USA:Interracial marriage still rising, but not as fast

[nomar6]

Interracial marriage still rising, but not as fast

By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer Hope Yen, Associated Press Writer – Wed May 26, 7:01 am ET


WASHINGTON – Melting pot or racial divide? The growth of interracial marriages is slowing among U.S.-born Hispanics and Asians. Still, blacks are substantially more likely than before to marry whites.

The number of interracial marriages in the U.S. has risen 20 percent since 2000 to about 4.5 million, according to the latest census figures. While still growing, that number is a marked drop-off from the 65 percent increase between 1990 and 2000.

About 8 percent of U.S. marriages are mixed-race, up from 7 percent in 2000.

The latest trend belies notions of the U.S. as a post-racial, assimilated society. Demographers cite a steady flow of recent immigration that has given Hispanics and Asians more ethnically similar partners to choose from while creating some social distance from whites due to cultural and language differences.

White wariness toward a rapidly growing U.S. minority population also may be contributing to racial divisions, experts said.

"Racial boundaries are not going to disappear anytime soon," said Daniel Lichter, a professor of sociology and public policy at Cornell University. He noted the increase in anti-immigrant sentiment in the U.S. after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks as well as current tensions in Arizona over its new immigration law.

"With a white backlash toward immigrant groups, some immigrants are more likely to turn inward to each other for support," Lichter said.

Broken down by race, about 40 percent of U.S.-born Asians now marry whites — a figure unchanged since 1980. Their likelihood of marrying foreign-born Asians, meanwhile, multiplied 3 times for men and 5 times for women, to roughly 20 percent.

Among U.S.-born Hispanics, marriages with whites increased modestly from roughly 30 percent to 38 percent over the past three decades. But when it came to marriages with foreign-born Hispanics, the share doubled — to 12.5 percent for men, and 17.1 percent for women.

About 14.4 percent of black men and 6.5 percent of black women are currently in such mixed marriages, due to higher educational attainment, a more racially integrated military and a rising black middle class that provides more interaction with other races.

Due to increasing interracial marriages, multiracial Americans are a small but fast-growing demographic group, making up about 5 percent of the minority population. Together with blacks, Hispanics and Asians, the Census Bureau estimates they collectively will represent a majority of the U.S. population by mid-century.


_Hawaii had the highest share of mixed marriages, about 32 percent. It was followed by Alaska, Oklahoma, New Mexico and Nevada, which ranged from 15 percent to 19 percent. The bottom five states were Pennsylvania, Maine, Kentucky, Mississippi and West Virginia, each ranging from 3 percent to 4 percent.

_Mixed marriages jumped from 2.25 million to 3.7 million, or 65 percent, from 1990-2000, as such unions became more broadly accepted in Southern states.

_Among U.S.-born whites, about 0.3 percent married blacks in 1980; that figure rose to about 1 percent in 2008. About 0.3 percent of whites married Asians in 1980 and about 1 percent in 2008. About 2 percent of whites married Hispanics in 1980, rising to about 3.6 percent in 2008.





Is the slowing down of interacial marriages good or bad?

So Hispanics make up 54.5% of all interacial marriages that marry whites.
Asians 35.7%
African-Americans 17.9%

[JackKnightstick]

People should stop looking at marriage, because 50% of Hispanics, about 25% of white Anglos, and 70% of blacks don't marry anymore to have children.

You should look at cohabitation with children. It would be most instructive to look at race of parents, but that information is not on birth certificates in much of America...

For example only 14% of black men who are married are married to a nonblack identified woman.

However over 20% of black males that live with a woman, are living with a non-black woman, I'm almost certain half of those folks have kids, because the out of wedlock birthrate is so high.

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Is the slowing down of interacial marriages good or bad?

So Hispanics make up 54.5% of all interacial marriages that marry whites.
Asians 35.7%
African-Americans 17.9%



Also, how many of those Hispanics are "white"? We have no clue.

[nomar6]

Also, how many of those Hispanics are "white"? We have no clue.


White hispanics are no more than 6%-7% of the hispanic population and most are Cuban. So very few are white.

[pinguin]

And Cubans are not even "Hispanics", but just a bunch of recent immigrants from Europe and Africa, trapped in Castro's paradyse.

[JackKnightstick]

White hispanics are no more than 6%-7% of the hispanic population and most are Cuban. So very few are white.

About 50% of Hispanics "claim" to be white though.

:lol:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Race


[quote]The complete 2007 Hispanic or Latino racial breakdown is as follows:[5][6] White 92% (official) or 54% (ACS); Black or African American 3.8% (official) or 1.5% (ACS); American Indian and Alaska Native 1.4% (official) or 0.8% (ACS); Asian 0.6% (official) or 0.3% (ACS); Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 0.3% (official) or 0.07% (ACS); Some other race 40% (ACS only; not an official race); Two or more races 0.6% (official) or 3.8% (ACS).[/quote

:lol:]


Yep half of those folks are definitely white...


http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060410/060410_protest_vlrg_8a.component.jpg

[pinguin]

What do you expect? That they mark Black?
They don't mark Amerindian, because for that you have to belong to a tribe. So?

[JackKnightstick]

How about more than one or "other"...on the census you can mark more than one box legally, that indicates mixed race.

[pinguin]

So what if they don't care for the "white" race. After all, in your countries mulatoes mark Black and mixed people mark White even before the Hispanics started to arrive in mass.
I remember when my country asked if the people was Indian, and everybody marked "yes".

Well, you people would never understand what is to make a joke to the census office.

You still believe in the government and like ships you answer everything you are asked.

[Malcolm Z]

And Cubans are not even "Hispanics", but just a bunch of recent immigrants from Europe and Africa, trapped in Castro's paradyse.

According to you doesn't Hispanic mean those descended from people from Hispania (in this case Spain)? So what makes Cubans non-Hispanic when compared to, let's say, Puerto Ricans or Dominicans?

[Iranian]

Traditionally, Iranian-American citizens have been, by default, tallied as "White"

This year, on the 2010 census, I marked "other" and wrote in "Persian"

Im too cool to be just "white" :lol:
jk

[pinguin]

According to you doesn't Hispanic mean those descended from people from Hispania (in this case Spain)? So what makes Cubans non-Hispanic when compared to, let's say, Puerto Ricans or Dominicans?

Yes, but reading the posts of "Lalo" I really wonder if there is any Hispanic spirit left in that Island. 50 years of commie brainwashing is too much :whoco:

[EiCibaeño]

How about more than one or "other"...on the census you can mark more than one box legally, that indicates mixed race.

Funny anecdote:

My dad filled out his census. He checks "other" and writes in Dominican and mails it in. They phone him as if he never sent it and ask him all the questions, taking up his time, and when asked the families race he says "Dominican". The person presses for more detail so my father settles for "light skinned Dominicans". They send someone to the house as if the first two never happened and someone takes up more of his time and goes over all the questions. When it came time she asked if we're Hispanic, he answered yes. Then she asked if she could put us down as White!:whoco: That just struck me as weird. He replied no, said "Dominican", and she seemed confused by it all (I don't necessarily blame her) and they had to settle at "light skinned Dominican" again.

So is the U.S. government trying to Whiten Hispanics?:lol: I instantly thought of Hispanics supposedly being put down as "Hispanic" when being victims of crime but listed as "White" when committing crimes (I never looked into this).

[pinguin]

It is so funny that gringos, that have treated Hispanics like s---t since 1840s, now need to count our peoples like "white" (in other terms, like gringos).

That's so ridiculous that make me laugh

[JackKnightstick]

Funny anecdote:

My dad filled out his census. He checks "other" and writes in Dominican and mails it in. They phone him as if he never sent it and ask him all the questions, taking up his time, and when asked the families race he says "Dominican". The person presses for more detail so my father settles for "light skinned Dominicans". They send someone to the house as if the first two never happened and someone takes up more of his time and goes over all the questions. When it came time she asked if we're Hispanic, he answered yes. Then she asked if she could put us down as White!:whoco: That just struck me as weird. He replied no, said "Dominican", and she seemed confused by it all (I don't necessarily blame her) and they had to settle at "light skinned Dominican" again.

So is the U.S. government trying to Whiten Hispanics?:lol: I instantly thought of Hispanics supposedly being put down as "Hispanic" when being victims of crime but listed as "White" when committing crimes (I never looked into this).

