View Full Version : Extreme violence in the subway of Brussels
EliasAlucard
2010-06-06, 00:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT9e8tgrMao
To the French speaking members on the forum: please tell us what the reporters are saying. Much appreciated.
At 37 seconds into the clip, it gets very nasty. They throw the guy down to the point that he hits the rails and probably dies of severe injuries.
Question: how will this affect race relations in Europe?
Eldritch
2010-06-06, 00:22
Here's my (only slightly exaggerated) estimate:
There'll be a lot of hand-wringing about structural discrimination and racism in European societies, which forces immigrants to commit extreme acts out of despair.
If the perpetrators are ever caught, they'll receive meaningless sentences (either fines which will never be paid or "probationary" prison sentences).
In the meantime, extreme right-wing parties snatch a few dozen more voters.
Europe is importing criminals. What would you expect.
These things will long be ignored as singular events having nothing to do with race, until there are hundreds of these black on white clips around, and zero white on black (apart from probably a few from Russia).
Here is how it works in Sweden:
A nationalist blogger emails the youth leagues of all political parties represented in the parliament, mentioning a video where a young girl is beaten by a gang of racists for "nothing but having a different skin color". He mentions he is upset with this racism, and conveniently forgets to include the link (it is the french video where some negros slap a white girl for not giving out her phone number). They all respond eagerly, stating that they are going to publish the video on various blogs/websites, to promote anti-racist agendas.
He then sends the link, and five of seven youth leagues abruptly stop the correspondence. Out of the remaining two, one of them responds that its not racism. The other correspondent has the decency to admit that if she were to show the video in an anti-racist context, without a similar video of whites beating a black, she instead would be flagged as racist. I dont remember if she ended up publishing the clip or not, anyway the message is clear:
When all they knew was that the attackers and the victim had different skin colors, it was presumed white on black and was definitely racism. When it turns out to be the other way around, suddenly its not.
Media always has an explanation for violence, especially racial violence. When whites use violence, they are intolerant and hateful. When blacks use violence, its because they are oppressed and discriminated. Either way, the whites are to blame.
These things will long be ignored as singular events having nothing to do with race, until there are hundreds of these black on white clips around, and zero white on black (apart from probably a few from Russia).
Here is how it works in Sweden:
A nationalist blogger emails the youth leagues of all political parties represented in the parliament, mentioning a video where a young girl is beaten by a gang of racists for "nothing but having a different skin color". He mentions he is upset with this racism, and conveniently forgets to include the link (it is the french video where some negros slap a white girl for not giving out her phone number). They all respond eagerly, stating that they are going to publish the video on various blogs/websites, to promote anti-racist agendas.
He then sends the link, and five of seven youth leagues abruptly stop the correspondence. Out of the remaining two, one of them responds that its not racism. The other correspondent has the decency to admit that if she were to show the video in an anti-racist context, without a similar video of whites beating a black, she instead would be flagged as racist. I dont remember if she ended up publishing the clip or not, anyway the message is clear:
When all they knew was that the attackers and the victim had different skin colors, it was presumed white on black and was definitely racism. When it turns out to be the other way around, suddenly its not.
Media always has an explanation for violence, especially racial violence. When whites use violence, they are intolerant and hateful. When blacks use violence, its because they are oppressed and discriminated. Either way, the whites are to blame.
Those were not blacks smart ass they were Moroccan, unless Moroccans are now black?. Why do people always have to bring blacks into this? You ignore the clip which clearly shows North Africans. Their was like one black guy, the rest were North African
I don't understand much of the video who were the group of guys running away from the black guys? Or weren't they running away? Either way that was a brutal fall.
Is there no chance it's gang related? I think we should wait for a French speaking person to explain the situation before we pass judgement about it.
No surprise, they were blacks
No surprise, they were blacks
If they are blacks then Chileans are black.:lol:
Were there not two different groups of people involved or is it me? I'm sure there was a group of Maghrebi looking guys and a few black guys. I'm not talking about the black guy who tries to stop the Maghrebis but the one with the hat and his friend.
Were there not two different groups of people involved or is it me? I'm sure there was a group of Maghrebi looking guys and a few black guys. I'm not talking about the black guy who tries to stop the Maghrebis but the one with the hat and his friend.
Yeah, it looks that way. It was the Maghrebis who were kicking and punching the guy, I didnt see the blacks doing anything, looks like they were trying to stop it, but they just ran away after
And the female host of the news show, what's their origin?
Obviously North African not unlike that of the perpetrators;).
Those were not blacks smart ass they were Moroccan, unless Moroccans are now black?. Why do people always have to bring blacks into this? You ignore the clip which clearly shows North Africans. Their was like one black guy, the rest were North African
Maybe I should have clarified, Im not very well educated on who can be called black and who can't. However, in contemporary pro-multicultarlist media, anyone with a skin tone darker than your avarage arab is "politically black", and enjoys the same favorable treatment.
