ‘Blame reassignment’
19. Character assassination as a tactic of distraction to shift the topic away from the areas that they have no answer for or deliberately obfuscating issues in order just to confuse innocent minds. Hence, they try to show Mugabe's inhumanity in a conversation about European supremacy. Or that T Martin and Farrakhan are antisemitic.
20. The labeling of non-mainstream ideas as extreme and radical.
Ok, i wont deny that i have had my fall outs with non-whites on this forum, as well as blacks, but i really do think when a person cares so much about what 'Europeans' think of them (like you Sir Greendown) it really says more about your racial inferiority complex than anything else.
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream.
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
3. The need to maintain historical academic superiority even in absences of knowledge.
4. The need to invoke paranoia clause and claim African people have a 'chip on their shoulder.'
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation. To merge class into race as it suits them.
6. To collapse collaborators, victims and perpetrators into one equally guilty entity.
7. Make self-references to institutions they control: Such as the dictionary.
8. To stipulate, while retaining economic and political control, that race is redundant and that Africans are hung up too much on race, while they continue to exercise racism and profit from this exercise.
9.Abstract through expressed by the European mind is elevated to the whispers of prophets, while the same abstract through in the African mind is the utterances of the mentally insane.
10. Never can an African be seen to display genius outside of European authority. " Mr X of Gabon is so smart; he was trained at Oxford ."
11. They constantly set themselves up of the heroes in African history. Thus viewers relates more with the 'poor' South African reporter's family forgetting Steve Biko, a hero and symbol of resistance, in Cry Freedom. David Livingston is also the savior of Africa he single-handed abolish all of the African/Arab slave trade.
12. When no academic error can be found they seek technical errors such as spelling errors. This is also a sign of their desperation when intellect fails.
13. Making references to Africans who share their perspective and thus electing these individuals as authorities. e.g. Henry Louis Gates (HNIC)
14. To label those bearing information which serves in their disinterest as 'anger ridden.' Thus the African's are over emotional and deluded.
15. Always suggest the pattern of European domination is coincidence.
16. Cite rare and exotic examples of African behavior, which suits their argument
17. Make references to social generalization that they created via cultural domination and oppression; “most black people don't see themselves as African” clearly a condition that Europeans were active agents in creating.
18. They lean on human individual responsibility thus saying “no one put a gun to African's head” and Africans enslaving Africans is the fault of African people. They neglect their participation in fostering and nurturing chaos between non-European people. ‘Blame reassignment’
19. Character assassination as a tactic of distraction to shift the topic away from the areas that they have no answer for or deliberately obfuscating issues in order just to confuse innocent minds. Hence, they try to show Mugabe's inhumanity in a conversation about European supremacy. Or that T Martin and Farrakhan are antisemitic.
20. The labeling of non-mainstream ideas as extreme and radical.
Shoot meh, I thanked it! Political suicide?
Real talk tho, there's some truth to this. I don't necessarily see the need to focus on it to the extent the OP did, but regardless. Truth is truth.
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream...
You have made very relevent points. I wouldn't call this post extreme at all. Though there's no use in getting pissed off with people. Think of all you've written, you're probably going to get labelled a paranoid psycho now even though you've made very good observations. My advice is lay off the posting for a bit because people love to jump on the bandwagon and turn against whoever everyone is against. You are clearly an intelligent guy don't get sucked into this stuff man. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to patronise you, I just know how irritating these forum wars can get and one makes enemies like flies on shit.
lol@"scientific" thought. Low standards, me thinks.
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream.
Attacking intention while ignoring the argument.
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
Academics don't take what is labeled Afrocentrism seriously because their claims are not a result of real scholarly work. You can't attack scholars who critique them as Eurocetrics every time they provide good arguments.
3. The need to maintain historical academic superiority even in absences of knowledge.
This is your assumption that others who disagree with you are ignorant rather than more knowledgeable than yourself and other Black posters. For example, the belief by some Black posters here that haplogroup E means someone with it out of SSA is mixed race is beyond ignorant but yet considered "true and shit" by them.
4. The need to invoke paranoia clause and claim African people have a 'chip on their shoulder.'
If they didn't then why do they use Ethioboy as a punching bag because he has opinions that conflict with the Black posters here have to say. Ethioboy doesn't follow the "Black line" here and so he's called "house Negro." I've never seen such vicious attacks before on anyone. It's out right bullying for ideological purposes.
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation.
It is a human problem used by some Black posters to get points on Europeans while ignoring the role of other people in the SSA slave trade, including their own. Europeans are the only group to not only actively end it among their own people but attempted to end it among non-Europeans. No other group can claim this.
To merge class into race as it suits them.
It would be amusing to see you expand on this.
6. To collapse collaborators, victims and perpetrators into one equally guilty entity.
Collaborators are also perpetrators. Never heard of anyone blaming the victim.
7. Make self-references to institutions they control: Such as the dictionary.
I laughed so hard at this. "The dictionary be racist and shit!" When debating it's important that both sides agree on what words mean. Otherwise you get nowhere.
8. To stipulate, while retaining economic and political control, that race is redundant and that Africans are hung up too much on race, while they continue to exercise racism and profit from this exercise.
Excuse for economic failure (certianly not political failure among African-Americans) is always explained away as consequence of continued racism. That we have many successful Blacks in the "White man's world" makes sensible people think otherwise. So race isn't that much of an issue except when Blacks make it an issue. The "race card" is often used when some Blacks don't get their way. I have personally seen this happen in the most bizzare of situations.
9.Abstract through expressed by the European mind is elevated to the whispers of prophets, while the same abstract through in the African mind is the utterances of the mentally insane.
Examples?
10. Never can an African be seen to display genius outside of European authority. " Mr X of Gabon is so smart; he was trained at Oxford ."
That's because there is something called standards. Are Asian Academic institutions derided? No.
People outside of academia don't have access to labs, for example. People with ability also understand that academia is the established outlet and so flock to it. But if you can't hang, then you can't hang. There is a reason why there are few people with doctorates.
11. They constantly set themselves up of the heroes in African history. Thus viewers relates more with the 'poor' South African reporter's family forgetting Steve Biko, a hero and symbol of resistance, in Cry Freedom. David Livingston is also the savior of Africa he single-handed abolish all of the African/Arab slave trade.
I don't know of anyone making that claim about David Livingston. I do know the British were the the first people to try to stop international slave trading.
12. When no academic error can be found they seek technical errors such as spelling errors. This is also a sign of their desperation when intellect fails.
I've never seen a post where grammar was the focus. It's always a side issue and done more out of laughs.
13. Making references to Africans who share their perspective and thus electing these individuals as authorities. e.g. Henry Louis Gates (HNIC)
I don't see why this would be an issue unless you fall into the "Ethioboy fallacy" of calling such Blacks Uncle Toms becuase they say something you dislike.
14. To label those bearing information which serves in their disinterest as 'anger ridden.' Thus the African's are over emotional and deluded.
Sorry, dude, but the average Black poster here is very angry. This can't be denied. Remember Sundiata? ;) He's the best example.
15. Always suggest the pattern of European domination is coincidence.
I don't think anyone one here thinks it's coincidence. Quite the opposite.
16. Cite rare and exotic examples of African behavior, which suits their argument
Don't both sides do this? But it would be great if you provided some exotic examples to see what is viewed as exotic by you.
17. Make references to social generalization that they created via cultural domination and oppression; “most black people don't see themselves as African” clearly a condition that Europeans were active agents in creating.
I never heard anyone claim that "most Black people don't see themselves as African." But regardless, it's clear from your words that you're attempting to make null any trends by saying it's a product of "cultural domination and oppression" rather than to deal with the truth of it. So if Blacks prefer lighter skin females, it's because of "cultural domination and oppression" rather than a preference found around the world, which it is, for example.
