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JackKnightstick

2010-06-07, 19:59

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-retiring-eff_n_603026.html?ir=Politics

Helen Thomas, the 89-year-old veteran White House correspondent, will retire effective immediately in the wake of her offensive comments on Israel.

"Helen Thomas announced Monday that she is retiring, effective immediately," a Hearst Newspapers statement said. "Her decision came after her controversial comments about Israel and the Palestinians were captured on videotape and widely disseminated on the Internet."

Thomas, who transitioned from reporter to columnist in 2000 but kept her front-row seat at White House briefings, had come under fire for her statement that Israel should "get the hell out of Palestine" and that Jews in Israeli should return to Germany, Poland, or the US.

Thomas apologized for the comments, saying:

"I deeply regret my comments I made last week regarding the Israelis and the Palestinians. They do not reflect my heart-felt belief that peace will come to the Middle East only when all parties recognize the need for mutual respect and tolerance. May that day come soon."

The White House Monday called Thomas' remarks "offensive and reprehensible."

"Helen Thomas' comments were indefensible and the White House Correspondents Association board firmly dissociates itself from them," the WHCA said in a statement. "Many in our profession who have known Helen for years were saddened by the comments, which were especially unfortunate in light of her role as a trail blazer on the White House beat."

The WHCA statement added that the incident "does revive the issue of whether it is appropriate for an opinion columnist to have a front row seat in the WH briefing room."

The national director of the Anti-Defamation League, Abraham H. Foxman, said Sunday that Thomas' apology didn't go far enough.

"Her suggestion that Israelis should go back to Poland and Germany is bigoted and shows a profound ignorance of history," Foxman said in a statement. "We believe Thomas needs to make a more forceful and sincere apology for the pain her remarks have caused."

Thomas began her long career with the wire service United Press International in 1943, and started covering the White House in 1960, according to a biography posted on her website. She became a columnist for Hearst in 2000.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/07/helen-thomas-retiring-eff_n_603026.html?ir=Politics

Wow, if I was her I would refuse to resign and make them fire me publicly, but she is old and likely doesn't want to go through be smeared anymore...

Here is a video that caused the controversy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2010/06/07/VI2010060702851.html

Yeah I think a lot of folks agree with her.

Now, I think about 1/2 the Jews are not Ashkanazi, but they run Israel, so yeah she has a point.

g-man

2010-06-07, 20:12

She is an Arab American, so her concern for her co-ethnics may have influenced her opinion.

JackKnightstick

2010-06-07, 20:12

She is an Arab American, so her concern for her co-ethnics may have influenced her opinion.

And Jewish people in the media are not influenced by their "co-ethnics"?

Her background:

Thomas was born in Winchester, Kentucky.[3] Her parents, Mary (née Rowady) and George Thomas, were Lebanese immigrants from Tripoli, Lebanon;[4][5][6] her father's surname had originally been "Antonious".[7] Thomas was raised as a Christian in the Greek Orthodox church.[8]

From wiki

JaM

2010-06-07, 20:22

She could set an example.

birko19

2010-06-07, 20:42

Now, I think about 1/2 the Jews are not Ashkanazi, but they run Israel, so yeah she has a point.

What is her point exactly? That European Jews should go back to Europe? That's quite a stupid point to make, she's a friggin Arab living in the US and making a claim that Jews should go back to Europe :whoco:

In the end of the day the strong survive, and whether the Jews are European, Chinese, South Americans, or whatever, they're doing what they have to do to keep the land, if they're strong enough to keep Israel standing then all power to them (Even though I don't agree with their tactics fully, I take their side more than the Arab side).

g-man

2010-06-07, 20:43

And Jewish people in the media are not influenced by their "co-ethnics"?

Her background:

From wiki

Most people are tribal....I was suggesting her statments are influenced less by humanitarian concerns and more by her ethnic background.

It should be apparent that most people in the world, especially non-Westerners, are like this, Jews included.

Many people aren't aware of her ethnic background, which is why I mentioned it.