Biological studies of race and even acknowledgements of racial differences are both widely condemned as racist activites. As a consequence, most people know very little of race and genetics. And as I was brought up in this environment, that does apply to me aswell (which is, coincidentally, why Im reading this forum).
Maybe I should have clarified, Im not very well educated on who can be called black and who can't. However, in contemporary pro-multicultarlist media, anyone with a skin tone darker than your avarage arab is "politically black", and enjoys the same favorable treatment.
Biological studies of race and even acknowledgements of racial differences are both widely condemned as racist activites. As a consequence, most people know very little of race and genetics. And as I was brought up in this environment, that does apply to me aswell (which is, coincidentally, why Im reading this forum).
Well I just find it interesting how you ignored the Maghrebi boys and jumped straight into discussing 'blacks', the aggressors were various shades not just black, but as always the world is only in 'black' and 'white'.
Without sounding prejudice the majority of crime issues in Begium and France are mainly involving Arabs and a few blacks, especially France. But you would rather focus on blacks alone?
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Something for Nioreh
Turkish and Moroccan immigrants are also overrepresented in crime statistics in Belgium. The Belgian newspaper De Standaard claims that "foreigners" constitute 44 percent of the Belgian prison populations – nearly half that is. This roughly corresponds to the situation in the Netherlands, France, the United Kingdom and Germany. For some reason, Moroccan immigrants are among the most notorious hardline criminals in Belgium. It was on July 23 that three Morroccan criminals escaped from their prison in the picturesque Belgian town of Brugge. Gangleader Ashraf Sekkaki and his friends Abdelhaq Melloul-Khayari and Mohammed Johri managed to escape by means of a hijacked helicopter. The helicopter had been hijacked by Lahoucine El Haddouchi and Johri's girlfriend, Lesley Deckers, a native Belgian Muslim convert. Because the helicopter was overloaded, El Haddouchi had to stay behind. The three Moroccan gangsters and Miss Deckers then fled to Amsterdam where they stayed in the inconspicuous "A-Train Hotel." Using the hotel as their operational base they conducted four spectacular bank robberies in Belgium. Using false identity papers, the three gang members planned to escape to Morocco. They were assisted by Moroccan family members in Germany and Belgium. Sekkaki and Johri did indeed manage to escape to Morocco where they were later arrested by the Moroccan police. They will not be tried in Belgium but in Morocco. Melloul-Khayari was arrested in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek, an immigrant area of Brussels. He had previously attempted to travel to Morocco via France but was spotted by the French police in Paris. He then fled to Brussels where he enjoyed the protection of his brother Redouane and a friend. Redouane is another notorious criminal in Belgium. Lesley Deckers was the last to be captured by Belgian police. She will now face trial and will be charged with hijacking a helicopter and assisting a dangerous armed criminal gang.
On Tuesday August 4, three other notorious Moroccan criminals escaped from after two armed and masked criminal gang members stormed the Brussels courtroom where they were on trial. Security at Belgian courts is patchy and security guards are not even allowed to carry guns. Belgium now looks like lawless Mexixo where armed criminal thugs also "liberated" fellow-criminals from jails. The three Moroccan criminals who escaped from the Brussels courtroom – Oussama Trimini Langeri, Youssef Oulad Haj Chaib and Abdelhalim Akim – have a reputation of extreme violence. In November 2008, they entered a house in Londerzeel where they threatened to kill a child and two women if their demands (cash money and a car) were not met immediately. They had a kalashnikov, a deadly and efficient automatic weapon, as well as two pistols.
Compared to Morocco, sentences in Belgium are very lenient indeed. Because prisons are overcrowded prisoners are often released prematurely. After their premature release from prison last year, Trimini Langeri and Oulad Haj Chaib immediately resumed their criminal activities. Before he was twenty years old, Abdelhaq Melloul-Khayari had already been involved in 40 armed robberies. In 1991, he was sentenced to 19 years of imprisonment. But after his premature release he, too, quickly resumed his criminal career joining an extremely violent Moroccan criminal gang. He was arrested again, tried, sentenced and then released prematurely once more in 2005. After having robbed a bank last year he opened fire aiming his kalashnikov toward a police helicopter. A very dangerous criminal indeed who should be in jail for the rest of his life or who should have been deported to Morocco years ago. Once in prison, these criminals usually continue their criminal activities, giving instructions to other gang members by means of cell phones. Jailed Moroccan criminals were even allowed to have sexual intercourse with the girlfriends who visited them.
Well I just find it interesting how you ignored the Maghrebi boys and jumped straight into discussing 'blacks', the aggressors were various shades not just black, but as always the world is only in 'black' and 'white'.
Correct, the political world in Sweden, and probably most European countries, is only "white" (of European ancestry), or "black". Everyone who in a political context is "black", is not necessarily a truly black person. These northern African Maghrebi will definitely be considered "blacks" (its enough that they are non-white and from Africa) in media, however incorrect that may be. Thus I did not bother to make a distinction between them and the black people.
