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2010-07-04, 13:55
Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich:


The Albanian racism towards the neighbours is based on historical falsifications





Vitomir Dolinski: An interview with the persecuted albanian academic prof. Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich








VD: - You are regarded as a unique, albanian Mandela, but also as a political prisoner-record holder on the Balkan. For the insufficiently informed, at the beginning, tell us briefly about this?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In former Yugoslavia I was sentenced two years strict imprisonment, allegedly for propaganda against the socialism and the “brotherhood and unity”. After I served the punishment to the last day in the jail Idrizovo, wishing to escape to the Soviet Union I got stuck in Albania with which the USSR exactly those days severed its diplomatic relations. After the ten-year internment I was arrested by the albanian authorities and sentenced 43 years of a most monstrous imprisonment, again allegedly for antigovernment propaganda, in possession of some revolver without license, preparing to escape and for insulting the investigator. Thus, in total I am sentenced 45 years, of which 37 for antigovernment propaganda, with which I think that I am the most heavily sentenced political prisoner on the Balkan and maybe I am a unique world record holder. Actually, if it wasn’t for the (political) changes in Albania I would probably have still been in jail today. To this sentence needs to be added the severed marriage in Yugoslavia, in which fortunately I didn’t have any children and also the second marriage, in Albania, in which I had two children. During the whole time of my incarceration, not only that I wasn’t allowed to see my children, but I didn’t even know if they were alive. No one was allowed to visit me, or to give me a piece of bread. Not even the other prisoners. Those who did that were punished and the poet Gani Shkudra, who came to see me, not only that they didn’t allow him to see me, but in front of the jail, on the spot, they arrested him and sentenced him with 10 years imprisonment, allegedly for political propaganda. The only transgression attributed to him in the accusation is recorded as: “he had gone to the jail Burel to see the public enemy Kaplan Resuli and brought him bread”. While I was languishing in the infamous jail Burel, ten times they skinned me alive, literally, wanting from
me to abandon my yugoslavian (montenegrin) citizenship, the yugoslavian (montenegrin) nationality, my ideals, even my children. They were forcing me to declare myself an Albanian, not only as citizen, but in nationality (ethnicity). Several times they attempted to liquidate me, even after I was released from jail, three times they have attempted to assassinate me – twice in Tirana and once in Geneva. The Albanians themselves, not only my friends, but even the others who were antagonistic towards me, while I was in my jail cells, pronounced me an albanian Mandela. Even my most open adversary, the albanian writer Ismail Kadare, those days, the beginning of the nineties, in his attempts to befriend the european circlesand Amnesty International who were involved in my freeing, did not shirk from naming me a martyr and a hero of Albania.

VD: - Before we turn towards that period and to Your specific relationship with the most famous, but undoubtedly the most controversial person of the albanian academy, as well, Ismail Kadare, lets return to the most important phases of your creative activities which led to Your wider literary and scientific affirmation?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In Dubrovnik in 1952 I published the poem “Bojana” in which I openly named Yugoslavia and Albania, Golgotha, in which the people struggle and suffer. I was instantly called on the phone by my “countryman” Milovan Gjilas who then threatened me that he will squeeze my head so hard that instead of singing I would begin to wail.And it turned out thus. I hear in Yugoslavia he is regarded as the No.1 dissident. If truly there is no other person, then I know that I was that at least a little bit before him.

VD: - Your first jail sentence, unfortunately, occurred to You in Macedonia, where for some time in that period You worked as an educator?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Yes, I was a tutor in Tetovo when they arrested me. As it can be seen from the charges, in Macedonia I had done nothing wrong. I was accused that, allegedly, I had been involved in an antigovernment propaganda
in Montenegro. And because I was and am a montenegrin citizen, the court proceedings should have been there, in my birth town of Ulcinj. The reason for my prosecution in Tetovo was that there I didn’t have any relatives and UDBa (yugoslavian state security), which knew that I am absolutely innocent, was afraid that my prosecution among my Ulcinj people could
provoke some unwanted problems. For that reason it ordered my prosecution in Tetovo, behind closed doors. Although I am not from Tetovo, the people of this town, especially my students knew me well, as a professor and as a writer. Along the streets of the town from the court to the jail I was greeted with an open support from many of them and most likely for many of them it will be interesting to know that the key UDBa witness against me was then their collaborator, now allegedly a big fighter for the albanian cause, Adem Demaçi. The state prosecutor in his concluding talk, accusing me as “agens
spiritus” of the yugoslavian youth against the regime and seeking to be charged as such, stated that I had been and hoped that I will continue to be in future, as well, a “constructive citizen” of Yugoslavia. It is interesting that
Fatos Nano (albanian socialist premier) after my release from jail, here in Geneva described me as a “constructive citizen” of Albania, asking me to return there, in Tirana.

VD: - Your first more significant life’s disappointment, You said, implanted in You the idea to leave for the Soviet Union, but fate wanted again to play with you in a brutal fashion and “retain” You many years in the albanian jail Burel?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - True, that was some time after my completion of the jail sentence in Idrizovo. Burel was not a jail, but a place of horror. While in Idrizovo they would say “You are not here for us to fatten you up, but to count your bones” in Burel it was: “This place is called Burel, where one can get in, but can not get out”.

VD: - The numerous works which You wrote here most likely helped You to strengthen your spirit and, eventually, to survive. Actually, exactly here is created your most famous work, the novel “Treason”?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - From approximately 200,000 pages written during those thirty years, half of them I succeeded in transferring out of jail and to have them here, in Geneva. The other part was taken from me by the authorities and I have no idea what has happened with them. The novel “Treason”, otherwise, the Albanians themselves proclaimed it as
a masterpiece of the albanian literature. One of the most eminent albanian critics, Prof. Tajar Zavaljani, even described it as the only worthy work published in Albania after World War II. That type of reception for the novel in Albania and amongst the albanian diaspora perturbed Enver Hoxha (Hodzha) who was attempting to establish his likeminded relative Ismail
Kadare as the greatest albanian literary. That is why all of a sudden they “discovered” that I had not written the novel,attempting even to physically eliminate me, but it had been the work of Adem Demaçi (Demaky), for whom they were hoping that,in the meantime, he would perish in the yugoslavian jails. Since Demaçi got out of jail alive and I also survived, now,
via the printed media, they have widened a campaign against me, unseen in the history of mankind, which, imagine, the novel had been written for me by UDBa, in order to establish myself with it in Albania and thus usurp the government from Enver.

V.D. - Thus far twice, in similar context, You mentioned Kadare and I would like to remind You of 1991 when Amnesty International, as well, engages in the requests for Your release from jail and, absurdly, the one who attempted to block it was none other, but Kadare. How, actually, could that be explained?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Kadare is catapulted in the West by Ramiz Alija and the widow of Enver Hoxha, with a well planned mission. At that time it was only one of his missions – to diminish my credibility amongst the albanian public and the diaspora, fearing that I may unmask them, spoiling their future plans. For that reason, not only in private, as was
the case with Adem Demaçi, but also publicly, at meetings and via the printed media he barked against me and would accuse me, as they were instructing him from Tirana. Kadare and Demaçi are the main conspirators in of the most monstrous demonstrations in the history of mankind, when they strirred the albanian professors and students at Prishtina university to demonstrate in February 1991 against my release from jail.

VD: - On the subject “Kadare” You have up till now written much, to which special attention in the albanian public, but also in the european community have attracted Your books “The true face of Ismail Kadare” and “The lies do not alter the truth”. When, actually, began Your rivalry and what is, as You have mentioned, his well planned mission?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - In these books, actually, with documents and with facts, but also with his own self confessions, I have proven that he is catapulted in the West as an agent of Sigurimi (albanian state security), because he was that from always. As a principal ideolog of Enver, with secret interpretations on our works he was “passing judgment” for our maltreatments, internments and arrests. Actually, this was publicly stated, on Albanian Radio-Television in 1996 by the former head of Sigurimi, Zylfiar Ramizi, verifying that Kadare was in their service under the pseudonym General. He was a provocateur trained by Sigurimi to accuse anyone who, according to him, stood in his way, as he did that with me. And why?
Because academic professor Dimitar Suterilji, in his principal paper which he read out at the second Congress of Albanian Writers, placed my name and novel before his. At one plenum of the Union in 1966 I openly criticised him, which enraged him, as he was not used to being criticised. Much later, after my release from jail, a major from Sigurimi involved in my arrest openly declared that, although totally innocent, they had arrested me because they had received a secret 12-page long accusation against me and my activities, exactly from Kadare. In the meantime, he totally put his pen and talent in the
service of his benefactor Enver whose political speeches he was transforming into poems and novels. I don’t know if you are aware of the fact that Kadare published a complimentary poem lauding Enver’s “patriotic” dog, which somewhere at the border catches and pulls apart some unfortunate Albanian, only because the poor soul attempted to escape from Enver’s paradise. These are only a few pieces of evidence about the moral profile of the “great” literary and “certain” Nobel prize winner Ismail Kadare, whose main preoccupation today is to poison and deceive the West with the albanian historical falsifications about the alleged famous illiryan-albanian past and culture, which, what absurdity, had suffered multi-centuries harm from the activities of its surrounding barbaric “slavic” peoples.

VD: - This is, I think, an opportune moment to begin our discussion for Your third, certainly an important segment, as well, of Your writings – the scientific-research work. You have published numerous works from the sphere of the albanian historiography and linguistics, which brought You significant prestige, scientific titles and also an honorary membership in the Albanian Science Academy. When did actually begin Your scientific interest for the Albanology?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Already in 1995 at the university of Skopje it became clear to me that there will not be peace on the Balkan until the albanian question is clarified. For that reason I switched from the law faculty to the albanological studies and here, contrary to what was being said and written not only by the albanian, but also by our, yugoslavian scholars, contrary to what is being taught not only in the albanian language schools (in Albania, as well as in Macedonia), but also in the schools of “south-slavic” languages, I discovered that not only the Albanians are not autochthonous people, but they are also not related in any way to the Pelasgians or the Illyrians. Understandably, not one of the professors in albanology has said this to me. They still continued with the tale that allegedly Albanians are autochthonous pelasgoillyrian descendants. I discovered that by chance, studying the albanian language, which, all agree,
is of the type SATEM. According to that global division of languages, researching the illyrian language I discovered that it is of the type KENTUM. The most elementary logic was saying to me that one SATEM language can not be a direct descendant, not even a kind of derivative of some KENTUM language, without a change of its substrate. Since the albanian language does not have any changes in its substrate, that means that the Albanians can’t be, under any circumstance, genealogical descendants of the Illyrians. Later I discovered this, as well, in the works of the world renown professors and scholars Paul, Hirt, Vaigand, Tomashek, Georgiev, Puscariu and many others, who with numerous scholarly arguments, linguistic and historical, have proven that the Albanians not only do not have anything in common with the Illyrians, not only that they are not autochthonous at any place in the Balkan, but they are not even autochthonous in the territories of modern day Albania. Vaigand for example has formulated 12 arguments. To all of those I’ve added another five. Unfortunately, these scientists are not being mentioned in (the study) Albanology, nor in Albania, nor aret they mentioned in Yugoslavia, or in Macedonia, because the albanian professors consciously hide the truth about the origins of the Albanians and, instead of it (the truth), to their pupils and students they serve up the lies about their autochthony and illyrian origin.
Via those lies they poison the whole nation. This is not done accidentally, but with the aim to incite the Albanians against the neighbouring nations, thus, hooking them on the “fishing line” of some invented, wide ethnic territories, to use them as cannon fodder for the interests of some criminalised leaders and the international Capital. The primary motive that inspired me to oppose the albanian pseudo science about their illyrian origin was the truth, the love for the truth, my special inclination towards it, but second and equally as important motive was the fact that, watching the
Albanians being breast-fed with chauvinism and racism, are being encouraged to fight their neighbouring peoples (nations), I was hoping that if the truth is explained to them, they will move away from the tales, legends and myths about their autochthony and illyromania, thus ceasing with their inexcusable and baseless hatred towards their neighbours.

VD: - How did the albanian public receive Your albanological research and discoveries?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Once even Enver Hoxha was forced to admit that the albanian science lacks scientific objectivity. The albanian poet Mimoza Erebara in the Science Academy asked them directly what was the situation with my scientific discoveries. They had told her: “We know that very well even before Kaplan, but now is not the time for all of that to be told” Since in the publication “YLBERI” (comes out since 1993, in Geneva) and especially through my albanological collection THE ILLYRIANS AND THE ALBANIANS I demonstrated in written form my points of view, the albanian academic Vincents Golleti, in the printed media stated: “The stances of Kaplan Burovikj about the albanological problems, especially on the problem of the origin of the Albanians, need to be greeted most warmly, while the studies which he publishes in relation with those problems should be propagated throughout the whole of the scholarly world”. After him followed the albanian scholar Dr. Adrian Qosi who in the middle of Tirana openly opposed the hypothesis about the illyrian origin of the Albanians.
With me agreed, via the printed media, several other younger scholars of whom I would especially mention Fatos Ljubonja, Prof. Adrian Vebiu and others. I can say that today appeared a group of new albanian scholars who do not agree with the false myths and courageously accept the scientific truth. I am proud that I lead this group and that they took up from me the necessary scholarly courage. Because, believe me, that is not easy at all, as the extreme albanian nationalists, chauvinists and racists led by Ismail Kadare, through the most severe forms of chicanery and satanising are
attempting to silence us at any cost. The mentioned Dr Adrian Klosi when he stated that the hypothesis for the illyrian origin of the Albanians is unfounded, added: “But it is better not to talk about that because they will declare us anti Albanians”. And they did.

VD: - Since when actually dates the oldest evidence for the existence of the Albanians and the albanian language?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The oldest evidenced text in an albanian language is “Formula ë paleximit” (Formula for communion), translated from Latin in 8-11-1462 by the Montenegrin Pavle Angjelich, whom the Albanians
have albanised with the name Pal Engylli. The first book in albanian is “Meshari” (The Book of Thoughts), a manual for religious sermons, dates from 1555 and is written by the Croatian Ivan Buzuk and published in Montenegro. And, understandably, they albanise him with the name Gjon Buzuku. For your information, the first primer in albanian, after the proclamation of the albanian independence is a work of “Slavs” and Vlachs. Dositej Obradovich is the first in history who opens a school in albanian language, while it was exactly Serbia which was the first state to recognise
independent Albania. The Macedonians have a significant input in the development of the albanian culture. For example,one of the oldest publishers in Albania is the Macedonian Petar Budi (1566-1622) who has published three books in albanian, and also a Macedonian is Jovan Kukuzel, whom the Albanians have claimed as their own and have albanised with the name Jan Kukuzeli, although it is known that when he was born in Drach, XI century, here there still is not even one Albanian. Let me remind you also of Grigor Prlichev (1830-1893) who for some time is a teacher in Tirana and published
the wonderful poem “Skenderbeg”. Undeniable is the fact that always at the forefront of all of their positive processesthe Albanians had namely non Albanians. Lets mention, as well, at this opportune time only Georgi Kastriot – Skenderbeg, of an undeniable “slavic” ancestry, Naim Frasheri (a Vlach, an albanian national poet) or Fan Noli (a Greek, whose real name is Theofanos Mavromatis), Petar Bogdan, a Serb, or Ismail Kemali, a Turk who was proclaiming the albanian independencein 1912. As you can see, the foundations of the albanian culture and statehood are laid by non Albanians, from which a large number are “Slavs”, but that does not stand in the way of the albanian nationalists, or “marxists-leninists”, all the same, to thump their chests and declare that they have achieved everything by themselves and that the other people (nations), especially the “Slavs” have only been their enemies.

VD: - Undeniable is the fact that in Albania the toponyms are, say, without exception “slavic”. To what is that owed?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: On the territory of today’s Albania, as has already been confirmed by the most distinguished world scholars, from whom I have already mentioned some, first settled the Slavs. In 548 A.D. they eenter also in Durrachium (Drach, Durrls). The Albanians come via Transylvania (Romania) and Bulgaria much later, IX-X century.
In the meantime, understandably, the Slavs have already named all mountains, valleys, rivers, towns and villages, and built some new ones, giving them their own names. When the Albanians arrive on the Balkan and today’s Albania, there is nothing else they can do except to take those toponyms. A large part of Albania is flooded with serbian and macedonian
toponyms. Just as an example I wish to mention the towns of Pogradec, Korça (Korcha), Çorovoda (Chorovoda), Berat, Bozigrad, Leskovik, Voskopoja, Kuzova, Kelcira, Bels and others.

VD: - In the macedonian community little is known that more than 90 percent of the lexical fund of the albanian language are words taken up from other languages. You especially have analysed the subject of the “slavisms”
in the albanian language. It would be interesting some more to be said about this?


Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - For the first time I graduated in Skopje, exactly with the theme “Slavisms in the albanian language”. The second diploma, as well, at the university of Tirana, I defended with a linguistic theme. Especially in “The Dictionary of the Albanian Language in Ulcinj” I have elaborated the etymology of all words. Actually, it can be supposd that if the Turks did not come to the Balkans, the albanian language in not more than 100-200 years would have been completely “slavicised”. The serbian, macedonian and bulgarian languages have penetrated so much into
the albanian language that they have flooded not only the lexicon, but they have displaced its phonetics, morphology and syntax. Besides the significant cultural prestige of these languages compared to the albanian, this is also due to the significant albanisation of not a small number of Serbs, Macedonians and Montenegrins, especially the ones who were previously islamised. As it is known, the Albanians have a strongly developed power of assimilation. That a good part of them by origin is Serbs, Macedonians or Montenegrins, is witnessed by their patrons, surnames, but many of them even today speak their “slavic” language. In Albania there are whole regions along the border, especially towards Macedonia, settled with a compact “slavic” population, which is even more numerous, lets say, than the Albanians in Macedonia.

VD: - Lets talk a little also about the numerous ethnonyms which from the albanian side, often baselessly, are forced as synonyms. How come so many ethnic names for the Albanians?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - That, as well, witnesses the ethnogenesis of the Albanians after their arrival on the Balkan and populating the northern albanian mountains. I have already mentioned about the Illyrians, but the second ethnonym to which they pretend, the Dardanians, it is known, were not Illyrians, but Thracians. Even if they (Dardanians) had been Illyrians, again they haven’t any connection with the Albanians, because that kind of connection neither have the Illyrians themselves. Science has proven that very clearly. In respect of the Albanoi(an)s, they are a celtic tribe which on the territory of Albania, in the region Mat, arrives in the IV century BC. Today’s Albanians, actually, only much, much later take over their name, as have done today’s Bulgarians from the non slavic Bulgars of Asparuh, or today’s French, from the old germanic Franks, deforming the old celtic name Arlbn/Arlbr. Arbanasi is the other name with which our ancestors the “Slavs” are naming them during the Middle Ages. Arnauts is the name which the Turks use for them. It should be known that not all Arnauts were at the same time Albanians, as well. Because the Arnauts (Albanians) got a reputation as good hired hands in the turkish empire, the other mercenaries were also called Arnauts.
That means that there were Serbs, Montenegrins and Macedonians ARNAUTS, because some of them are also islamised, thus as muslims they serve under the turkish flag not only as common soldiers, but also as arnauts (mercenaries). Skiptar (or Shiptar and deformed Shiftar, all originate from the albanian appellative Shqipltar) is the current national name of the
Albanians, spread amongst them in the XVII-XIX century, influenced by the name Osman, as the Turks were naming themselves. Namely, osman in turkish is “eagle”, while in albanian it is “shquipe”. Thus the Albanians of muslim faith wanted to relate themselves with the muslims Turks, which was also the aim of the Porte, even of the original platform of the Prizren League, which originally is not albanian at all, but pan islamic. And if its primary aims succeeded, most probably the Albanians would not exist today because all of them in the meantime would have become Turks.