18. They lean on human individual responsibility thus saying “no one put a gun to African's head” and Africans enslaving Africans is the fault of African people. They neglect their participation in fostering and nurturing chaos between non-European people. ‘Blame reassignment’
No one neglects the role of Europeans in the slave trade. That's impossible to do. What is often the case is Black posters ignore the role of Africans. Slavery is a big part of human history world wide. But I do find it odd that I rarely ever see talk about the Arab slave trade, which was longer and much worse. But that's because they can't make Arabs feel guilty. While the trend among Europeans is guilt, among Arabs it's a big "go fuck yourselves" if you even hint at it.
It was a two way street, deal with it. There was greed on both ends and SSA suffered.
19. Character assassination as a tactic of distraction to shift the topic away from the areas that they have no answer for or deliberately obfuscating issues in order just to confuse innocent minds. Hence, they try to show Mugabe's inhumanity in a conversation about European supremacy. Or that T Martin and Farrakhan are antisemitic.
Lulz@character assassination. Farrakhan is an anti-Semite. Mugabe is a psychopath.
I know using big words like "obfuscating" tends make people think your comemnt carries weight but I think the reality is that some "Eurocentric" posters here try to deal with a complex issue while some African posters can only get to a certain level and so anything above that certain level makes them confused and since they're confused they fail to see the relevancy.
20. The labeling of non-mainstream ideas as extreme and radical.
Ideas are judged on their own merit here. Sorry if Cyde Winter's self published book is considered trash. Rarely are self published books on any subject considered seriously, regardless of topic, but it's not because they're self published but because self published books are the last resort for someone whose ideas are not taken seriosu by serious people.
Game Theory
2010-05-25, 05:21
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream.
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
3. The need to maintain historical academic superiority even in absences of knowledge.
4. The need to invoke paranoia clause and claim African people have a 'chip on their shoulder.'
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation. To merge class into race as it suits them.
6. To collapse collaborators, victims and perpetrators into one equally guilty entity.
7. Make self-references to institutions they control: Such as the dictionary.
8. To stipulate, while retaining economic and political control, that race is redundant and that Africans are hung up too much on race, while they continue to exercise racism and profit from this exercise.
9.Abstract through expressed by the European mind is elevated to the whispers of prophets, while the same abstract through in the African mind is the utterances of the mentally insane.
10. Never can an African be seen to display genius outside of European authority. " Mr X of Gabon is so smart; he was trained at Oxford ."
11. They constantly set themselves up of the heroes in African history. Thus viewers relates more with the 'poor' South African reporter's family forgetting Steve Biko, a hero and symbol of resistance, in Cry Freedom. David Livingston is also the savior of Africa he single-handed abolish all of the African/Arab slave trade.
12. When no academic error can be found they seek technical errors such as spelling errors. This is also a sign of their desperation when intellect fails.
13. Making references to Africans who share their perspective and thus electing these individuals as authorities. e.g. Henry Louis Gates (HNIC)
14. To label those bearing information which serves in their disinterest as 'anger ridden.' Thus the African's are over emotional and deluded.
15. Always suggest the pattern of European domination is coincidence.
16. Cite rare and exotic examples of African behavior, which suits their argument
17. Make references to social generalization that they created via cultural domination and oppression; “most black people don't see themselves as African” clearly a condition that Europeans were active agents in creating.
18. They lean on human individual responsibility thus saying “no one put a gun to African's head” and Africans enslaving Africans is the fault of African people. They neglect their participation in fostering and nurturing chaos between non-European people. ‘Blame reassignment’
19. Character assassination as a tactic of distraction to shift the topic away from the areas that they have no answer for or deliberately obfuscating issues in order just to confuse innocent minds. Hence, they try to show Mugabe's inhumanity in a conversation about European supremacy. Or that T Martin and Farrakhan are antisemitic.
20. The labeling of non-mainstream ideas as extreme and radical.
Good post, for the sake of truth because truth is truth.
Yes, the truth is the truth. Jesus walked on water!
Yes, the truth is the truth. Jesus walked on water!
And Dominicans are indios and mesitizo Mapuches are Mediterrraeans
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream.
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
3. The need to maintain historical academic superiority even in absences of knowledge.
4. The need to invoke paranoia clause and claim African people have a 'chip on their shoulder.'
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation. To merge class into race as it suits them.
6. To collapse collaborators, victims and perpetrators into one equally guilty entity.
7. Make self-references to institutions they control: Such as the dictionary.
8. To stipulate, while retaining economic and political control, that race is redundant and that Africans are hung up too much on race, while they continue to exercise racism and profit from this exercise.
9.Abstract through expressed by the European mind is elevated to the whispers of prophets, while the same abstract through in the African mind is the utterances of the mentally insane.
10. Never can an African be seen to display genius outside of European authority. " Mr X of Gabon is so smart; he was trained at Oxford ."
11. They constantly set themselves up of the heroes in African history. Thus viewers relates more with the 'poor' South African reporter's family forgetting Steve Biko, a hero and symbol of resistance, in Cry Freedom. David Livingston is also the savior of Africa he single-handed abolish all of the African/Arab slave trade.
12. When no academic error can be found they seek technical errors such as spelling errors. This is also a sign of their desperation when intellect fails.
13. Making references to Africans who share their perspective and thus electing these individuals as authorities. e.g. Henry Louis Gates (HNIC)
14. To label those bearing information which serves in their disinterest as 'anger ridden.' Thus the African's are over emotional and deluded.
15. Always suggest the pattern of European domination is coincidence.
16. Cite rare and exotic examples of African behavior, which suits their argument
17. Make references to social generalization that they created via cultural domination and oppression; “most black people don't see themselves as African” clearly a condition that Europeans were active agents in creating.
18. They lean on human individual responsibility thus saying “no one put a gun to African's head” and Africans enslaving Africans is the fault of African people. They neglect their participation in fostering and nurturing chaos between non-European people. ‘Blame reassignment’
19. Character assassination as a tactic of distraction to shift the topic away from the areas that they have no answer for or deliberately obfuscating issues in order just to confuse innocent minds. Hence, they try to show Mugabe's inhumanity in a conversation about European supremacy. Or that T Martin and Farrakhan are antisemitic.
20. The labeling of non-mainstream ideas as extreme and radical.
Who cares.
Why don't you Niggers grow up? Stop fixating on things you cannot change. In any case, Africans like the Sanids, and the Pygmies are oddities. Nothing like you various quarter breed West African American mongrels. Actually you are the oddities compared with real Africans like the Sanids and Pygmies. You are just a bunch of knock offs, fake, plastic fantastic Africans.
Why don't you Niggers grow up? Stop fixating on things you cannot change. In any case, Africans like the Sanids, and the Pygmies are oddities. Nothing like you various quarter breed West African American mongrels. Actually you are the oddities compared with real Africans like the Sanids and Pygmies. You are just a bunch of knock offs, fake, plastic fantastic Africans.
Humanzees like you dumb Maltese knock Arab ass are knock offs, how's the weather in Aussie land Ahkmed?
EliasAlucard
2010-05-25, 10:01
If they didn't then why do they use Ethioboy as a punching bag because he has opinions that conflict with the Black posters here have to say. Ethioboy doesn't follow the "Black line" here and so he's called "house Negro." I've never seen such vicious attacks before on anyone. It's out right bullying for ideological purposes.It's the same reason they attack tweet. And that's why I think you're wrong in siding with Wadaad against tweet. Just because tweet isn't hyper-Negrocentric she gets all those vicious personal attacks. Aware_Dog even called ethioboy "house Negro slave" just because ethioboy happens to have his own opinions on his raw data.
And they have the audacity to call us "Eurocentric".