Edit: And as for racial relations in Europe, its going to be majorly "us" vs "them", and then it does not matter if its maghrebi or a darker shade of black.
Those were not blacks smart ass they were Moroccan, unless Moroccans are now black?. Why do people always have to bring blacks into this? You ignore the clip which clearly shows North Africans. Their was like one black guy, the rest were North African
There are two separate incidents they talk about on that news clip. The more recent altercation which is the initial focus of the video, and a second (slightly older) one, which took place on 23 January 2009 (last year).
In the first one, only one culprit (out of a total of four aggressors) is visibly distinguishable, and he was black. The other three could have been beur, black, or blanc (though I doubt they were white).
In the second one, five culprits involved in a mugging (of two similarly aged teenagers) are also captured on video; in this one, we can make out one black, with the rest either being maghrebi or mixed (although one appeared to most definitely be a maghrebi).
Obviously you calling the majority of the perpetrators North African is just as unfounded as the claim you're trying to debunk. :no:
Obviously you calling the majority of the perpetrators North African is just as unfounded as the claim you're trying to debunk. :no:
Maybe this will help explain why I said that :p. Maybe you didnt read it the first time, i will post it again
Turkish and Moroccan immigrants are also overrepresented in crime statistics in Belgium. The Belgian newspaper De Standaard claims that "foreigners" constitute 44 percent of the Belgian prison populations – nearly half that is. This roughly corresponds to the situation in the Netherlands, France, the United Kingdom and Germany. For some reason, Moroccan immigrants are among the most notorious hardline criminals in Belgium. It was on July 23 that three Morroccan criminals escaped from their prison in the picturesque Belgian town of Brugge. Gangleader Ashraf Sekkaki and his friends Abdelhaq Melloul-Khayari and Mohammed Johri managed to escape by means of a hijacked helicopter. The helicopter had been hijacked by Lahoucine El Haddouchi and Johri's girlfriend, Lesley Deckers, a native Belgian Muslim convert. Because the helicopter was overloaded, El Haddouchi had to stay behind. The three Moroccan gangsters and Miss Deckers then fled to Amsterdam where they stayed in the inconspicuous "A-Train Hotel." Using the hotel as their operational base they conducted four spectacular bank robberies in Belgium. Using false identity papers, the three gang members planned to escape to Morocco. They were assisted by Moroccan family members in Germany and Belgium. Sekkaki and Johri did indeed manage to escape to Morocco where they were later arrested by the Moroccan police. They will not be tried in Belgium but in Morocco. Melloul-Khayari was arrested in Sint-Jans-Molenbeek, an immigrant area of Brussels. He had previously attempted to travel to Morocco via France but was spotted by the French police in Paris. He then fled to Brussels where he enjoyed the protection of his brother Redouane and a friend. Redouane is another notorious criminal in Belgium. Lesley Deckers was the last to be captured by Belgian police. She will now face trial and will be charged with hijacking a helicopter and assisting a dangerous armed criminal gang.
On Tuesday August 4, three other notorious Moroccan criminals escaped from after two armed and masked criminal gang members stormed the Brussels courtroom where they were on trial. Security at Belgian courts is patchy and security guards are not even allowed to carry guns. Belgium now looks like lawless Mexixo where armed criminal thugs also "liberated" fellow-criminals from jails. The three Moroccan criminals who escaped from the Brussels courtroom – Oussama Trimini Langeri, Youssef Oulad Haj Chaib and Abdelhalim Akim – have a reputation of extreme violence. In November 2008, they entered a house in Londerzeel where they threatened to kill a child and two women if their demands (cash money and a car) were not met immediately. They had a kalashnikov, a deadly and efficient automatic weapon, as well as two pistols.
Compared to Morocco, sentences in Belgium are very lenient indeed. Because prisons are overcrowded prisoners are often released prematurely. After their premature release from prison last year, Trimini Langeri and Oulad Haj Chaib immediately resumed their criminal activities. Before he was twenty years old, Abdelhaq Melloul-Khayari had already been involved in 40 armed robberies. In 1991, he was sentenced to 19 years of imprisonment. But after his premature release he, too, quickly resumed his criminal career joining an extremely violent Moroccan criminal gang. He was arrested again, tried, sentenced and then released prematurely once more in 2005. After having robbed a bank last year he opened fire aiming his kalashnikov toward a police helicopter. A very dangerous criminal indeed who should be in jail for the rest of his life or who should have been deported to Morocco years ago. Once in prison, these criminals usually continue their criminal activities, giving instructions to other gang members by means of cell phones. Jailed Moroccan criminals were even allowed to have sexual intercourse with the girlfriends who visited them
If they are blacks then Chileans are black.:lol:
I repeat, Europe is importing criminals.
I understand there are issues of unemployment/underemployment because of the rigid labor market so you have a large number of immigrants with too much time on their hands but honestly I think the best way to deal with these criminals is to deport them. If their families want to join them so be it. If they are not citizens of France/Belgium then they should be handed over to the authorities in Morocco or wherever they're from...leave the punishment to them.