JackKnightstick

2010-06-07, 20:49

What is her point exactly? That European Jews should go back to Europe? That's quite a stupid point to make, she's a friggin Arab living in the US and making a claim that Jews should go back to Europe :whoco:

In the end of the day the strong survive, and whether the Jews are European, Chinese, South Americans, or whatever, they're doing what they have to do to keep the land, if they're strong enough to keep Israel standing then all power to them (Even though I don't agree with their tactics fully, I take their side more than the Arab side).

So if I came in your house and killed your family and squatted on your land that makes me right?

Wow. Okay. So maybe I should come and rape your sister and beat the hell out of you and take your car. If I get away with it, I must be smart and strong, and you were a weak pussy and the cops were too stupid to catch me.

JaM

2010-06-07, 20:55

Jack
There are people living in Israel who are Jews and who were born in Israel.

There's absolutely no difference in her statement and my request, that she should do the same, or if I said about immigrants "Go home". Even third gen Immigrants.

That would be the same as asking ALL non NA Americans to "go home".

That kind of suggestion simply doesn't solve anything in any way at all.

birko19

2010-06-07, 20:55

So if I came in your house and killed your family and squatted on your land that makes me right?

Wow.

You forgot the part where I said:

"Even though I don't agree with their tactics fully"

But keep in mind that when Israel was created the Jews had bought most of their land.

By your thinking, maybe the Arabs should all pack their bags and make their final destination to Arabia.

Zorro

2010-06-07, 21:01

By your thinking, maybe the Arabs should all pack their bags and make their final destination to Arabia.

Most arabs aren't even from from the arabian peninsula

Sanjub_Saraswati

2010-06-07, 21:06

Now, I think about 1/2 the Jews are not Ashkanazi, but they run Israel, so yeah she has a point.

80% of world jewry are Ashkenazi.

What is her point exactly? That European Jews should go back to Europe? That's quite a stupid point to make, she's a friggin Arab living in the US and making a claim that Jews should go back to Europe
Arabs are not occupying America and oppressing amerindians, are they?

sgh

2010-06-07, 21:17

She was born in 1920...her comments are in line with her age lol.

Qart Hadash

2010-06-07, 21:18

80% of the Jewry is Ashkenazi
But Israel is quite diverse.....

birko19

2010-06-07, 21:28

Arabs are not occupying America and oppressing amerindians, are they?

Well how do you think Israel started out? Clearly the Jews did not go there guns and blazing, they bought land and the Arabs sold it to them.

Now what I don't agree with is Jews who try to expand, they should stick to the lands they bought, that is their right isn't it?

Most arabs aren't even from from the arabian peninsula

Then they should make up their mind, they're either Arabs or not, I grew up in Iraq for a bit and I know most people there claim to come from Arabian tribes and so on, if that's the case and they think Jews should go back to Europe, they might as well go back to where their tribes originated too.

JackKnightstick

2010-06-07, 21:35

You forgot the part where I said:

"Even though I don't agree with their tactics fully"

But keep in mind that when Israel was created the Jews had bought most of their land.

By your thinking, maybe the Arabs should all pack their bags and make their final destination to Arabia.

Many of the Palestinians (most, but not all) have always lived there, in fact they are more related to other Levant Arabs than Saudis, because they have always been there, many are people who were originally Jewish who converted to Christianity and/or Islam.

Jews bought a lot of the land, true, however they then resorted to terrorism to ethnically cleanse large areas to give them more of a solid majority (Stern Gang, look it up), they also committed terrorist acts against the Brits, to get them out so they could continue to fight the Palestinians.

No one has clean hands in this.

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Well how do you think Israel started out? Clearly the Jews did not go there guns and blazing, they bought land and the Arabs sold it to them.

Now what I don't agree with is Jews who try to expand, they should stick to the lands they bought, that is their right isn't it?

Then they should make up their mind, they're either Arabs or not, I grew up in Iraq for a bit and I know most people there claim to come from Arabian tribes and so on, if that's the case and they think Jews should go back to Europe, they might as well go back to where their tribes originated too.