1. Isolating Africans they don't like as oddities and not part of the general African mainstream.
Hive-mentality?
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
No, just the one that lacks any kind of merit. I don't know exactly what, but if you're talking about the people you mentioned in some other thread, some of them clearly fall into the "pseudo" range - just like Thor Heyerdahl. Same shit.
3. The need to maintain historical academic superiority even in absences of knowledge.
No, because of knowledge
4. The need to invoke paranoia clause and claim African people have a 'chip on their shoulder.'
I guess "they" are just the people on this forum that you disagree with?
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation. To merge class into race as it suits them.
Ditto
6
. To collapse collaborators, victims and perpetrators into one equally guilty entity.
Victims? Never seen that.
7. Make self-references to institutions they control: Such as the dictionary.
So, the forumites here control the dictionary? Or "Eurocentrics" control the dictionary?
8. To stipulate, while retaining economic and political control, that race is redundant and that Africans are hung up too much on race, while they continue to exercise racism and profit from this exercise.
Who are you talking about again?
9.Abstract through expressed by the European mind is elevated to the whispers of prophets, while the same abstract through in the African mind is the utterances of the mentally insane.
Really?
10. Never can an African be seen to display genius outside of European authority. " Mr X of Gabon is so smart; he was trained at Oxford ."
So, you don't accept that there are schools that are more prestigious than others? That there are universities with hundreds of years of tradition? That there have been a tradition in Europe for higher education for a long time, and that you have to study where the knowledge is (perhaps not so much any more).
11. They constantly set themselves up of the heroes in African history. Thus viewers relates more with the 'poor' South African reporter's family forgetting Steve Biko, a hero and symbol of resistance, in Cry Freedom. David Livingston is also the savior of Africa he single-handed abolish all of the African/Arab slave trade.
Dunno about that.
12. When no academic error can be found they seek technical errors such as spelling errors. This is also a sign of their desperation when intellect fails.
Talking about forumites again?
13. Making references to Africans who share their perspective and thus electing these individuals as authorities. e.g. Henry Louis Gates (HNIC)
Dunno who he is. It seems that Afrocentrics does the very same thing "but this scientists is white - italian whatever, so you have to believe him when he says that kemetians were black". I agree that it is stupid.
14. To label those bearing information which serves in their disinterest as 'anger ridden.' Thus the African's are over emotional and deluded.
Somewhat related to nr. 15
15. Always suggest the pattern of European domination is coincidence.
Actually, real eurocentrists think that they are superior, and that's the reason, not a coincidence at all!
16. Cite rare and exotic examples of African behavior, which suits their argument
On this board, yes I agree, some people do that.
17. Make references to social generalization that they created via cultural domination and oppression; “most black people don't see themselves as African” clearly a condition that Europeans were active agents in creating.
Perhaps
18. They lean on human individual responsibility thus saying “no one put a gun to African's head” and Africans enslaving Africans is the fault of African people. They neglect their participation in fostering and nurturing chaos between non-European people. ‘Blame reassignment’
Well, they split the spoils with dire consequences. I also agree somewhat with that. I haven't seen this used as arguments here much, though.
19. Character assassination as a tactic of distraction to shift the topic away from the areas that they have no answer for or deliberately obfuscating issues in order just to confuse innocent minds. Hence, they try to show Mugabe's inhumanity in a conversation about European supremacy. Or that T Martin and Farrakhan are antisemitic.
How is this a general thing? This should be addressed in the actual discussion, you're just talking about some people's argumentation tactics here.
20. The labeling of non-mainstream ideas as extreme and radical.
Maybe they're non-mainstream because of their radical nature? Depends on what you're talking about. Not all of us on the forum read all of the shitty ad hominem debates you participate in.
There's a difference between "Eurocentrics" and people semi trolling on this board. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make that person "Eurocentric" in the same way as extreme "Afrocentrics".
2. The patronizing of African scholarship as childish and simplistic. Treating it as a Pseudo-history.
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African scholarship? I didn't know that black americans and guyanese were Africans in the first place. And second, when those pseudoschollars start to make good science, well, they will be recognized. While they keep in politic dogmas for ignorants, they'll receive what they deserve.
5. To normalize slavery and racism as a human problem thus mitigating their historical domination in racist manipulation. To merge class into race as it suits them.
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Africa was the slaves exporter superpower of the modern times. Africans captured and sold theirs own people for money. Live with it.
It's the same reason they attack tweet. And that's why I think you're wrong in siding with Wadaad against tweet. Just because tweet isn't hyper-Negrocentric she gets all those vicious personal attacks. Aware_Dog even called ethioboy "house Negro slave" just because ethioboy happens to have his own opinions on his raw data.
And they have the audacity to call us "Eurocentric".
They attack Tweet because some Black posters at this forum are embarrassed by her stupidity and she certainly instigates fights with them. She doesn't help her case when she makes up bullshit. For example, Wadaad isn't some Bantu hating Somali. She makes claims about people and doesn't back it up. In contrast some Black posters attack Ethioboy because he's articulate about views that offend them. If he was a dumb ass like Tweet, their attacks wouldn't be a combination of personal attacks and attempts at developing an argument. With Tweet it's just flame wars and nothing more because she doesn't bring anything to the table except random insults.
Game Theory
2010-05-25, 21:52
They attack Tweet because some Black posters at this forum are embarrassed by her stupidity and she certainly instigates fights with them. She doesn't help her case when she makes up bullshit. For example, Wadaad isn't some Bantu hating Somali. She makes claims about people and doesn't back it up. In contrast some Black posters attack Ethioboy because he's articulate about views that offend them. If he was a dumb ass like Tweet, their attacks wouldn't be a combination of personal attacks and attempts at developing an argument. With Tweet it's just flame wars and nothing more because she doesn't bring anything to the table except random insults.
ethioboy can be just as dumb and trollish as tweet sometimes but the Game understands that you white folk have your good and bad Negroes. While nobody should get insulted, ethioboy is not "attacked" because he's articulate, its because what he posts is BS sometimes, quit creating this false image of good Negroes getting attacked by "Afrocentric" boogey men.
good Negroes getting attacked by "Afrocentric" boogey men.
Well your some fucked black power supporter. You should do the US a favour and shoot yourself. But hey as my fellow 'christian' cough* sect cough* I wish the Lord to bestow peace upon you.
Game Theory
2010-05-25, 22:02
As for the OP, a lot of what he said was true even though Anodyne came back extra weak trying to dismiss it, it cannot be denied that whites collectively have done the most terrible things to blacks in terms of dehumanization and , mistreatment, whether one hates when its brought up or not has nothing to do with the fact that dehumanization and mistreatment of blacks by whites took place facts can't be denied.
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Well your some fucked black power supporter. You should do the US a favour and shoot yourself. But hey as my fellow 'christian' cough* sect cough* I wish the Lord to bestow peace upon you.
Black Power, hmmm you don't even know what that means, knowing how dumb you are you probably think it means kill whitey or pay whitey back, no, that isn't what it means, anyways I don't waste my time on dimwitted trolls who want to bait and instigate fights.
Black Power, hmmm you don't even know what that means, knowing how dumb you are you probably think it means kill whitey or pay whitey back, no, that isn't what it means, anyways I don't waste my time on dimwitted trolls who want to bait and instigate fights.
I don't want no fight especially not against blacks as I will be labeled as a anti-africanus.
well listen up now jehovas witnesses boy, black power is the same for me as the white power movement in Southern Africa. I don't see any difference, oh wait there is one difference! Whites are getting discriminated/raped/killed in SA whilst blacks get treated like whiteys in the US and rest of the world. Fcking hypocritical shits.
mysteriousvistor
2010-05-25, 22:14
I don't want no fight especially not against blacks as I will be labeled as a anti-africanus.
well listen up now jehovas witnesses boy, black power is the same for me as the white power movement in Southern Africa. I don't see any difference, oh wait there is one difference! Whites are getting discriminated/raped/killed in SA whilst blacks get treated like whiteys in the US and rest of the world. Fcking hypocritical shits.