VD: - Here as well, is the known division Ghegs-Toscs from which originates the known language question which, it seems, still has not been overcome by the Albanians?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The language question in Albania is not settled even today. Although formally (and by force) Enver Hoxha established as a common, official language the Tosc dialect (until then it was the Gheg dialect),the Ghegs have not given up. They still continue to speak and write in their dialect, although they are persecuted and maltreated because of it. When in 1965 in Albania I published the novel “Treason” in the Gheg dialect the Albanians of northern Albania openly requested the language of this book to be declared as the literary and official language of Albania.
That too was one of the reasons for my satanisation which still continues. You should know that the difference between the Tosc and the Gheg dialects is much bigger than the differences between some “slavic” languages, for example the macedonian and the serbian. From another side, more Albanians, about two thirds, speak in gheg, which is lexically richer, purer and
also has much greater expressional opportunities. With the enforcement of the tosc dialect, which was of a pure political nature (motive), a crime has been perpetrated against the Albanians and their culture.

VD: - One of the fallacies (delusions), unfortunately, it seems somehow silently accepted even outside of Albania is the so called monolithic nature of the albanian population in the Republic of Albania in which allegedly live 97-98% ethnic Albanians, for which You have already said something previously. What is, according to You, the reality in that respect in Albania?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - When Albania is proclaimed and recognised as an independent nation (1912-1913) its population numbered 700,000 of which hardly 50% were Albanians, while the other half was made up of Vlachs (around 20%), “Slavs” (Macedonians, Serbs, Montenegrins, around 15%),Greeks (around5%) and others (Turks, Roms, Cherkesians, Italians, Jews and others, around 10%). With the passing of time, mostly by force, with denial of all national rights, including the right to speak in their own languages at home, or to carry their own national family names, they are to a certain extent assimilated. But, even besides the such forced albanisation, in Albania even today over 30% of the population speaks a non albanian language and retains its non albanian national identity, although they are registered as Albanians, as they are not permitted to declare differently. The non albanian origins of the population of Albania is also evident from their surnames Bello, Blushi, Bogdani, Buda, Budi, Dida, Dobraci, Dragovoja, Dragusha, Haveri(ch), Kapisuzi(ch), Mexi, Millani, Milloshi, Mojsiu, Muzaka, Najdeni, Peku, Prela, Ruka, Sillil, Shkura, Shundi, Ziu and many others.

VD: - In Your research You have also paid special attention to the ethnic expansion of the Albanians in the past 2-3 centuries towards its neighbouring (serbian, macedonian, greek and others) regions, for which now, the last several decades, to begin to proclaim exactly them as their “ethnic territories” in which they allegedly lived from eternity?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - This truly is absurd and, in any case it is good that there remain numerous proofs for their undeniable expansion, which I have integrally collected and published in my study “The origins of the Albanians in Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro and Greece”. One needs to be objective and tell the truth, not because of the truth itself, but because it will contribute toward overcoming of the many problems on the Balkan. That the Albanians only in the past couple of centuries have expanded admitted publicly, via the printed media, the most eminent contemporary albanian scientist, academic professor Elrem Cabej (Tsabej), who, forced by the numerous arguments, was unable, but to conclude that today’s territories on which the Albanians live are not “a zone of RESTRICTION”, but “a zone of EXPANSION”. And not only he! That also is verified in the “HISTORIA Ë SHQIPERISË” itself, compiled by the albanian scientists themselves.

VD: - Recently from Tirana were launched some “evidences” about an existence of 14 million Albanians. Amongst the numerous “Albanians” who had indebted the world civilisation was included, as well, Alexander of Macedonia!?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - I’ve read that, as well. The albanian academic, Prof. Dr Skender Rizaj once even in his “scientific” works stated that, also all Serbs, Montenegrins, Macedonians, Bosnians and Herzegovians are, in reality, “slavicised” Albanians. By that method we should “admit” that they are not only 14, but possibly even 140 millions. I have already published a study about the “scientific” work “The Illyrians spoke albanian – The Albanians speak illyrian” published by Preloc Margiljaj. I would like to present for this suitable moment only a few short quotes which can also be found in other albanian historical-linguistic “experts”: “The Albanians are one of the oldest nations (peoples) in Europe” (page 438) “it is clear that Crete is the first fireplace of culture and civilisation in the aegean region and in Europe. Crete from the forgotten times of the past was settled with the pelasgian, rather the illyrian or albanian people, thus in Crete ruled the albanian language, which in other words, is the starting point and the first source of the european culture and civilisation”. (page296). Starting from this, this albanian “scientist” wants the albanian language to be taught in all schools around the world as a compulsory language because, according to him, without knowing that language it would not be possible to comprehend the world culture(!?). In respect of Alexander of Macedonia, even Enver Hoxha has written that he is an Albanian, expressing that also in one discussion with the indian ambassador in Tirana, as if personally he, Enver, had sent him to India, even as an ambassador to establish friendly relations between these two countries and peoples. These undoubtedly racist yearnings of the Albanians are certainly the result of their economic and cultural poverty, of their backwardness and late development in comparison with the other nations, amongst which are those of its neighbours, I would say of their frustration because of all of that.

VD: - Do You believe, regardless, in the possibility that the young, unburdened scientists and politicians in Albania will accept the reality and they, abandoning the greater albanian dreams, to give their own contribution towards the development in real good-neighbourly relations?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - I do believe! I have already cited several names of such young scientists. I can also give you names of young politicians unburdened of the greater albanian yearnings. But they still don’t have the power for that, except their pens and good intentions, with which they can’t act freely because the albanian print media is strictly censured by the greateralbanians, and the streets of the cities, unfortunately, are still patrolled by gangsters who, in the service of the social-fascist band, are ready to hit anyone with a brick on the head or with a bullet in the forehead!

VD: - For ten years, as a political emigrant, You have been living in Geneva, Switzerland. Do you have an impression that the so called democratic Europe and the West, generally, understand our Balkan situations?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - Democratic Europe, I’m afraid, at least in respect of us, does not exist at all. The antidemocratic one, on the other hand, hand never understood them, nor want to understand our Balkan difficulties. Europe was and still is in the service of The Capital. Its “democracy” is only an expression of that Capital. It uses our Balkan peoples and situations for penetration (expansion) and for ruling the world, for its own battle against the true, real democracy and its carriers.

VD: - Concordant with Your rich life experience, after all that in the past period happened on the Balkan, and which, sadly, culminated with several bloody wars, are You of the opinion that all of that, simply, had to happen?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - No! Absolutely not! All of that could and can, even needs to be solved without blood. Let the Albanians prove that even Moscow is theirs, thus give them even it. But until they prove that, they should not be given even one stone from our fatherlands, not only to prevent them from desecrating it, but in order to prevent them from smashing their own heads with it.

VD: - To conclude, I believe it would be interesting to hear Your prediction how the things could be developing in the near future?

Dr. Kaplan Resuli-Burovich: - The Americans have reached their aim – on the Balkan they have installed their military bases. Let us hope that they will not support the terrorism and to use the Albanians as cannon fodder. And the Albanians, certainly, in the meantime will wake up and will not allow either the Americans or whoever else to use them as such. For that, understandably, with self criticism, all of us need to assist them. I hope that for this will also contribute this interview, for which I most sincerely thank you, not as a foreigner, but as your brother, because I have always thought of Skopje as my second birth town and Macedonia as my second, true fatherland. I use this opportunity to send my greetings to my school friends from the Skopje gymnasium “J. B. Tito”, also the personnel from the macedonian embassies in Geneva and Tirana with whom I have met many times and keep wonderful memories from the discussions with them, especially with the recent (former) ambassador in Albania, Risto Nikovski. Understandably, special greetings to my friends and “comrades” from KPD “Idrizovo”.


''The alphabet of the Caucasian Albanians, one of the Ibero-Caucasian peoples, ancient and indigenous population of modern Azerbaijan and Daghestan is also called the Albanian alphabet (in addition to that of the modern country of Albania; see Albanian alphabet). This alphabet (with 52 letters) was invented in the 6th century AD on basis of the Georgian Asomtavruli and was discovered in 1937 by the noted Georgian scholar, Professor Ilia Abuladze.''


From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albania...bet_(Caucasian)


Balkan Albanians had also their own alphabet,known as 'Elbasani script'...
later they borrowed other alphabets,and now they use latinic...


This is chronological order of alphabets in Albania(Balkans):

''Albanian (Illyrian) language

Alphabets:

Elbassan
Büthakukye's
Veso Bei's
Greek ( - 1908)
Latin''


From:http://www.writingsystems.net/languages/albanian/

Funny eneough,both Elbasani script,and Caucasian-Albanian alphabet have 52 letters....


Elbasani script:

http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/elbasan.gif

Letters of caucasian Albanian:

http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/ai113_folder/113_photos/113_032_georgian_long.jpg

Texts in Caucasian albanian:

http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/ai113_folder/113_photos/113_036_corinthians.jpg

http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/ai113_folder/113_photos/113_034_armenian.jpg

Although two thirds Muslim, a tiny number of Albanians remained who had not mixed with the Turks, and under their leadership an independence movement was organized.



Above: The mixed racial ancestry of many - but not all - Albanians can be seen in this 1999 photograph of two soldiers from the Kosovo Liberation Army, who fought against the Serbian government in that year. The soldier on the left is 'Turkish' in appearance - and ironically, carries the two headed eagle flag of the original White Albanians, the Shqiperia.

Above: "An Albanian man smokes a cigarette as his wife carries hay alongside the national road in near Elbasan, near the capital of Tirana February 24, 2003. In rural Albania, tradition dictates that women to do all the house chores with men never helping as this is seen to be a sign of weakness" (REUTERS/Arben Celi). :
http://www.white-history.com/refuting_rm/romans/albanian_pack_animal.jpg

>>Albanians have NOTHING to do with Illyrians<<

Very true, the Albos have absolutely NO connection to the ancient Illyrians based on latest research, we can most probaly find their origin somewhere in the Caucasus.

Some facts to concider:
a)The Albanians were never mentioned in Byzantine, (not even of the works by Constantine VII Porphyrogenitus), Arab, Armenian or any other texts before the 12th cent.

b)Language:
Albanian is classified as an IE language only because no one has been able to classify it into any other group, and this is because no one has yet studied all the Caucasus languages.
Albanian might have IE sounding words, but its basic structure and syntax are more similar to Chechen and Udish than to any IE language. Many Albanian words do sound Indo- European, because Albanian has borrowed over 80% of its vocabulary, more than any other European language.
The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

c)Their alphabet interestingly enough, had Arabic letters untill 1908 when the alphabet they use today was adopted.

d)The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.

e)The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.

f)Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.

g)Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:
Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria

h) The fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Illyrian language based on the Messapic inscriptions found in tombs. So we must come to the conclusion that they either came from a different location (Caucasus theory) or the Illyrian tribes had absolutely NO ability of comunicating with eachother.
(that does sound stupid don't you think?)

i) The Illyrian city names mentioned in ancient times that were kept do not follow the Albanian sound change laws, suggesting that they were late borrowing from an intermediary language (most likely Romance or Slavic), rather than inherited (for example ancient Aulona should have been inherited in modern Albanian as Alor? instead of Vlore.

j)Ptolemy in Book 5 chapter 15 titled "Location of Illyria or Liburnia, and of Dalmatia" (The Fifth Map of Europe)
Never mentions the alleged "albanopolis" that they support he has, and can be found at 46 degrees and 41 degrees 45', but when you look up what he really has writen, you find the city of Thermidava
Ptolemy's Goegraphy can be found at :
penelope.uchicago.edu/Tha.../home.html

k) Now, when we look at apostle Bartholomew's life, we find he labored in the area around the south end of the Caspian Sea, in the section that was then called Armenia. The modern name of the district where he died is Azerbaijan and the place of his death, called in New Testament times ALBANOPOLIS!!!, is now Derbend which is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea.

l) Out of a list of 40-50 Illyrian city names known to us only 2-5 of the Albanian city names can be connected to them.

m) There is NO MEMORY!!! of the Illyrian past in the Albanian cultural heritage.

n) One of the interesting facts that connect the Albanians to the Caucasus and that they are not the descendants of the Ancient Illyrians is the Turkish name for the Albanians. "Arnauti", which means "those who have not returned" in Arabic, for the Turks were aware of the origins of the Albanians. And they truly did not return, they stayed in Serbian and Byzantine lands.

o) Hard evidence is the Turkish censuses carried out in 1455, they indicate that Albanian names are found in only 80 of the 600 villages listed in the area, and that they did not constitute territorial groups, ruling out any assumptions that zones evenly and continuously inhabited by Albanians existed at the time.

p) The first Albo dictionary was published in 1635 and contained only 5,000 words, when today any pocket dictionary contains at least 250.000 proving that their language was still under development.

q) The most interesting fact is our knoledge of the Arab conquer of the Albanian Caucasus sometime around the 7th cent based on Byzantine, Arab and Armenian sources.
They were converted to Islam and used as military troops to attack Sicily, dividing it into two parts, (hence there was the Kingom of the two Sicilies). In order to populate their part of Sicily, the Arabs brought with them Old Albanians from the Caucasus.

Then in 1042, the Byzantine Empire attacked the yong Serbian state after having defeated the Arabs in Sicily and having brought the Sicilian Albanians under their command and christianizing them. The leader of the Byzantines who led the Albanians was named Georgius Maniakos. Maniakos brought Albanian mercenaries from Sicily to fight the Serbs and they settled in two waves in modern day Albania, first the mercanaries came, and then came the women and children. After the defeat of Maniakos, the Byzantines would not let the Albanians return, thus the Albanians requested that the Serbs let them stay on the land. They settled under mount Raban and the city of Berat and from this, the Serbs called them "Rabanasi" or "Arbanasi". The city of Berat was known as Belgrad also, before the Albanians came to settle there. They mostly tended sheep and cattle and lent themselves out to Serbian nobles as brave soldiers.

A fact to support this exept the texts themselfs is their flag. I'm sure you know that the Byzantine war flag was a double headed eagle on a red background.


Now to get to the topic, I find it hard to believe that the Serbs are actually descendants of the Illyrians simply because we know they came from Caucasus.
See:
The Serbs were mentioned by Plinius the Younger in the first century BC (69-75) as living on the Black sea and the Sea of Azov as Serboi in his Geographica.
Herodotus writes in his Persian Wars that Serbs live behind the Caucasus, near the hinterland of the Black Sea.
We also can find the Roman emperor Licinius calling the Carpathians 'Serb mountains' so we have proof of the Serbs living in the Caucasus.

So I guess the question is, if the Illyrian population was assimilated by the Serbs, and in order to prove the connection to the Illyrians shouldn't you be able to provide proof of linguistic connections also?
From what I've found, both the Albanian and Slavic languages are totally alien to Messapic inscriptions.
But then again I might be wrong.

I vould like this to be civilized discussion.I will post logical arguments against Illyrian origin of Albanians,and I want logical arguments against it.
Illyrian theory of Albanians has been created in late 19 century linguists.Reason for that is fact that Albanian language cannot be classified into ANY known branch of Indo-European.Although Indo-European,Albanian is most distant from all languages of that family.
So some Croatian,SERBIAN and German linguists have said that Albanian COULD BE descentant of ancient Illyrian.
That was before research of CAUCASIAN languages.
Also that was before of findings of inscriptions on VENETIAN.
Venetii were most western branch of Illyrians,and have lived in Histria(Istra)and Veneto region in Italy.
Also there were found inscriptions on thombstone in Sqoder in Albania..."ANA OETHE ISER".
And on ancient Venetian..."MEXO ZOTO VHUXSIIA VOTNA SHAIN ATEI REITIIAI OP VOLTIIO LENO" and
"PLETEI VEIXNOI KARANMNIIOI EKUPETHARIS EXO".
Those inscriptions are probably only thing we have from ancient Illyrians.We can see strong diftong structure,and afiliation towards Hellenic(Greek language).
Illyrians were under great Greek cultural influence,as we can see from archaelogy.Although enemies Greeks and Illyrians have good trading relationships.
Illyrian battle helmet was very similar to Greek,and Illyrians have imported bronze and clay pottery from Greece.
Albania was very early under Greek colonisation process.
Illyrian lands came under Roman rule very early,about 2 cent.b.c.Illyrians had their elements of state in DALMATIA.They show resistance under BATON and TEUTA,but they were crushed.Center of Illyrian state of Teuta was in HVAR island in CROATIA.
Under Roman rule Illyrians have been FULLY ROMANIZED.
Romans have also bring collonists from Italy and other regions of empire.
In 3 century a.d Illyrians cease to exists as ethnicity.
They were merged with Thracians,Celts and Italics.
Population of western Balkans during Roman times have spoke Latin derived language(Latinus vulgaris).
Tombstones,remnants of inscriptions in both Aristocrate and farmer items shows FULLY LATINIZATION.
Illyrians(now Romans)had Roman identities,and have become most fanatical defenders of empire.
Their common names shows Greek afinities.
Emperor Diocletian real name was DIOCLES.
Probably Illyrians have belong to same group of Indo-Europeans as Hellenes(Greeks).
Only thing that has left of Illyrians were name of province(ILLYRICUM).By that name Romans considered territory of central Balkan.
Illyricum was territory for recruiting Legionaires,like GALLIA(France).
Romans have build cities and roads all across Balkans.
In Albania(and in Kosovo)Romans have build systems of roads.Early inscriptions shows some Illyrian influence(like the ones above),while later are only on LATIN.
Albania was among first territory to become Roman.
It is impossible that some Illyrians could survive in isolation,for such a long time.
Also Illyrian language was far from todays Albanian.
Kosovo was inhabited by DARDANIANS,which were mixed Illyro-Thracian population.Center of dardanians was Skopje(Scupi).
Dardanians have been among best legionaires from Balkans.Their tombstones shows LATIN inscriptions and identification.
Roman empire was melting pot,and in late empire population have fully identified with Rome.
In 4 cent.population of Roman empire was christianized.
Archeological evidence shows that late Roman were very religious christians,although some pagans have managed to survive in eastern Serbia and Bulgaria all the way to Slavic settling.
Do we still have descendants of those Latinized Illyrians?
YES!
Those are VLACHS and AROUMANIANS(CINCARI).
Vlachs are latin speaking aboriginals of balkans,and they have lived and still live in Serbia,Bulgaria,Greece and ALBANIA.
Vlachs have lived in Dalmatia(MORLACS)and in Bosnia until 18 century.Now they are absorbed.
Romanians are also aboriginals of balkans and latin speakers.
Romania was under Roman rule for about 100 years.But Romanians are fully latinized.Romania is much more larger then Albania.
Albania was under Roman rule over 600 years.
Vlachs,Aromanians and Romanians share common Roman origin.Romanians are mixure of Dacians and Roman colonists,and Vlachs and Aromanians are mixure of Illyrians/Thracians/Celts with Roman colonists.
Later Balkan latins identify with Byzantine empire and with Greek culture.