No Ottoman overlords sold it to them originally and Brits and French kept allowing new settlers to solve the "European Jewish Problem".

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80% of world jewry are Ashkenazi.

Arabs are not occupying America and oppressing amerindians, are they?

Yes, but not 80% of Jews in Israel, we are speaking about Israel Jews, not all Jews on earth.

slick willy

2010-06-07, 21:41

Well how do you think Israel started out? Clearly the Jews did not go there guns and blazing, they bought land and the Arabs sold it to them.

Now what I don't agree with is Jews who try to expand, they should stick to the lands they bought, that is their right isn't it?

Then they should make up their mind, they're either Arabs or not, I grew up in Iraq for a bit and I know most people there claim to come from Arabian tribes and so on, if that's the case and they think Jews should go back to Europe, they might as well go back to where their tribes originated too.

Well Arab tribes have lived in both Mesopotamia and the Levant from Biblical times...Arabs were never limited to the Arabian peninsula...infact during the time of say Jesus Christ, there were non-Arab speaking people in the Arabian peninsula like the Shebans, while there were Arab speaking people in the Levant, like Nabateans and the Pro-Persian Ghassanids and the Hellenized Lakhmids

So saying something like "Palestinians should go back to Arabia" is not in anyway relatively equivalent to saying something like Israelis should go back to germany and poland, a place where only 3 or 4 generations ago, alot of Israelis were proud and patrioritc citizens of (Just research the number of Israelis who have ancestors who died fighting for Germany as recent as WW 1)

birko19

2010-06-07, 21:56

Many of the Palestinians (most, but not all) have always lived there, in fact they are more related to other Levant Arabs than Saudis, because they have always been there, many are people who were originally Jewish who converted to Christianity and/or Islam.

Jews bought a lot of the land, true, however they then resorted to terrorism to ethnically cleanse large areas to give them more of a solid majority (Stern Gang, look it up), they also committed terrorist acts against the Brits, to get them out so they could continue to fight the Palestinians.

No one has clean hands in this.

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I never said the Jews were the innocent ones here, but they still bought land and settled in, I mean they were not welcome in other parts of the world, where did you think they would go? Maybe the moon might be a good place for them, no?

[No Ottoman overlords sold it to them originally and Brits and French kept allowing new settlers to solve the "European Jewish Problem".

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Then go blame the Ottoman Turks, don't blame the Jews for buying land, at those times they were facing some tough times and they did what they had to do in order to survive, they did so and I command them for that.

Like I said, I don't agree with their modern treatment of Palestinians, but the lands they bought are their to keep, the Arabs will have to accept that whether they like it or not.

Well Arab tribes have lived in both Mesopotamia and the Levant from Biblical times...Arabs were never limited to the Arabian peninsula...infact during the time of say Jesus Christ, there were non-Arab speaking people in the Arabian peninsula like the Shebans, while there were Arab speaking people in the Levant, like Nabateans and the Pro-Persian Ghassanids and the Hellenized Lakhmids

I don't care if the migration took place 5000 years ago, 200 years ago, or 2 years ago, the bottom line is humans migrate and settle from one place to another, you guys need to deal with this, when the Jews settled from Europe to the middle east they did not do it by force, this whole conflict happened later on, the Arabs on the other hand invaded these places, keep that in mind very well.

So saying something like "Palestinians should go back to Arabia" is not in anyway relatively equivalent to saying something like Israelis should go back to germany and poland, a place where only 3 or 4 generations ago, alot of Israelis were proud and patrioritc citizens of (Just research the number of Israelis who have ancestors who died fighting for Germany as recent as WW 1)

Human migration, it happens and you need to live with it.

JackKnightstick

2010-06-07, 22:07

I never said the Jews were the innocent ones here, but they still bought land and settled in, I mean they were not welcome in other parts of the world, where did you think they would go? Maybe the moon might be a good place for them, no?