"light skinned Dominican":lol: Awesome.

I know for crime states, Hispanics are often classified as white if they do a crime, if they are a victim they are non-white.:lol:

[nomar6]

About 50% of Hispanics "claim" to be white though.

:lol:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans#Race


The complete 2007 Hispanic or Latino racial breakdown is as follows:[5][6] White 92% (official) or 54% (ACS); Black or African American 3.8% (official) or 1.5% (ACS); American Indian and Alaska Native 1.4% (official) or 0.8% (ACS); Asian 0.6% (official) or 0.3% (ACS); Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander 0.3% (official) or 0.07% (ACS); Some other race 40% (ACS only; not an official race); Two or more races 0.6% (official) or 3.8% (ACS)

:lol:]


Yep half of those folks are definitely white...


http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060410/060410_protest_vlrg_8a.component.jpg



Wrong! THE census don't have mestizo or mulato boxes to mark. 66% of hispanics are Mexican ancestry all mestizos, central americans most mestizos and majority obvious non white ,boricuas most are non white,Dominicans most non white,south americans most non white,cubans 2 million pop most white.

whites are marrying hispanics who are non white, example Gov Jeb Bush married A Mexican lady who is mestiza and Neil Bush married a Mexican-American mestiza to.

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It is so funny that gringos, that have treated Hispanics like s---t since 1840s, now need to count our peoples like "white" (in other terms, like gringos).

That's so ridiculous that make me laugh


The white population will be under 50% in 35 years.

[sgh]

The U.S. is heading for some major demographic changes in the next two generations. The white population is definitely doing some major recruiting from the Hispanic population; the next two generations of white Americans will be more Amerindian and Iberian; to add to their multi-ethnic European heritage. I would also say they're on their way to assimilating a major chunk of the Asian population. I'm sure after 2-3 generations of intermarriage with whites many of them will simply blend into that population. Blacks are doing some moderate recruiting from the white population. Since half/quarter black is still black in this country many of them will be assimilated by the black population. That 17-20% Euro contribution to their gene pool could shoot up to a third in the next few generations.

Edit: I think we're turning into Brazil...nothing wrong with that...they make some great porno lol

[JackKnightstick]

Wrong! THE census don't have mestizo or mulato boxes to mark. 66% of hispanics are Mexican ancestry all mestizos, central americans most mestizos and majority obvious non white ,boricuas most are non white,Dominicans most non white,south americans most non white,cubans 2 million pop most white.

whites are marrying hispanics who are non white, example Gov Jeb Bush married A Mexican lady who is mestiza and Neil Bush married a Mexican-American mestiza to.


The white population will be under 50% in 35 years.[/QUOTE]

You know, sometimes reading carefully answers all questions and prevents needless redundancy, which are annoying and time consuming.

I did not say it did.

I said, (RE READ) that you can legally mark more than one racial box.

The way it works is Hispanics can mark that as cultural group, but you also have to mark a race.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MARK MORE THAN ONE

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/raceqandas.html



"Two or more races. People may have chosen to provide two or more races either by checking two or more race response check boxes, by providing multiple write-in responses, or by some combination of check boxes and write-in responses."[10]

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68178.htm


They don't need a Mestizo or Mulatto box if you are intelligent enough to mark black and white or white and Native American.:lol:

As far as whites marry Hispanics who are non-white, that is obvious, ,your example of one, does not answer my question. What you consider white or non-white is your opinion that has no basis in reality when the government and others calculate statistics based off of census information. I have already showed you the census results, Hispanics, 52% mark WHITE. THat is reality. Determining who is and who is not white based on your belief, is unhelpful and meaningless.

Which is what percentage of Hispanics married to whites are non-white according to government tracking.

[Incanal]

You should look at cohabitation with children.

Exactly. That's what I'm doing now: I'm not looking for a wife but a good mother for my kids.

[Froll]

Funny anecdote:

My dad filled out his census. He checks "other" and writes in Dominican and mails it in. They phone him as if he never sent it and ask him all the questions, taking up his time, and when asked the families race he says "Dominican". The person presses for more detail so my father settles for "light skinned Dominicans". They send someone to the house as if the first two never happened and someone takes up more of his time and goes over all the questions. When it came time she asked if we're Hispanic, he answered yes. Then she asked if she could put us down as White!:whoco: That just struck me as weird. He replied no, said "Dominican", and she seemed confused by it all (I don't necessarily blame her) and they had to settle at "light skinned Dominican" again.

So is the U.S. government trying to Whiten Hispanics?:lol: I instantly thought of Hispanics supposedly being put down as "Hispanic" when being victims of crime but listed as "White" when committing crimes (I never looked into this).

I think they need the "white" number to hide the fact that the number really is decreasing heavily.

[EiCibaeño]

I think they need the "white" number to hide the fact that the number really is decreasing heavily.

That's sort of what I was hinting at, at least joking. Or more accurately trying to co-opt the rising "Hispanic" tide so that less mixed looking people will be White. Do I really believe this? Not really. I just found it at that we were basically asked if they can call us White.

It's a glorious time for anyone with OWD.:lol:

[Froll]

That's sort of what I was hinting at, at least joking. Or more accurately trying to co-opt the rising "Hispanic" tide so that less mixed looking people will be White. Do I really believe this? Not really. I just found it at that we were basically asked if they can call us White.

It's a glorious time for anyone with OWD.:lol:

I meant it seriously

People like Buchanan are constantly using the changing white statistic to scare people into their way of thinking, now you have a Democrat president and government, this is something that probably labours on their mind and the people are more paranoid in such affairs.

The tea party movement further complicates things

Hence, I think this might be an internal policy, a delibrate and "necessary" internal policy-it wouldn't surprise me if a year from now a memo is leaked.

[nomar6]

The U.S. is heading for some major demographic changes in the next two generations. The white population is definitely doing some major recruiting from the Hispanic population; the next two generations of white Americans will be more Amerindian and Iberian; to add to their multi-ethnic European heritage. I would also say they're on their way to assimilating a major chunk of the Asian population. I'm sure after 2-3 generations of intermarriage with whites many of them will simply blend into that population.

In 100 years the Southwest and California the majority of the people will be Mexican heritage, then whites ,then mixed race people of Mexican,white,and Asian combinations,then Asians.

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The white population will be under 50% in 35 years.

You know, sometimes reading carefully answers all questions and prevents needless redundancy, which are annoying and time consuming.

I did not say it did.

I said, (RE READ) that you can legally mark more than one racial box.

The way it works is Hispanics can mark that as cultural group, but you also have to mark a race.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO MARK MORE THAN ONE

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/2001/raceqandas.html




http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68178.htm


They don't need a Mestizo or Mulatto box if you are intelligent enough to mark black and white or white and Native American.:lol:

As far as whites marry Hispanics who are non-white, that is obvious, ,your example of one, does not answer my question. What you consider white or non-white is your opinion that has no basis in reality when the government and others calculate statistics based off of census information. I have already showed you the census results, Hispanics, 52% mark WHITE. THat is reality. Determining who is and who is not white based on your belief, is unhelpful and meaningless.

Which is what percentage of Hispanics married to whites are non-white according to government tracking.


I already told you white hispanics are 6-7% of the hispanic population most of them are Cuban. most whites marry mestizos.[mexicans]

[JackKnightstick]

nevermind

[Grasshoppa]

lol, i will never be a part of any marriage statistic, since I will likely never get married. the probability of my having children with a woman I love is likely 3 times as high as getting "married" which in all honesty holds no sort of value anymore.

[g-man]

The U.S. is heading for some major demographic changes in the next two generations. The white population is definitely doing some major recruiting from the Hispanic population; the next two generations of white Americans will be more Amerindian and Iberian; to add to their multi-ethnic European heritage. I would also say they're on their way to assimilating a major chunk of the Asian population. I'm sure after 2-3 generations of intermarriage with whites many of them will simply blend into that population. Blacks are doing some moderate recruiting from the white population. Since half/quarter black is still black in this country many of them will be assimilated by the black population. That 17-20% Euro contribution to their gene pool could shoot up to a third in the next few generations.

Edit: I think we're turning into Brazil...nothing wrong with that...they make some great porno lol

If, as the article claims, the growth of interracial marriages is slowing down, then it’s safe to assume that the growth will level off and decline sometime in the future.