There is no archaelogical evidence of transition between Illyrians and Albanians.
However there is evidence of transition between Illyrians and Vlachs.

Aromanians(Cincari) are form of Vlachs.Unlike other Vlachs,Aromanians are urban population.
They say that they are descendent of 5 Roman legion,and that they came from Macedonia.
Indeed 5=CINQUE=CINCAR.
And there have been LEGIONES V.DARDANORUM,which had defended this part of limes from barbarians.
Dardanians are from Macedonia and Kosovo.
Aromanians are direct descendants os Dardanians.

Albanians are never mentioned in Roman or Byzantine chronicles.They suddenly apear in 11 century.
Territory of Albania was inhabited by slavs also,and there are still Serbs ans Macedonians living there.
Albanians are mentioned as nomadic sheperds.
French crusaders described Albanians as people who live in TENTS(nomadic origin?).This was mentioned in 12 century.
Albanians were not majority in Albania before 17 century.
AROMANIANS were majority,and their center was MOSCOPOLIS in central Albania,near Tirana.
Albanian tribes have wipped them in several attacs in 17 and 18 century.There are still Aromanians in south and central Albania today,as tiny minority.
In middle ages Albanians(Arvanitoi,Arbanasi)were small ethnic group,almost non existant.
They have been minority in Albania,and in Kosovo they have been almost non existent.
So who are Albanians really?
It is interesting that they are first mentioned in 11 century.That correspond with PECHENEG and KUMAN invasion from east.
Kumans were nomadic tribe from asia wich came with some OTHER groups in Balkans.They have pass through Bulgaria ,Macedonia and what is today Albania.
Albanians(Shqiptar)were caucasian group which came with them.
Albanian language shows close grammatical and sythaxical similarity with CIRCASSIAN(LEZGIAN)languages.
caucassian languages are different between eachother,but they have same structure and accentation.
Albanian language shows same afinities.
Closest to Albanian are CHECHEN,INGUSH and UDI(LEZGIAN).Udi is last remnant of ancient caucasian ALBANIAN.
Links...Chechen grammar and dictionary=ingush.narod.ru/chech/awde/
Udi grammar and dictionary...www.Irz-muenchen.de/~wschulze/Uog.html
Check links "Udi and problem of circassian Albania" and
link with Udi text "Yesiraq'i pashtag".

Only Albanian historic figure was Gheoghi Kastrioti(Skenderbeg).He was however Greek noble Georgios Kastriotes.He had lead Albanian tribes and Vlachs against Turks.Most of their fighters were Aromanians.
Albanians were just one of them(from Kruje region).
Albanian eagle was derived from Byzantine and Serbian double headed eagle.Those early CHERKEZ Albanians have identify with Serbian and Byzantine state.
Under Skenderbeg they wage war against the Turks under banner of two headed eagle.
Thus they called themselves 'people of eagle'=SHQIPTAR.
Albanians never had strong national awerness.
They preserve tribal structure and customes from caucasus,which are so alien to Greeks and Serbs.

With conversion to Islam,actually starts Albanian expansion.
Albanians first appear in Kosovo in late 14 cent. as sheperds.They have came there probably leading herds of sheeps and goats from mountains of northern Albania to Metohija valley.
Original Albanians were concentrated in Kruja region,and starts to spread to north and south.
With Islam Albanians got agressive expansionist ideology.
In Ottoman empire they become instrument of Islamization.In name of Islam they have destroyed Aromanian majority,and lots of them become Albanized(TOSCS).Islamisation also meant Albanisation.
Albanians have turn into albanians a lot of aboriginal population.
Kosovo,with its fertile land was special prize.
Shumbi and Malisori tribes have penetrated durind Turkish times in Kosovo,starting to terorize christian(Serbian and Vlach population)and converting them into Islam.Those Islamized Serbs became Albanians.
Some remember their Serbian origins(Goranci).
Kosovo is Serbian word.It means land of Kos(Blackbird,similar to raven).Central region of Kosovo is SRBICA.
"Kosova"is albanized Serbian word,and it means nothing in Albanian.
Most of cities in Albania was builded by Italians,Greeks and Serbs,before appearance of Albanians from caucasus.

Idea of uniting all Albanians came with "Prizren ligue".
The goal was to create Albanians as most elite members of OTTOMAN EMPIRE.They consider Albanians as leading banner of Islam.

Albanians have took Illyrian theory with passion.It give them exuse from expansionism.Also it give them exuse to terrorize other ethnic groups.
Albanian state was created with help of Italy and Austro-Hungaria,to stop Serbian expansion to adriatic.
Albanians were mostly instrument of foreign powers..Turks,Italians,Americans...

First president of Albania was Fan Noli,an Aroumanian.
He was owerthroned and replaced by king Zogu,with help from king Alexander of Yugoslavia.

Albanian today give their children names like ILJIR or DARDAN.However they cannot claim past of other nations.

CONCLUSIONS...

Albanian language is morphologically circassian language,with strong influences of Greek,Italian and Serbian.
Vlachs and Aromanians are true descendants of Illyrians.
Albanians(as nation)are caucasian people.
Original Illyrians were of mediterean and dinaric race.
Original Albanians were of Armenoid race.
Original Serbs were of nordic and baltic race.
Both Albanians and Serbs today are of dinaric/med,like Illyrians of ancient times.
Both Serbs and Albanians have some Illyrian blood in them.
Some surnames are not Slavic,but rather latin,like Macura=Mazzura,Kapisoda,Basara.
Others are slavicized latin Galovic=Gallo,Demajorovic=De Major.
Serbs and Albanians as nations cannot claim Illyrian ancestry.Only Vlachs and Aromanians can.
Serbs are defined as Slavs,Albanians as Lezgian.
Racially both Serbs and Albanians are balkan nations.
Center of Dinaric race is MONTENEGRO.And,no Montenegrins are not slavicized Albanians.Only Kuchi clan from Montenegro is from Albanian origin.
Ghegs are original circassian Albanians,while Tosks are albanized Greeks and Aromanians.

Only states which can say that they are aboriginal on Balkans are GREECE and ROMANIA.


The oldest people on this part of Europe????

Being an Albanian you must speak the language. So tell us all about why the Chechen language is similar to Albanian.
They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.

examples:

CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

Or what about the coincidense of many common place names:???

Albo-Arnauti -Caucasus- Arnauti
(Turks and Balkan peoples call Albanians by this name; likely from arch. Turk: Arran)
Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka - Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)

Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)

Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")

Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekouli
Albo-Skuraj - Caucasus-Skuria

How about the fact that Albanian is totally alien to the Messapic words found from inscriptions??
(if any Albanian word is misspelled or wrongly translated correct me, I'm using an online translator)

Illyrian-"alt"= (a stream) Albo -"LUMË, RRYMË, CURRIL, RRËKE, PËRRUA, NIVEL"
Illyrian-"barba"= (a swamp) Albo -"MOÇAL"
Illyrian-"bra"= (brother) Albo-VËLLA, SHOK
Illyrian-"mag"= (great) Albo- FAMSHËM, KRYESOR, FISNIK, SHKËLQYER
Illyrian-"brisa"= (grapes) Albo-RRUSH
Illyrian-"metu"=(between) Albo-MES,NDËRMJET
Illyrian-"oseriates"=(lake) Albo-LIQEN, PELLG
Illyrian-"plo"=(strong) Albo-FORTË, THANTË
Illyrian-"rinos"=(cloud) Albo-HIJE, RE, TUFË
Illyrian-"sybina"=(a spear) Albo-SHTIZË
Illyrian-"teuta"=(a tribe/people) Albo-FIS, KLAN/ POPULL, KOMBËSI, GJINDE
Illyrian-"ves"=(kind) Albo-MIRË, DASHUR, SJELLSHËM

Sources for the Illyrian words:
1. Neroznak, V. Paleo-Balkan languages. Moscow, 1978.
2. Katicic, R. Ancient Languages of the Balkans. The Hague, 1976.

English-Albo translator:
www.foreignword.com

Shall we continue? well why not???

The most important facts and considerations for determining the origin and original home of the Albanians are the following.

1. The Illyrian toponyms known from antiquity, e.g. Shköder from the ancient Scodra (Livius), Tomor from Tomarus (Strabo, Pliny, etc.), have not been directly inherited in Albanian: the contemporary forms of these names do not correspond to the phonetic laws of Albanian. The same also applies to the ancient toponyms of Latin origin in this region.

2. The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Rumanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
(this is from another theory that proves your origin to be somewhere in Carpathia)

3. The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.

4. Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.

5. The Albanians are not mentioned before the 10th century a.d., although place names and personal names from the whole region of Albania are attested in numerous documents from the 4th century onwards.

6. The old home of the Albanians must have been near to that of the proto-Rumanians. The oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Rumanian, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria. Cf. the phonetic development of the following words:
Vulgar Latin caballum 'horse' Rum. cal, Alb. kal
Vulgar Latin cubitum 'elbow' Rum. cot. Alb. kut
Vulgar Latin lucta 'struggle, fight' Rum. lupt, Arum. luft, Alb. luftë
(same theory mentioned)


Sources :
H. Kronasser, ‘Zum Stand der Illyristik’ (Linguistique Balkanique, IV, 1962, pp. 5 ff.); R. Katicic', 'Namengebiete im römischen Dalmatian" (Die Sprache, X, Vienna, 1964, pp. 23 ff.); id., Illyrii proprie dicti (iva Antika, Skopje, XIII/XIV, 1964, pp. 87 ff.); id., 'Suvremena istraivanja o jeziku starosjedilaca ilirskih provincija' (Naučno društvo SR Bosne i Hercegovine, IV, Sarajevo, 1964, pp. 9 ff.); G. Alföldy, 'Die Namengebung der Urbevölkerung der römischen Provinz Dalmatia’ (Beiträge zur Namenforschung, 15, Heidelberg, 1964, pp. 54 ff).

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It is beyond all doubt that Albanians originate from Asia because they are mentioned for the first time in Greek and Serbian sources in XI century, to be more precise in 1043., when they were settled in this region by Greek military leader Michael Attaliota. The place of their origin is most probably in Caucasus region, and therefore the racial makeup of Albanians is very specific, it is very different from other nations in region, and from all other nations in Europe. The original Albanians are mix of various types of hither-asiatic (Armenoid) race, but also influence of their Turkish muslim brothers is not negligible... I know that there is a notable number of Albanians who look white, and there are several reasons for it:


1.) Centuries of brutal Turkish opression of Christian Slavs and Wallachians, which in the beginning led to their islamization, and later to Albanization. Before Turkish conquest of Balkans, a great number of Slavs inhabited northern and central parts of what is now Albania. As proof, here are two maps which show Slavic toponimes in Albania:






2.) Brutal assimilation and ethnic cleansing from 1912. - till present day, especially during communist era, lead to decline of number of national minorities. As Dr. Kaplan Resuli Burovich stated, in 1912. when Albania was formed as independent state for the first time in history, the Albanians barely consisted 50% of country's population. In 1912. there still lived about 100.000 Serbs, but today Albanian autorities claim that there are no Serbs in Albania. Similarly, in southern Albania lived a big number of Aromanians (descendants of Romanized Illyrians and other aboriginals of Balkans), but most of them were assimilatedin comunist era. Here is one good article on this issue:


http://www.ecmi.de/download/working_paper_3.pdf.

Today, many thousands of Aromanians (also known as „Vlachs“) live quite
compactly in Northern Greece, Macedonia (FYROM) and southern Albania;
and there are still traces of Vlach-Aromanian and Aromanian populations
in Bulgaria, Serbia, Croatia and Romania. In Albania, they were recently
estimated at about 200,000 by the English scholar Tom Winnifrith. In
Albanian communist times, Aromanians were not recognised as a separate
minority group, officially considered to be almost completely assimilated.
However, in the early post-communist transition period, a vivid Aromanian
ethnic movement emerged in Albania and it became part of a recent global
Balkan Aromanian initiative. The Albanian Aromanians’new emphasis of
their ethnicity can be seen as a pragmatic strategy of adjustment to
successes and failures in the Albanian political transition and to
globalisation. It is exactly the re-vitalisation of the conflict between
followers of a pro-Greek and a pro-Romanian Aromanian identification that
serves to broaden the scope of options for potential exploitation.

The logic conclusion is that most of albanian 'Toscs' (southern orthodox albanians) are actually albanized Aromanians and Greeks.


3.) To be honest, not all of original Albanians who came from Caucasus were of hither-asiatic racials stock, because even among mongrel nations from Caucasus like Azeris and Georgians we can find some small portion of people who look white, but offcourse we can't accept them as white Europeans because they are not white in
cultural sense (islamic religion, primitive Asiatic mentality etc.).
__________________

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source : stormfront

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and racial images of albanians :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-zEWFSPUCU

you can find many other videos on youtube like this which shows albanian faces.

elguca
2010-07-04, 14:39
I think Albanians are not European.

Why do they want to be European?... :rolleyes:

yanniai
2010-07-04, 14:42
I think Albanians are not European.

Why do they want to be European?... :rolleyes:

well also one albanian nationalist consider herself southeastern caucasian,i guess you know her :lol:

also most albanians dont consider themselves European. but some of them has complex like user called `Prengu`.

their language is also VERY similar to chechen language,i think linguists will resolve it.

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 14:48
Stormfront is a crappy site full of idiots,the discussions are boring and of no value,those topics that have value are ignored & if you don't agree with the whiteness prejudices and dare contest what morons there perceive then you get banned....basically you can't have discussions there,just approvals.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 15:19
Stormfront is a crappy site full of idiots,the discussions are boring and of no value,those topics that have value are ignored & if you don't agree with the whiteness prejudices and dare contest what morons there perceive then you get banned....basically you can't have discussions there,just approvals.

im not racist,this thread neither. i just hate their propaganda.. and you know the truth im sure,but you think im racist thats why you dont aggree.:)

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 15:25
im not racist,this thread neither. i just hate their propaganda.. and you know the truth im sure,but you think im racist thats why you dont aggree.:)

I just saw that you quoted stormfront(and I know their 0 tolerance attitude towards albanians) and jumped-read what you wrote,I'll fully read what you wrote in a moment.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 15:29
I just saw that you quoted stormfront(and I know their 0 tolerance attitude towards albanians) and jumped-read what you wrote,I'll fully read what you wrote in a moment.

so theres no problem :) source can be a bit stupid,but just look at the their new propaganda... i guess its new fashion in albania,i mean wannabe white propaganda.. i have albanian friends who consider themself noneuropean, i dont have problem with them,i just hate propagandas.

davidxx
2010-07-04, 16:09
I think Albanian can consider themself European if they look white and being european by racially, culture and socially.
I have seen albanian people before and they look like a turk or middle east and i dont consider them white because they aren't being european by culture or racially.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 16:21
I think Albanian can consider themself European if they look white and being european by racially, culture and socially.
I have seen albanian people before and they look like a turk or middle east and i dont consider them white because they aren't being european by culture or racially.

well aggree on you.. because their nation isnt white,their language,religion,culture etc..
but of course there are albanized Slavs who looks white..so of course they can consider themself european.. but albanian nation isnt white,they are connected with chechens,at least language.. but chechens are blonder than albanians anyway;)

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 16:40
I'm done reading,interesting argumentation but I have my doubts to the validity/neutrality of it.From what sources I read(including romanian ones,but the romanian ones were not about albanians specifically) albanians are the descendants of illyrians.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/283105/Illyria?anchor=ref87149 -Encyclopedia Britannica

"Croatia, Serbia, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and parts of Macedonia lost their Illyrian language and were thoroughly Slavonized, so that only the Albanians remain as direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. "

Also the whole situation in the balkans makes me think any "scholar" there is very biased in a way or another because their countries have a "cold war" going on: bulgarians claim FYROM(and macedonians),macedonians claim surrounding lands(especially the greek province of Macedonia),greeks claim everything(from vlahs to turks) etc.
I also read about the part where it's claimed albanians migrated from Romania in the IX century... this seems political motivated writing ,same as hungarians claiming romanians migrated from Albania,also during the IX century,even if hungarian early records about Pannonia and Transylvania attest romanian and slavic presence,but do to political interest of "Great Hungaristan" they won't admit any of it,and it's serious thing as hungarians murdered and ethnic cleansed minorities for that purpose,and even today they have a neo-nazi revisionist party in top 3 most popular parties,the primitives.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 16:47
I'm done reading,interesting argumentation but I have my doubts to the validity/neutrality of it.From what sources I read(including romanian ones,but the romanian ones were not about albanians specifically) albanians are the descendants of illyrians.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/283105/Illyria?anchor=ref87149 -Encyclopedia Britannica

"Croatia, Serbia, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, and parts of Macedonia lost their Illyrian language and were thoroughly Slavonized, so that only the Albanians remain as direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. "

Also the whole situation in the balkans makes me think any "scholar" there is very biased in a way or another because their countries have a "cold war" going on: bulgarians claim FYROM(and macedonians),macedonians claim surrounding lands(especially the greek province of Macedonia),greeks claim everything(from vlahs to turks) etc.
I also read about the part where it's claimed albanians migrated from Romania in the IX century... this seems political motivated writing ,same as hungarians claiming romanians migrated from Albania,also during the IX century,even if hungarian early records about Pannonia and Transylvania attest romanian and slavic presence,but do to political interest of "Great Hungaristan" they won't admit any of it,and it's serious thing as hungarians murdered and ethnic cleansed minorities for that purpose,and even today they have a neo-nazi revisionist party in top 3 most popular parties,the primitives.

do you really think that they look white? especially Kosovo albanians? i dont think you do..

what about connect of chechen between albanian language? quite same.. im sure linguists will resolve it,just cant waiting what `so called` albanians would do when they see it... its quite understandable that their nation is from middle east,original albanians are from middle east,didnt u saw the armenian and albanian alphabet? quite the same.. well i also know that many albanians are proud to be middle eastern,they dont consider themself,but some of them thinks that they are white european etc.. they are just albanized wants.. thats the new propaganda of albanians to provoke Kosovo is albanian city.

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 16:53
do you really think that they look white? especially Kosovo albanians? i dont think you do..

what about connect of chechen between albanian language? quite same.. im sure linguists will resolve it,just cant waiting what `so called` albanians would do when they see it... its quite understandable that their nation is from middle east,original albanians are from middle east,didnt u saw the armenian and albanian alphabet? quite the same.. well i also know that many albanians are proud to be middle eastern,they dont consider themself,but some of them thinks that they are white european etc.. they are just albanized wants.. thats the new propaganda of albanians to provoke Kosovo is albanian city.