I understand there are issues of unemployment/underemployment because of the rigid labor market so you have a large number of immigrants with too much time on their hands but honestly I think the best way to deal with these criminals is to deport them. If their families want to join them so be it. If they are not citizens of France/Belgium then they should be handed over to the authorities in Morocco or wherever they're from...leave the punishment to them.
I think if people want to discuss crime and race relations in Europe, it should be studied country by country, because each country has different causes. Much of the crime in France is not only commited by Immigrants but by socially excluded first generation kids of immigrants who were born and raised in the country.
Back in the 90s much of the crime in UK was commited by 2nd generation British Jamaican kids, far from being immigrants. Recent Immigrants are not to blame, only a few Somali religious extremists were causing problems a while back but the issue has died down.
Currently much of the crime in the UK is commited by British born black kids and a few Northen hooligan white kids. Pakistani kids were also a problem a few years back due to Islamic extremism
All in all I say social exclusion is what causes these kids to go wild, they are reluctant to integrate into mainstream society, so they will always victimise themselves
Maybe this will help explain why I said that :p. Maybe you didnt read it the first time, i will post it again
You know how to read right?
"foreigners" constitute 44 percent of the Belgian prison populations – nearly half that is.
That stat relates to all foreigners. In that particular article, the main focus happened to fall on Moroccan non-nationals (naturally, being one of the largest non-European immigrant groups) who tend to involve themselves in infractionary conduct, at fairly high rates (but representative of their population size, I don't doubt blacks are similarly overrepresented in Belgian prison systems―unlike you though, I'm not gonna attempt to denigrate either group).
Furthermore, even if that stat corresponded to only Belgian-Moroccans (both nationals and aliens), it still wouldn't prove that the majority of the perpetrators were/are maghrebi.
You're reaching (clearly), and proving more and more that you're no different than 'nioreh,' whose comments are what prompted this discussion.
Maybe this will help explain why I said that :p. Maybe you didnt read it the first time, i will post it again
Why were Turks dragged into this article? Can you share the source please I'm curious.
That stat relates to all foreigners. In that particular article, the main focus happened to fall on Moroccan non-nationals (naturally, being one of the largest non-European immigrant groups) who tend to involve themselves in infractionary conduct, at fairly high rates (but representative of their population size, I don't doubt blacks are similarly overrepresented in Belgian prison systems―unlike you though, I'm not gonna attempt to denigrate either group).
Read my post 19 ^^^ , before you assume I am denigrating a particular group. Maghrebis in Belgium account for highest crime rates, show me evidence that says the contrary.
You're reaching (clearly), and proving more and more that you're no different than 'nioreh,' whose comments are what prompted this discussion.
Im analysing the reality. Noireh was being partial, he only mentioned blacks when speaking of crime, I on the other hand mention everyone. Like I said read my post 19 then come back at me with something more concrete
No surprise, they were blacks
LOL, 2 of the 3 most recent comments on the video are from Swedes.
Anyway Looked like most of the faces were Middle Easterners/Arabs/Maghrebs. Most of the people doing the fighting were also Arabs.
There was a similar situation in France last year.
http://www.megavideo.com/?v=KZ3ZV8GB
http://www.newsnours.com/2009/04/agression-bus-ratp-france-video.html
In this video, it's mostly black kids and a few Middle Easterners (N African).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU7bFpPJiww
Why were Turks dragged into this article? Can you share the source please I'm curious.
Calm your horses, Turks aren't even the real focus of the article. It probably has to deal with the fact that a lot of crimes in Belgium, are perpetrated by people with (religiously) Muslim backgrounds. Hence why they were lumped in with Moroccans. They also constitute a pretty big percentage of the non-European immigrant enclave. I'd assume that they're similarly marginalized (mostly because of religious affiliation), like any of the Africans (both north Africans and sub-Saharans) and caribbeans, so they may have tendency to engage in dissociative behaviors, being (like those aforementioned groups) overrepresented in prison demographics.
Read my post 19 ^^^ , before you assume I am denigrating a particular group. Maghrebis in Belgium account for highest crime rates, show me evidence that says the contrary.
Well I'm afraid, contrary to what you understood of that article, that if we were to go solely by the stats provided, it wouldn't prove diddly. It states that foreigners accounted for 44% of all prison inmates. But this includes maghrebis, blacks, Turks and non-Belgian Europeans (this last one is key, as the three other immigrant groups only account for 4% of all Belgian foreigners; obviously not all wind up in jail).
The fact that combined, non-European immigrants only account for 4% of the population, tells us that even if Moroccan non-nationals went to jail 100% of the time (disincluding blacks and Turks), we'd still only account for a very low percentage of the foreign prison population (considering that out of that 4% we probably only account for about half, most likely less).
Of course, Moroccans as a whole, in Belgium, constitute a much higher percentage. But that study was solely on foreign ethnic groups. It's a very misleading article (mostly written to incite fear), but anybody with half a brain can understand that Moroccan immigrants couldn't account for 44% of the Belgian prison population.