Then go blame the Ottoman Turks, don't blame the Jews for buying land, at those times they were facing some tough times and they did what they had to do in order to survive, they did so and I command them for that.

Like I said, I don't agree with their modern treatment of Palestinians, but the lands they bought are their to keep, the Arabs will have to accept that whether they like it or not.

I don't care if the migration took place 5000 years ago, 200 years ago, or 2 years ago, the bottom line is humans migrate and settle from one place to another, you guys need to deal with this, when the Jews settled from Europe to the middle east they did not do it by force, this whole conflict happened later on, the Arabs on the other hand invaded these places, keep that in mind very well.

Human migration, it happens and you need to live with it.

Ashkanzi Jews leaving EUrope was a a way for Europeans not having to deal with their anti-semitism, which still exist.

Imagine what America would be like (for all non-whites and many JEws today) if all African Americans just moved to Liberia in 1945.

That's how I look at the Jewish situation in Europe.

Europeans never had to deal with their nationalistic tribalism, etc. In fact Europeans often talk all this nonsense about multiculturalism, etc. They tell Africans they need to get along, in nations like Nigeria, with 200 ethnic groups, when Europeans can't even get along with 5 or 6 in Yugoslavia or two in Czechoslovakia.

So where should they have gone? No place.

They should have fought for freedom and equal rights exactly where they were.

You could say after the civil war in America (and many did) there is no place for blacks in America. Some politicians said we should all be shipped to Africa immediately, President Lincoln even considered this.

birko19

2010-06-07, 22:18

Ashkanzi Jews leaving EUrope was a a way for Europeans not having to deal with their anti-semitism, which still exist.

Imagine what America would be like (for all non-whites and many JEws today) if all African Americans just moved to Liberia in 1945.

That's how I look at the Jewish situation in Europe.

Europeans never had to deal with their nationalistic tribalism, etc. In fact Europeans often talk all this nonsense about multiculturalism, etc. They tell Africans they need to get along, in nations like Nigeria, with 200 ethnic groups, when Europeans can't even get along with 5 or 6 in Yugoslavia or two in Czechoslovakia.

So where should they have gone? No place.

They should have fought for freedom and equal rights exactly where they were.

You could say after the civil war in America (and many did) there is no place for blacks in America. Some politicians said we should all be shipped to Africa immediately, President Lincoln even considered this.

See the African situation in America is different than the Jewish one, for one thing the Africans did not come on their own, they were brought as slaves, the other thing is when the Jews moved to the middle east, it was a peaceful migration, they did not go fight against Arabs and this whole thing started when they declared the state of Israel.

Whatever, it happened and it's the past, whether they're European or not moving them back to Europe is a stupid opinion and quite illogical, what matters now is if these two populations wanna live in peace, they should agree to a two state solution, and this is where they're both being idiots about it, but just so you know, if the Arabs are so noble and want to give lands to the original people or whatever, why don't they give us Assyrians our land back?

JaM

2010-06-07, 22:28

ludim

2010-06-07, 22:38

Wow, if I was her I would refuse to resign and make them fire me publicly, but she is old and likely doesn't want to go through be smeared anymore...

Yeah I think a lot of folks agree with her.

Now, I think about 1/2 the Jews are not Ashkanazi, but they run Israel, so yeah she has a point.

I think she has a point too and I think that she could lead some way with this I mean the Palestinians on that part could start to revolt more though but this won't mean it will be a clean one.

JackKnightstick

2010-06-07, 23:18

See the African situation in America is different than the Jewish one, for one thing the Africans did not come on their own, they were brought as slaves, the other thing is when the Jews moved to the middle east, it was a peaceful migration, they did not go fight against Arabs and this whole thing started when they declared the state of Israel.

Whatever, it happened and it's the past, whether they're European or not moving them back to Europe is a stupid opinion and quite illogical, what matters now is if these two populations wanna live in peace, they should agree to a two state solution, and this is where they're both being idiots about it, but just so you know, if the Arabs are so noble and want to give lands to the original people or whatever, why don't they give us Assyrians our land back?