Bulgarians,as a whole,don't look very white to me either,albanians,as a whole, probably are more white looking than them,but do to the fact that they were "smart" enough to accept Islam they are mostly perceived as being non-european(and for good reason considering what the muslims did in Europe),the only solution for them to be perceived as europeans is for most albanians to re-covert to christianity...in any case that wasn't my concern about writing here,just about albanians & illyrian connection.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 17:03
Bulgarians,as a whole,don't look very white to me either,albanians,as a whole, probably are more white looking than them,but do to the fact that they were "smart" enough to accept Islam they are mostly perceived as being non-european(and for good reason considering what the muslims did in Europe),the only solution for them to be perceived as europeans is for most albanians to re-covert to christianity...in any case that wasn't my concern about writing here,just about albanians & illyrian connection.

well theres not any connection...

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 17:14
well theres not any connection...

Encyclopedia Britannica seems to state differently:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/12472/Albania/129453/History?anchor=ref476152

"The origins of the Albanian people are not definitely known, but data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries ce. Some scholars, however, dispute such theses, arguing that Illyrians were not autochthonous to Albania and that Albanian derives from a dialect of the now-extinct Thracian language."

voyager
2010-07-04, 17:18
If you consider Bulgarians, Greeks and Italians to be white then you must include Albanians too as they are not any darker.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 17:22
Encyclopedia Britannica seems to state differently:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/12472/Albania/129453/History?anchor=ref476152

"The origins of the Albanian people are not definitely known, but data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries ce. Some scholars, however, dispute such theses, arguing that Illyrians were not autochthonous to Albania and that Albanian derives from a dialect of the now-extinct Thracian language."

faces shows everything i think..

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If you consider Bulgarians, Greeks and Italians to be white then you must include Albanians too as they are not any darker.

do u think albanians are whiter than greeks???

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 17:29
faces shows everything i think..

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do u think albanians are whiter than greeks???

Cool,here are greek football fans of PAOK Salonic:

yanniai
2010-07-04, 17:35
well they are just some of them...

yanniai
2010-07-04, 17:36
Cool,here are greek football fans of PAOK Salonic:


lets compare LOL

davidxx
2010-07-04, 17:41
Those people look like a bunch of arab.

PolskiMoc
2010-07-04, 17:44
well they are just some of them...

Italians & Greeks & Spaniards / Portuguese are just as non white as are Albanians. The main difference is Cultural as Albanians are more muslim.

They are all pretty much the same crap.

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 17:45
lets compare LOL

What's to compare? they seem to be from the same "color" background,some of the albanians' picture you posted can pass for south italians.
Greek national football team:

davidxx
2010-07-04, 17:46
Italians & Greeks & Spaniards / Portuguese are just as non white as are Albanians.

Like me ? ;):lol:
What about welsh ?

yanniai
2010-07-04, 17:47
What's to compare? they seem to be from the same "color" background,some of the albanians' picture you posted can pass for south italians.
Greek national football team:

clearly whiter than albanians :))

PolskiMoc
2010-07-04, 17:47
Like me ? ;):lol:
What about welsh ?

You look more Northernly. Like French, or Welsh maybe Swiss.

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 17:50
clearly whiter than albanians :))

Whiter doesn't put them in a different category of white in my view. :lol: Besides most of the albanians shown by you are old people,probably peasant farmers,they tend to look sun burned anyway,especially being so south in Europe.

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 17:50
Well, Stormfront states that Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians (most of the NorthEast Italians) are white, instead of some users here who think about them as merely some "sand niggers".


So, as far I'm concerned about the siptari.. I don't now what to say about them regarding how do they look or if they are Illyrians or simply a curious people from Middle East.. who had some influence from the Greeks and Slavs.

Except for the fact that albanians are the worst criminal element in Europe.


PS: PoskiMoc obviously don't know what white people is. As a matter of fact I'm sick and tired about this Polish superiority mumbojumbo..

davidxx
2010-07-04, 17:51
You look more Northernly. Like French, or Welsh maybe Swiss.

Someone said i look like albanian and i feel like ashamed because it's making me feel like less white and i hate these people.

Maybe the reason why i look albanian is because i have a slight dinarid influence but it doesn't make me look albanian because the dinarid phenotype went all over europe.

Νεφελοκοκκυγία
2010-07-04, 17:53
Italians & Greeks & Spaniards / Portuguese are just as non white as are Albanians. The main difference is Cultural as Albanians are more muslim.

They are all pretty much the same crap.
You might be correct but so could be Hitler.

davidxx
2010-07-04, 17:54
You might be correct but so could be Hitler.

Hitler look more whiter than them. :lol::)

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 17:56
You might be correct but so could be Hitler.

Nazis had a high regard of greeks,they were placed very high in the "accepted people" list because of their descent from ancient greeks...ofc they downgraded the greeks 1 level because of the greek resistance in ww2. :evilgrin:

PolskiMoc
2010-07-04, 18:16
Someone said i look like albanian and i feel like ashamed because it's making me feel like less white and i hate these people.

Maybe the reason why i look albanian is because i have a slight dinarid influence but it doesn't make me look albanian because the dinarid phenotype went all over europe.

You don't look Albanian.

You are too dolichocephalic with too high of a vault.. Your ears don't stick out.

You could look Austrian or croatian though.

But, you look more Western than Eastern. Your mother looks more Eastern than Western to me though.

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Nazis had a high regard of greeks,they were placed very high in the "accepted people" list because of their descent from ancient greeks...ofc they downgraded the greeks 1 level because of the greek resistance in ww2. :evilgrin:

Nazis were mentally challenged.

They said such things as the U.S Americans were the True & Most Aryan. Because so many Germans went to the U.S
& the biggest strongest toughest tallest & most blonde Germans came to the U.S

Then when the U.S declared war on Germany they then changed the stance to
Americans being a Mongrelized people mixed with jews.

The sick part is how the German people followed this sort of mental retardation so much believing every word.

Even believing they were Kidnapping 50,000 Blonde polish babies in the name of the Aryan race.

Germans are def defects. :whoco:

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 18:20
Italians & Greeks & Spaniards / Portuguese are just as non white as are Albanians. The main difference is Cultural as Albanians are more muslim.

They are all pretty much the same crap.

Sorry, but this was the most STUPID thing that I've ever seen in the past 10 years.

Congrats!! You are definitely raising the flag!!:thumbsup:

Here are the so called non white sand niggers Portuguese that you talk about:

yanniai
2010-07-04, 18:26
You don't look Albanian.

You are too dolichocephalic with too high of a vault.. Your ears don't stick out.

You could look Austrian or croatian though.

But, you look more Western than Eastern. Your mother looks more Eastern than Western to me though.

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Nazis were mentally challenged.

They said such things as the U.S Americans were the True & Most Aryan. Because so many Germans went to the U.S
& the biggest strongest toughest tallest & most blonde Germans came to the U.S

Then when the U.S declared war on Germany they then changed the stance to
Americans being a Mongrelized people mixed with jews.

The sick part is how the German people followed this sort of mental retardation so much believing every word.

Even believing they were Kidnapping 50,000 Blonde polish babies in the name of the Aryan race.

Germans are def defects. :whoco:


whats your views about Serbs and Croats????

davidxx
2010-07-04, 18:29
You don't look Albanian.



Are Dinarid phenotype common in albania ?

yanniai
2010-07-04, 18:30
Someone said i look like albanian and i feel like ashamed because it's making me feel like less white and i hate these people.

Maybe the reason why i look albanian is because i have a slight dinarid influence but it doesn't make me look albanian because the dinarid phenotype went all over europe.

haha dont worry mate,you dont look albanian

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Are Dinarid phenotype common in albania ?

yes but it cant show them white,and they cant hide their face,but Dinarids are mostly in Serbia..

PolskiMoc
2010-07-04, 18:31
Are Dinarid phenotype common in albania ?

Yeah, Albanians seem to be mostly Dinaric in some parts. But, they have some of East Med & Atlanto med too in the South near the Greek border.

davidxx
2010-07-04, 18:34
Yeah, Albanians seem to be mostly Dinaric in some parts. But, they have some of East Med & Atlanto med too in the South near the Greek border.


I didn't know Albanian have Atlanto-Med phenotype in the south.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 18:34
Yeah, Albanians seem to be mostly Dinaric in some parts. But, they have some of East Med & Atlanto med too in the South near the Greek border.

haha no way,they have armenoid-anatolid faces.you cant compare them with Romanians,Greeks and any others..

btw you can easily pass for Bulgarian or southern European,try to love your phenotype and dont forget they are Europeans too..

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I didn't know Albanian have Atlanto-Med phenotype in the south.

because there isnt any :)

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 18:37
because there isnt any :)


Your original quotes say that albanians assimilated the vlahs and greeks in the south and now you say there isn't any...

PolskiMoc
2010-07-04, 18:37
whats your views about Serbs and Croats????

They both are Slavic brothers.

I like Croatians because they are generally laid back & very friendly.

But,Croatians often like to think they are Persian, German or Illyrian instead of Slavic though. Along with Bosnians.

Croatians got away with what they did with the Ustase with 800,000 Serbs killed in Jasenovac. Most people don't even know about this.

I root for All Slavs.

but, I have a special place for Serbians. They fought the most against Nazis out of any nation in the Balkans along side of their Slavic brothers.

Although I am a White Nationalist. I am more of a Slavic Nationalist & thus i don't like what the Nazis did as they killed more White people than Jews. :whoco:

It is unfortunate that most people know about Aushwitz & the Jews murdered there.
But, very few know about Jasenovac.

It is also sad how Croatians are not demonized for Jasenovac. While Serbs are demonized heavily in the West for the Kosovo & bosnian wars.

I think they are heroes as Serbs along with Russians are the only two countries to fight against Muslims in Europe in the past 20 years.
With Serbs in Kosovo & Russians with Chechens & Ossetians.

Anyone who is fighting against Muslims in the past 20 years in Europe is a hero.

Also I don't think Serbians get enough respect for Nikola Tesla & Many sources mess it up.
Some Sources say Tesla was Croatian, or even Austrian or Hungarian.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 18:39
Your original quotes say that albanians assimilated the vlahs and greeks in the south and now you say there isn't any...

because they arent `real` albanian

davidxx
2010-07-04, 18:40
btw you can easily pass for Bulgarian or southern European,try to love your phenotype and dont forget they are Europeans too.


I dont think he look bulgarian just a bit more northern because he have CM type which have type among northern people and other side.

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 18:41
Many Serbs have olive skin and many white Serbs have some Med features..as well many Croats..

The day I call a Croat by "brother".. it will surely rain fire..

As far I'm concerned.. Tesla was a Serb!!

davidxx
2010-07-04, 18:46
Many Serbs have olive skin and many white Serbs have some Med features..

i think they mostly have Dinarid pheotype and Dinarid have olive complexion.

I'm sure they are darker than me. ;)

yanniai
2010-07-04, 18:46
I dont think he look bulgarian just a bit more northern because he have CM type which have type among northern people and other side.

yes he doesnt look so much,but he can EASILY pass for Bulgarian.

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 18:52
i think they mostly have Dinarid pheotype and Dinarid have olive complexion.

I'm sure they are darker than me. ;)

To me serbs look like the only real slavs in the balkans,white and nice & they don't have anti-slavic propaganda in their heads like croats do.

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 18:53
i think they mostly have Dinarid pheotype and Dinarid have olive complexion.

I'm sure they are darker than me. ;)

Yeah, who knows?

Skin tone is not a parameter for saying someone is white or not.. I'm very pale, very white.. but I have relatives that can tan (artificially) and look great..

I thought "Slavic" refers to a culture.. not a racial trait..

davidxx
2010-07-04, 18:57
Skin tone is not a parameter for saying someone is white or not.. I'm very pale, very white.. but I have relatives that can tan (artificially) and look great..

Yeah but I think it's important when it come to your look, i mean i do look mediterranean because of my hair colour but i dont think i look mediterranean because mediterranean skintone look brownish and my facial feature look more robust than them.


I thought "Slavic" refers to a culture.. not a racial trait..
Yeah it is.
A slav person can look anything.

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 19:00
Yeah but I think it's important when it come to your look, i mean i do look mediterranean but i dont have mediterranean skintone because my skintone is more white and mediterranean skintone look like brownish.


Yeah it is.
A slav person can look anything.

Thanks, same to me, no one can classify me!!

davidxx
2010-07-04, 19:01
Thanks, same to me, no one can classify me!!

Like i say i dont look very mediterranean but rather more meddish.

I would love to classify you now. :)

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 19:03
Like i say i dont look very mediterranean but rather more meddish.

I would love to classify you now. :)

I have a pic in my profile!! Hahahahahahaha.. But come on man.. don't be so evil! LOL

yanniai
2010-07-04, 19:05
http://lauretameci.com/images/photos/Laureta%20Meci%20Image054_V1_SM.jpg

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 19:06
http://lauretameci.com/images/photos/Laureta%20Meci%20Image054_V1_SM.jpg

Hot!!:thumbsup:

davidxx
2010-07-04, 19:07
don't be so evil! LOL

Who said i'm evil ? lol.

I'm just saying if you want to.

Proud to be meddish. :D

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http://lauretameci.com/images/photos/Laureta%20Meci%20Image054_V1_SM.jpg"
I would rather sleep with her but i certainly dont want to go out with her.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 19:09
Who said i'm evil ? lol.

I'm just saying if you want to.

Proud to be meddish. :D

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I would rather sleep with her but i certainly dont want to go out with her.

same here,typical albanian look :o

Yautja_BR
2010-07-04, 19:12
Who said i'm evil ? lol.

I'm just saying if you want to.

Proud to be meddish. :D

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I would rather sleep with her but i certainly dont want to go out with her.


Ok you can try.. no problem!!


As for the girl, well, albanian or not.. I would do her.. easely!! Hahahahahaha

davidxx
2010-07-04, 19:26
Are we talking about albanian or what ?

Zupan
2010-07-04, 19:32
Hehe Unurautere.. You would not protect them this fervently if you knew about their clannish mentality. I can safely say that the mentality is either muslim or chechen olr something. They kill their own daughters if they marry a non albnian or even worse a shiptar from the wrong clan. Now tell me where can you find this behaviour? Amongst the clannish muslim turkics in the caucasus nakh people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Krieger_in_Kettenpanzer.jpg Nakh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tosk_Albanians.jpg alban.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 19:37
Hehe Unurautere.. You would not protect them this fervently if you knew about their clannish mentality. I can safely say that the mentality is either muslim or chechen olr something. They kill their own daughters if they marry a non albnian or even worse a shiptar from the wrong clan. Now tell me where can you find this behaviour? Amongst the clannish muslim turkics in the caucasus nakh people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Krieger_in_Kettenpanzer.jpgk Nakh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tosk_Albanians.jpg alban.

true... yes they kill own daughters if they talk with enemy clan :(

also most criminal people of the world..no one can prove them as white,thats understandable in their faces.im very sad about albanized whites :( and they help terrorist uck group to against their relatives (Serbs)

Unurautare
2010-07-04, 20:30
Hehe Unurautere.. You would not protect them this fervently if you knew about their clannish mentality. I can safely say that the mentality is either muslim or chechen olr something. They kill their own daughters if they marry a non albnian or even worse a shiptar from the wrong clan. Now tell me where can you find this behaviour? Amongst the clannish muslim turkics in the caucasus nakh people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Krieger_in_Kettenpanzer.jpg Nakh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tosk_Albanians.jpg alban.

You hater. ^^ I'll stop talking about them if it bothers you,pls forgive. :* But it was not my intention to 'protect them' per se... I'll not explain myself here but you can take my work for it. ;<

Kipchak
2010-07-04, 20:35
My mother has albanian blood(probably,she has origins from Janina) and I put her picture on this forum,
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/dsc01017a.jpg/

She looks quite Dinaric,not Caucasian :)

yanniai
2010-07-04, 20:57
My mother has albanian blood(probably,she has origins from Janina) and I put her picture on this forum,
http://img411.imageshack.us/i/dsc01017a.jpg/

She looks quite Dinaric,not Caucasian :)

haha mate,Slavized one again... but you dont look Slavic neither VOLGID LOL,go back to mongolia is best thing for you:thumbsup:

Kipchak
2010-07-04, 21:01
haha mate,Slavized one again... but you dont look Slavic neither VOLGID LOL,go back to mongolia is best thing for you:thumbsup:

I can easily pass for a Volgid like Chuvash or Kazan Tatar.
Also my mother looks dinarid,yeah I'm not pure,my motherside has balkan roots but even my part-Albanian mom shows,albanians are native Balkanians by face.

yanniai
2010-07-04, 21:06
I can easily pass for a Volgid like Chuvash or Kazan Tatar.
Also my mother looks dinarid,yeah I'm not pure,my motherside has balkan roots but even my part-Albanian mom shows,albanians are native Balkanians by face.

im not surprised that you support some terrorists (uck) against Kosovo :):)

it shows already how mongol you are. just go out on forum,no one wants you and your friend

Kipchak
2010-07-04, 21:09
im not surprised that you support some terrorists (uck) against Kosovo :):)

it shows already how mongol you are. just go out on forum,no one wants you and your friend

You should go,you use ad hominem and personal attack,unlike me...

yanniai
2010-07-04, 21:56
You should go,you use ad hominem and personal attack,unlike me...

you insult Hungarians,Cossacks,Russians,Ukrainians and Serbs ..i think thats enough ?

Kipchak
2010-07-04, 22:02
you insult Hungarians,Cossacks,Russians,Ukrainians and Serbs ..i think thats enough ?

1.I don't insult HUNgarians,many of them accept their Turanid origin
2.I say the truth about the rest
3.Yeah,I talked sharp about serbs a little bit but if you look how serb guy humiliated us,my comment is soooo innocent...

Orifist
2010-07-05, 00:03
well also one albanian nationalist consider herself southeastern caucasian,i guess you know her :lol:

also most albanians dont consider themselves European. but some of them has complex like user called `Prengu`.

their language is also VERY similar to chechen language,i think linguists will resolve it.

I disagree with you completely man. You're being a bit facetious there saying they're similar to Chechen language, when Chechen language is a language isolate with excessive consonants only matched by KhoiSan languages. A true language rarity. Albanian on the other hand has been very sucessfully demonstrated to be part of Indo-Europeans in its inflections and root. From my Spanish point of view many things of Albanian sound even similar to Latin languages. That doesn't mean I support Albanian nationalists, I don't, but I think doing the same they do isn't the right idea. Not all Albanians are rabid muslims.

Zupan
2010-07-05, 00:07
1.I don't insult HUNgarians,many of them accept their Turanid origin
2.I say the truth about the rest
3.Yeah,I talked sharp about serbs a little bit but if you look how serb guy humiliated us,my comment is soooo innocent...

What turanid origin? It's like sayong that the anatolians and muslims in Bosnia are turkish. Do you realize how stupid tht is you fucking mullah? Pray to God that our paths won't cross.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 00:09
I disagree with you completely man. You're being a bit facetious there saying they're similar to Chechen language, when Chechen language is a language isolate with excessive consonants only matched by KhoiSan languages. A true language rarity. Albanian on the other hand has been very sucessfully demonstrated to be part of Indo-Europeans in its inflections and root. From my Spanish point of view many things of Albanian sound even similar to Latin languages. That doesn't mean I support Albanian nationalists, I don't, but I think doing the same they do isn't the right idea. Not all Albanians are rabid muslims.

albanian language is one of the most dirty language in the world.their sound like indians to me,and also many people.also similar to armenian language,sounds like it,just softer than it..

if you read all of them,you would see how connected they are,and still linguists cant resolve language,that explains why :) im sure they will be,and everybody will see how they are connected.. cant you see similarity? how can you explain that?