Im analysing the reality. Noireh was being partial, he only mentioned blacks when speaking of crime, I on the other hand mention everyone. Like I said read my post 19 then come back at me with something more concrete
Okay, let's indulge you shall we?
Those were not blacks smart ass they were Moroccan, unless Moroccans are now black?. Why do people always have to bring blacks into this? You ignore the clip which clearly shows North Africans. Their was like one black guy, the rest were North African
Notice how here you make the claim that they're mostly maghrebi, even though the first altercation mentioned in the video, only made out one discernible individual (obviously black). Like I said, the second (older) altercation, depicted five muggers: one black and four, either maghrebi, mixed, or white.
Yeah, it looks that way. It was the Maghrebis who were kicking and punching the guy, I didnt see the blacks doing anything, looks like they were trying to stop it, but they just ran away after
Here (and I know you're referring to the first altercation), you suggest that the maghrebis are doing all the scrapping (although we can't even make out the race of three of the four hoodlums, beating on the one university student). Then you also try and insinuate that the one guy we do see (black) had no real part in the altercation (other than to stop it). This last one makes me lol, because the report clearly states that he was one of those who assaulted the university student ("...un des agresseur..."). Learn some french why don't you?
...Without sounding prejudice the majority of crime issues in Begium and France are mainly involving Arabs and a few blacks, especially France. But you would rather focus on blacks alone?
:lol:
The majority of crimes are still perpetrated by ethnic Belgians, as minorities account for a FAR lesser percentage. It's true that proportionate to their population size, they tend to be overrepresented in crime statistics, but that's the only real knock on their presence in the country.
...Anyway Looked like most of the faces were Middle Easterners/Arabs/Maghrebs. Most of the people doing the fighting were also Arabs.
I answered this already, as I actually understand/speak french. There were two separate incidents depicted in the video, where one group is not very visible (at all) except for one individual (described in the video as black) and the latter group appearing predom maghrebi, or mixed, or white; though one in the latter group was definitely black, and another definitely maghrebi.
And I'd expect that after having been on this forum for so long toomash, you'd know the difference between a north African and a middle easterner. :no:
Don't waste your time arguing with tweet, Asce.
tweet is obviously a racist with a personal agenda to expose.
Also tweet is a complete ignorant, I doubt he/she finished any high school, I read somewhere else he/she claimed that Greeks spoke Latin. Anyone saying such a thing is an ignoramus...so don't bother explaining anything to that person.
Also tweet is a complete ignorant, I doubt he/she finished any high school, I read somewhere else he/she claimed that Greeks spoke Latin.
Latin was an official language of predominantly Greek Byzantine Empire for many centuries. And any educated Greek would know Latin since even much earlier time, after being incorporated in the Roman Empire. Maybe she referred to that, i don't think she wouldn't know that Greeks speak Greek :).
As for the topic of discussion, there ain't much to actually discuss. On the global scale - just need to stop immigration and pollution of Europe with scum, i think anyone here would agree with that. On the small - i'd personally kill each of those "people" on the video with my bare hands.
In this video, it's mostly black kids and a few Middle Easterners (N African).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU7bFpPJiww
Take a look at the disgusting social conditions in that last video, and yet we continue to wonder why crime is rampant in France
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Notice how here you make the claim that they're mostly maghrebi, even though the first altercation mentioned in the video, only made out one discernible individual (obviously black). Like I said, the second (older) altercation, depicted five muggers: one black and four, either maghrebi, mixed, or white.
As a whole in that video I saw mostly Maghrebi faces than I saw black ones, Toomash even said the same thing. I saw 5 Mghrebi boys and 2 black boys. The other faces were not shown, they could have been black or aany other race
Here (and I know you're referring to the first altercation), you suggest that the maghrebis are doing all the scrapping (although we can't even make out the race of three of the four hoodlums, beating on the one university student). Then you also try and insinuate that the one guy we do see (black) had no real part in the altercation (other than to stop it). This last one makes me lol, because the report clearly states that he was one of those who assaulted the university student ("...un des agresseur..."). Learn some french why don't you?
I wasnt referring to the first altercation, I was referring to the second one at 1:14. The first one was a black guy but the second showed 4 Maghrebis kicking and punching that guy, and the black guy was running away, and what? Your just mad because I mentioned Maghrebis,
and the latter group appearing predom maghrebi, or mixed, or white; though one in the latter group was definitely black, and another definitely maghrebi.
LOL@ you for trying to make out that they might also be mixed or white, the faces are all clearly Maghrebi at the end of the video, watch again at 1:18, 5 Moroccan looking boys running, LOL, now dont pretend you dont know what Maghrebis look like. :lol: , you attack Toomash for not being able to distinguish between Maghrebis and Arabs whilst you youself cant distinguish between white, mixed or Maghrebi
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Don't waste your time arguing with tweet, Asce.
tweet is obviously a racist with a personal agenda to expose.