As we become more multi-cultural/racial (as opposed to multi-ethnic), there will be less interracial marriage. Common cultural bonds and a scarcity of one’s fellow tribal members facilitate intermarriage. Having more of your own people around makes it less likely you’ll be stepping out of your comfort zone to engage in romantic encounters with people outside your tribe. Additionally, popular U.S. culture deifies diversity, which encourages maintaining one’s tribal uniqueness relative to others. More immigration and more cultural diversity do not lead to more interracial or interethnic marriage or cohabitation.

The U.S. color line will be with us for the time being. Consequently, I wouldn’t bet on the rate of black/white or non-black interracial marriage/cohabitation significantly increasing. There may be a slight increase, though, in the black female out marriage rate. In the future you will see more black female/white or non-black male couples than you see currently.

In the future the U.S. will be like Brazil only in terms of economic inequality.

[sgh]

In 100 years the Southwest and California the majority of the people will be Mexican heritage, then whites ,then mixed race people of Mexican,white,and Asian combinations,then Asians.

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I already told you white hispanics are 6-7% of the hispanic population most of them are Cuban. most whites marry mestizos.[mexicans]

Many Mexicans will be assimilated into the white population and will identify as whites. This is already happening. This is really the only way that the white population will grow in the next generation; and yes mixed race people will be a larger category of people in the future.

[g-man]

Related to the topic and the article (couldn't get the tables to diplay properly within the text)

http://pqvarus.wordpress.com/


By the numbers: Interracial Mating in America


by levi johnston
With the search terms like “black breeding white women” directing hits to my post Interracial Breeding: White Women every day, I can only assume people are legitimately curious about this subject beyond the pornographic aspect. My other post Interracial breeding: Indian chicks was popular with In Mala Fide readers.

I decided to go ahead and post the data on all groups interracial breeding habits.
These numbers are from the CDC’s 2006 Natality Detail File, which is probably more reliable than the US Census, as it purports to collected data from birth certificates on every single birth which occurred in the United States in that year. I suspect in cases of disputed paternity or most teenage pregnancies, information on the father is not available and his race is reported as ‘unknown’. The race of the mother is in bold.


Race/Ethnicity of Mother Race of father (%)
Hispanic white black NonHis.Other unknown
white 4.7 81.3 2.6 1.7 9.7
Mexican 78.5 6.4 1.4 0.8 12.9
black 1.8 2.7 58.1 0.8 36.6
Cuban 69.8 18.6 3 0.9 9.6
Puerto Rican 54 14.6 11.7 2.1 17.7


While every state asks about the Hispanic ancestry of the mother and father, it seems that only half of all mothers that year lived in states which record data on specific Asian ancestry – who are nationally grouped into the “other” category with Native Americans.


Race/Ethnicity of Mother Race of father (%)
Hispanic white black NonHis.Other unknown
Chinese 2.2 12.1 0.7 79.5 5.5
Vietnamese 2.7 13.1 0.8 74.6 8.8
Filipino 9 27.2 4.5 52.8 6.5
Japanese 7.5 35.8 4.6 49 3.1
Indian 1.7 4.7 1.1 89.3 3.2


The term “Non-Hispanic Other” represents all Asian ethnicities and Native Americans. 45% of Filipinos report having a Filipino father. Only 32.6% of Japanese mothers report having a Japanese partner, they are by far the most exogamous group.

Female Hypergamy?
My main reason for investigating this issue was to find evidence of so-called “female hypergamy” on a national scale. However, I was quickly discouraged when I found that for an alarming percentage of mothers, the race of their child’s father was ‘unknown’ (though as you’ll notice, these percentages aren’t quite as high as illegitimacy rates). With white women, I hypothesized that a heavily disproportionate portion of unknown father category would be black and Hispanic due to educational differences between white mothers who reproduced with different groups. But with Indian women, it appeared that those who reproduced exogamously were actually better educated than those with Indian men.

You can find some evidence of female hypergamy with Asian groups however. From the overall births (here and here) 4518 Korean women gave birth while only 3501 women reported having Korean men as fathers. This suggests that unless a sizeable population of Korean men are running around and knocking up women in trailer parks/inner-city and disappearing, Korean men are losing the reproductive battle with men of other races.

The real “black breeding”
Random googlers may be disappointed to find that Black men don’t appear to be sexually outcompeting peckerwoods with white women or other minorities – even Puerto Ricans. I was also surprised that it appears that white women and other minorities prefer Hispanic men over blacks (Though I would guess in the case of illegitimate offspring, perhaps identifying the father as white/Hispanic is more acceptable for some?)

If we were genuinely curious about how much women of a certain race preferred men of another race, looking at the overall percentages would be deceptive as different cultures put varying amounts pressure on their female members to search for mates within the group. The best sort of analysis would be to compare how non-group members do relative to other non-group members.
White women, for example, are 1.77 times more likely to report reproducing with a Hispanic than a black. That ratio for Chinese women is 3.14, Filipino women at 2.0, and Vietnamese women at 3.4. The ratio is lowest for Indian women at 1.5.

Cuban women are 6.2 times more likely to report reproducing with a white male than a black. That ratio for Chinese women is 17.2, Vietnamese women at 6.0, and Mexican women at 4.6. The ratio is lowest for Indian women at 4.2. I left out Puerto Ricans as they have heavy black ancestry.
These ratios imply that Indian women (if they are in the mood to be exogamous) are more likely to “hook-up” with black men than women of other races. Given that Indians and blacks are at polar opposites of the socioeconomic spectrum, this is somewhat interesting.

UPDATE 04/15/10: TheAsianofReason asked about the statistical significance of my assertions. While the sample sizes are fairly large, there were 18k Chinese and Indian mothers each, they may be susceptible the geographic bias (eg. perhaps New Jersey Indians are more prone to miscegenation with blacks than Arizona Indians?).

Crunching the numbers from the available data, I found that Indians were significantly more like to reproduce with black men than Chinese women (χ2=19.44, p<0.001) and significantly less likely than reproduce with white men than Mexican mothers. I don’t know how to check the proportions though. Two-proportion confidence interval maybe?

[Ubirajara]

I wonder what will be the developments of the strongly increasing diversity of the US. Because the US was built under the guidance of the "white race" ideological thing. I don't see European Americans disappearing anytime soon, the situation may get very tense (as the percentage of "white Americans" is falling at a dramatic rate), who knows what will happen, but "racial identity" is too much important for too many Americans. Unfortunately we won't see enough: to do it one should be able to live at least over a hundred years from now.

[sgh]

If, as the article claims, the growth of interracial marriages is slowing down, then it’s safe to assume that the growth will level off and decline sometime in the future.

As we become more multi-cultural/racial (as opposed to multi-ethnic), there will be less interracial marriage. Common cultural bonds and a scarcity of one’s fellow tribal members facilitate intermarriage. Having more of your own people around makes it less likely you’ll be stepping out of your comfort zone to engage in romantic encounters with people outside your tribe. Additionally, popular U.S. culture deifies diversity, which encourages maintaining one’s tribal uniqueness relative to others. More immigration and more cultural diversity do not lead to more interracial or interethnic marriage or cohabitation.

The U.S. color line will be with us for the time being. Consequently, I wouldn’t bet on the rate of black/white or non-black interracial marriage/cohabitation significantly increasing. There may be a slight increase, though, in the black female out marriage rate. In the future you will see more black female/white or non-black male couples than you see currently.

In the future the U.S. will be like Brazil only in terms of economic inequality.

As somebody mentioned above you also need to look at the cohabitation rate...that is not declining and children do result from these unions. In any case the intermarriage rate, even if it stays the same or declines slightly, is still high for American born Asians and Hispanics. Even if there are more of your people around, those born in the U.S. and their kids (3rd genration) often find the newcomers different from them and decide to marry out of their group. If you look at American born Asians and Hispanics an almost equal percentage either marry other American born Asians and Hispanics or they marry white Americans...only a smaller percentage marry recent immigrants. Even with the deifying of multiculturalism, significant cultural differences are there between recent immigrants and those born in the states, esp. if we're talking about 3rd/4th generation. They are more likely to marry whites than to marry recent immigrants. The color line will be with us but it won't be the harsh barrier that it once was. Economic inequality in this country has a lot to do with the structure of our economy and less to do with race. In any case, if we continue to grow at 2-3% a year everybody should be better off in the next generation, even the poorest Americans.