Orifist
2010-07-05, 00:10
albanian language is one of the most dirty language in the world.their sound like indians to me,and also many people.also similar to armenian language,sounds like it,just softer than it..

if you read all of them,you would see how connected they are,and still linguists cant resolve language,that explains why :) im sure they will be,and everybody will see how they are connected.. cant you see similarity? how can you explain that?

What? You're not making any sense. Armenian is an Indo-European language too.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 00:21
What? You're not making any sense. Armenian is an Indo-European language too.

yes,also iranian languages too ::)

i just wanted to say that it sounds armenian,and armenian sounds quite like azeri,or any other middle eastern language. (dont tell me that azeri is turkish language,i know it )

to be honest everyone can see how chechen language are related with albanian..
i know albanian sounds more european,but still not european,just like softer armenian etc.. very annoying language.
their culture is nothing to do with whites,they kill own daughters for being not virgin !!
also they kill own daughters when they are talking with enemy clans.. there are clans mate... its funny,and it shows how they are looks like chechens .
their language isnt white,their culture isnt,their faces isnt (some of them white because they are albanized Slavs and Greeks:mad:).. so theres no need to call them white,or european.. well they dont consider themself european too,because they know the truth.. i have albanian nationalist friend,and shes very proud with her middle eastern roots.. but im telling to some guys who are white albanians.. just learn that you arent ORIGINAL albanian.. they killed your relatives for change your religion etc.. or they force you for assimilate... so dont support these uck terrorists or etc.. because you are fighting with your relative Serbs and Greeks

Orifist
2010-07-05, 00:23
yes,also iranian languages too ::)

i just wanted to say that it sounds armenian,and armenian sounds quite like azeri,or any other middle eastern language. (dont tell me that azeri is turkish language,i know it )

to be honest everyone can see how chechen language are related with albanian..
i know albanian sounds more european,but still not european,just like softer armenian etc.. very annoying language.
their culture is nothing to do with whites,they kill own daughters for being not virgin !!
also they kill own daughters when they are talking with enemy clans.. there are clans mate... its funny,and it shows how they are looks like chechens .
their language isnt white,their culture isnt,their faces isnt (some of them white because they are albanized Slavs and Greeks:mad:).. so theres no need to call them white,or european.. well they dont consider themself european too,because they know the truth.. i have albanian nationalist friend,and shes very proud with her middle eastern roots.. but im telling to some guys who are white albanians.. just learn that you arent ORIGINAL albanian.. they killed your relatives for change your religion etc.. or they force you for assimilate... so dont support these uck terrorists or etc.. because you are fighting with your relative Serbs and Greeks

I don't support the UCK, and I definately dislike what I'm doing. But that doesn't prevent me for seeing reality. Whether they're Europeans or not is not what makes them my enemy. Albanians are similar in genetic makeup to all other Yugoslavians, not very significant differences. And you seem to have nationalist friends from everywhere huh?

Dishonesty bothers me, from either side it comes from.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 00:31
I don't support the UCK, and I definately dislike what I'm doing. But that doesn't prevent me for seeing reality. Whether they're Europeans or not is not what makes them my enemy. Albanians are similar in genetic makeup to all other Yugoslavians, not very significant differences. And you seem to have nationalist friends from everywhere huh?

Dishonesty bothers me, from either side it comes from.

yeah,i have `real` nationalist friends. albanian which proud with her middle eastern nation,and Hungarians who hates turks..

well i dont need prove it etc right now.
main thing is racial reality of albanians.
yes thats what im talking about,that ones who is related with Yugo Slavs are just albanized Slavs.its understandable that they arent european nation,living Yugo Slavs arent make them european nation.. because they albanified them,and they need back to their homeland. so i think we understand each other now

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:02
I dont understand why admins allow this russian mongrel here, he is trolling everything here.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:04
I dont understand why admins allow this russian mongrel here, he is trolling everything here.

just remember your PM before talking ;)

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:10
just remember your PM before talking ;)

If you have personaly issue with Albanians go troll in schizofrenic forum like Stormfront, this forum is not about idiots like you....you dont have capacity to talk as normal here.

I can easy prove that Russian has mongrel and Iranian influence (and you have ashamed without reason) not like you posting fake articles without link and author, you are just wasting time dude, you dont have to do anything good in your life.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:16
If you have personaly issue with Albanians go troll in schizofrenic forum like Stormfront, this forum is not about idiots like you....you dont have capacity to talk as normal here.

I can easy prove that Russian has mongrel and Iranian influence (and you have ashamed without reason) not like you posting fake articles without link and author, you are just wasting time dude, you dont have to do anything good in your life.

1-no i dont have personally,i have personally good albanian friends,unlike you,and i guess you are kicked from white forums,because you are angry white people,and try to insult white people.but im not admin of stormfront sorry ;)

2-you say `talking as normal`,i just sent your pm to Elias,i hope you remember

3-Russians take no shit about that,you can post many mongoloid mixed Russians,i can help you too about posting some.

4-i already said the all articles,try to read you Mustafa Ejup !!

5-yeah i dont have to do anything good in my life bla bla:)

now byee you Ahmet Jashari,go eat kebab,and before sleep pray for your terrorist uck to your muhammad

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:30
Hehe Unurautere.. You would not protect them this fervently if you knew about their clannish mentality. I can safely say that the mentality is either muslim or chechen olr something. They kill their own daughters if they marry a non albnian or even worse a shiptar from the wrong clan. Now tell me where can you find this behaviour? Amongst the clannish muslim turkics in the caucasus nakh people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Krieger_in_Kettenpanzer.jpg Nakh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tosk_Albanians.jpg alban.

Eh Zupane

If you would know at least 5% history of medieval Europe...you will not claim shitly.

Clannish mentality has roots from Europe not from Muslim or chechen (chechens adobted from Byzantine time from Europeans since renaissance time ).....just read history of Vikings, Scotish, Italians, Frenchs, Basques ect....even clannish was very common in renaissance time.

In Balcan this system applied only Albanians, Montengrins, Bosnaks and Dalmatians (Croats) until XX century, so read more about history even a bit little among Serbians was common this system.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:32
Eh Zupane

If you would know at least 5% history of medieval Europe...you will not claim shitly.

Clannish mentality has roots from Europe not from Muslim or chechen (chechens adobted from Byzantine time from Europeans since renaissance time ).....just read history of Vikings, Scotish, Italians, Frenchs, Basques ect....even clannish was very common in renaissance time.

In Balcan this system applied only Albanians, Montengrins, Bosnaks and Dalmatians (Croats) until XX century, so read more about history even a bit little among Serbians was common this system.

your language is quite similar to chechen language,and you cant explain that,and original albanians arent europeans everybody knows that Ejup :)

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Eh Zupane

If you would know at least 5% history of medieval Europe...you will not claim shitly.

Clannish mentality has roots from Europe not from Muslim or chechen (chechens adobted from Byzantine time from Europeans since renaissance time ).....just read history of Vikings, Scotish, Italians, Frenchs, Basques ect....even clannish was very common in renaissance time.

In Balcan this system applied only Albanians, Montengrins, Bosnaks and Dalmatians (Croats) until XX century, so read more about history even a bit little among Serbians was common this system.

well lets say thats true,they are all civilized unlike kosovar albanians,and at least they are native Europeans :)

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:34
your language is quite similar to chechen language,and you cant explain that,and original albanians arent europeans everybody knows that Ejup :)

Listen Yani-Khan, give me prove who claim that....just one lingustic? ...:evilgrin:

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:38
Listen Yani-Khan, give me prove who claim that....just one lingustic? ...:evilgrin:

no,now i cant,but you will see it in future,so that means you know why there are similar,so lets explain us.. you cant hide your history.CHECHENIA : ICHQERIA , ALBANIA : SHQIPERIA

well lets explain others please :) im sure you didnt read my topics,because when you see one Russian or Serbian,you are come for insult someone :o

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:40
Common troll......give one lingustic...who claim that?

Dont you see that you are an idiot?

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:43
Common troll......give one lingustic...who claim that?

Dont you see that you are an idiot?

still insulting.. typical of your muslim trait i guess :)

cant u understand? lets explain the similarity,say something mate :) just talk.. but youre true you cant say the truth..because you knows it.. i have albanian friend who consider herself middle eastern,and hes proud,im not against of her.. im just against people like you.you even cant explain something :) same town names,same region names,same words etc..its very weird for a `native` balkanian like `you`

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:46
You can't any lingustic dude because didn't claim any, you are just posting fake words from funny stormfront :lol:

Failed to find any author? :lol::p

as Chehenia-Ishcheria......again failed :evilgrin:

Chechens themself call Nojchicho (not Ischeria)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechenia

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:48
You can't any lingustic dude because didn't claim any, you are just posting fake worfd from funny stormfront :lol:

Failed to find any author? :lol::p

as Chehenia-Ishcheria......again failed :evilgrin:

Chechens themself call Nojchicho (not Ischeria)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechenia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichkeria_%28Chechnya%29 :lol:

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:50
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ichkeria_%28Chechnya%29 :lol:

Post here what did wrotte here? :evilgrin:...now lets make funny with you.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:54
Post here what did wrotte here? :evilgrin:...now lets make funny with you.

`Ichkeria is a Turkic name for a region in the mountainous central part of Chechnya. Ichkeria means internal place (içki yer)[citation needed]. According to the legend, all "pure" Chechen teips originated there[citation needed].

When Chechen separatists proclaimed the independence of the Chechen Republic, they used the name Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (ChRI) to refer to independent Chechnya.``

if you read my thread, you will be understand it :) you are just the one who didnt read and coming for insult people. explain this ichkeria thing,well before read my thread.after that explain these all too please.:

Chechen=aakharkho,Albanian=katundar,Engl ish=peasan t
Chechen=alsamoo,Albanian=me shume,English=more
Chechen=aagan,Albanian=eker,English=wild
Chechen=aara dalan,Albanian=jashte dal,English=get out
Chechen=aaradaqqa,Albanian=terhoqa,Engli sh=withdra w
Chechen=aaradovlilla,Albanian=rrugedalje ,English=e xit
Chechen=aare,Albanian=rrafsh,English=pla in
Chechen=arzha,Albanian=zeze,English=blac k
Chechen=aaz,Albanian=ze,English=voice
Chechen=baarz,Albanian=varr,English=grav e
Chechen=banka,Albanian=burre,English=man
Chechen=baar,Albanian=arre,English=nut
Chechen=bashkhan,Albanian=shkelqyer,Engl ish=excell ent
Chechen=bekhka,Albanian=borxh,English=de bt,obligat ion
Chechen=bil ma,Albanian=fal me,English=im sorry
Chechen=besan,Albanian=zbehte,English=pa le
Chechen=buha,Albanian=buf,English=owl
Chechen=cham,Albanian=shijshem,English=t asty
Chechen=yaalla,waala,Albanian=eja,Englis h=come here
Chechen=chu,Albanian=hyj,English=get in
Chechen=daago,Albanian=djeg,English=burn
Chechen=dahiita,Albanian=dergoj,English= send
Chechen=dehndi,Albanian=gjedhe,English=c attle
Chechen=dain,Albanian=drite,English=ligh t
Chechen=daakhkan,Albanian=gjendem,Englis h=located
Chechen=delqa,Albanian=dreke,English=lun ch
Chechen=dowgha,Albanian=djeges,English=h ot
Chechen=duq,Albanian=aq,English=so many
Chechen=dyelkha,Albanian=kerkoj,English= to cry
Chechen=eskar,Albanian=ushtri,English=ar my
Chechen=ghaighanii,Albanian=hidheroj,Eng lish=make sad
Chechen=ghaala,Albanian=kala,English=cas tle
Chechen=gaalat,Albanian=gabim,English=mi stake
Chechen=ghishto,Albanian=ngrehine,Englis h=building
Chechen=gharlima,Albanian=ngrirje,Englis h=freezing
Chechen=goola,Albanian=gju,English=knee
Chechen=hakkha,Albanian=terheq,English=d raw
Chechen=hoqa,Albanian=kete,English=this
Chechen=hostam,Albanian=gozhde,English=n ail
Chechen=khalkhar,Albanian=kercej,English =dance
Chechen=khan,Albanian=kohe,English=time
Chechen=khasbesh,Albanian=kopesht,Englis h=garden
Chechen=keeda,Albanian=qetem,English=cut
Chechen=khena,Albanian=kohe,English=weat her
Chechen=khila,Albanian=qene,English=been
Chechen=khilam,Albanian=kam,English=have
Chechen=kho,Albanian=koqeve,English=egg
Chechen=kog,Albanian=kembe,English=leg,f oot
Chechen=Iighana,Albanian=Inatosur,Englis h=Angry
Chechen=nana,Albanian=nene,English=mothe r
Chechen=Ysh,Albanian=Ishin,english=they were
Chechen=shu,Albanian=ju,English=you

ohhh very coincidence..
well what about proud middle eastern albanians?? i guess you hate them? dont forget explain that too.i like them because at least they are proud with themself..

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You can't any lingustic dude because didn't claim any, you are just posting fake words from funny stormfront :lol:

Failed to find any author? :lol::p

as Chehenia-Ishcheria......again failed :evilgrin:

Chechens themself call Nojchicho (not Ischeria)
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechenia

Regions, town and village names, for example, these being in the ``European`` Albania

Trebishte
Ostern
Terbac
Lladomerice
Otisani
Gjinovec
Pasinke
Tucepi
Vrbnica
Klenje
Sterbleve
Dzepiste
Korce
Pogradec
Lin
Blace
Piskupati
Uduniste
Tservenaka
Memliste
Zagragja
Golik
Zerveske
Sterova
Zagorecan
Stropke
Llenge
Cerava
Piskupije
Drenove
Boboshtice
Vernik
Liqenas/Pustec
Bezmishte
Gorice e Vogel
Gollomboc
Gorice e Madhe
Liqenas
Belas
Cerja
Zvedze
Leske
Pakicke
Zagradeci
Durres
Vlore
Tirana
Elbasan
Shkoder
Gjirokaster
Kukes
Cemi i Nikcit
Himare

With a similar lingustic syntax to those in the Caucasian Albania

Kambysene
Getaru
Elni / Xeni
Begh
Shake
Xolmaz
Kapalak
Hambasi
Gelavu
Hejeri
Kaladasht

Prengu
2010-07-05, 01:57
I know you got from Stormfront, those fake words.......I am asking more one time...give me one lingustic who has claim that?......can you post one linguistic?...or post at least link here? :cool:

Everyone know that this is delusional only idiot can believe, i am still waiting to find this holy linguist that claim?

yanniai
2010-07-05, 01:58
I know you got from Stormfront, those fake words.......I am asking more one time...give me one lingustic who has claim that?......can you post one linguistic?...or post at least link here? :cool:

no i didnt got it from stormfront but nice trying.. if you believe your language so much,you can explain it mate,its not very hard to know :)

Prengu
2010-07-05, 02:03
no i didnt got it from stormfront but nice trying.. if you believe your language so much,you can explain it mate,its not very hard to know :)

What to explain?, a paranoid claim? :lol::whoco:

I can claim like you, that russian language is like chechen language, This form wants to debate you?...like paranoid :D

yanniai
2010-07-05, 02:04
What to expalin?, a paranoid claim? :lol::whoco:

thanks mate,it really shows that you cant hide that beauty : http://www.malesia.org/thumbnail.php?file=laureta_meci_622184606.jpg&size=article_medium

MadWorld
2010-07-05, 02:25
yes,also iranian languages too ::)

i just wanted to say that it sounds armenian,and armenian sounds quite like azeri,or any other middle eastern language. (dont tell me that azeri is turkish language,i know it )

to be honest everyone can see how chechen language are related with albanian..
i know albanian sounds more european,but still not european,just like softer armenian etc.. very annoying language.
their culture is nothing to do with whites,they kill own daughters for being not virgin !!
also they kill own daughters when they are talking with enemy clans.. there are clans mate... its funny,and it shows how they are looks like chechens .
their language isnt white,their culture isnt,their faces isnt (some of them white because they are albanized Slavs and Greeks:mad:).. so theres no need to call them white,or european.. well they dont consider themself european too,because they know the truth.. i have albanian nationalist friend,and shes very proud with her middle eastern roots.. but im telling to some guys who are white albanians.. just learn that you arent ORIGINAL albanian.. they killed your relatives for change your religion etc.. or they force you for assimilate... so dont support these uck terrorists or etc.. because you are fighting with your relative Serbs and Greeks

You're not russian, you're middle eastern, definitely from the picture you posted on anthroscape (turkish or georgian or something).

Lol at sounding "middle eastern"...

Troll, don't waste you time.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 02:28
You're not russian, you're middle eastern, definitely from the picture you posted on anthroscape (turkish or georgian or something).

Lol at sounding "middle eastern"...

Troll, don't waste you time.

well honestly dont care your classifcation,because many people clasify each other wrong,and there are many users classified me before.

btw you are PM in with prengu :lol: its understandable iranian muslim.

Prengu
2010-07-05, 02:29
Yes MadWorld, generally the members that has complex about their race like Yanniai and David insult other nations why they dont look like them.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 02:29
You're not russian, you're middle eastern, definitely from the picture you posted on anthroscape (turkish or georgian or something).

Lol at sounding "middle eastern"...

Troll, don't waste you time.

btw i dont have account in any other forums

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Yes MadWorld, generally the members that has complex about their race like Yanniai and David insult other nations why they dont look like them.

i knew you both PM ing each other :lol: everybody knows how i look,also how you look mate :)

MadWorld
2010-07-05, 02:30
well honestly dont care your classifcation,because many people clasify each other wrong,and there are many users classified me before.

btw you are PM in with prengu :lol: its understandable iranian muslim.