Blacks aren't getting treated like "whites" in the US, plz just the opposite. It may seem like that to you because of Sharpton or Jackson, but that is certainly not the case.
Blacks aren't getting treated like "whites" in the US, plz just the opposite. It may seem like that to you because of Sharpton or Jackson, but that is certainly not the case.
Well are they treated like whites in South Africa? :) Suits them well being discriminated. Oranje friistaten!
mysteriousvistor
2010-05-25, 22:30
Well are they treated like whites in South Africa? :) Suits them well being discriminated. Oranje friistaten!
In a way yes, but the whites in south africa are weaping what they sowed. Sure blacks in the USA probably treat the whites like the Xhosa and Zulu.
I don't want no fight especially not against blacks as I will be labeled as a anti-africanus.
well listen up now jehovas witnesses boy, black power is the same for me as the white power movement in Southern Africa. I don't see any difference, oh wait there is one difference! Whites are getting discriminated/raped/killed in SA whilst blacks get treated like whiteys in the US and rest of the world. Fcking hypocritical shits.
Whites in SA enjoy their shit treatment, at least now they know how it feels to demand equal rights...
have your good Negroes.
Obama is a good negroe.:evilgrin::lol:
ethioboy can be just as dumb and trollish as tweet sometimes but the Game understands that you white folk have your good and bad Negroes. While nobody should get insulted, ethioboy is not "attacked" because he's articulate, its because what he posts is BS sometimes, quit creating this false image of good Negroes getting attacked by "Afrocentric" boogey men.
This is an example of actual character assassination. Ethioboy has a different view than you and so he's "White folk's Negro." I'm sorry but this attitude of yours is shameful. In your world view you need to be part of the team (thinking the same way) or you're the "White man's boy." I give alot of credit to Ethioboy for not being intimidated by internet thugs like yourself. What's stupid is pretending he's a tool and a troll when he has argued, including with me, with what he truly believes is correct. He has never come across as a friend of "Eurocentrics." You just don't like that he doesn't follow your line. You can't accept people diverting from your line of thought. This is something I've noticed and a consequence of an authoritarian nature.
And the last person who should be speaking of trolling is you with your history of sock puppetry. Have some integrity for once, you little mind fascist. You're not even smart enough to distinguish truth from fiction. Now that's a personal attack based on pasted experience. You can't even read simple charts without assisstance.
Game Theory
2010-05-26, 05:17
This is an example of actual character assassination. Ethioboy has a different view than you and so he's "White folk's Negro." I'm sorry but this attitude of yours is shameful. In your world view you need to be part of the team (thinking the same way) or you're the "White man's boy." I give alot of credit to Ethioboy for not being intimidated by internet thugs like yourself. What's stupid is pretending he's a tool and a troll when he has argued, including with me, with what he truly believes is correct. He has never come across as a friend of "Eurocentrics." You just don't like that he doesn't follow your line. You can't accept people diverting from your line of thought. This is something I've noticed and a consequence of an authoritarian nature.
And the last person who should be speaking of trolling is you with your history of sock puppetry. Have some integrity for once, you little mind fascist. You're not even smart enough to distinguish truth from fiction. Now that's a personal attack based on pasted experience. You can't even read simple charts without assisstance.
That isn't character assassination and you're the last person to talk about that, there are many views that are disagreed with on this forum by a lot of people, especially those who's views are seen "Afrocentric" who gets viciously attacked, even you jump right on ahead with those attacks, is it because they don't follow your line and post whatever you like?
Ethioboy gets "attacked" because what he posts is rubbish sometimes and his views are sometimes lock and step with those of Eurocentrics, even when evidence is posted that refutes him.
That isn't character assassination...
It certainly is. Note how you didn't explain how it isn't. Perhaps it takes a bit of deep thinking on your part and you don't want to strain yourself..
...and you're the last person to talk about that,..
Oh, right.. your constant cries of ad hominem (you don't even know when it applies) when I point out the dumb shit you pull. You're a well known troll. That has been established. Although I don't approve of hacking accounts, your account was hacked and it was revealed you had sock puppets at various forums. I can't over look that. I have no respect for dishonest people. This is not a character assassination; it's an established fact.
...there are many views that are disagreed with on this forum by a lot of people, especially those who's views are seen "Afrocentric" who gets viciously attacked, even you jump right on ahead with those attacks, is it because they don't follow your line and post whatever you like?
Excuse me but I provide arguments when someone disagrees with me. Whenever we have a disagreement I put forth an argument and then I mock you. I mock you because I have no respect for you because you never present yourself respectfully. You constantly accuse others of being deceitful about data when you barely undertsand what is being said. As I pointed out to you before, even the intelligent Black posters that I have spoken to are embarrassed by you and understandably so. That's not character assassination. That's an honest opinion of your ability.
Ethioboy gets "attacked" because what he posts is rubbish sometimes and his views are sometimes lock and step with those of Eurocentrics, even when evidence is posted that refutes him.
I don't trust your ability to establish what is rubbish and what is truth considering you're entirely agenda driven. Tell me again how there are so few homosexuals in Africa and it's really is a "white thang". One example out of many of how you're so driven to mold Blacks in an image that will elieviate your lakcof self esteem. I've met many people over my time that will go to greta lengths to try pump up their ethnic group and you're one of the most absurd. Why don't you make a another thread like at Dodona about how the HBO show Deadwood "be racist and shit" because there wasn't a Black character in it. Boo hoo... they ignore an obscure Black historical figure. Fucking insanity.
Whites in SA enjoy their shit treatment, at least now they know how it feels to demand equal rights...
Two wrongs =/= one right
There have been a lot of Whiteys born since the end of apartheid. They may now know how it feels to demand equal rights, but so what? What does that mean? Does that excuse any kind of bad treatment? I don't know much about the situation in SA, but if the response of the Black community is to do exactly the same as the White minority did in the past (In principle, whether this is organised or happen at all, I don't know?) then they're just as bad.
Game Theory
2010-05-26, 06:08
It certainly is. Note how you didn't explain how it isn't. Perhaps it takes a bit of deep thinking on your part and you don't want to strain yourself..
Oh, right.. your constant cries of ad hominem (you don't even know when it applies) when I point out the dumb shit you pull. You're a well known troll. That has been established. Although I don't approve of hacking accounts, your account was hacked and it was revealed you had sock puppets at various forums. I can't over look that. I have no respect for dishonest people. This is not a character assassination; it's an established fact.
Excuse me but I provide arguments when someone disagrees with me. Whenever we have a disagreement I put forth an argument and then I mock you. I mock you because I have no respect for you because you never present yourself respectfully. You constantly accuse others of being deceitful about data when you barely undertsand what is being said. As I pointed out to you before, even the intelligent Black posters that I have spoken to are embarrassed by you and understandably so. That's not character assassination. That's an honest opinion of your ability.
I don't trust your ability to establish what is rubbish and what is truth considering you're entirely agenda driven. Tell me again how there are so few homosexuals in Africa and it's really is a "white thang". One example out of many of how you're so driven to mold Blacks in an image that will elieviate your lakcof self esteem. I've met many people over my time that will go to greta lengths to try pump up their ethnic group and you're one of the most absurd. Why don't you make a another thread like at Dodona about how the HBO show Deadwood "be racist and shit" because there wasn't a Black character in it. Boo hoo... they ignore an obscure Black historical figure. Fucking insanity.