Please explain, what agenda do I have to expose?
Also tweet is a complete ignorant, I doubt he/she finished any high school, I read somewhere else he/she claimed that Greeks spoke Latin. Anyone saying such a thing is an ignoramus...so don't bother explaining anything to that person.
Refer to post 26 by Cail, now lets see who the complete ignorant is. You have just exposed yourself as one :evilgrin:
i am shocked that people can just stand by and watch this happen, cowards!
Check it;
http://www.fdesouche.com/117533-tas-pas-un-06
I saw this in another forum, it happened in France. An almost similar incident, but extremely disgusting and cowardly.
Azvarohi
2010-06-07, 19:36
Check it;
http://www.fdesouche.com/117533-tas-pas-un-06
I saw this in another forum, it happened in France. An almost similar incident, but extremely disgusting and cowardly.
That one was up on youtube a couple of days ago, youtube has taken it down for some apparent reason.
Malcolm Z
2010-06-07, 19:39
Correct, the political world in Sweden, and probably most European countries, is only "white" (of European ancestry), or "black". Everyone who in a political context is "black", is not necessarily a truly black person. These northern African Maghrebi will definitely be considered "blacks" (its enough that they are non-white and from Africa) in media, however incorrect that may be. Thus I did not bother to make a distinction between them and the black people.
Edit: And as for racial relations in Europe, its going to be majorly "us" vs "them", and then it does not matter if its maghrebi or a darker shade of black.
If Chinese Tong mafia guys caused trouble in Sweden, would they be called "black"?
i am shocked that people can just stand by and watch this happen, cowards!
Lol... I'm sure you'd do the same. After all, the whole thing happened so fast. Only idiots jump into fights without evaluating the situation first. That's how innocent folks get shot/stabbed/hurt, lol.
Anyways... I wonder what caused the fight. It's clear that they were arguing before the physical violence erupted. You can see the 'white' guy pulling the other 'white' guy away from the argument. There's obviously more to the story, but regardless of that... throwing someone off a balcony is going too far. :|
Lol... I'm sure you'd do the same. After all, the whole thing happened so fast. Only idiots jump into fights without evaluating the situation first. That's how innocent folks get shot/stabbed/hurt, lol.
Anyways... I wonder what caused the fight. It's clear that they were arguing before the physical violence erupted. You can see the 'white' guy pulling the other 'white' guy away from the argument. There's obviously more to the story, but regardless of that... throwing someone off a balcony is going too far. :|
i doubt i would, maybe i would get stabbed, its better i think then to let society fall into that state! it only takes one good man to fail...
maybe its this logic that makes my city one of the safest in the world? but ive been in fights, one on one is one thing, but a group against an individual is something different..
fatale_noir
2010-06-07, 23:14
I think if people want to discuss crime and race relations in Europe, it should be studied country by country, because each country has different causes. Much of the crime in France is not only commited by Immigrants but by socially excluded first generation kids of immigrants who were born and raised in the country.
Back in the 90s much of the crime in UK was commited by 2nd generation British Jamaican kids, far from being immigrants. Recent Immigrants are not to blame, only a few Somali religious extremists were causing problems a while back but the issue has died down.
Currently much of the crime in the UK is commited by British born black kids and a few Northen hooligan white kids. Pakistani kids were also a problem a few years back due to Islamic extremism
All in all I say social exclusion is what causes these kids to go wild, they are reluctant to integrate into mainstream society, so they will always victimise themselves
If these people had not immigrated in the first place then their spawn would not be causing problems. Immigration is the main problem. To really cure something you should deal with the cause and not just the symptoms
slick willy
2010-06-07, 23:17
To really cure something you should deal with the cause and not just the symptoms
And what caused these people to emigrate there in the first place? Maybe dealing with that fiorst would cure things even further?
fatale_noir
2010-06-07, 23:18
If they are blacks then Chileans are black.:lol:
No surprise, they were Africans.
Is that better?
Only on this forum does a discussion on an act of violence devolve into an argument about who is considered black.
i doubt i would, maybe i would get stabbed, its better i think then to let society fall into that state! it only takes one good man to fail...
maybe its this logic that makes my city one of the safest in the world? but ive been in fights, one on one is one thing, but a group against an individual is something different..
Well, this fight took place in the subways; people have things to do and places to go. Also, the fight (in the video) was like 15 secs long. I don't know how you'd expect people to drop everything and race towards the altercation and break it up in such a short period of time.
No surprise, they were Africans.
Is that better?
Of course it's not a surprise to you. If it rained you'd probably blame ' the darkies'.
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If these people had not immigrated in the first place then their spawn would not be causing problems. Immigration is the main problem. To really cure something you should deal with the cause and not just the symptoms
What about racism? Should you be deported because you are a racist and cause friction between communities?