This is what happens when you're cowsacked, you cannot reply with any knowledge.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 02:31
Yes MadWorld, generally the members that has complex about their race like Yanniai and David insult other nations why they dont look like them.

i didnt insulted any nation,just remember your PM :) im not muslim like you neither that your iranian `PM friend`

MadWorld
2010-07-05, 02:31
btw i dont have account in any other forums

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i knew you both PM ing each other :lol: everybody knows how i look,also how you look mate :)

I haven't pmed anyone, the fact is you're trolling.
You post a "facts" from a "reliable" source... Stormfront.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 02:32
This is what happens when you're cowsacked, you cannot reply with any knowledge.

well lets post your photo to my PM before talking about me :)

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I haven't pmed anyone, the fact is you're trolling.
You post a "facts" from a "reliable" source... Stormfront.

i guess someone kicked you too :evilgrin:

so it could be another muslim alliance of forum

MadWorld
2010-07-05, 02:39
well lets post your photo to my PM before talking about me :)

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i guess someone kicked you too :evilgrin:

so it could be another muslim alliance of forum

I didn't say anything negative about your physical structure, just stating that you look ME, and you're obviously not russian.

yanniai
2010-07-05, 02:42
I didn't say anything negative about your physical structure, just stating that you look ME, and you're obviously not russian.

lol thats funny,where did u saw me? you said some other links which i dont know.also if you are talking about my thread on here,somebody would gussed me Assyrian,and Assyrians are white people dont forget that lol. have u ever seen my photo mate? or did u just went to wrote copy of someones classificaition :D

i was classified many members here on PM,so that means you have strong hate to me,thats why youre gonna insult people something like that :) its funny to hear iranian called me m.e. thank you :D

OMG just saw your group called `iranids`

hahaha.. it makes me proud to be iranian mate,like you said i look m.e. :) IRANIAN ARYAN POWER

Graeme
2010-07-05, 02:47
What a racist thread this is! And the bullshit. Albanians have nothing to do with Chechens. I know it is the name Albania used for that Caucasus region. Big shit, the name Iberia is used for more than one region, Galicia. Spreading bullshit wins no friends. It just marks you out as Dickheads.

MadWorld
2010-07-05, 02:49
What a racist thread this is! And the bullshit. Albanians have nothing to do with Chechens. I know it is the name Albania used for that Caucasus region. Big shit, the name Iberia is used for more than one region, Galicia. Spreading bullshit wins no friends. It just marks you out as Dickheads.

Yeah we know, but the lunatic in the hall (pink floyd lol) doesn't realize that.

Unurautare
2010-07-05, 03:17
you insult Hungarians,Cossacks,Russians,Ukrainians and Serbs ..i think thats enough ?


What's wrong with insulting hungarians and ukrainians? :< It's like they beg to be insulted,and more.

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1.I don't insult HUNgarians,many of them accept their Turanid origin


It's called assliking: to the turks they say how "turanic brothers we are"; to the poles they say how "eternal brothers and genetically alike we are"; to the germans they say how "good it was when we ruled together over the others(slavs and romanians)"; I even saw them befriend japanese with "eternal friendship" bs. :whoco: And while they are doing this notice the 0 reconciliation effort made to have good relations with their direct neighbours(and I can give you links to sites where they make anti-orthodox,anti-slavic(including anti-russian) and anti-romanian propaganda,sometimes combined)...huns are double-faced.

Zupan
2010-07-05, 11:12
I didn't say anything negative about your physical structure, just stating that you look ME, and you're obviously not russian.

lol no Yanniai doesn't look like some middle easterner...

He would go for a balkan native easily.. All his family are dinarid/pontid afaik. He's also dinarid/pontid.

Your mad.

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Eh Zupane

If you would know at least 5% history of medieval Europe...you will not claim shitly.

Clannish mentality has roots from Europe not from Muslim or chechen (chechens adobted from Byzantine time from Europeans since renaissance time ).....just read history of Vikings, Scotish, Italians, Frenchs, Basques ect....even clannish was very common in renaissance time.

In Balcan this system applied only Albanians, Montengrins, Bosnaks and Dalmatians (Croats) until XX century, so read more about history even a bit little among Serbians was common this system.

Hehe it's widespread in the islamic world/caucasus.

Montenegrins are serbs. Yeah it was common among them wanna know why? Because they had to keep the untermensch albanians at bay :)

yanniai
2010-07-05, 11:15
lol no Yanniai doesn't look like some middle easterner...

He would go for a balkan native easily.. All his family are dinarid/pontid afaik. He's also dinarid/pontid.

Your mad.

well i dont think my grandparents are just pontid-dinarid,they are mostly east nordic,and like you said they look like your grandparents i guess,just less dinarid :D

well lets dont give a fuck mate,that muslims have many ways to insult us :)

we will see their ugly faces when they are crying

Prengu
2010-07-05, 13:57
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Hehe it's widespread in the islamic world/caucasus.

Montenegrins are serbs. Yeah it was common among them wanna know why? Because they had to keep the untermensch albanians at bay :)

Again i said just read history more and learn.

Clanish system among Albanians was present since all were Catholics and none muslims.

And first time Clanish system mentioned among Scotish+Vikings (Roman time, in IX century) and later spreaded among Germans, Italians, Frenchs, Albanians ect.
Inform better before claming.

Viking
2010-07-05, 15:54
OT deleted.

/ Moderator

elguca
2010-07-05, 16:41
Again i said just read history more and learn.

Clanish system among Albanians was present since all were Catholics and none muslims.

And first time Clanish system mentioned among Scotish+Vikings (Roman time, in IX century) and later spreaded among Germans, Italians, Frenchs, Albanians ect.
Inform better before claming.

But, clanish system is an ancient system and being civilised is better you know. :D

yanniai
2010-07-05, 16:44
But, clanish system is an ancient system and being civilised is better you know. :D

aggree. but i think nonmuslim albanians are good :)

muslim albanians still arent civilized

Prengu
2010-07-05, 22:22
But, clanish system is an ancient system and being civilised is better you know. :D

That's is Middle Age system and was very common renaissance time (XIV-XVIII century) in majority of Europeans.

Feudalism has roots from this system.

We are talking in the past, and now is existent.

elguca
2010-07-05, 23:13
That's is Middle Age system and was very common renaissance time (XIV-XVIII century) in majority of Europeans.

Feudalism has roots from this system.

We are talking in the past, and now is existent.

Really? :D

Feudalism is a different concept. Nevermind, we live in 2010 and today people must be more civilised than XIV century. ;)

Prengu
2010-07-05, 23:26
:D:D

Zupan
2010-07-05, 23:44
Prengu you dimwit you know Dardanians were thracians/celts or possibly greek? Hahah :lol:

Post a pic of you shqipe ;)

yanniai
2010-07-05, 23:45
Prengu you dimwit you know Dardanians were thracians/celts or possibly greek? Hahah :lol:

Post a pic of you shqipe ;)

yeah we will see whos mongrel ;)

Prengu
2010-07-06, 02:39
Prengu you dimwit you know Dardanians were thracians/celts or possibly greek? Hahah :lol:

Ore stoke jedan :)...is the opposite...Thracians/Celts/Greeks/ect are descendants of Dardanians, even in pelasgian mythology Dardanus was son of Zeus :evilgrin:


Post a pic of you shqipe ;)

You already classified me, how you dont remember :cool:

Creature
2010-07-06, 02:43
aggree. but i think nonmuslim albanians are good :)

muslim albanians still arent civilized

Agree - not giving up their religion despite invaders having tried so hard to eradicate it.

They should be warned, perhaps ?; 'drop it, or we'll do a Chechnya'

Ylee
2010-07-06, 12:44
Yanniai stop using Sebro-Bolshevik Propaganda.

Resul Kapllani BURANOVICH is no one, he is not an Historian and he is not a linguist, he was in Prison in Albania for a long time, probably he is very pissed off because communists imprisoned him.

Everything you have written in the opening post is lies, there is no way in the world you can prove any of that.

Albanian language has been proven to be an Indo European Language a long time ago, linguists have nothing to prove, the grammatical and phonological structure of the Albanian language is 100% European, classifying a language if it is Indo European or not is not a big deal and you don't need chemical reactions or microscope to prove it, we can all see that, I am more than sure you know nothing about Albanian language and Albanian traditions that is why you are using lies.

Albanian Language is the direct Descendant of the languages that were spoken by the Paleo-Balkanids, the Albanian Genetics has been studied well and there is no significant difference at all between Albanians and the rest of the countries that surround Albania.



Mitochondrial DNA HV1 sequences and Y chromosome haplotypes (DYS19 STR and YAP) were characterised in an Albanian sample and compared with those of several other Indo-European populations from the European continent. No significant difference was observed between Albanians and most other Europeans, despite the fact that Albanians are clearly different from all other Indo-Europeans linguistically.
We observe a general lack of genetic structure among Indo-European populations for both maternal and paternal polymorphisms, as well as low levels of correlation between linguistics and genetics, even though slightly more significant for the Y chromosome than for mtDNA. Altogether, our results show that the linguistic structure of continental Indo-European populations is not reflected in the variability of the mitochondrial and Y chromosome markers. This discrepancy could be due to very recent differentiation of Indo-European populations in Europe and/or substantial amounts of gene flow among these populations.
European Journal of Human Genetics (2000) 8, 480–486.

>>>>LINK<<<< (http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v8/n7/pdf/5200443a.pdf)



You were funny when you said Albanian Language resembles Chechen Language because I have heard the chechens and to tell you the Truth I can't understand them BESIDES THAT, CHECHEN language doesn't belong to the indo European Family

Chechen is an ergative-agglutinative language. Linguistically, it is, together with Ingush and Bats, a member of the Nakh branch of the Northeast Caucasian language family.



Albanian Alphabet resembles the Armenian Alphabet

LOL Albanians use the Latin Alphabet and letters, Albanian clearly has nothing to do with Armenian, Albanian has as much in Common with Armenian as it has with German and Norwegian.

And clearly Albanian has nothing to do with Azerbaijani Lanugage since Albanian is Proven countless times by top linguists to be an Indo European Language and shows close affinity with the rest Indo European languages whereas Azerbaijani is a Turkic Language.

Azerbaijani or Azeri or Torki is a language belonging to the Turkic language family, spoken in southwestern Asia, primarily in Azerbaijan and northwestern Iran. Azerbaijani is member of the Oghuz branch of the Turkic languages and is closely related to Turkish, Qashqai and Turkmen.

the photos you have posted prove nothing, the only thing they prove is that yes there r old and ugly Albanians in Albania and Kosova BUT it is ok since there r ugly people in everywhere in the world even amongst Germans, Norwegians, Russians etc..... You and wherever you copy pasted this links and texts have CHERRY-PICKED everything just to make a point.

IF YOU WANT TO PROVE THAT ALBANIANS ARE MIDDLE EASTERN AND NON-INDO EUROPEAN THEN YOU WILL HAVE TO TRY REALLY HARD BECAUSE YOU WILL NEED A LOT OF FACTS AND SCIENTIFIC DATA TO BACK IT UP, NO ONE IN THE WORLD IS GONNA TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY WITH RESUL KAPLLANI - BURANOVICH BELIEVE ME BECAUSE HE IS NO ONE. I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL BE THE FIRST ALBANIAN TO LEAVE THE BALKANS IF YOU PROVE ME BY GENETICS, LINGUISTICS AND CULTURE THAT ALBANIANS ARE NOT EUROPEANS.


REAL RACIAL IMAGES OF ALBANIANS, MORE THAN 600 PICS (http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1238)

limeon
2010-07-06, 20:43
I dont understand why admins allow this russian mongrel here, he is trolling everything here.


For sure sake they are not russian, they are actually serbs who trying to love russian. but the funny is not either russian want to deal with these gypsy balkan also serbs.

MatejaKurlicenko
2010-07-07, 01:09
I think Albanians are not European.

Why do they want to be European?... :rolleyes:

are you serious, before you jude about the "europeaness" of albanians, you should take a look of yourself, in the mirror:| lol
ylee or sturmgewehr are "pure" albanians and they look 100times more europid/european as you, only a person who isnt familiar with albanian phenotypes would talk such a crap like you

have this person the right to consider albanians as "non europeans"???
https://forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=6464

ahahah you look like a hybrid between an arab and kurd

PolskiMoc
2010-07-07, 01:43
Well, Stormfront states that Portuguese, Spaniards, Italians (most of the NorthEast Italians) are white, instead of some users here who think about them as merely some "sand niggers".


So, as far I'm concerned about the siptari.. I don't now what to say about them regarding how do they look or if they are Illyrians or simply a curious people from Middle East.. who had some influence from the Greeks and Slavs.

Except for the fact that albanians are the worst criminal element in Europe.


PS: PoskiMoc obviously don't know what white people is. As a matter of fact I'm sick and tired about this Polish superiority mumbojumbo..

ITalians are the one Albanians copy with their criminal ways.

ITalians still have a large criminal element. Even when Italy is pretty well off.

When Italy was as bad off as Albanians ITalians acted even worse.

They both are scummy sand nigger mixed people.

elguca
2010-07-07, 09:23
are you serious, before you jude about the "europeaness" of albanians, you should take a look of yourself, in the mirror:| lol
ylee or sturmgewehr are "pure" albanians and they look 100times more europid/european as you, only a person who isnt familiar with albanian phenotypes would talk such a crap like you

have this person the right to consider albanians as "non europeans"???
https://forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=6464

ahahah you look like a hybrid between an arab and kurd

Do you have complex? Why so angry? :D

If i weren't European, i would proudly say my race. And if you have an average intelligence you can understand that a person don't need to be European to call a person non-European. :)

Sorry, Albanians are not very European. Albanians are Albanians. Why are you European-wannabees?

Orifist
2010-07-07, 09:28
Do you have complex? Why so angry? :D

If i weren't European, i would proudly say my race. And if you have an average intelligence you can understand that a person don't need to be European to call a person non-European. :)

Sorry, Albanians are not very European. Albanians are Albanians. Why are you European-wannabees?

They're more Europeans than Turk and Georgians, that's for sure. Since when does a stupid donkey Turk with Churka ancestry from Caucasus who basically are depigmented sand niggers can dictate what's "very European" and not?

elguca
2010-07-07, 11:10
They're more Europeans than Turk and Georgians, that's for sure. Since when does a stupid donkey Turk with Churka ancestry from Caucasus who basically are depigmented sand niggers can dictate what's "very European" and not?

I think no need to be genius to understand that a non-european can say that albanians were not europeans. Am i wrong? Or do you have problems of understanding? :D

By the way, I'm Bulgarian, Georgian, Hellenic and Turkic.

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Being a "wannabe" is a disgusting thing i think. :)

Prengu
2010-07-07, 11:12
And you are totally like Arab-indic.....nothing like any nation that you mentioned.....or you are from gipsy origin from states that you mentioned.

elguca
2010-07-07, 11:15
By the way, don't say anything about my intelligence. Probably i'm much more intelligent than you. :)

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And you are totally like Arab-indic.....nothing like any nation that you mentioned.....or you are from gipsy origin from states that you mentioned.

Sorry, i haven't Gypsy origin like you. But i love your people. They are interesting. :D

Prengu
2010-07-07, 11:23
Why are you ashamed to being gipsy?.....even your ethnicity is funny "HellenicSlavicGeorgian" lol

Orifist
2010-07-07, 12:24
Why are you ashamed to being gipsy?.....even your ethnicity is funny "HellenicSlavicGeorgian" lol

Hellenic, Slavic, Anatolian, Georgian, Armenian, Kurdish, Mongol...

elguca
2010-07-07, 13:15
Why are you ashamed to being gipsy?.....even your ethnicity is funny "HellenicSlavicGeorgian" lol

If i were gypsy like you, i wouldn't be ashamed as you do. :) I respect every race.

You Albanians are not Arab or Mesopotamian. You cannot be. They had a great civilization and I respect them. I respect them and I don't say "I want to be an Arab please make me an Arab" like you want to be European. :D Inferiority complex don't give anything good to you.

Kipchak
2010-07-08, 10:52
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCeSZS_jX-I

Watch it...The truth!
Albanians are ILLYRIANS,Serbs are Sarmatians from AFGHANISTAN.

Orifist
2010-07-08, 10:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCeSZS_jX-I

Watch it...The truth!
Albanians are ILLYRIANS,Serbs are Sarmatians from AFGHANISTAN.


No... Sarmatians were from Ukraine, not Afghanistan BTW :lol: The Afghans were the Massageatae

Kipchak
2010-07-08, 10:58
No... Sarmatians were from Ukraine, not Afghanistan BTW :lol: The Afghans were the Massageatae

Well,maybe I confused but Serbs have origin from "Serboi" tribe and it originated from Afghanistan...There is a Pashtun tribe called "Sarban" and they are considered as other descendants of "Serboi" tribe...

Orifist
2010-07-08, 10:59
Well,maybe I confused but Serbs have origin from "Serboi" tribe and it originated from Afghanistan...There is a Pashtun tribe called "Sarban" and they are considered as other descendants of "Serboi" tribe...

That sounds like Turanic fantasy stories applied to Serbs. Serbs come from White Serbs from Poland/Ukraine.

Zupan
2010-07-08, 11:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCeSZS_jX-I

Watch it...The truth!
Albanians are ILLYRIANS,Serbs are Sarmatians from AFGHANISTAN.

Yes the triuth from some muslim from Youtube!

This shows your capability to discuss stupid mulla whore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9U0QMlMl_Q

Turks are racial bastards who should be annihilated.

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Well,maybe I confused but Serbs have origin from "Serboi" tribe and it originated from Afghanistan...There is a Pashtun tribe called "Sarban" and they are considered as other descendants of "Serboi" tribe...

Haha mate are you drunk?

Sarmatians were everyone non greek dipshit. This was before they made contacts with the slav serbs. Serboi = Serbs, slavs whjo live in Ukraine nothing wrong.

Kipchak
2010-07-08, 11:07
Yes the triuth from some muslim from Youtube!

This shows your capability to discuss stupid mulla whore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9U0QMlMl_Q

Turks are racial bastards who should be annihilated.

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Haha mate are you drunk?

Sarmatians were everyone non greek dipshit. This was before they made contacts with the slav serbs. Serboi = Serbs, slavs whjo live in Ukraine nothing wrong.

LOL Albanian language is ILLYRIAN,not Caucasian like Georgian or Lezginka.Also mulla?I'm atheist,lol!Also %60 of albanians are Atheists ;) Whereas u serbs are FANATIC orthodoxes...I think if u serbs would convert to islam instead of christianity,u'd be most strict muslims...

And Serboi=Sarban=Afghan tribe xD

Zupan
2010-07-08, 11:10
LOL Albanian language is ILLYRIAN,not Caucasian like Georgian or Lezginka.Also mulla?I'm atheist,lol!Also %60 of albanians are Atheists ;) Whereas u serbs are FANATIC orthodoxes...I think if u serbs would convert to islam instead of christianity,u'd be most strict muslims...

And Serboi=Sarban=Afghan tribe xD


Why yes of course!

There are some unintelligeble serb words let's say they come form Mars ok? Just because soemone can't trace origins doesn't mean they become illyrian or some other extinct language. Get it kipchak mulla?

No serbs are sadly not fanatical orthodoxes.

Serbs = Serboi, a slav tribe living in modern Ukraine :)

Belisarius
2010-07-08, 11:33
Kipchak kid, read some serious books, youtube wont teach you any good

Zupan
2010-07-08, 11:34
Kipchak kid, read some serious books, youtube wont teach you any good

He's only fifteen the luittle mulla give him some time. He's probably under pressure to get married and so on..

alfieb
2010-07-08, 11:37
Albanians were first Pagans, then Christians, then Muslims, and now Atheists.

When conquered by the Roman, they became enlightened. When conquered by the Turk, they bent over and adopted their religion. When conquered by the Communist, they bent over and adopted their irreligion. It's quite sad how sheepish they are.

As for the origins of the Albanians, they very well could be Illyrian. There's no consensus, though... and many argue that they could also be Dacian or even Thracian.

Zupan
2010-07-08, 11:39
Albanians were first Pagans, then Christians, then Muslims, and now Atheists.