[nomar6]

Many Mexicans will be assimilated into the white population and will identify as whites. This is already happening.

LA county and the other Southern California counties are between 40-50% latino most of Mexican heritage and it continues to grow while the white pop. declines in tis part of the country. Mexican mixes will assimilate with whites were their is few mexican people.

Most white Mexican- whites mixes identify more with their Mexican side in the Southwest,California. A ll the ones i know hanged out with Mexican and their Mexican cousins.



This is really the only way that the white population will grow in the next generation;



Maybe, but the inter racial marraiges is slowing down and is still very low.

[JackKnightstick]

is this guy "white" or Mexican?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/18/alg_kensalazar.jpg

His name is Senator Ken Salazar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Salazar

From Colorado.

They are not mutually exclusive terms, if they were they would not ask on the census what race you are even if you are Hispanic.

[jonboyclem]

I wonder what will be the developments of the strongly increasing diversity of the US. Because the US was built under the guidance of the "white race" ideological thing. I don't see European Americans disappearing anytime soon, the situation may get very tense (as the percentage of "white Americans" is falling at a dramatic rate), who knows what will happen, but "racial identity" is too much important for too many Americans. Unfortunately we won't see enough: to do it one should be able to live at least over a hundred years from now.

The whole "white race" ideology has fell into irrelevance in the 50 years with the majority of European Americans, and only the fringe groups like the Minutemen and Tea Party make a small percentage of racialist Whites in the US. European American's don't even think of race the same way like other non-European ethnic groups.

[nomar6]

is this guy "white" or Mexican?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/12/18/alg_kensalazar.jpg

His name is Senator Ken Salazar:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Salazar

From Colorado.

They are not mutually exclusive terms, if they were they would not ask on the census what race you are even if you are Hispanic.


his brother congressman John Salazar
http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Interior+Secretary+Designate+Salazar+Testifies+AiI nHKbTBXxl.jpg
:evilgrin:

American government is stupid when it comes to classify race.
it should have mestizo,mulato on census forms.

[JackKnightstick]

The whole "white race" ideology has fell into irrelevance in the 50 years with the majority of European Americans, and only the fringe groups like the Minutemen and Tea Party make a small percentage of racialist Whites in the US. European American's don't even think of race the same way like other non-European ethnic groups.

That's because when you are the majority, you don't need to.

Lets see what happens when every other person on the street is nonwhite and their is no where to "white flight too"...I bet some of that will change in more than a few locations.

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The whole "white race" ideology has fell into irrelevance in the 50 years with the majority of European Americans, and only the fringe groups like the Minutemen and Tea Party make a small percentage of racialist Whites in the US. European American's don't even think of race the same way like other non-European ethnic groups.

I also think what you have to understand is many of the whites who appear to be fringe groups and racialized in America (like the Storm Front groups, a few of the Tea Party types, etc) are lower middle class to poor.

This is all a "white class issue". Wealthier whites live in areas that have few minorities to 0 minorities, but they tend to look down on lower class whites who can't afford to move away from minority ghettos as "racists" but in reality those same elite whites move as far away from "diversity" as possible, but for a few Asians, and some Mexican and Chinese restaurants to bring some flare... This goes back to my point above. Most whites are still comfortable, because they still live in a world that is mostly white.

I live in Virginia, in a fairly affluent country, it is about 20% Asian (mostly Korean and Indian), about 12% black, maybe 6-8% Hispanic (mostly Salvadorans, they usually live in low rent subsidized apartments in fringe areas and perform blue collar labor work). The rest are white.

Well is white (but there are some Arabs in that white number who stand out and are not really treated as white), so you have about 60% white or so.

Imagine if it was 30% white. You think more whites would not become racialized? I bet they would.

[sgh]

LA county and the other Southern California counties are between 40-50% latino most of Mexican heritage and it continues to grow while the white pop. declines in tis part of the country. Mexican mixes will assimilate with whites were their is few mexican people.

Most white Mexican- whites mixes identify more with their Mexican side in the Southwest,California. A ll the ones i know hanged out with Mexican and their Mexican cousins.




Maybe, but the inter racial marraiges is slowing down and is still very low.

Yeah I think when it comes to LA a good chunk of the white population will assimilate into the Hispanic, mainly Mexican, population. But even if Mexicans and half-white Mexicans still identify as Mexicans ethnically, I think a lot of them are choosing to identify as white racially. This is why I said whites will be recruiting from the Hispanic population...the white population will grow because so many Mexicans and Hispanics are choosing to declare themselves white racially. As for intermarriage, all the stats I've seen show ~1/3 intermarriage rate for Mexicans born in the U.S....I'm sure it's the same for other Hispanic groups. So I'm not sure if I'd call it low.

[nomar6]

Yeah I think when it comes to LA a good chunk of the white population will assimilate into the Hispanic, mainly Mexican, population. But even if Mexicans and half-white Mexicans still identify as Mexicans ethnically, I think a lot of them are choosing to identify as white racially. This is why I said whites will be recruiting from the Hispanic population...the white population will grow because so many Mexicans and Hispanics are choosing to declare themselves white racially. As for intermarriage, all the stats I've seen show ~1/3 intermarriage rate for Mexicans born in the U.S....I'm sure it's the same for other Hispanic groups. So I'm not sure if I'd call it low.


Mexicans don't declare themselves as white.The census doesn't have a mestizo box . Mexican-Americans would never consider themselves white.
Im Mexican-American i know how we view ourselves. We consider 'Mexican' AS A race.

Thats why their is many brown pride sites.


Half Mexican -whites who grow up in mostly white areas and who look white most likely say they are white like Katherine Bach ,Linda Carter.

[pinguin]

Latinos get along quite well with Anglosaxons. At least, we are not the ones that start discriminating. The mentality is different, though, but the gringo addapts quickly.

[sgh]

Mexicans don't declare themselves as white.The census doesn't have a mestizo box . Mexican-Americans would never consider themselves white.
Im Mexican-American i know how we view ourselves. We consider 'Mexican' AS A race.

Thats why their is many brown pride sites.


Half Mexican -whites who grow up in mostly white areas and who look white most likely say they are white like Katherine Bach ,Linda Carter.

I know the census doesn't have a mestizo box lol...I'm not denying that Mexicans are proud of their heritage but I think many of them do identify themselves as white...I don't know about the 2010 census, but in 2000 47.3% identified as white, followed by those who identified as "some other race".

[KRANG]

Whites in US will get more swarthsy and mixed in the future, just like blacks in US are mixed.

By the way al hispanics are either part white or mostley white, i guess most are mestisoz, but they are still atleast part white.
By the way hispanic chicks are fucking hot.

[Willy]

Traditionally, Iranian-American citizens have been, by default, tallied as "White"

This year, on the 2010 census, I marked "other" and wrote in "Persian"

Im too cool to be just "white" :lol:
jk

Arent Persians just white caucasians :)

[Dean]

Traditionally, Iranian-American citizens have been, by default, tallied as "White"

This year, on the 2010 census, I marked "other" and wrote in "Persian"

Im too cool to be just "white" :lol:
jk

When I got my American drivers license I saw the instructor (black woman) put my race down as white without even asking me, which I found a bit odd. I don't know about Iranians, but I do know all Greeks and Armenians are considered white on any US government form I've seen. I suppose like Turks, its tough to define near-Eastern people. The world isnt as simple as "Black, White, Arab and Asian" as some seem to think it is.

[JackKnightstick]

When I got my American drivers license I saw the instructor (black woman) put my race down as white without even asking me, which I found a bit odd. I don't know about Iranians, but I do know all Greeks and Armenians are considered white on any US government form I've seen. I suppose like Turks, its tough to define near-Eastern people. The world isnt as simple as "Black, White, Arab and Asian" as some seem to think it is.

All Middle Eastern and North Africans are considered white by the U.S. census (including Iranians).

Even this black Egyptians was considered white, he sued the government.:lol:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_n5_v92/ai_19543513/

A picture:

http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/k16kl3c2f2au/3wrugc/c14-15.jpg



His suit targets directive No. 15 of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget, which defines Blacks as having origins with the Black racial groups of Africa and Whites as having origins with original peoples of Europe, the Middle East and North Africa, including Egypt.