There will be no peace.

That's the point.

Arabs will never accept Israel now. Ever. A Jewish state in the middle of the Middle East in a place Arabs consider rightfully there's to control by religious law and what they believe is historical precedent (same as the Israelis believe about themselves and their claim).

I'm thinking as time goes on Israel will have to resort to more drastic measures to stop Arab population growth, because eventually, if population dynamics keep up, there will be so many Arabs at Israel's gate and inside Israel that the Israelis won't have enough bullets to stop human wave attacks.

Problem is that, if other Arab states get involved, when they think the risk is less, it will go nuclear. Those Israeli Jews are not going to allow Arab hordes to run wild rape and pillage (as they will out of spite). If Israel goes down, firmly believe (and many of my liberal Jewish friends in the DC area also believe) Israel will do a Scorched Earth Policy. They will nuke every Muslim capital in their range (maybe not Istanbul) but the others, they are gone, also Tehran...gone. These Jews are playing for keeps.

birko19

2010-06-07, 23:28

There will be no peace.

That's the point.

Arabs will never accept Israel now. Ever. A Jewish state in the middle of the Middle East in a place Arabs consider rightfully there's to control by religious law and what they believe is historical precedent (same as the Israelis believe about themselves and their claim).

I'm thinking as time goes on Israel will have to resort to more drastic measures to stop Arab population growth, because eventually, if population dynamics keep up, there will be so many Arabs at Israel's gate and inside Israel that the Israelis won't have enough bullets to stop human wave attacks.

Problem is that, if other Arab states get involved, when they think the risk is less, it will go nuclear. Those Israeli Jews are not going to allow Arab hordes to run wild rape and pillage (as they will out of spite). If Israel goes down, firmly believe (and many of my liberal Jewish friends in the DC area also believe) Israel will do a Scorched Earth Policy. They will nuke every Muslim capital in their range (maybe not Istanbul) but the others, they are gone, also Tehran...gone. These Jews are playing for keeps.

Then we're not talking about the right thing here but rather reality, if that's the case, tough luck for the Arabs, whether they like it or not as long as the Jews fight and keep Israel standing, all power to them.

The way I see it, there's enough Arab land out there for Arabs, maybe it's time they stop being greedy and let others live.

slick willy

2010-06-07, 23:29

^^ Theres enough land for Arabs? Well, OK, so what does that have to with Palestinians?

birko19

2010-06-07, 23:31

^^ Theres enough land for Arabs? Well, OK, so what does that have to with Palestinians?

Palestinians are Arabs, there's plenty of land open for them to live in, if they're gonna make a circle jerk about their Arab brotherhood at least act like it and live like an Arab family.

Dean

2010-06-07, 23:53

Most Arab countries don't care about Palestinians. In fact, it's good for them in an Islamist sense as they create a good unifying PR for certain groups and ideals. As for the issue at hand in this thread, before the founding of Israel millions of Jews were already there legally and there was still plenty of tension (1929 Hebron massacre), it was things like that that created Jewish terrorist groups such as the Stern gang, with the ideals of creating a state policed by Jews to defend Jews since the British couldnt give a shit about Arab on Jew violence, as long as they didnt have to get involved.

And to Mrs Thomas's comments, I dont think Israelis want to go back to Germany or Poland any more than Germany or Poland wants to accept millions of Israeli immigrants. It was a stupid and childish comment that served only to inspire further hyperbole and short-sightedness of the issues.

ahniyvwiya

2010-06-07, 23:53

I agree with the sentiment in general but mostly because I don't support Israel as a Jewish state.
My ex is an Israeli who moved there with his mother from Moldova ten years ago. He told me there are significant cultural differences between the Euro imports, even the 2nd and 3rd generation ones and the Jews who actually hail from that region. In fact, he says they don't get along well.
It's really shameful the way people reacted to her statements, as if they are just so far off the reservation, but it's further proof of how spoiled and coddled Israelis are. It's so ridiculous the way Zionists react with such indignation upon hearing someone express the opinion that the formation of Israel was an injustice, as if that outlook is equivalent to denying the Holocaust. It's one thing to disagree with those who don't support Israel's formation, it's another to act like they are neo-Nazis.