Well, this fight took place in the subways; people have things to do and places to go. Also, the fight (in the video) was like 15 secs long. I don't know how you'd expect people to drop everything and race towards the altercation and break it up in such a short period of time.
fair enough, but i also saw the one from a bus in France posted here, if i am correct?...now there people actually just sit there watching as if it was a film...a shame really..
fair enough, but i also saw the one from a bus in France posted here, if i am correct?...now there people actually just sit there watching as if it was a film...a shame really..
If I'm thinking of the right one, most people actually get off the bus don't they? Let alone doing nothing.
asdrubal cabrera
2010-06-08, 14:58
And what caused these people to emigrate there in the first place? Maybe dealing with that fiorst would cure things even further?
The cause was dysfunctional culture and lack of prosperity in the immigrants' original countries as a result of genetically intrinsic low average IQ of the people comprising said culture. In the long run this will be solved by genetic engineering.
Pallantides
2010-06-08, 15:39
i am shocked that people can just stand by and watch this happen, cowards!
Similar thing happened in Norway a while ago.
A mentally handicapped guy was attacked on a buss by a gang of immigrant youths and nobody did anything to help him.
Similar thing happened in Norway a while ago.
A mentally handicapped guy was attacked on a buss by a gang of immigrant youths and nobody did anything to help him.
What was the reason for the attack?
Motörhead Remember Me
2010-06-08, 16:47
"First they ruin their own countries, then they paddle over to Europe in bananaboxes and continue to ruining it here"
A taxidrivers comment in a Danish film.
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What was the reason for the attack?
There is no reason to attack someone mentally handicapped
slick willy
2010-06-08, 16:51
"First they ruin their own countries, then they paddle over to Europe in bananaboxes and continue to ruining it here"
A taxidrivers comment in a Danish film.
Most of their countries are ruined due to the implicit collusion of their country's corrupt elite and (usually) Western corporate interests. They're victims of exploitation more than exploiters of victims...so as easy as it is to lay the blame at the people clinging unto dear life on their banana boats, why not lay blame where it really matters? Your politicians/businessmen and the sort of people they deal with in 3rd world countries?
"First they ruin their own countries, then they paddle over to Europe in bananaboxes and continue to ruining it here"
True.
Pallantides
2010-06-08, 17:16
What was the reason for the attack?
I believe it was unprovoked.
Tchekitchek
2010-06-08, 17:19
I don't know about other countries but the violence is booming in Belgium in recent month/years...
My dad was car-jacked at broad daylight last week in front of his home, a woman last month was gunned down point blank in a car jacking, in Brussels, at broad day-light also at an intersection in the middle of a posh neighborhood... hold-ups/robberies everytime... I know that French speaking Belgian cities were always kinda like Liberty City but here it became out of hand.
If they are blacks then Chileans are black.:lol:
They were Africans, weren't they?
Motörhead Remember Me
2010-06-08, 17:30
Most of their countries are ruined due to the implicit collusion of their country's corrupt elite and (usually) Western corporate interests. They're victims of exploitation more than exploiters of victims...so as easy as it is to lay the blame at the people clinging unto dear life on their banana boats, why not lay blame where it really matters? Your politicians/businessmen and the sort of people they deal with in 3rd world countries?
Well of course it is so. But even if most Asian countries were colonialized we don't see gangs of Cambodians and Filipinos?
Culture of plays a part. Can it be denied? And it really isn't true that Western countries can be blamed entirely for the primitiveness plagueing non secular semi secular islamic countries where many of these youngs come from.
slick willy
2010-06-08, 17:35
Guess what? There ARE Filipino gangs here, and no North African ones... Catholic gangsta fikipinos who think they're all blacks, and also enjoy freestyle hiphop breakdancing
If I'm thinking of the right one, most people actually get off the bus don't they? Let alone doing nothing.
its even worse yes...i hate such cowards...
its even worse yes...i hate such cowards...
It's a form of mental masturbation to them. They feel powerful. I believe most of this behaviour stems from broken households. Careless or abusive parents. That is a very real aspect that many people overlook.
Wolverine
2010-06-08, 19:51
Well of course it is so. But even if most Asian countries were colonialized we don't see gangs of Cambodians and Filipinos?
There's gangs of filipinos in bay area — from South San Francisco to Redwood City, California.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8KCKKwrKgo
of plays a part. Can it be denied? And it really isn't true that Western countries can be blamed entirely for the primitiveness plagueing non secular semi secular islamic countries where many of these youngs come from.
Wrong statement on reality, religion plays no role in violence. Part of my family is from Netherlands I can to say that the Moroccan criminal "youth" are increasingly organizing in gangs with no connexion to the Islam and their fundaments.
The rapes, muggings and drug dealing etc aren't done by religious muslims, they are done by the secular immigrant masses that are (mostly) Muslim only in name but do not live according to the Koran.
asdrubal cabrera
2010-06-08, 20:04
There's gangs of filipinos in bay area — from South San Francisco to Redwood City, California.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8KCKKwrKgo
Do you know how much crime do Filipino "gangs" commit? AFAIK Filipinos fly very, very low under the radar in terms of the public consciousness. They simply do not make headlines for any reason, criminal or otherwise.
slick willy
2010-06-08, 20:37
Do you know how much crime do Filipino "gangs" commit? AFAIK Filipinos fly very, very low under the radar in terms of the public consciousness. They simply do not make headlines for any reason, criminal or otherwise.