When conquered by the Roman, they became enlightened. When conquered by the Turk, they bent over and adopted their religion. When conquered by the Communist, they bent over and adopted their irreligion. It's quite sad how sheepish they are.

As for the origins of the Albanians, they very well could be Illyrian. There's no consensus, though... and many argue that they could also be Dacian or even Thracian.

Not all of them but yes it is sad. and what's even sadder is that many kosovo albanians don't even acknowledge that they were christian before.

I had to drag it out of my albanina friends. I don't know why but yeah it's sad.

Creature
2010-07-08, 12:08
Not all of them but yes it is sad. and what's even sadder is that many kosovo albanians don't even acknowledge that they were christian before.

I had to drag it out of my albanina friends. I don't know why but yeah it's sad.

That's the way with most parts of the World.

Africa was the heart of civilisation for many years - this emanated from the spread of Islam and Ethiopia was the hub - yet many European crusades later, we have a fragmented land with no idea of its identity, and riddled with disease.

Its also a lie that Albanians 'bent over' to Ottoman rule - they accepted Islam through their own premise.

Zupan
2010-07-08, 12:12
That's the way with most parts of the World.

Africa was the heart of civilisation for many years - this emanated from the spread of Islam and Ethiopia was the hub - yet many European crusades later, we have a fragmented land with no idea of its identity, and riddled with disease.

Its also a lie that Albanians 'bent over' to Ottoman rule - they accepted Islam through their own premise.

They fought three major battles. No need to dispute this with me if anything I know the history of the Balkans.

The most part did bend over but there was one clan in Albania proper that fought it with every man they had. They were approximately 10 000 in their mountain city/village. Fought turks who were over 50 000.

But many just went over without any fuss after Skanderbey died. It's a shame.

Creature
2010-07-08, 12:12
LOL Albanian language is ILLYRIAN,not Caucasian like Georgian or Lezginka.Also mulla?I'm atheist,lol!Also %60 of albanians are Atheists ;) Whereas u serbs are FANATIC orthodoxes...I think if u serbs would convert to islam instead of christianity,u'd be most strict muslims...

And Serboi=Sarban=Afghan tribe xD

These far-eastern [right] Europeans are the core of Nazism - look at what happened at Jasenovac, and then the genocide against the Bosniak Muslims by the serbs. They are without doubt 'ectremists' and to this date Dagestan; Chechnya; and much of the Muslims in the Caucasus remain oppressed.

Prengu
2010-07-08, 12:15
Albanians were first Pagans, then Christians, then Muslims, and now Atheists.

When conquered by the Roman, they became enlightened. When conquered by the Turk, they bent over and adopted their religion. When conquered by the Communist, they bent over and adopted their irreligion. It's quite sad how sheepish they are.

As for the origins of the Albanians, they very well could be Illyrian. There's no consensus, though... and many argue that they could also be Dacian or even Thracian.

Every nations did same as albanians, reason why Albanians+Bosnaks changed religion is that they were mostly catholics unlike other nations were orthodox, and catholics were true enemy of Ottomans.

But Albanians historicaly didn't practiced any religion, we even celebrate the pagan holidays :D...religion was not importan it is reason why we have alot religions+sects (like muslim-suni, muslim-bektashi, Catolich, Protestants, Orthodox).

Zupan
2010-07-08, 12:26
Every nations did same as albanians, reason why Albanians+Bosnaks changed religion is that they were mostly catholics unlike other nations were orthodox, and catholics were true enemy of Ottomans.

But Albanians historicaly didn't practiced any religion, we even celebrate the pagan holidays :D...religion was not importan it is reason why we have alot religions+sects (like muslim-suni, muslim-bektashi, Catolich, Protestants, Orthodox).


lol... Mate there were 30% orthodoxes in Bosnia at the time of the ottomans. So serbs were favored over 1 million males were taaken due to the blood tax (devshirme) ssystem. How many others? Oh shit I rememberd most were serbs!

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These far-eastern [right] Europeans are the core of Nazism - look at what happened at Jasenovac, and then the genocide against the Bosniak Muslims by the serbs. They are without doubt 'ectremists' and to this date Dagestan; Chechnya; and much of the Muslims in the Caucasus remain oppressed.


The muslims there are also extremists. Blowing up subways etc. Don't try to paint a anti-christian pic. It's the wrong forum for that.

Creature
2010-07-08, 12:51
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The muslims there are also extremists. Blowing up subways etc. Don't try to paint a anti-christian pic. It's the wrong forum for that.

Corner a tiger and it'll attack. I don't condone the blowing up of subways but many of the perpetrators have had their family killed by the russian forces for simply being Muslim.

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 12:55
Corner a tiger and it'll attack. I don't condone the blowing up of subways but many of the perpetrators have had their family killed by the russian forces for simply being Muslim.

and in the past circessians bbeen killed by Russians just because being a muslim and they ran away middle east, mainly ottoman empire.
Orthodoxes never see their extremist ppl and only blame "the other one" to be radical and bad etc. Russians always thought it was so natural/normal to be muslim hater and murder. and I totally agree: "Corner a tiger and it'll attack"

Zupan
2010-07-08, 12:59
Corner a tiger and it'll attack. I don't condone the blowing up of subways but many of the perpetrators have had their family killed by the russian forces for simply being Muslim.

Well Alija izetbegovic wanted to create a islamic republic in Bosnia.

He openly stated that it would be a breed between the ottoman era bosnia and a 'democracy' how the hell did he make up that?

Democracy by mking the serbs/croats dhimmis? Second class citizens like in the good ol days?

He even made other rather dumb speeches of how there are no serbs/croats in Bosnia but christian bosnjaks. He came up with that theory. Now other muslims follow him in Bosnia.

The same was happening in Bosnia or at least would happen if we wouldn't have been so militaristic. We took up arms and created our republic, no links to srebrenica pls. The only massacre of 'civilians' allegedly they were civilians. But we all know that arbih hid themselves there.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 13:00
and in the past circessians bbeen killed by Russians just because being a muslim and they ran away middle east, mainly ottoman empire.
Orthodoxes never see their extremist ppl and only blame "the other one" to be radical and bad etc. Russians always thought it was so natural/normal to be muslim hater and murder. and I totally agree: "Corner a tiger and it'll attack"

and what about circassians (and abkhazians arent circassians) ?? they are the same crap with chechens.. todays chechen terrorists has many circassian rebels.

today most circassians have good relations with russians (except muslims).

Zupan
2010-07-08, 13:02
and in the past circessians bbeen killed by Russians just because being a muslim and they ran away middle east, mainly ottoman empire.
Orthodoxes never see their extremist ppl and only blame "the other one" to be radical and bad etc. Russians always thought it was so natural/normal to be muslim hater and murder. and I totally agree: "Corner a tiger and it'll attack"

lol so when the muslim population revolts your just going to keep them kill cossacks in their home region? Wheres the logic? Of course you taake up arms unless your some western hypocrit.

Christians revolting in Iraq or Saudi arabia would have been massacred. This is what bugs me the most muslims are major hypocrits.

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 13:03
and what about circassians (and abkhazians arent circassians) ?? they are the same crap with chechens.. todays chechen terrorists has many circassian rebels.

today most circassians have good relations with russians (except muslims).

Read what I have wrote again. After all those killing and hate, its natural muslims in Russia to be rebel. What about Russians killed all those muslims in the past? Its nothing? No important? Just a detail? But when they get rebel its such an important issue!
Grow up boys

Zupan
2010-07-08, 13:05
Read what I have wrote again. After all those killing and hate, its natural muslims in Russia to be rebel. What about Russians killed all those muslims in the past? Its nothing? No important? Just a detail? But when they get rebel its such an important issue!
Grow up boys

THEY REBELLED BEFORE THE 18th CENTURY SILLY GIRL. IN THE ORIGINAL COSSACK LANDS.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 13:05
lol so when the muslim population revolts your just going to keep them kill cossacks in their home region? Wheres the logic? Of course you taake up arms unless your some western hypocrit.

Christians revolting in Iraq or Saudi arabia would have been massacred. This is what bugs me the most muslims are major hypocrits.

aggree..and what about islamized Cossacks in western caucasus?? they consider themself circassian or abkhaz now.. and they kill their own people.most muslim circassians are same crap with dagestani and other muslim caucasians,they are criminals,since they disturb cossacks. and they are known as `rapers`..

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Read what I have wrote again. After all those killing and hate, its natural muslims in Russia to be rebel. What about Russians killed all those muslims in the past? Its nothing? No important? Just a detail? But when they get rebel its such an important issue!
Grow up boys

what the hell? circassians are newcomer the northwest caucasus,and they steal our cultures,and they killed first.also they are famous with their thiefs.

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 13:10
aggree..and what about islamized Cossacks in western caucasus?? they consider themself circassian or abkhaz now.. and they kill their own people.most muslim circassians are same crap with dagestani and other muslim caucasians,they are criminals,since they disturb cossacks. and they are known as `rapers`..

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what the hell? circassians are newcomer the northwest caucasus,and they steal our cultures,and they killed first.

Really? when did it happen? and if u think that happen how many centuries ago? Do u always live with hate of the past and discriminate? If they live in Russia they live in Russia then... If tou dont want ppl to rebel you have to treat them live your own ppl. It shows your real face, u think they r some "other new comer and killed first" so u have right to do the same (lol) u r being very funny and showing ur real face more and more
If Russia dont want trouble with muslims, they must change their mentality. They have double standards. They have to admit they have been wrong first

yanniai
2010-07-08, 13:15
Really? when did it happen? and if u think that happen how many centuries ago? Do u always live with hate of the past and discriminate? If they live in Russia they live in Russia then... If tou dont want ppl to rebel you have to treat them live your own ppl. It shows your real face, u think they r some "other new comer and killed first" so u have right to do the same (lol) u r being very funny and showing ur real face more and more
If Russia dont want trouble with muslims, they must change their mentality. They have double standards. They have to admit they have been wrong first

sorry but i dont have tollerance against muslims,neither others. and you cant tell me one nation who loves circassians,because everybody hates them,not just me.even georgians,armenians... because everybody knows their real face.and caucasus muslims are famous with heir `Murids` . they are just know kill people,nothing more.and most Murids are chechens and muslim circassians.just remember Beslan,and just remember what they did to Russian soldiers in Grozny.everybody hates them you know it..they even kill Orthodox Circassians. they kill their own people.their language is steal from Georgians and Armenians.they dont have `culture` they are just barbars.

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 13:20
sorry but i dont have tollerance against muslims,neither others. and you cant tell me one nation who loves circassians,because everybody hates them,not just me.even georgians,armenians... because everybody knows their real face.and caucasus muslims are famous with heir `Murids` . they are just know kill people,nothing more.and most Murids are chechens and muslim circassians.just remember Beslan,and just remember what they did to Russian soldiers in Grozny.everybody hates them you know it..they even kill Orthodox Circassians. they kill their own people.their language is steal from Georgians and Armenians.they dont have `culture` they are just barbars.

Circessians dont have culture?? lol
There is no bigger killer than Russia. dont make me start...
If you have been fair those would never happen and they wouldnt lose so many ppl in the past. My family mother side are part circessian and they came anatolia because they been killed by Russians because of nothing but "being muslim". this is: "having no tolerance to muslim" ??? killing muslim just because they are muslim? and then excuse is: "but they were new comes before hand many years ago" (!)
Sorry but its impossible for me to understand this kind of logic.
and goodluck with "no tolerance" politics on muslims and make more and more rebel each day and Im sure it would be better for Russia (!)
Goodluck

Zupan
2010-07-08, 13:21
If tou dont want ppl to rebel you have to treat them live your own ppl. It shows your real face, u think they r some "other new comer and killed first" so u have right to do the same (lol) u r being very funny and showing ur real face more and more
If Russia dont want trouble with muslims, they must change their mentality. They have double standards. They have to admit they have been wrong first


Ask the ethnic Turk Qizilbash how your beloved government treat him and the other aleviis? :)


There is no bigger killed than Russia. dont make me start...

Armenian/Assyrian/Greek genocide? What about the kurds? Stupid pseudo turk.

Ylee
2010-07-08, 13:24
Albanians were first Pagans, then Christians, then Muslims, and now Atheists.

When conquered by the Roman, they became enlightened. When conquered by the Turk, they bent over and adopted their religion. When conquered by the Communist, they bent over and adopted their irreligion. It's quite sad how sheepish they are.

As for the origins of the Albanians, they very well could be Illyrian. There's no consensus, though... and many argue that they could also be Dacian or even Thracian.

My brother has posted this on the other thread:


Albanians were Catholics and the Ottoman Empire had banned catholicism in the Regions where it used to rule, while the Serbs and the rest of the Orthodox Christians were free to practice their religion and go to their churches, Albanians were not allowed to practice their Catholicism and the Catholic Churches were banned. we know very well that the Ottomans were aiming for Rome and they did everything to crush it. The Ottomans didn't give a damn about the Orthodox Christians cuz they had them by their balls and they had their Churches and everything that was related to them, that is why they let the Orthodox ( Serbs, Greeks etc.. ) practice their religion and that is why Serbs and Greeks got their independence a lot earlier than Albanians, that is why Serbs had 4ta Zhenska Gimnazija ( 4th Girls' Gymnasium ) during the late 1800s whereas Albanians didn't have their Primary schools till early 1900s, the ottomans were applying every kind of assimilative techniques to assimilate the Albanians ( banning their churches, banning their schools ect ect.... ), but in the end we Survived.

Albanians accepted Islam also because of the Ottoman pressure after the fall of Skenderbeg Rule and as a revenge of the things that Skenderbeg Caused to the Ottomans, the Ottomans confiscated the lands of the Albanian Clans that took part in the war, they took many Albanian sons as Janissaries and so on, so in Order to protect our own Lands in the late 16th and early 17th Century Albanians and the Clan leaders decided that it would be better to convert to Islam and Protect their lands and Children than Stay Christians and Assimilate to either Serbs or Greeks where the Greeks and Serbian Churches had heavy Influences.

Something similar goes for the Bosniaks. Bosniaks were also not Orthodox, they were BOGOMILS, their dogma was different from that of the Orthodox, I won't write too much for the Bosniaks u can read it with ur own eyes.


This Book might Help u Understand the Process of Albanians and Bosnians Converting to Islam.

Read Page 47 where it talks about how taxes were imposed to Albanians in such fashion that later it was unbearable ( the blood sucking fashion ) which ultimately was one of the Factors that made Albanians convert.

READ HERE
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THE BOOK OF H. T. NORRIS (http://books.google.com/books?id=PjSbrcgGZisC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Islam+in+the+Balkans&source=bl&ots=PoVRtMQXCo&sig=Lv8HOJuPuHtgTqplHuLLfg3OqVU&hl=en&ei=1D0CTJ3kNJL1OYO7ndcE&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false)

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 13:29
Ask the ethnic Turk Qizilbash how your beloved government treat him and the other aleviis? :)



Armenian/Assyrian/Greek genocide? What about the kurds? Stupid pseudo turk.

I support alevis. I dont think our government do everything right and perfect. But its our problem, your minorities are your problem.
Why you trying to change the topic in turkey? cause u cant even answer?

btw alevis are the most real turkmen in turkey comparing the other groups and real owner of the country actually. but your muslims are notthing to do with you.

Im against every kind of descrimination policies of governments about other ppl who has different religions. I support secularism and I have no religion either. You are one fundamentalist orthodox who hates muslims and "no talerance" :)
When our government dont give same religious rights to some groups its our big porblem also, then they also feel rebel. and its no good. but at least Im aware of we r doing wrong there but u r not even aware what u doing. You think russian orthodox is perfect and done everything good but dirty muslims rebelled because of nothing but because they are evil again... (!) anyway you guys have no logic or fair approachs. u just have "no tolerance" and know to support murder against the different ones for not showing tolerance


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and with reminding genocide issues I bet u mean: "ok we killed but u killed too so be quiet about it or you will have disadvantage too"
I do support our all minorities including myself. I support secularism as I said. and trying to turn the topic to turkey from russia is pathetic.

you cant even agree what you religious guys did was wrong. u only know how to swear and twisting the topic. its a typical serbitch approach I can say

yanniai
2010-07-08, 13:48
Circessians dont have culture?? lol
There is no bigger killer than Russia. dont make me start...
If you have been fair those would never happen and they wouldnt lose so many ppl in the past. My family mother side are part circessian and they came anatolia because they been killed by Russians because of nothing but "being muslim". this is: "having no tolerance to muslim" ??? killing muslim just because they are muslim? and then excuse is: "but they were new comes before hand many years ago" (!)
Sorry but its impossible for me to understand this kind of logic.
and goodluck with "no tolerance" politics on muslims and make more and more rebel each day and Im sure it would be better for Russia (!)
Goodluck

your muslim caucasian fellows are ugly double faced terrorists,remember how we civilised your people and how we feed them,and how your fellows steal our and other Caucasus peoples culture,your people just living like tribal first times,and we civilised them.Good luck to you too rebel,but we dont need luck,God with us. thanks.

elguca
2010-07-08, 13:58
I support alevis. I dont think our government do everything right and perfect. But its our problem, your minorities are your problem.
Why you trying to change the topic in turkey? cause u cant even answer?

btw alevis are the most real turkmen in turkey comparing the other groups and real owner of the country actually. but your muslims are notthing to do with you.

Im against every kind of descrimination policies of governments about other ppl who has different religions. I support secularism and I have no religion either. You are one fundamentalist orthodox who hates muslims and "no talerance" :)
When our government dont give same religious rights to some groups its our big porblem also, then they also feel rebel. and its no good. but at least Im aware of we r doing wrong there but u r not even aware what u doing. You think russian orthodox is perfect and done everything good but dirty muslims rebelled because of nothing but because they are evil again... (!) anyway you guys have no logic or fair approachs. u just have "no tolerance" and know to support murder against the different ones for not showing tolerance


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and with reminding genocide issues I bet u mean: "ok we killed but u killed too so be quiet about it or you will have disadvantage too"
I do support our all minorities including myself. I support secularism as I said. and trying to turn the topic to turkey from russia is pathetic.

you cant even agree what you religious guys did was wrong. u only know how to swear and twisting the topic. its a typical serbitch approach I can say

Tolerance? WHAT KIND OF TOLERANCE?

Sorry girl, but Islam is not like other religions. I haven't see any other religion which wants some people to dominate other people and suffer them. Please don't defend Islam, I studied Islam. I read Kuran. Please don't try. :D

How can a person treat equally to Islam and Christianity or Judaism? Centuries before the Crusades Muslims invaded Bethlehem, Jerusalem, North Africa and Spain. Who started? In Balkans some people (for example my grandfathers) were tortured and Islamized. In South Caucasus some people (for example my grandfathers) were tortured and Islamized. Who started?

I'm a radical Orthodox Christian and I am proud to be. Any problems?

Honestly, don't you know history?

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your muslim caucasian fellows are ugly double faced terrorists,remember how we civilised your people and how we feed them,and how your fellows steal our and other Caucasus peoples culture,your people just living like tribal first times,and we civilised them.Good luck to you too rebel,but we dont need luck,God with us. thanks.