Hefny, a naturalized U.S. citizen, said his hair is kinkier, his completion is darker and his features are more African than Blacks such as Detroit Mayor Dennis Archer and retired Gen. Colin Powell. "I was born and raised in Africa and they were not," he said. "And yet they are classified as Black and I am classified as White." No court date had been set for the lawsuit.

However, although some Levant and lighter Middle Easterns will likely be treated as white on the streets of America, Osama Bin Laden and Gulf Arabs who look like him will not. Sometimes the government census does not reflect social reality.

[g-man]

As somebody mentioned above you also need to look at the cohabitation rate...that is not declining and children do result from these unions. In any case the intermarriage rate, even if it stays the same or declines slightly, is still high for American born Asians and Hispanics. Even if there are more of your people around, those born in the U.S. and their kids (3rd genration) often find the newcomers different from them and decide to marry out of their group.

Your people don't have to be immigrants. They can be American-born. As the Hispanic and Asian population increases on, say, the west coast, their communities' size will also increase. Consequently, there will be more in-group members to marry.


If you look at American born Asians and Hispanics an almost equal percentage either marry other American born Asians and Hispanics or they marry white Americans...only a smaller percentage marry recent immigrants. Even with the deifying of multiculturalism, significant cultural differences are there between recent immigrants and those born in the states, esp. if we're talking about 3rd/4th generation. They are more likely to marry whites than to marry recent immigrants.

As their communities' size increases, whites will be compelled to leave; first the prole whites then eventually the wealthier ones. Blacks who can afford to leave will do so as well. This is already happening in California. This reduces the number of whites who could be marriage or cohabitation partners. Your statement above assumes that immigration-illegal and legal-from Mexico or Asia will trail off and whites will remain stationary.



The color line will be with us but it won't be the harsh barrier that it once was. Economic inequality in this country has a lot to do with the structure of our economy and less to do with race. In any case, if we continue to grow at 2-3% a year everybody should be better off in the next generation, even the poorest Americans.

The color line I'm referring to is the one between blacks and whites. That's the only one in our society. That is not going anywhere.

What is emerging in our society is not a white/non-white divide but a black/non-black one.

And our society will be more pyramid shaped in the future but not as miscegenated as many people hope.


The whole "white race" ideology has fell into irrelevance in the 50 years with the majority of European Americans, and only the fringe groups like the Minutemen

There are black Minutemen...

[Malcolm Z]

The color line I'm referring to is the one between blacks and whites. That's the only one in our society. That is not going anywhere.

What is emerging in our society is not a white/non-white divide but a black/non-black one.


Do you really think so? There seems to be more racial lines coming up as important, specially in places where Latinos are numerous (like the West Coast). I don't know if Latinos or Asians will be really accepted by Whites. Nevertheless, I don't think these groups will accept Blacks as a big coloured family either. I think there will be more divisions, with both race and class playing a part.

[nomar6]

I know the census doesn't have a mestizo box lol...I'm not denying that Mexicans are proud of their heritage but I think many of them do identify themselves as white...I don't know about the 2010 census, but in 2000 47.3% identified as white, followed by those who identified as "some other race".


Believe me Mexican-Americans don't identify as white.

How many Gringos identify as Mexican-Americans?

[jonboyclem]

Do you really think so? There seems to be more racial lines coming up as important, specially in places where Latinos are numerous (like the West Coast). I don't know if Latinos or Asians will be really accepted by Whites. Nevertheless, I don't think these groups will accept Blacks as a big coloured family either. I think there will be more divisions, with both race and class playing a part.

Over here in So Cal, Asians are already accepted by Whites for the most part, as the most common interracial relationships by far are between White men and Asian women here, and the Whites and Asians tend to live in the same neighborhoods. But Latinos have become the new "niggers" and are the most disliked ethnic group on the West Coast even more than us Blacks. I hear very racist things said by almost everyone about Latinos(especially Mexicans) all the time here in LA.


Originally Posted by g-man View Post

The color line I'm referring to is the one between blacks and whites. That's the only one in our society. That is not going anywhere.

What is emerging in our society is not a white/non-white divide but a black/non-black one.

I think the color line will be blurred into a collective white(Euro Americans, East Asians, Arabs) and collective black(Afro Americans, Latinos, Southeast Asians). This is what I see in So Cal, and the rest of the United States will probally look like this in the next 50 years.

[JackKnightstick]

Over here in So Cal, Asians are already accepted by Whites for the most part, as the most common interracial relationships by far are between White men and Asian women here, and the Whites and Asians tend to live in the same neighborhoods. But Latinos have become the new "niggers" and are the most disliked ethnic group on the West Coast even more than us Blacks. I hear very racist things said by almost everyone about Latinos(especially Mexicans) all the time here in LA.



I think the color line will be blurred into a collective white(Euro Americans, East Asians, Arabs) and collective black(Afro Americans, Latinos, Southeast Asians). This is what I see in So Cal, and the rest of the United States will probally look like this in the next 50 years.

When I lived in Texas, I heard a lot of anti-Hispanic rhetoric from whites, but it was very specific to new immigrants. It was not usually directed at Tejanos (Mexicans born in Texas or had been there generations. I did not think intermarriage with them and whites were tha thigh, not in Houston. It seemed everyone self segregated (including Asians, blacks, etc). The most common interracial couples were Asians and whites. I rarely saw a Hispanic guy with a none Hispanic woman, but I did see some women with white guys or black guys.

Asians, it was almost always an Asian woman and a white guy (sometimes black guy, but usually the Asians with the blacks were FIlipino, whereas the Vietnamese and Chinese were almost always with whites or their own ethnic group).

Here is DC I see a lot more mixing, but I still don't see Hispanics with a lot of nonHispanics.

I get the feeling that in many areas of the country Hispanics who are new immigrants tend to stay with their own for language and cultural issues. I am guessing in Cali and maybe Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico (where most Hispanics are) the situation is different.

In my area outside of DC you see far more black/white couples than Hispanic/white couples (but I'm not sure who is married to who and also blacks in the DC area are wealthier on average than other areas and more numerous than Hispanics by far...so this is likely a bias sample...

[nomar6]

But Latinos have become the new "niggers" and are the most disliked ethnic group on the West Coast even more than us Blacks. I hear very racist things said by almost everyone about Latinos(especially Mexicans) all the time here in LA.

And you think nobody says racist stuff about blacks?:evilgrin:

blacks are dead last in interacial marraiges,that should tell you something.




I think the color line will be blurred into a collective white(Euro Americans, East Asians, Arabs) and collective black(Afro Americans, Latinos, Southeast Asians). This is what I see in So Cal, and the rest of the United States will probally look like this in the next 50 years.

In the west Coast latinos will never be in the collective black category. It will be over here Majority Mexican population ,whites and Asians.Blacks will be no more than 2%,they are 6% in CALIFORNIA.

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I rarely saw a Hispanic guy with a none Hispanic woman, but I did see some women with white guys or black guys.


lol, Hispanic males with white females is the same ratio as hispanic females with white males. Same ratio.

[JackKnightstick]

And you think nobody says racist stuff about blacks?:evilgrin:

blacks are dead last in interacial marraiges,that should tell you something.





In the west Coast latinos will never be in the collective black category. It will be over here Majority Mexican population ,whites and Asians.Blacks will be no more than 2%,they are 6% in CALIFORNIA.

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lol, Hispanic males with white females is the same ratio as hispanic females with white males. Same ratio.

I didn't say it wasn't, if you weren't so quick to "react" and actually read and think, instead of trying to spread your ideology, learn, instead of make a point or thinking about what you are going to say next.

I said specifically this is what I OBSERVED in specific AREAS, and I then stated this likely IS NOT the case in places with more Hispanics out west.

I guess I'm just expecting to much...:|


It seems to me you are a dumb ass moron who is more into dissing black people and showing how great Mexicans are that they can fuck some trashy low rent white folks, then you are interested in the social phenomenon that is occurring in the United States and the ramifications.

Grow the fuck up.

It gets very old.

Either you are all about spreading propaganda, trying to prove something to others, your self, or you are dumb as a fucking brick.