Well it's not like there are millions of Philippine descendants creating little ghettos in most urban centres or anything.
fair enough, but i also saw the one from a bus in France posted here, if i am correct?...now there people actually just sit there watching as if it was a film...a shame really..
Yeah... the bus one was something else. Even here in the USA, people would've intervened. Heck, I've seen bus drivers beat the shit out of hooligans before whenever a fight occurred on their bus :lol:
It's a form of mental masturbation to them. They feel powerful. I believe most of this behaviour stems from broken households. Careless or abusive parents. That is a very real aspect that many people overlook.
for many immigrants i doubt this is the case, i think it stems from being a minority culture and feeling as if one must strive to fit into a society that one cannot be 100% part of unless one changes your own culture etc...my Turkish friend who has lived across Europe always says the same, that most of the criminals etc seems to be people with immigrant background...its a shame really...i am talking about people born in the west though, most people who are born in another culture appreciate the freedoms etc they have here so they rarely cause that much problems...
but iknow i sound like a rightist political now eventhough i am not..too bad huh?
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Yeah... the bus one was something else. Even here in the USA, people would've intervened. Heck, I've seen bus drivers beat the shit out of hooligans before whenever a fight occurred on their bus :lol:
thats what im talking about! :thumbsup:
here is from my city, a middle eastern guy from Oslo i think attacks the driver as he thinks he is about to drive away from the buststop without picking him up..when infact he was just driving further down so the people boring would have more room:
attack.. (http://www.ba.no/nyheter/article4600290.ece) but like with the other thing this was too fast for most people to do something, there is one guy who came to the rescue.. (http://www.vgtv.no/?id=26448)
for many immigrants i doubt this is the case, i think it stems from being a minority culture and feeling as if one must strive to fit into a society that one cannot be 100% part of unless one changes your own culture etc...my Turkish friend who has lived across Europe always says the same, that most of the criminals etc seems to be people with immigrant background...its a shame really...i am talking about people born in the west though, most people who are born in another culture appreciate the freedoms etc they have here so they rarely cause that much problems...
but iknow i sound like a rightist political now eventhough i am not..too bad huh?
Not at all you have a valid opinion though I still believe family upbringing is very important. I lived the first 10 years of my life in England and had no integration problems and also was proud of my background. I regularly visit London for long amounts of time and I have never had difficulty fitting in with English people and the same applies to Turkey, though I believe, had my parents been careless or abusive I may well have ended up messing around on the streets, degenerating.
Not at all you have a valid opinion though I still believe family upbringing is very important. I lived the first 10 years of my life in England and had no integration problems and also was proud of my background. I regularly visit London for long amounts of time and I have never had difficulty fitting in with English people and the same applies to Turkey, though I believe, had my parents been careless or abusive I may well have ended up messing around on the streets, degenerating.
this could very well be true too...in that you dont find comfort at home so you go to the streets and such...ive also lived a part of my live in UK....Lincolshire...
These things will long be ignored as singular events having nothing to do with race, until there are hundreds of these black on white clips around, and zero white on black (apart from probably a few from Russia).
Here is how it works in Sweden:
A nationalist blogger emails the youth leagues of all political parties represented in the parliament, mentioning a video where a young girl is beaten by a gang of racists for "nothing but having a different skin color". He mentions he is upset with this racism, and conveniently forgets to include the link (it is the french video where some negros slap a white girl for not giving out her phone number). They all respond eagerly, stating that they are going to publish the video on various blogs/websites, to promote anti-racist agendas.
He then sends the link, and five of seven youth leagues abruptly stop the correspondence. Out of the remaining two, one of them responds that its not racism. The other correspondent has the decency to admit that if she were to show the video in an anti-racist context, without a similar video of whites beating a black, she instead would be flagged as racist. I dont remember if she ended up publishing the clip or not, anyway the message is clear:
When all they knew was that the attackers and the victim had different skin colors, it was presumed white on black and was definitely racism. When it turns out to be the other way around, suddenly its not.
Media always has an explanation for violence, especially racial violence. When whites use violence, they are intolerant and hateful. When blacks use violence, its because they are oppressed and discriminated. Either way, the whites are to blame.
Also, when native Swedes in Västerbotten attacked and harrased iraqi families (so they had to evacuate) it was written in the media as a horrible racist attack, while in reality some of the iraqi children had harrassed one swedish girl.
It will lead to some more lessons in schools about Nazi Germany and the consequences of hating.:)
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Similar thing happened in Norway a while ago.
A mentally handicapped guy was attacked on a buss by a gang of immigrant youths and nobody did anything to help him.
They problably went home and logged in on a forum writing about fucking wogs and blackheads we shall kick them out now!
It is disgusting I agree.
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