I don't have time to address your habitual loathing of me, but for example look at the ancient Egypt thread me and Louisville posted irrefutable evidence from multiple sources that establish what ancient Egyptians were and what did you do? You went on some ad-hominem rant begging the question about why are "Afrocentrists" so interested in AE, a sure sign of your inability to post facts to refute what was posted, don't give me that BS about you posting facts, you're the king of ad-hominem and character assassination.
And yes i stand by what i said years ago, homosexuality is is far much more rare and less accepted in Africa than in Europe where it is openly embraced and paraded around in commercials and in love stories on soap operas, call what ever you want but there sure as hell is a difference between Europeans and Africans when it comes to homosexuality.
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Two wrongs =/= one right
There have been a lot of Whiteys born since the end of apartheid. They may now know how it feels to demand equal rights, but so what? What does that mean? Does that excuse any kind of bad treatment? I don't know much about the situation in SA, but if the response of the Black community is to do exactly the same as the White minority did in the past (In principle, whether this is organised or happen at all, I don't know?) then they're just as bad.
Get your facts straight, their is no organized effort on the part of blacks to do likewise to whites what was done to them by whites and whites in South Africa still control the economy and want to pretend as if all the ills they caused for some many years on blacks should be forgiven and forgotten and they too like American whites avoid talking about those ills, the only thing they want to here is blacks thanking them for lifting apartheid. the whites in SA have no basis on which to argue for equals rights because they've been deprived of nothing save for the racist apartheid system that favored them for years.
I don't have time to address your habitual loathing of me, but for example look at the ancient Egypt thread me and Louisville posted irrefutable evidence from multiple sources that establish what ancient Egyptians were and what did you do? You went on some ad-hominem rant begging the question about why are "Afrocentrists" so interested in AE, a sure sign of your inability to post facts to refute what was posted, don't give me that BS about you posting facts, you're the king of ad-hominem and character assassination.
Yes, Lousiville's copying and pasting of information from Egyptiansearch, information of which was dealt with in another thread, was too much for me to handle. Or perhaps it was the constant evil smiley faces and photos of Black pride with bold caps stating how "he be owning the crackers" humbled me. Yeah, that must be it. Sorry but Louisville was just repeating the same old nonsense that was dealt with by others.
And I dealt with you. You're just so blinded you didn't get it. So I leave you to your fantasy. I'm just glad I have a history and a culture to be proud of and so I don't need to steal the history of others. Once again, why does an Afram care about AE? I can understand why Horners are interested but not you. You have no possible connection.
I hope I didn't assassinate your character in that thread when I aksed you, multiple times, to state clearly what race you think the Ancient Egyptians were. Of course I actually never got a straight answer. Your belief was just implied.
I honestly dont care if Ancient Egypt was Black. You do and you know why.
And yes i stand by what i said years ago, homosexuality is is far much more rare and less accepted in Africa than in Europe where it is openly embraced and paraded around in commercials and in love stories on soap operas, call what ever you want but there sure as hell is a difference between Europeans and Africans when it comes to homosexuality.
Your stupidity knows no bounds. Just because European society is more accepting of homosexuality doesn't mean it's rare in SSA. It just means Europeans are more civilized when they allow fringe groups some acceptance. In Africa, just as in Europe in the past, it's done in secret. I don't want to use Africa as an example becuase HIV cases are exaggerated but here in the states Black men aren't exactly trailing when it comes to infections and if you know anything about HIV, which you probably don't because you're a fucking idiot, it's very difficult for a male to get infected without either using needle drugs or sodomy.
ethioboy
2010-05-26, 07:05
Eurocentric thought essentially deals with the propping up of european or caucasoid history by downplaying other racial histories. This includes stating things like the only empires in africa were ones that were run by caucasoids or partial caucasoids, etc... Essentially since every other race other than caucasoids (with the exception of some asians which have some special status) are inferior then they are logically too stupid in order to create anything productive within the world... This is my understanding of eurocentric thought
but here in the states Black men aren't exactly trailing when it comes to infections and if you know anything about HIV, which you probably don't because you're a fucking idiot, it's very difficult for a male to get infected without either using needle drugs or sodomy.
50% of all the HIV and AIDS cases in the USA are from the African-American male community. There is alot of black fags. They just keep it 'on the down low'.:evilgrin::lol:
http://allisonkilkenny.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/gay-is-the-new-black_iw.jpg
http://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/black-gays.gif
Also alot of the male african slaves brought to the USA were gay,thats why MALE black slaves in the USA were very submissive to their WHITE slave masters. :(
THEY NEVER REVOLTED OR KILLED THEIR SLAVE MASTERS. WEAK AND SUBMISSIVE BLACK FAGS.:(
Get your facts straight, their is no organized effort on the part of blacks to do likewise to whites what was done to them by whites and whites in South Africa still control the economy and want to pretend as if all the ills they caused for some many years on blacks should be forgiven and forgotten and they too like American whites avoid talking about those ills, the only thing they want to here is blacks thanking them for lifting apartheid. the whites in SA have no basis on which to argue for equals rights because they've been deprived of nothing save for the racist apartheid system that favored them for years.
Well, I can't say I know much about it. If there's no organized effort, good. I don't say that whites of SA should be treated any different than any other, and I don't claim that whites in SA should forget what happened. Rather, it was a reply to Tweet, and whatever her post suggested.
Get your facts straight, their is no organized effort on the part of blacks to do likewise to whites what was done to them by whites
So ANC's violent branches aren't doing any bad to whites :lol: hahah idiot.
and whites in South Africa still control the economy
Big lie, the country wouldn't be in that situation if whites would run it.
ethioboy can be just as dumb and trollish as tweet sometimes but the Game understands that you white folk have your good and bad Negroes. While nobody should get insulted, ethioboy is not "attacked" because he's articulate, its because what he posts is BS sometimes, quit creating this false image of good Negroes getting attacked by "Afrocentric" boogey men.
RAS was the first Anthro. forum I ever joined. Back then, I was totally naive to the fact that many posters on those forums are not there to really learn, debate, discuss, etc. You (and your banned cheerleader) were trolling about Dominicans, denigrating and insulting every facet of Dominican culture, history, etc. and actually making some of the most bizarre and silly arguments that I've ever seen. I abonded the thread after it was blatantly apparent that I can shoot you down but you would just keep repeating the same falseness over and over again right after one of the replies was pics of inter racial porn.
After that you kept the trolling on every board. When I comment on the fact that you have now changed much of what you once believed, you credit it to 'speaking to Dominicans' in real life. Do you not see anything wrong with trolling for years on a topic you knew very little about except via your usual Afrocentric lens?
I mention this not to derail the thread and make it about my nationality, but it is a crystal clear example that you have no room to call anyone a troll. What can describe someone who trolls a topic he knows very little about, ignores any factual evidence that completely debunk his claims, still persists, and years later completely adjusts his views. Troll? Hypocrite? Lier? Someone with sometype of racial complex and needs to denigrate other groups to glorify his? Someone blinded by their racist/racialist ethnocentric agenda?
Shut the fuck up chopo, nobody gives a shit about Dominicants, stop crying like a bitch.
Shut the fuck up chopo, nobody gives a shit about Dominicants, stop crying like a bitch.
lol 'Finesse'=corny stripper or ghetto queen name. Puta.
But YOU do mamaguevaso, hence you shouting us out constantly.
:lol: lol @ this little cowardly troll frustrated that no one is paying mind to his bait threads.:evilgrin:
paleolithic
2010-05-26, 16:29
No one neglects the role of Europeans in the slave trade. That's impossible to do. What is often the case is Black posters ignore the role of Africans. Slavery is a big part of human history world wide. But I do find it odd that I rarely ever see talk about the Arab slave trade, which was longer and much worse. But that's because they can't make Arabs feel guilty. While the trend among Europeans is guilt, among Arabs it's a big "go fuck yourselves" if you even hint at it.