JackKnightstick

2010-06-08, 00:17

Palestinians are Arabs, there's plenty of land open for them to live in, if they're gonna make a circle jerk about their Arab brotherhood at least act like it and live like an Arab family.

Being that Arabs speak incomprehensible dialects (often), and have very different cultures (I'm sure you don't think Lebanese live like Egyptians or Egyptians like Sauds) I can make the same argument that there are enough Germanic lands...I mean damn, most of North America, All of North Western Europe but the Northern area of France...half of Central Europe. :lol: Can't those bastards just go live in Scandinavia...?

sgh

2010-06-08, 01:35

Then we're not talking about the right thing here but rather reality, if that's the case, tough luck for the Arabs, whether they like it or not as long as the Jews fight and keep Israel standing, all power to them.

The way I see it, there's enough Arab land out there for Arabs, maybe it's time they stop being greedy and let others live.

Many Israelis make this argument and to a certain extent I agree with them. After all, hundreds of thousands of Jews were expelled from Arab countries right around the time that Israel was established as a state. Most of these Jews fled to Israel and were absorbed into Israeli society. The Israelis did not keep these Jews in refugee camps and use them as a bargaining chip against the Arab states. The Arab states, on the other hand, did employ this tactic. They kept the displaced Palestinians in refugee camps and used them as a bargaining chip against Israel. To their credit the Jordanians did assimilate some of the Palestinians into their society but the other Arab states did little to nothing for the Palestinians.

Unurautare

2010-06-08, 01:38

"Israelis Should Go Back to Germany and Poland" how about all humans should go back to Africa? lol

Fedex

2010-06-08, 02:39

bah!

With the same logic blacks should go back to Africa (we know that that didn't work out since the result was the failed state of Liberia)

And all whites from the Americas should go back to Europe.

.....

Typical communist propaganda.

Aware_Dog

2010-06-08, 03:43

I didn't know she was Arab-American. In light of her long career and service though they should have cut her more slack, even though her comments, with respect to her position, verged on senility.

Svin

2010-06-08, 03:53

I dislike both Israeli conduct and the absence of a two state solution and the fact that masses of Jews had to flee illegally to Israel for their lives in the first place. Having said that though, Jews have every damn right to inhabit Palestine as it has been a multi-ethnic zone for centuries and has had Jews and Samartarians living there over many centuries consistently. Jews, Palestinians, Druze, Bedouins should live freely with one another (segregation is fine) in this state and not feel at threat or like second class citizens like the Palestinians. The Arab-American extremist is a head case . . . . and very ignorant of the demographics of Israel. By all means, i would other wise be FOR the resettlement of Jews back to their old Middle Eastern and European homelands. But this is easier said than done and this is something we all can't deny. I do trust Turkey and Iran could possibly make good efforts to house their old Jewish community, but everyone else in the Middle East? No . . . Shameful efforts on their part! My other concern is a one state governance of Palestine by a Islamic autonomy would only impose awfully harsh conditions on Jews or let alone evict them, along with Palestinian Christians and possibly Druze. (despite their respectable status amongst the Lebanese) The issue is back BEFORE the British mandate, Jews have had to isolate themselves from others by segregating in cities such as Safed, 'power in numbers,' because for centuries, they have been exploited by Arabs, who often sought to steal their wealth and enter their villages when it would ofcourse suit them. Example, the Dhimmi tax. Many have come to the conclusion a long time ago, only a two state solution can work. I otherwise feel Jews and Arabs should owe each other protection and a mutual relationship, where they can promise not to put any's existence at threat, whilst Israeli's finance efforts to rebuild the lives of Palestinians and enhance their standards of living, owing them also a substantial more amount of sects in Israel/Palestine.

ahniyvwiya

2010-06-08, 04:09

I dislike both Israeli conduct and the absence of a two state solution. Having said that though, Jews have every damn right to inhabit Palestine as it has been a multi-ethnic zone for centuries.