In any case learn when to STFU and listen. You really act like a fucking child. Then again you probably, or just have the mental age of one.

How many times have I had to correct your dumb ass because you are either illiterate or have ADDH when reading something?

Unlike you I am secure and don't need to prove anything to anyone, nor am I repping blacks or care to.

I'm speaking specifically about the issue and you want to cheer-lead like a little bitch.

[g-man]

Do you really think so? There seems to be more racial lines coming up as important, specially in places where Latinos are numerous (like the West Coast). I don't know if Latinos or Asians will be really accepted by Whites. Nevertheless, I don't think these groups will accept Blacks as a big coloured family either. I think there will be more divisions, with both race and class playing a part.

You are actually agreeing with me......What I mean is, and I should have been more specific, is that in some circles there is the assumption that there is a “them” (whites) and “us” (people of color). As we become more diverse, it is apparent that the historical black/white endogamous color line will morph into a non-black/black one.

Hispanics (Mexicans being the largest of the bunch) and Asians when they do marry or cohabitate with someone outside their group are more likely to choose a white person as opposed to black person. Even if they are not interested in intermarrying or cohabitating with whites or each other, they are less interested in doing so with blacks. Hence, the endogamous color line will remain intact in the future, with much interracial drama (e.g. tribal competition for cultural and economic supremacy and influence, etc.) on the non-black side of the color line.

The future will find African Americans actually becoming more inconsequential and crowded out as ethnic, racial, and cultural diversity transform the U.S. cultural landscape, and other tribes with their own social concerns start flexing the political and economic muscles. Miami is a good example of this.


I think the color line will be blurred into a collective white(Euro Americans, East Asians, Arabs) and collective black(Afro Americans, Latinos, Southeast Asians). This is what I see in So Cal, and the rest of the United States will probally look like this in the next 50 years.

In California perhaps...Nationally this will not be the case. I'd still be interested in Afro Am/Asian and Afro Am/Chicano intermarriage numbers. California will be an outlier IMO due to the relatively small African American population. We also have to look at the gender imbalance as well-more black men than black women intermarrying in CA.

[nomar6]

I didn't say it wasn't, if you weren't so quick to "react" and actually read and think, instead of trying to spread your ideology, learn, instead of make a point or thinking about what you are going to say next.

I said specifically this is what I OBSERVED in specific AREAS, and I then stated this likely IS NOT the case in places with more Hispanics out west.

I guess I'm just expecting to much...:|

I agreed with you here and even thanked you until



It seems to me you are a dumb ass moron who is more into dissing black people and showing how great Mexicans are that they can fuck some trashy low rent white folks, then you are interested in the social phenomenon that is occurring in the United States and the ramifications.

Grow the fuck up.

It gets very old.

Either you are all about spreading propaganda, trying to prove something to others, your self, or you are dumb as a fucking brick.

In any case learn when to STFU and listen. You really act like a fucking child. Then again you probably, or just have the mental age of one.


i removed my thank you here. you sound upset?

[Alto Impacto]

Over here in So Cal, Asians are already accepted by Whites for the most part, as the most common interracial relationships by far are between White men and Asian women here, and the Whites and Asians tend to live in the same neighborhoods. But Latinos have become the new "niggers" and are the most disliked ethnic group on the West Coast even more than us Blacks. I hear very racist things said by almost everyone about Latinos(especially Mexicans) all the time here in LA.



I think the color line will be blurred into a collective white(Euro Americans, East Asians, Arabs) and collective black(Afro Americans, Latinos, Southeast Asians). This is what I see in So Cal, and the rest of the United States will probally look like this in the next 50 years.

We're the new niggers because we don't want to adapt, the average Mexican shows no respect for Anglo culture and would speak in a broken Engrish/Spanglish in front of Americans even if he knows how to speak English flawlessly. When I'm in the USA I do it to piss off people. And the subcultures they have don't help either (Cholos, Pachucos) So basically yes, we're new niggers, but a different king of nigger than you :evilgrin: You have been like 200 years in the USA and you're still disliked (I really don't understand the reason why whites still dislike you, but it's obvious they still do) while lots of Mexicans are illegals (or rather the descendants of them)

[jonboyclem]

).


I get the feeling that in many areas of the country Hispanics who are new immigrants tend to stay with their own for language and cultural issues. I am guessing in Cali and maybe Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico (where most Hispanics are) the situation is different.


This is what I tend to see in Cali too. The over the border Latinos usually stick with thier own, while the Chicanos will be in mixed relationships with Blacks and Whites but I've never seen an Asian/Latino relationship here.


=Nomar6]And you think nobody says racist stuff about blacks?

blacks are dead last in interacial marraiges,that should tell you something.

It's not as much as I hear about Latinos, I hear White folk talking about "Wetbacks" and not wanting to live around Latinos all the time, and a lot of White flight happened when alot of Latinos moved in to predominitly White areas like the map shows in the changes between 1960 and 2000.



http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/01/la1960.jpg

http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2005/01/la2000.jpg


Like JackKnightStick said, a significant number of Black Men are in relationships with women who are not Black. It it don't take marriage to make babies as most mixed with Black babies are born out of wedlock anyways.

[Alto Impacto]

I wonder how many babies Chicanos have out of wedlock? I heard that was a problem between them in some neighborhoods.

[JackKnightstick]

I wonder how many babies Chicanos have out of wedlock? I heard that was a problem between them in some neighborhoods.

It's about 50% for Hispanics as a whole, I bet for Chicanos in some areas it is higher, as they are poor. Then again I'm not sure how it will balance if you remove PRs and Domincans, which have a very high rate of this in the Northeast, probably higher than Hispanics (mostly Tejanos) I saw in Texas.

I think sometimes, a lot of folks don't get "legally married" so the husband can work some construction job for cash and the woman can collect welfare.

I have seen this in Texas, but these aren't "chicanos or tejanos" they are recent immigrants (legal and illegal).

[Alto Impacto]

It's about 50%.

I have a cousin in Texas married to a an Afram girl and an aunt married to a white (German) dude.

I think those out of wedlock rates affect more those who aren't so well off

[jonboyclem]

We're the new niggers because we don't want to adapt, the average Mexican shows no respect for Anglo culture and would speak in a broken Engrish/Spanglish in front of Americans even if he knows how to speak English flawlessly. When I'm in the USA I do it to piss off people. And the subcultures they have don't help either (Cholos, Pachucos) So basically yes, we're new niggers, but a different king of nigger than you :evilgrin: You have been like 200 years in the USA and you're still disliked (I really don't understand the reason why whites still dislike you, but it's obvious they still do) while lots of Mexicans are illegals (or rather the descendants of them)

It's because White Americans are still mostly separated from Black Americans and we still don't really know each other and think off of stereotypes most of the time.

[JackKnightstick]

I agreed with you here and even thanked you until





i removed my thank you here. you sound upset?

Upset, is a strong word, more like annoyed, at your inability to discuss an issue on its merits without having to cheer lead and preach propaganda. If you want to do that make a thread to do that, why fuck up this thread with that bullshit, people are trying to seriously discuss an issue and your dumb as is writing idiotic responses based on the fact you can't even fucking read or are being purposefully ignorant.

Is that how you get your rocks off?

[nomar6]

This is what I tend to see in Cali too. The over the border Latinos usually stick with thier own, while the Chicanos will be in mixed relationships with Blacks and Whites but I've never seen an Asian/Latino relationship here.

Mexican-American when they date or intermarry is mostly with whites then Asians.

my brother is married with A Japanese women ,my cousin is living with a chinese lady and a few friends have asian girl friends. You need to get out of South central LA ,your ghetto isn't typical So Calif.




It's not as much as I hear about Latinos, I hear White folk talking about "Wetbacks" and not wanting to live around Latinos all the time, and a lot of White flight happened when alot of Latinos moved in to predominitly White areas like the map shows in the changes between 1960 and 2000.

And you think whites don't talk bad about blacks? i live around whites you don't. I know what they say about blacks. I just ignore the racist stuff they say about blacks. Whites don't want to live around blacks.

Outside LA ,whites live among Mexicans. It's common.

And the racist White nazi lowriders have Chicano members who go beat up blacks.

And don't forget the white prison gang aryan brootherhood have alliances with chicanos ,when they beat up blacks. yeah i guess whites are more cool with blacks than with mexicans.