There is no evidence that the Arab slave trade was worse than the European. It may have lasted for a longer time but there is no evidence that it affected more people (slaves) or that it was more brutal.
There is no evidence that the Arab slave trade was worse than the European. It may have lasted for a longer time but there is no evidence that it affected more people (slaves) or that it was more brutal.
Hard to judge. The TranSaharan Slave Trade lasted the longest, but the record keeping I believe is much more spotty than the TransAtlantic Slave trade.
Another thing that I must ask: Where any of the nations involved willing to end it? Much like the British did? That's another element to compare.
paleolithic
2010-05-26, 16:39
Hard to judge. The TranSaharan Slave Trade lasted the longest, but the record keeping I believe is much more spotty than the TransAtlantic Slave trade.
Another thing that I must ask: Where any of the nations involved willing to end it? Much like the British did? That's another element to compare.
Then one also must ask why the British were so willing to end it. Was it because of humanistic ideas and compassion, or was it because the transatlantic slave trade did not fit into new economic agendas and the beginning of a colonialism where the work force was needed in Africa itself rather than on the other side of the sea?
50% of all the HIV and AIDS cases in the USA are from the African-American male community. There is alot of black fags. They just keep it 'on the down low'.:evilgrin::lol:
http://allisonkilkenny.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/gay-is-the-new-black_iw.jpg
http://www.laprogressive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/black-gays.gif
The percentage of actual black homosexuals in the Afram community is probably no higher than the percentage of homosexuals in the U.S. white community.
High rates of HIV/AIDS among U.S. black males is probably do to IV drug use and/or the large number of black men who have been incarcerated at one time or another who have had man-on-man sexual experiences-either voluntary or involuntary-during their time in prison.
Homosexual behavior doesn’t equal homosexuality.
Also alot of the male african slaves brought to the USA were gay,thats why MALE black slaves in the USA were very submissive to their WHITE slave masters. :(
THEY NEVER REVOLTED OR KILLED THEIR SLAVE MASTERS. WEAK AND SUBMISSIVE BLACK FAGS.:(
LOL, any proof? We could just as easily argue that Mexican Amerindians and mestizos are just as submissive. Many Illegals from Mexico are preferred for jobs over low-skilled Aframs and Euro Americans because they are perceived as obsequious, which correlates in some minds with weakness. Aframs especially are seen as too surly to hire, even by black people.
paleolithic
2010-05-26, 16:43
Also alot of the male african slaves brought to the USA were gay,thats why MALE black slaves in the USA were very submissive to their WHITE slave masters. :(
THEY NEVER REVOLTED OR KILLED THEIR SLAVE MASTERS. WEAK AND SUBMISSIVE BLACK FAGS.:(
Not true. There were actually revolts and insurgencies all the time. And also a lot of slaves escaped, often by rather ingenious methods.
Then one also must ask why the British were so willing to end it. Was it because of humanistic ideas and compassion, or was it because the transatlantic slave trade did not fit into new economic agendas and the beginning of a colonialism where the work force was needed in Africa itself rather than on the other side of the sea?
Probably both. However, there were abolitionists in both Britain and the U.S. who were agitating for the abolition of slavery long before govt's in those countries took steps to end it. No such movement existed in the Islamic world.
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LOL, any proof? We could just as easily argue that Mexican Amerindians and mestizos are just as submissive. Many Illegals from Mexico are preferred for jobs over low-skilled Aframs and Euro Americans because they are perceived as obsequious, which correlates in some minds with weakness. Aframs especially are seen as too surly to hire, even by black people.
Latin Americans are hard working people. That doesn't mean we are submisive. In fact, the history of Latin America is bloody precisely because of that.
Please pay attention to the text that was written. I was talking about illegal mestizos and Amerindians from Mexico in the U.S., not Latinos from Mexico to the tip of South America. And yes, illegals are seen as submissive by potential employers. Being hard working and being perceived as submissive aren't mutually exclusive.
Game Theory
2010-05-26, 17:56
RAS was the first Anthro. forum I ever joined. Back then, I was totally naive to the fact that many posters on those forums are not there to really learn, debate, discuss, etc. You (and your banned cheerleader) were trolling about Dominicans, denigrating and insulting every facet of Dominican culture, history, etc. and actually making some of the most bizarre and silly arguments that I've ever seen. I abonded the thread after it was blatantly apparent that I can shoot you down but you would just keep repeating the same falseness over and over again right after one of the replies was pics of inter racial porn.
After that you kept the trolling on every board. When I comment on the fact that you have now changed much of what you once believed, you credit it to 'speaking to Dominicans' in real life. Do you not see anything wrong with trolling for years on a topic you knew very little about except via your usual Afrocentric lens?
I mention this not to derail the thread and make it about my nationality, but it is a crystal clear example that you have no room to call anyone a troll. What can describe someone who trolls a topic he knows very little about, ignores any factual evidence that completely debunk his claims, still persists, and years later completely adjusts his views. Troll? Hypocrite? Lier? Someone with sometype of racial complex and needs to denigrate other groups to glorify his? Someone blinded by their racist/racialist ethnocentric agenda?
I didn't anyone about Dominicans, everything I posted was true, maybe not as extreme as I thought but it was the truth, I've seen your posts in other forums with the same whiny talk about Aframs[USADR], you need to seriously man up and get off my testicles. Its really funny that you always mention the so called complexes that Aframs have while ignoring those in your country, insulting your country is of no interest to me, stop taking everything so personal, your country isn't important enough for me to want to insult it and troll you.
I didn't anyone about Dominicans, everything I posted was true, maybe not as extreme as I thought but it was the truth, I've seen your posts in other forums with the same whiny talk about Aframs, you need to seriously man up and get off my testicles. Its really funny that you always mention the so called complexes that Aframs have while ignoring those in your country, insulting your country is of no interest to me, stop taking everything so personal, your country isn't important enough for me to want to insult it and troll you.
Good to know you follow my posts on a Dominican forum. I don't follow your posts outside of what ever forum we both posts on.
As usual there's alot of projection & hypocrisy and out right lying in your post. Whining characterizes the behaviour of what a ton of your cohorts do, this is not mere personal opinion but a fact noticed by even other Aframs : "Why do they obsess so much about Brazilians, Cubans, Dominicans, etc." Which group is constantly whining about how others self-identify, who's black, how black, etc.?
It's noticed right on here by an African poster, toomash:
I would just like to ask some of the obvious Afram trolls on here (not saying there aren't other trolls) [U]why do you care so much about the opinion and inclusion of other ethnicities? Who cares if Dominicans are part-black or Mexicans are <5% black? Also, who cares whether they do or don't acknowledge it? I just don't get it. Jamaicans are part-Ghanaian, but I don't have any special kinship with them apart from superficial black solidarity. If they acknowledge some of their Ghanaian ancestry, cool. If they don't, cool. Their culture is very different anyways.
You have to start not giving a damn about others' opinions. The haters are going to hate regardless.
LOL, any proof? We could just as easily argue that Mexican Amerindians and mestizos are just as submissive. Many Illegals from Mexico are preferred for jobs over low-skilled Aframs and Euro Americans because they are perceived as obsequious, which correlates in some minds with weakness.
Illegal Mexicans come to work .Black males can settle for welfare.
Game Theory
2010-05-26, 18:51
Good to know you follow my posts on a Dominican forum. I don't follow your posts outside of what ever forum we both posts on.
As usual there's alot of projection & hypocrisy and out right lying in your post. Whining characterizes the behaviour of what a ton of your cohorts do, this is not mere personal opinion but a fact noticed by even other Aframs : "Why do they obsess so much about Brazilians, Cubans, Dominicans, etc." Which group is constantly whining about how others self-identify, who's black, how black, etc.?