I agree. I think anyone should be allowed to live anywhere, but it's the seizure of the land and the apartheid conditions which make the state of Israel deplorable. It needs to be reformatted.

Svin

2010-06-08, 04:31

I agree. I think anyone should be allowed to live anywhere

I think nations should have the right to develop their own policies regarding immigration and so forth. But, when they do, they should respect the right for all minority groups within to stay put in a nation they call home. I find this notion that anyone should be allowed to live anywhere a bit invasive though. This is why alot of the time i choose to affiliate with the nationality of my parents, over my birth nationality (despite choosing to be culturally my birth nationality), since i do not like to acknowledge living in a land i am not in any way native to. It is different for you, because you have Native American ancestry, so you will therefore feel quite spiritually tied to the land.

but it's the seizure of the land and the apartheid conditions which make the state of Israel deplorable. It needs to be reformatted.

Yes. :confused:

ahniyvwiya

2010-06-08, 07:22

I think nations should have the right to develop their own policies regarding immigration and so forth. But, when they do, they should respect the right for all minority groups within to stay put in a nation they call home. I find this notion that anyone should be allowed to live anywhere a bit invasive though. This is why alot of the time i choose to affiliate with the nationality of my parents, over my birth nationality (despite choosing to be culturally my birth nationality), since i do not like to acknowledge living in a land i am not in any way native to. It is different for you, because you have Native American ancestry, so you will therefore feel quite spiritually tied to the land.

I understand how it can be invasive, in fact it is by definition, but in the modern world it seems to be the way of things and a bit irreversible. I do feel spiritually tied to the land I live in, both because of my Amerindian ancestry and honestly the fact that my paternal line goes back all the way to Jamestown in a big way. I feel tied to the land but not to the nation, if that makes sense.

Bauer

2010-06-08, 08:38

Well, about 100,000 people isn't such a small number actually (Jews living in Germany, mostly from the former USSR).

Semitic Duwa

2010-06-08, 10:51

Funny how I get called "dirty kike" here in frogland whereas my brothers become perfect AR1ans once in Israel... Hypocrisy is the word:

The mass of contemporary Jews are hopeless as far as America is concerned. They are the product of alien blood, & inherit alien ideals, impulses, & emotions which forever preclude the possibility of wholesale assimilation... On our side there is a shuddering physical repugnance to most Semitic types...so that wherever the Wandering Jew wanders, he will have to content himself with his own society till he disappears or is killed off in some sudden outburst of mad physical loathing on our part. I've easily felt able to slaughter a score or two when jammed in a N.Y. subway train.

One of my favourite authors, H.P Lovecraft... Himself married to a Jewess:)

Dean

2010-06-08, 14:25

Funny how I get called "dirty kike" here in frogland whereas my brothers become perfect AR1ans once in Israel... Hypocrisy is the word:

One of my favourite authors, H.P Lovecraft... Himself married to a Jewess:)

Oh suck it up. I couldn't give shite what other people think of me. If they want to have preconceived notions without knowing me, then I don't think I'm missing out much by losing the chance for their friendship.

And Lovecraft was pretty insane, not to mention he didnt like all foreigners and immigrants who weren't Anglo.

Ethnicity was more salient than race for Lovecraft; he admired Anglo-Saxons in particular, not white people generally. Non-Anglo-Saxon whites of European descent are frequently disparaged in his work on ethnic grounds. The degenerate descendants of Dutch immigrants in the Catskill Mountains, "who correspond exactly to the decadent element of white trash in the South",[15] are common targets. In "The Temple", Lovecraft's highly unsympathetic narrator is a German World War I U-boat captain whose faith in his "iron German will" and the superiority of the Fatherland lead him to machine-gun helpless survivors in lifeboats and, later, kill his own crew, while blinding him to the curse he has brought upon himself.