[Alto Impacto]

It's because White Americans are still mostly separated from Black Americans and we still don't really know each other and think off of stereotypes most of the time.

And don't you think it's the same with Mexicans which have grown to be basically insignificant to be over 30% of Califas? Speak a foreign language? Different religion? Yet the ones who stay for more generations tend to adapt more. It's usually first 2 generations or 3 that they are troubly.

[jonboyclem]

It seems to me you are a dumb ass moron who is more into dissing black people and showing how great Mexicans are that they can fuck some trashy low rent white folks, then you are interested in the social phenomenon that is occurring in the United States and the ramifications.

Grow the fuck up.

It gets very old.

Either you are all about spreading propaganda, trying to prove something to others, your self, or you are dumb as a fucking brick

Nomar's always trying to prove that Afro-Latinos are more mixed than African Americans to seperate them from the other New World African descendants like we really give a fuck who did more raping during slavery.


And don't you think it's the same with Mexicans which have grown to be basically insignificant to be over 30% of Califas? Speak a foreign language? Different religion? Yet the ones who stay for more generations tend to adapt more. It's usually first 2 generations or 3 that they are troubly.

Chicanos are diverse in this regard. Some have assimilated more to the mainstream American culture, while a lot created thier own Mexican American culture thats separate from mainstream American culture like in East Los Angeles where Chicanos have lived since the Los Angeles grew in the early 1900's.




Not all was rape during slavery. Mestizos in Latin American countries had relationships with Blacks too, that's why in some places tri-racials are more common than Mulattos.

It's because there were alot more Natives in Latin American than in North America. Besides that, the Iberians had an ideology of to blend peoples together into a nationality, while the Anglos were more into separating themselves from non Anglos, this is a basic pattern of all English settlement countries.

[Alto Impacto]

Nomar's always trying to prove that Afro-Latinos are more mixed than African Americans to seperate them from the other New World African descendants like we really give a fuck who did more raping during slavery.

Not all was rape during slavery. Mestizos in Latin American countries had relationships with Blacks too, that's why in some places tri-racials are more common than Mulattos. While there were some Mestizos that owned slaves, they by far weren't anything close to a majority.

[nomar6]

I wonder how many babies Chicanos have out of wedlock? I heard that was a problem between them in some neighborhoods.

It's a more of a problem with the barrio chicanos -Mexicans.

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Nomar's always trying to prove that Afro-Latinos are more mixed than African Americans to seperate them from the other New World African descendants like we really give a fuck who did more raping during slavery.

Dude im not going to discuss this topic on this thread. Make up a thread if you want to talk about it.

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It's about 50% for Hispanics as a whole, I bet for Chicanos in some areas it is higher, as they are poor.

Chicanos are middle to working class.




I have seen this in Texas, but these aren't "chicanos or tejanos" they are recent immigrants (legal and illegal).

Tejano is a Mexican-American -Chicano who was born in Texas. Illegal mexicans are not chicanos or tejanos.

[sgh]

Your people don't have to be immigrants. They can be American-born. As the Hispanic and Asian population increases on, say, the west coast, their communities' size will also increase. Consequently, there will be more in-group members to marry.



As their communities' size increases, whites will be compelled to leave; first the prole whites then eventually the wealthier ones. Blacks who can afford to leave will do so as well. This is already happening in California. This reduces the number of whites who could be marriage or cohabitation partners. Your statement above assumes that immigration-illegal and legal-from Mexico or Asia will trail off and whites will remain stationary.




The color line I'm referring to is the one between blacks and whites. That's the only one in our society. That is not going anywhere.

What is emerging in our society is not a white/non-white divide but a black/non-black one.

And our society will be more pyramid shaped in the future but not as miscegenated as many people hope.



There are black Minutemen...

Yes you're right. Obviously as the white population decreases and the Hispanic population increases there will be less opportunities to meet and marry someone of another race. But I think whites will remain at 25%-35% of the population in California and the southwest...so there will still be some intermarriage; esp. in the major urban centers. My argument is that possibly "whiteness" will be redefined in the next two generations to include people with significant white ancestry...like for ex. half-white Hispanics, and maybe even people who are part Asian. It wouldn't be the first time in U.S. history that whiteness was redefined to include individuals previously excluded from that category of people. I never said the black/white or black/non-black color line would disappear...I just said that it wouldn't be as harsh; in the sense that people would cross it with more ease than in the past.

[JackKnightstick]

Yes you're right. Obviously as the white population decreases and the Hispanic population increases there will be less opportunities to meet and marry someone of another race. But I think whites will remain at 25%-35% of the population in California and the southwest...so there will still be some intermarriage; esp. in the major urban centers. My argument is that possibly "whiteness" will be redefined in the next two generations to include people with significant white ancestry...like for ex. half-white Hispanics, and maybe even people who are part Asian. It wouldn't be the first time in U.S. history that whiteness was redefined to include individuals previously excluded from that category of people. I never said the black/white or black/non-black color line would disappear...I just said that it wouldn't be as harsh; in the sense that people would cross it with more ease than in the past.

Isn't Keanu Reeves treated as white already, he is half Chinese.

[sgh]

Believe me Mexican-Americans don't identify as white.

How many Gringos identify as Mexican-Americans?

Not many lol

[CoolSpecs]

My argument is that possibly "whiteness" will be redefined in the next two generations to include people with significant white ancestry...like for ex. half-white Hispanics, and maybe even people who are part Asian. It wouldn't be the first time in U.S. history that whiteness was redefined to include individuals previously excluded from that category of people. I never said the black/white or black/non-black color line would disappear...I just said that it wouldn't be as harsh; in the sense that people would cross it with more ease than in the past.

Oh, no! More castizos? I hope they'll speak English :evilgrin:

[JackKnightstick]

Then who are the 52% of Latinos who call themselves white on the census? They can't all be Cuban.

[nomar6]

Then who are the 52% of Latinos who call themselves white on the census? They can't all be Cuban.

How many times do i have to tell you. There is no mestizo box. The census lady called me to fill out the census form again. She ask my race, i said mestizo. She said 'what is that' , i said write down Mexican as my race.
Stupid people.

[sgh]

Isn't Keanu Reeves treated as white already, he is half Chinese.

Exactly...there's a cultural as well as a racial element to it. Many of these people will be half to three quarters white and will see themselves as culturally American, viewing their (non-white) parents culture as foreign and not important to their lives.

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Oh, no! More castizos? I hope they'll speak English :evilgrin:

Think Jessica Alba. They'll speak English and have a tan :D

[CAONABO]

How many times do i have to tell you. There is no mestizo box. The census lady called me to fill out the census form again. She ask my race, i said mestizo. She said 'what is that' , i said write down Mexican as my race.
Stupid people.

The latest census forms should serve as an experiment for those interested in how diverse LatinAmerican groups in the USA self-identify. Every single person I've asked was thrown off with the question of 'what i is your race' and then the options they gave:lol: I helped my step-grandfather fill it out and he got stumped and then annoyed by the question (he thought it was stupid or didn't make sense) and told me to put down Dominican. Another Colombian girl I know put down 'white' (she's mestiza) because she just crossed out everything she clearly wasn't and by process of elimination white was the closest answer. She does not think she is white in any sense. We're talking about regular average people who don't normally think of 'race'.

[JackKnightstick]

How many times do i have to tell you. There is no mestizo box. The census lady called me to fill out the census form again. She ask my race, i said mestizo. She said 'what is that' , i said write down Mexican as my race.
Stupid people.


How many times do I have to tell you, that is is perfectly legal and recommended that if you are mixed race to mark more than one race box. Are you too dumb to check white and Native?

I showed you the census directions directly from the U.S. census bureau.

I can't believe you can't figure out that you can't mark more than one box.

What is mestizo dumb ass?

White + Native Amerindian

There are boxes for both, check both. No wonder Mexico is so poor.

[Alto Impacto]

Oh, no! More castizos? I hope they'll speak English :evilgrin:

You're a bitter Spaniard :lol: I bet I speak better English than you do, with your aspirating lispy accent completely foreign to the English language

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How many times do I have to tell you, that is is perfectly legal and recommended that if you are mixed race to mark more than one race box. Are you too dumb to check white and Native?

I showed you the census directions directly from the U.S. census bureau.