It's noticed right on here by an African poster, toomash:
I would just like to ask some of the obvious Afram trolls on here (not saying there aren't other trolls) why do you care so much about the opinion and inclusion of other ethnicities? Who cares if Dominicans are part-black or Mexicans are <5% black? Also, who cares whether they do or don't acknowledge it? I just don't get it. Jamaicans are part-Ghanaian, but I don't have any special kinship with them apart from superficial black solidarity. If they acknowledge some of their Ghanaian ancestry, cool. If they don't, cool. Their culture is very different anyways.
You have to start not giving a damn about others' opinions. The haters are going to hate regardless.
He was referring obviously to Sir Greendown, not to me, I could care less, at the same time anything is fair game in a race forum so if a topic interests me I'll make my comments.
I don't go trolling Dominican forums, I was checking someone's links that was posted and just by the tone of the post I knew it was you with the same lame arguments being a hypocrite, you make your snide comments in threads about Aframs and accuse others of being insecure and in denial when they disagree with you, but when an Aframs makes some comments in a thread on Dominicans you treat them as boogey men obsessed with Dominicans, you can't have it both ways.
jonboyclem
2010-05-26, 18:52
Illegal Mexicans come to work. Black males can settle for welfare.
Which Black males are you talking about? There's is more Black ethnicities other than African Americans in this country:whoco:
, but when an Aframs makes some comments in a thread on Dominicans you treat them as boogey men obsessed with Dominicans, you can't have it both ways.
lol, yeah thats exactly what happens. An Afram makes some comments and I immediately go on the attack, lol. I'm not sure how you can pretend this is what happens when the post history says the complete opposite, but whatever you need to tell yourself I guess.
Originally Posted by g-man
LOL, any proof? We could just as easily argue that Mexican Amerindians and mestizos are just as submissive. Many Illegals from Mexico are preferred for jobs over low-skilled Aframs and Euro Americans because they are perceived as obsequious, which correlates in some minds with weakness.
Illegal Mexicans come to work .Black males can settle for welfare.
Be that as it may, that still doesn't undermine the view that such people are seen as weak, which conflicts with the proud, noble Aztec ideal promoted by some Chincanos in the U.S.
Oh and many black males work. Many more would work too, especially the young, if illegals weren't driving down wages for U.S. citizens.
Finally illegal Mexicans may come here to work and work hard, but their U.S. born progeny has high rates of dropping out of school, gang activity, and reliance on public assistance.....Maybe (?) not as high as AAs, but high nonetheless.
I'm veering off topic again.
The percentage of actual black homosexuals in the Afram community is probably no higher than the percentage of homosexuals in the U.S. white community.
Bass claims that there is no African-American homosexuals.
High rates of HIV/AIDS among U.S. black males is probably do to IV drug use and/or the large number of black men who have been incarcerated at one time or another who have had man-on-man sexual experiences-either voluntary or involuntary-during their time in prison.
I heard that in California prisons most fags are black males,so i can see the high AIDS rates comes from prisons.
Homosexual behavior doesn’t equal homosexuality.
yes it does . :sick:
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Be that as it may, that still doesn't undermine the view that such people are seen as weak, which conflicts with the proud, noble Aztec ideal promoted by some Chincanos in the U.S.
illegals have no rights. So they don't complain .They come to work.
AA were citizens and were treated worse just a generation ago.
There is no evidence that the Arab slave trade was worse than the European. It may have lasted for a longer time but there is no evidence that it affected more people (slaves) or that it was more brutal.
Here's the issue: unlike with Europeans proper records and concern for the history of slave trading wasn't present among Arabs. However, I have never seen estimations less than around double the numbers for the Euroepan slave trade. You can deny this as Eurocentric drivel but one thing that can't be denied is that there are Muslims that still enslave Blacks. We got that whole Sudan shizzle going done. But I guess it's okay because they're Black Muslims.
Oh, and I have to laugh at the questioning of the "brutal" part. I guess the high death rate during the march across the Sahara was just accidental deaths by paper cuts.
Then one also must ask why the British were so willing to end it. Was it because of humanistic ideas and compassion, or was it because the transatlantic slave trade did not fit into new economic agendas and the beginning of a colonialism where the work force was needed in Africa itself rather than on the other side of the sea?
Yeah, that's why they threatened to attack Portuguese ships, which have been allies of the British since the 14th century (longest alliance ever). As if what occured in Angola had any effect on British economics. What gain was there to threaten Morocco?
Or perhaps it would have been best to menton how the "Scramble for Africa" occured seven decades or so after the British threatened such diverse nations as Turkey and Portugal with violent action if they didn't cease slave trading.
What occurred in England, instead of other Euroepan groups in the late 18th century, was a crusading type of Christianity similar to the abolishionists movement in the U.S. later but with much more political clout. It's true that slavery became irrelevant to British economic power but they didn't have to threaten military action against nations still involved in the slave trade. As I aksed before, what does it matter if Ang0loa is being underpopulated by Portugal so they can supply a steady stream of slaves to work in Brazil? None to the British, economically speaking.
Louisvilleslugger
2010-05-27, 01:37
Yes, Lousiville's copying and pasting of information from Egyptiansearch,
Bitch first off I have a direct source for all of the legit sourced and irrefutable information that I presented throughout this fucking debate. Secondly I wouldn't waste my fucking my time scouring through the ES forums for information to refute any simple, redundant, strawman stuffed argument thrown at me on this funky ass forum. As a matter fact your stupid ass didn't even make an argument against a Black Egypt all you did was cosign with people you THOUGHT could hold a candle to my argument. YOU completely avoided my arguments all together which begs the question why the fuck are you even speaking on this subject.
information of which was dealt with in another thread,
Bullshit mixed with denial does not equate refutation, especially when authoratative sources are confirming our stance (Oxford Encyclopedia of Ancient Egypt).
was too much for me to handle
Not just you but Ellias and Ethioboy as well. But hell at least they ATTEMPTED to defend their stance you were just dick riding and creating irrelevant ass ad hominem arguments against Gametheory.
Or perhaps it was the constant evil smiley faces and photos of Black pride with bold caps stating how "he be owning the crackers" humbled me.
Lol why shouldn't I! You anti black African shits came across as cocky assholes prior to your assbeating and then it was followed by inevitable silence on your part. So I made it point to shove you all's defeat down your throats.
Sorry but Louisville was just repeating the same old nonsense that was dealt with by others.
Lol where is this imaginary refutation to my sources.....who refuted my points that were confirmed by authoratative sources? Either provide to link to this refutation or shut the fuck up and concede to defeat like the rest of them.
Do you want to know what is the most pathetic excuse put fourth by Caucasoidcentrics for denying the black African origins of Egypt. It that they accept the irrefutable fact that Southern Egypt was black and it was in Southern Egypt by Southern Egyptians that Egypt was founded, but hold on to a completely unsupported theory that because Predynastic Northern Egyptians showed crania variation from the certainly black Southern Egyptians that it somehow makes them Near Easterners. Despite Kemps study stating that predynastic Northern Egyptians skeletal remains were "signifigantly different" from Near Easterners "sugguesting a lack of common ancestry" and showing biological Affinity towards of course.......... you guessed it Tropical black Africans.
But then again why am I even telling you this.....you run from this shit and would much rather ask us questions like "why does knowing the truth about black African history matter so much to you descendants of black Africans"....you know stupid shit like that.
I'm just glad I have a history and a culture to be proud of and so I don't need to steal the history of others.
Is this the best you could scrap together was the shitty "stealing history" argument SMFH. You want to talk about stealing history ask yourself why the fuck are you a non African even worrying about African history. Could it be because your Eurocentric bias brought on by the deliberate distortion of black African history by early colonial retards has made you prone to believe that the black ancient Egyptians were really a white population.
I can understand why Horners are interested but not you. You have no possible connection.
You are about as ignorant as they come. Aside from the fact that Horn Africans are not at all drastically different and obviously very similar in look with other black Sub Saharan African it has bee confirmed and presented to your ignorant ass that those Sub Saharan Africans with broader features like West and central Africans were found in "substantial numbers" during the formation of Kemet. Hell look at Egypts FIRST unified king Menes. So please miss us with that petty ass arguments!
Once again, why does an Afram care about AE?
Our concern about Ancient is a direct result of colonial Eurocetrics who were obsessed with Egypt and painstakingly attempted to detatch it from it's black African origin.
I honestly dont care if Ancient Egypt was Black.
Yet you fucking cheerlead on one side of the debate and even follow the debate into the pit section of this forum. You obviously have some sort of personal motive for your irrelevant envolvement in this thread.... You already know mines.
Are you mad? You sound mad.
Louisvilleslugger
2010-05-27, 01:58
Are you mad? You sound mad.
Lol you're a fucking clown
Lol you're a fucking clown
If only I could post pics of Black fists being pumped in the air with a witty caption like: "Crackers be owned!" I'd be taken more seriously.
Your rant was amusing. You think you can take another hour out of your day to show me how mad you are, or does it take away from your time working on your Black history doctorate from the University of No Accreditation?
Louisvilleslugger
2010-05-27, 04:42
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If only I could post pics of Black fists being pumped in the air with a witty caption like: "Crackers be owned!" I'd be taken more seriously.
Your rant was amusing. You think you can take another hour out of your day to show me how mad you are, or does it take away from your time working on your Black history doctorate from the University of No Accreditation?
:lol: alright ad hominem clown you said your piece now shut the Hell up.
Game Theory
2010-05-27, 05:27
If only I could post pics of Black fists being pumped in the air with a witty caption like: "Crackers be owned!" I'd be taken more seriously.
Your rant was amusing. You think you can take another hour out of your day to show me how mad you are, or does it take away from your time working on your Black history doctorate from the University of No Accreditation?
LMAO, your response is typical for a person who really has nothing to say to refute an argument now its on to trying to attack the personal
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:lol: alright ad hominem clown you said your piece now shut the Hell up.
You do realize that a debate isn't going on, right? I made a post and you got mad and so you ranted about evil me. Then I reminded you of your place.
LMAO, your response is typical for a person who really has nothing to say to refute an argument now its on to trying to attack the personal
What argument was made? "Anodyne, you be ignorant and shit" isn't an argument.
Game Theory
2010-05-27, 06:04
You do realize that a debate isn't going on, right? I made a post and you got mad and so you ranted about evil me. Then I reminded you of your place.
What argument was made? "Anodyne, you be ignorant and shit" isn't an argument.
You came up with an ignorant , untruthful post about another poster and got PWNED, now you want to play stupid, its ok willy boy, just remember to have your facts and sources straight next time you debate, begging the question about why Aframs are so interested in debating Egypt and making false accusations of people stealing[when did any Aframs say that AE was an Afram civilization?] do not constitute refutations.
You came up with an ignorant , untruthful post about another poster and got PWNED, now you want to play stupid, its ok willy boy, just remember to have your facts and sources straight next time you debate, begging the question about why Aframs are so interested in debating Egypt and making false accusations of people stealing[when did any Aframs say that AE was an Afram civilization?] do not constitute refutations.
Nothing I say is untruthful. I may be wrong on something but I'm never dishonest. I will always have that over you (among other things).
But since you're such a serious poster perhaps you'd like to get your intellectual grove on here: https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=5281
Oh snap, Polako be steppin' to Da Game.
Louisvilleslugger
2010-05-27, 07:13
You do realize that a debate isn't going on, right? I made a post and you got mad and so you ranted about evil me. Then I reminded you of your place.
Smh Do you see what I mean what the fuck are you talking about? There isn't a damn thing of value that you have or can add to this disscussion so just shut the fuck up and concede to defeat in previous debates at the hands of ghetto savage "negras".
Ubirajara
2010-05-28, 01:13
As much elastic and acrobatic Eurocentric thought is, it has never explained why civilisation arose first in the Middle East and not in Europe. It has never explained why Ancient Egyptians for thousands of years were far ahead of any European group.
As much elastic and acrobatic Eurocentric thought is, it has never explained why civilisation arose first in the Middle East and not in Europe. It has never explained why Ancient Egyptians for thousands of years were far ahead of any European group.
True. In a very real sense, the "Western" civilization is only a variation of the civilization that started in Mesopotamia. We still carry lots of things from there. From the hours of the day to the degrees we measure the globe, from Astrology to full biblical sections, a large part of our culture comes straight from Mesopotamia.
As much elastic and acrobatic Eurocentric thought is, it has never explained why civilisation arose first in the Middle East and not in Europe. It has never explained why Ancient Egyptians for thousands of years were far ahead of any European group.
Yes it was. It is actually quite easy to understand. There are many theories. Most are related to the environment the civilizations arose in. That they arose because of the fertility of the area.
The oldest I've heard of is in the Middle East, and they always have evolved around specific rivers and the fertile areas around the rivers.
Of course, that's common knowledge, so I won't bother to find any links or anything.
There were pretty old "civilizations" in around the Balkan area or near there, though.
Also in central Europe, 7K years old.
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/7-5-2005-72654.asp
I don't know what exactly this has to do with "The Science of Eurocentric Thought", however?
EliasAlucard
2010-05-29, 15:00
OT-discusion split here (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=5327). This thread is about Eurocentrism.
//mod
paleolithic
2010-06-03, 11:03
Here's the issue: unlike with Europeans proper records and concern for the history of slave trading wasn't present among Arabs. However, I have never seen estimations less than around double the numbers for the Euroepan slave trade. You can deny this as Eurocentric drivel but one thing that can't be denied is that there are Muslims that still enslave Blacks. We got that whole Sudan shizzle going done. But I guess it's okay because they're Black Muslims.
During the heyday of transatlantic slave trade the scale of it was probably much larger than the scale of the Arab slave trade. And as I mentioned there are no proof that the total Arab slave trade involved more slaves than the transatlantic one. The only thing we know is that it lasted for a longer time.
Oh, and I have to laugh at the questioning of the "brutal" part. I guess the high death rate during the march across the Sahara was just accidental deaths by paper cuts.
Noone said that, but the death toll during the Atlantic slave trade was quite stunning, in many of the transports half of the slaves died. And the brutality against the slaves when they had arrived where also quite stunning. For example in Brazil many of the slaves just survived a year after they were put in “service”. Investigations (both historical and archaeological) in North America has also shown the extremely brutal treatment of the many slaves.
Yeah, that's why they threatened to attack Portuguese ships, which have been allies of the British since the 14th century (longest alliance ever). As if what occured in Angola had any effect on British economics. What gain was there to threaten Morocco?
Or perhaps it would have been best to menton how the "Scramble for Africa" occured seven decades or so after the British threatened such diverse nations as Turkey and Portugal with violent action if they didn't cease slave trading.
Do not forget that the british had economic interests in Africa also before the big scramble of Africa in late 19th century. Also one must see the banning of slavery as a part of a bigger fight for domination over the sea and over trade and resources between the British and other European powers. One can not reduce this questions to just a matter of the British being more humane than others. As in many other contexts economic and ideological factors worked together.
To say that Brits and other nations was so humane because they ended a slavery that they in the first place had instigated is just hypocritic.
As much elastic and acrobatic Eurocentric thought is, it has never explained why civilisation arose first in the Middle East and not in Europe. It has never explained why Ancient Egyptians for thousands of years were far ahead of any European group.
As well as the big three monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity & Islam. The other major ones are from Asia. Very influential.
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