I can't believe you can't figure out that you can't mark more than one box.

What is mestizo dumb ass?

White + Native Amerindian

There are boxes for both, check both. No wonder Mexico is so poor.

So Mexico is poor because a dumb black dude can't understand Mestizo is the closest we use to a racial ethnonym? :lol: I don't know much about Census since I find it very dumb, but don't you have to belong to some tribe to check "Native"?

Dude, I can tell you for sure, the only time you see Mexicans considering themselves "white" is between jokes between themselves, Northern Mexicans talking about Southern Mexicans, much like Salvadorians talk about Hondurans. They say Northern Mexicans are "white" and Southerners are "black" but that's obviously just joking, a cheap way to make fun of them; as Southern Mexicans aren't Black, and Northern Mexicans aren't white either. People don't go around waving the big white flag and it would be very weird if some Cholo actually thinks of himself as white.

What are you trying to prove? That Mexicans somehow see themselves as white or some Brown dude wants to be white?

The average Mexican doesn't see himself as mixed either (even if that's what Mestizo means) since we equate Nationality = Ethnicity. Lots of Mestizos have been so for over 200/300 years, it would be stupid to think most Mexicans actually have a Spanish father and an Indigenous mother.

I really have no idea why many Mexicans choose their race as "white" in the census but I am almost certaim they don't consider themselves "White" in any real sense

[EiCibaeño]

How many times do i have to tell you. There is no mestizo box. The census lady called me to fill out the census form again. She ask my race, i said mestizo. She said 'what is that' , i said write down Mexican as my race.
Stupid people.

A lack of a choice doesn't equal checking off white though.:confused:

Like you just said, every Dominican I know put "Dominican" as a write in or "tri-racial" or something.

[nomar6]

A lack of a choice doesn't equal checking off white though.:confused:


Many people gets confused of the choices,NA means American indian trbes .. As i said before Mexican-American would never consider themselves white. We see ourselves as 'racially ' Mexican'[mestizos]

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How many times do I have to tell you, that is is perfectly legal and recommended that if you are mixed race to mark more than one race box. Are you too dumb to check white and Native?

NA boxes is for American indian tribes.
I didn't even check that box.







No wonder Mexico is so poor.

Africa were your ancestors are from is like 50 times worse off. :evilgrin:

[CoolSpecs]

You're a bitter Spaniard :lol: I bet I speak better English than you do, with your aspirating lispy accent completely foreign to the English language[COLOR="Silver"]
1. I'm not Spanish.
2. I'm probably the worst English speaker here.
3. You've never heard me speaking English, and probably will never do.

[Ubirajara]

The census lady called me to fill out the census form again. She ask my race, i said mestizo. She said 'what is that' , i said write down Mexican as my race. Stupid people.

Did she write down Mestizo or Mexican? One should have the freedom to self identify as he wishes to.

[Grasshoppa]

So what is the answer to all of this? Honestly what is the point of it all, in the census? Just to keep record of things? I admit it: I'm ignorant when it comes to such things, but as I've said before, asking people their "race" is honestly an unfair question.

If they want "true race" this is absolutely a retarded question in a mixed society. At best people will give you how they identify. For "true race" or population origin, we would need some sort of autosomal genetic test; it's foolish for them to rely on only self identification, since people's identities are not necessarily based on that broad "racial" model used in the U.S. census.

We all know how Aframs have identified, even the largely European (white) admixed ones. We know that many in Latino countries are a combination of multiple "races." In all honesty, they should not be forced to pick, because in such a society which may be technically mixed (as in multiple continental ancestry), there is now a national identity which may overtake that "racial" identity that the U.S. uses for classification.

This is in ways similar to my distinction between self identity which is purely "ethnic" versus genetic population origin which is more like "true race."

[Ubirajara]

So what is the answer to all of this? Honestly what is the point of it all, in the census? Just to keep record of things? I admit it: I'm ignorant when it comes to such things, but as I've said before, asking people their "race" is honestly an unfair question."

Agreed! That's what I think too. I am against "racial censuses". But if the government opts for the question, then it should let its citizens to identify freely as they wish to. Mexicans should be free to identify as Mestizos, or Mexicans, as they wish to.

[nomar6]

Did she write down Mestizo or Mexican? One should have the freedom to self identify as he wishes to.


I told her to write down Mexican as my race .She had no idea what a mestizo was.

What is strange is that i filled out the form 4 weeks before she called me and asked the same question asked on the census form. She did the interview over the phone. Who knows what she marked down.

Conspiracy?

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Agreed! That's what I think too. I am against "racial censuses". But if the government opts for the question, then it should let its citizen to identify freely as they wish to. Mexicans should be free to identify as Mestizos, or Mexicans, as they wish to.

It ask if latino heritage it gives options as Mexican,Chicano, Puerto Rican etc

for race it ask white,black or NA tribe or other
USA census has no options for Mestizo.:mad:

[pinguin]

U.S. census don't have the option Amerindian either, which is different from Native American. No Mexican or Chilean is a Sioux or Cherokee.
With respect to "White", why the census doesn't split that box between Mediterranean, Nordic, Slavs etc.? Why it doesn't exist an "Iberian" box? Then it would make sense for a Latino to pick "Iberian" and "Amerindian".

If I were in the U.S. and I had to put a mark in the census enquire, I would demand to have a Chilean box.

[Stefan]

why the census doesn't split that box between Mediterranean, Nordic, Slavs etc.?

The differences aren't evident, and they surely wouldn't use "Mediterranean", "Nordic", or "Slavic" as their options. If they were to divide Europeans it would be by region, and that could get confusing as many countries could be split up into many regions. France, for example; could be Central, Western, or Southern Europe depending on who you ask, Germany Northern or Central, Spain Western or Southern. And if we were talking from a racial standpoint, the differences aren't big enough for it to be important. From an ethnic or economic standpoint, then the differences are valid.



Why it doesn't exist an "Iberian" box? Then it would make sense for a Latino to pick "Iberian" and "Amerindian".

Two reasons: 1. "Iberian" isn't a race. 2. If there were to be an "Iberian" option then every other ancestral group would need to be added.

edit: By this, I mean the equivalent of "Amerindian" is "European". It is ridiculous to compare the aboriginal peoples of two continents with that of a single relatively small peninsula.

[Bonaoense]

White hispanics are no more than 6%-7% of the hispanic population and most are Cuban. So very few are white.

If you only consider "pure white" hispanics to be white, than yes, it'd be a low number, but there are tons of phenotypically white latinos besides Cubans. Look at alot of Puerto Ricans, Colombians etc. in the US, I'd say around 25% or 30% of Latinos in the east coast are phenotypically White

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The latest census forms should serve as an experiment for those interested in how diverse LatinAmerican groups in the USA self-identify. Every single person I've asked was thrown off with the question of 'what i is your race' and then the options they gave:lol: I helped my step-grandfather fill it out and he got stumped and then annoyed by the question (he thought it was stupid or didn't make sense) and told me to put down Dominican. Another Colombian girl I know put down 'white' (she's mestiza) because she just crossed out everything she clearly wasn't and by process of elimination white was the closest answer. She does not think she is white in any sense. We're talking about regular average people who don't normally think of 'race'.

Many "Latinos" specifically, 3rd/2nd generation, literally believe that Hispanics and Latinos are a legitimate race with a "bloodline" and everything and would not know what an Inca, Taino or whatever is. Immigrants and their children are a different story.

[Tropical]

U.S. census don't have the option Amerindian either, which is different from Native American. No Mexican or Chilean is a Sioux or Cherokee.
With respect to "White", why the census doesn't split that box between Mediterranean, Nordic, Slavs etc.? Why it doesn't exist an "Iberian" box? Then it would make sense for a Latino to pick "Iberian" and "Amerindian".

If I were in the U.S. and I had to put a mark in the census enquire, I would demand to have a Chilean box.

Since when Latinos identify their ancestry as "Iberian"? Most Latinos cannot even point the Iberian Peninsula in a map.

Only in Chile people love and cultivate a fake "Iberian" or "Spanish" ancestry even when they look Amerindian. In the rest of Latin America the people have their own national identities and don't look for Spain to find their ancestry.

Even in Argentina people are less obsessed with European ancestry than in Chile. And Argentina is a White country, which is not the case of Chile