I think they might learn something from Georgians. I just can't understand Circassians. Sometimes they love Russia, sometimes they love Georgia. What a pity. :D

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 14:03
Tolerance? WHAT KIND OF TOLERANCE?

Sorry girl, but Islam is not like other religions. I haven't see any other religion which wants some people to dominate other people and suffer them. Please don't defend Islam, I studied Islam. I read Kuran. Please don't try. :D

How can a person treat equally to Islam and Christianity or Judaism? Centuries before the Crusades Muslims invaded Bethlehem, Jerusalem, North Africa and Spain. Who started? In Balkans some people (for example my grandfathers) were tortured and Islamized. In South Caucasus some people (for example my grandfathers) were tortured and Islamized. Who started?

I'm a radical Orthodox Christian and I am proud to be. Any problems?

Honestly, don't you know history?

I dont support islam. my grands also islamized in bad ways but its not true other religions didnt do the same also in the past. look america and some regions of africa.
I defend the ones who been suffered under a country who killed them just because of their religion in the past. I respect everybodys religion and I support anyone who been suffered and killed just because of they have different religion/race/ethnicity. Dont expect me to ignore and tolerate this. They dont even accept what they did to circessians were wrong. they think it was fine because they ahev no toleration to islam (!). Those things started islamic rebel movements in Russia. and its mostly Russians own fault. Its all Im saying.

Prengu
2010-07-08, 14:05
Romans how many people killed being of non-christian (mostly pagan)?, read history.

All religions are crap.

elguca
2010-07-08, 14:22
Prengu are you serious? 11 MILLION CHRISTIANS were killed in Roman Empire until 4th century AD.

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And please don't eat the New World Order propaganda cake. :D

JaM
2010-07-08, 14:33
How stupid this whole thing is. European is something you are if you're from GEOGRAPHICAL Europe, there's nothing more to it. There's no identity, there's no genetics, there's no linguistics, just pure geography. Of course, you'll be considered European if you're born in Europe, and your immediate Ancestry is European. An Albanian doesn't really decide whether he is European or not, he just is, because Albania is in Europe.
Christianity is JUST as alien to Europe as Islam is, btw, the religion of people mean nothing.

Prengu
2010-07-08, 14:37
And how many scholars-scientist like Galileo Galilei, ect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

yanniai
2010-07-08, 14:38
How stupid this whole thing is. European is something you are if you're from GEOGRAPHICAL Europe, there's nothing more to it. There's no identity, there's no genetics, there's no linguistics, just pure geography. Of course, you'll be considered European if you're born in Europe, and your immediate Ancestry is European. An Albanian doesn't really decide whether he is European or not, he just is, because Albania is in Europe.
Christianity is JUST as alien to Europe as Islam is, btw, the religion of people mean nothing.

so according to you even turks and azeris are european?

here is the geographical map of Europe :

elguca
2010-07-08, 14:41
And how many scholars-scientist like Galileo Galilei, ect?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy

I think you are not very smart. :)

Catholicism and Orthodoxy are two different churches. Russia was not a Catholic country. I'm Orthodox, and some Catholics at the inquisition era don't move according to the Bible, they act according to their personal choices. They even killed Orthodoxes in the Crusades. This is not about religion, this is about money and power.

Stefs
2010-07-08, 14:51
Hey now, let's be a bit more realistic. :lol:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t406492/ :lol::lol::lol:

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggt2sy_-Ao

On video we could see Albania before 60 years ,pure muslims from Middle East ! Albanians wear Turbans even today .Albanians are also known as "Arnauts" and "Arnauds"Word - "arnaud" in Arabian language means -deserter,renegate- ! Whitch means that they are Arabian tribe, expeld from Arabia because of their collaboration with Turks. Turks have bring them in Balkans in 15th century.Even Turks call them "arnauts" whitch means "those who never come back" and that is a truth because Albanians really never go back to there fatherland Middle east. Ililyrians have nothing in common with Albanians(Arnauts). Illyrians were killed by Turks and Albanians- arabs.

Geto-Thracian
2010-07-08, 15:03
Genetically, Albanians are as european as any other balkan peoples and I have no doubt that they have some remnant of illyrian genes in them as well as central asian genes-OF ORIGINALLY EUROPEAN EXTRACTION....like the massagetae of modern Afghanistan were originally GETAE from old europe who went east.

Central asia was always caucasoid (read WHITE) land up until later times when it got "muddied".

I have to admit the original article does raise some interesting points which have only been barked at and not really properly rebutted....but then most of europe spent some time on those steppes...including some of the blondest blondies who think they are the original white race and not just a product of inbreeding and recessive genes.

Prengu
2010-07-08, 15:11
Stefs = an idiot parasite, you just show yourself how crni cigani you are.
And you are the one who came from stormfront schizofrenic and you must banned by now being at inferior complex and deficient retard.

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:17
Hey now, let's be a bit more realistic. :lol:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t406492/ :lol::lol::lol:

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 14:00 ----------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggt2sy_-Ao

On video we could see Albania before 60 years ,pure muslims from Middle East ! Albanians wear Turbans even today .Albanians are also known as "Arnauts" and "Arnauds"Word - "arnaud" in Arabian language means -deserter,renegate- ! Whitch means that they are Arabian tribe, expeld from Arabia because of their collaboration with Turks. Turks have bring them in Balkans in 15th century.Even Turks call them "arnauts" whitch means "those who never come back" and that is a truth because Albanians really never go back to there fatherland Middle east. Ililyrians have nothing in common with Albanians(Arnauts). Illyrians were killed by Turks and Albanians- arabs.

the video you posted is nothing, they haven't bothered to translate what it says, the people in the video look perfectly fine Dinarid Albanians, please stop making a donkey out of yourself, and what is the point with muslim Albanians??? Yes a big Part of ALbanians are muslims, so what??? are you jealous?? or your pea-sized brain thinks that muslims are a race LOL

OHHHH BRAVO THE LINK YOU POSTED, :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Stormfront yeah that is what we were waiting for, all the world's most prominent scientists are gathered in that forum to debunk the origin of Albanians lol:thumbsup::thumbsup:

You are as stupid as most of the teen-aged angry stormfront users with inferiority complex.

the thread here is a copy past from the very same thread and link of stormfront you posted.

Resul Kapllani - BURANOVICH is a booger and a big NO ONE.

He keeps claiming a lot of stuff in his article but he really has never ever proved any of that with real scientific facts and argument, it is all just claims, I can claim shit like that all day long, like SERBS R GYPSYS BECAUSE IN PASHTUN IDNIA THERE R SERBES TRIBES, yeah I could do that but that doesn't mean it is true.

THe PICs posted in that thread are a bunch of Peasant Albanians that celebrated the independence day, 98% of the cases those people are farmers who stay all day long in the sun, I have seen way uglier Serbs than the CHERRY-PICKED Albanian photos they have posted in SHITFRONT.

here you go some REAL IMAGES OF REAL ALBANIANS

MORE THAN 600 PICS OF REAL ALBANIANS (http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1238&page=4)

JaM
2010-07-08, 15:17
so according to you even turks and azeris are european?

here is the geographical map of Europe :

They are pheriphery, Albania is the core mainland of Europe. They have nothing to do with Albanias Europeaness. Are you serious? Turks are invaders, Albanians are not. Anyway, I'm not really sure about those Turks, I guess you could defend them as Europeans, if their ultimate origin is in the Thrace part of Istanbul.

If Albanians aren't European, what are they? Asian?

Germanics probably also originated in Central Asia, and if you claim that they aren't European, then you're just plain weird.

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:18
Stefs = an idiot parasite, you just show yourself how crni cigani you are.
And you are the one who came from stormfront schizofrenic and you must banned by now being at inferior complex and deficient retard.

That's all you have to say, my arab friend? :lol:

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They are pheriphery, Albania is the core mainland of Europe. They have nothing to do with Albanias Europeaness. Are you serious? Turks are invaders, Albanians are not. Anyway, I'm not really sure about those Turks, I guess you could defend them as Europeans, if their ultimate origin is in the Thrace part of Istanbul.

If Albanians aren't European, what are they? Asian?

Germanics probably also originated in Central Asia, and if you claim that they aren't European, then you're just plain weird.

No comment. :whoco:

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:25
that's all you have to say, my arab friend? :lol:

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no comment. :whoco:

12948

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:26
the video you posted is nothing, they haven't bothered to translate what it says, the people in the video look perfectly fine Dinarid Albanians, please stop making a donkey out of yourself, and what is the point with muslim Albanians??? Yes a big Part of ALbanians are muslims, so what??? are you jealous?? or your pea-sized brain thinks that muslims are a race LOL

OHHHH BRAVO THE LINK YOU POSTED, :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Stormfront yeah that is what we were waiting for, all the world's most prominent scientists are gathered in that forum to debunk the origin of Albanians lol:thumbsup::thumbsup:

You are as stupid as most of the teen-aged angry stormfront users with inferiority complex.

the thread here is a copy past from the very same thread and link of stormfront you posted.

Resul Kapllani - BURANOVICH is a booger and a big NO ONE.

He keeps claiming a lot of stuff in his article but he really has never ever proved any of that with real scientific facts and argument, it is all just claims, I can claim shit like that all day long, like SERBS R GYPSYS BECAUSE IN PASHTUN IDNIA THERE R SERBES TRIBES, yeah I could do that but that doesn't mean it is true.

THe PICs posted in that thread are a bunch of Peasant Albanians that celebrated the independence day, 98% of the cases those people are farmers who stay all day long in the sun, I have seen way uglier Serbs than the CHERRY-PICKED Albanian photos they have posted in SHITFRONT.

here you go some REAL IMAGES OF REAL ALBANIANS

MORE THAN 600 PICS OF REAL ALBANIANS (http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1238&page=4)

Go home shiptar. Afganistan is your home.

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12948

Lol, I see, amazingly you learned to use paint.
You must be the most intelligent of your breed.

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:28
Go home shiptar. Afganistan is your home.

Donkeys like you come from Afghanistan, you make the best transportation device in Afghanistan:


12949



Go home shiptar. Afganistan is your home.

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Lol, I see, amazingly you learned to use paint.
You must be the most intelligent of your breed.

I am at least 10 times more intelligent than you :) this is for sure without any doubts.

a person coming from Stormfront and using Buranovich as a reference can't have an IQ higher than that of his room temperature.

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:31
Donkeys like you come from Afghanistan, you make the best transportation device in Afghanistan:


12949

I thought donkeys are best transportation device in albania? :lol::lol::lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tya70rtLhqg

JaM
2010-07-08, 15:32
That's all you have to say, my arab friend? :lol:

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No comment. :whoco:

I guess you really have nothing worthwhile to say?


I thought donkeys are best transportation device in albania? :lol::lol::lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tya70rtLhqg


What a retarded post. I guess it says something about the poster.

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:34
I thought donkeys are best transportation device in albania? :lol::lol::lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tya70rtLhqg

is that you in the Video???? man those gypsies have molested you very bad, that is why you are mad at the world.

You are quiet an entertainment, they have upgraded you in the video, you must be some kind of Need For Speed Underground Donkey Version 3 with spoilers and all those fancy upgrades :thumbsup::thumbsup:



I guess you really have nothing worthwhile to say?

what do you expect from a guy that uses fake arguments and Serbo-Bolshevik propaganda from Pseudo-historians and with an IQ lower than his own room temperature.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:34
i think albanians should proud with their middle eastern heritage,because its very funny when they thinks they are Europeans etc.. im sure you guys read this,after you would come to say that i look armenoid,assyrian,arab etc.. but everyone knows how i look,even Stefs knows it,also everyone knows how real Cossacks looks like too,so you cant tell me that i look turanid,middle eastern etc etc.because i have no complex like you guys. if i were albanian i would proud with my middle eastern heritage,real albanians are from middle east,but white albanians are albanized Slavs and Greeks. please stop doing `wannabe european` because you are NOT. that just makes you funny. but if you consider turks as european,than you should be clearly European :) theres no need to wannabe,just proud what you are.everybody knows that.and someone cant prove albanians as white,because its just kosovar propaganda for making Kosovo albanized.. but everybody knows that its ancient Orthodox Serbian city.

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:35
I know shiptars have long tradition of goat and donkey fuck, but this clip is pro.
:lol::lol::lol:
http://myhost1.micklemuckle.0lx.net/

IstenmeyenTuy
2010-07-08, 15:35
They are pheriphery, Albania is the core mainland of Europe. They have nothing to do with Albanias Europeaness. Are you serious? Turks are invaders, Albanians are not. Anyway, I'm not really sure about those Turks, I guess you could defend them as Europeans, if their ultimate origin is in the Thrace part of Istanbul.

If Albanians aren't European, what are they? Asian?

Germanics probably also originated in Central Asia, and if you claim that they aren't European, then you're just plain weird.

very true. thrace culture (european part of turkey) is normal balkan culture and balkan type ppl. its not less european than caucasus like dagestan..etc (not only geographically but also on other aspects)

except that, even in asia minor, my city is near georgia border and in asia but our culture is one of the oldest european cultures of the world. pontos ppl came from greece mainland which is in europe and talk pontian (old greek dialect) and still tradition clothing, instruments, music ..etc the same. Many cultures even in asia minor can claim europeanness, it depends.
seeing the type of our ppl, looking, culture..etc nothing more than a european except the religion I can say. can be considered as middle estern and european both easily.

geographically, asia minor is asia, albania is europe, east thrace is europe of course.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:36
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-zEWFSPUCU

Prengu
2010-07-08, 15:37
It is funny, when a member a turkic tribes from "Cossack" claim that own people are europeans and others natives are not....guest why because he has complex being of non-european origin (even hate turks and muslims).

The word Cossack is originally a Turkic word, qazaq, which means "adventurer" or "free man".[3][4][5] Cossacks (Qazaqlar) were also border keepers in the Khanate of Kazan.

The Don Cossack Host, allied with the Tsardom of Russia, began a systematic conquest and colonisation of lands to secure her borders on the Volga, the whole of Siberia, the Ural and the Terek Rivers.

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:39
i think albanians should proud with their middle eastern heritage,because its very funny when they thinks they are Europeans etc.. im sure you guys read this,after you would come to say that i look armenoid,assyrian,arab etc.. but everyone knows how i look,even Stefs knows it,also everyone knows how real Cossacks looks like too,so you cant tell me that i look turanid,middle eastern etc etc.because i have no complex like you guys. if i were albanian i would proud with my middle eastern heritage,real albanians are from middle east,but white albanians are albanized Slavs and Greeks. please stop doing `wannabe european` because you are NOT. that just makes you funny. but if you consider turks as european,than you should be clearly European :) theres no need to wannabe,just proud what you are.everybody knows that.and someone cant prove albanians as white,because its just kosovar propaganda for making Kosovo albanized.. but everybody knows that its ancient Orthodox Serbian city.

If I was as stupid as you I would start offending Cossacks but I know it is not the right way so I will let you drawn yourself in your own ignorance and stupidity :).

YES YOU DO LOOK ARMENIAN, A VERY UGLY ONE, YOU DON"T LOOK WHITE AT ALL, I SAW SOME PICS OR YOURS, A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM SENT ME SOME THAT YOU HAVE POSTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU ARE NOT WHITE, YOU LOOK LIKE AN ARMENO-ASSYRIAN JEW.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:39
It is joke, when a member a turkic tribes from "Cossack" claim that own people are europeans and others natives are not....guest why because he has complex being of non-european origin.

The word Cossack is originally a Turkic word, qazaq, which means "adventurer" or "free man".[3][4][5] Cossacks (Qazaqlar) were also border keepers in the Khanate of Kazan.

im at least 100 times whiter than real albanians.. another albanians who look white is just albanized SLAVS ;)

see how your kosovar albanians looks like :lol:

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If I was as stupid as you I would start offending Cossacks but I know it is not the right way so I will let u drawn yourself in your own ignorance and stupidity :).

YES YOU DO LOOK ARMENIAN, A VERY UGLY ONE, YOU DON"T LOOK WHITE AT ALL, I SAW SOME PICS OR YOURS, A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM SENT ME SOME THAT YOU HAVE POSTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU ARE NOT WHITE, YOU LOOK LIKE AN ARMENO-ASSYRIAN JEW.

LOL :lol: ASSYRIANS ARE WHITE ANYWAY ;) at least whiter than albanians,and thanks for telling myself assyrian-armenian :)

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 14:41 ----------


It is funny, when a member a turkic tribes from "Cossack" claim that own people are europeans and others natives are not....guest why because he has complex being of non-european origin (even hate turks and muslims).

The word Cossack is originally a Turkic word, qazaq, which means "adventurer" or "free man".[3][4][5] Cossacks (Qazaqlar) were also border keepers in the Khanate of Kazan.

The Don Cossack Host, allied with the Tsardom of Russia, began a systematic conquest and colonisation of lands to secure her borders on the Volga, the whole of Siberia, the Ural and the Terek Rivers.

just funny,we have nothing to do with mongols.

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:42
If I was as stupid as you I would start offending Cossacks but I know it is not the right way so I will let you drawn yourself in your own ignorance and stupidity :).

YES YOU DO LOOK ARMENIAN, A VERY UGLY ONE, YOU DON"T LOOK WHITE AT ALL, I SAW SOME PICS OR YOURS, A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM SENT ME SOME THAT YOU HAVE POSTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU ARE NOT WHITE, YOU LOOK LIKE AN ARMENO-ASSYRIAN JEW.

Stfu and keep giving it to that donkey. :lol:
http://myhost1.micklemuckle.0lx.net/

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:42
If I was as stupid as you I would start offending Cossacks but I know it is not the right way so I will let you drawn yourself in your own ignorance and stupidity :).

YES YOU DO LOOK ARMENIAN, A VERY UGLY ONE, YOU DON"T LOOK WHITE AT ALL, I SAW SOME PICS OR YOURS, A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM SENT ME SOME THAT YOU HAVE POSTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU ARE NOT WHITE, YOU LOOK LIKE AN ARMENO-ASSYRIAN JEW.

just check your profile photo mate which u sent for classify ;)

Prengu
2010-07-08, 15:44
If I was as stupid as you I would start offending Cossacks but I know it is not the right way so I will let you drawn yourself in your own ignorance and stupidity :).

YES YOU DO LOOK ARMENIAN, A VERY UGLY ONE, YOU DON"T LOOK WHITE AT ALL, I SAW SOME PICS OR YOURS, A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM SENT ME SOME THAT YOU HAVE POSTED SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU ARE NOT WHITE, YOU LOOK LIKE AN ARMENO-ASSYRIAN JEW.

:lol: He claim even his friend (Elguca which look like arab) is typical white and look very greek and bulgarian :whoco::lol:

We are dealing with idiots of stormfront, and all of them has race complex..

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:45
:lol: He claim even his friend (Elguca which look like arab) is typical white and look very greek and bulgarian :whoco::lol:

We are dealing with idiots of stormfront, and all of them has race complex and their life.

i didnt said elguca looks bulgarian etc :) i think you have complex,you dont proud with your heritage man :D

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:47
:lol: He claim even his friend (Elguca which look like arab) is typical white and look very greek and bulgarian :whoco::lol:

We are dealing with idiots of stormfront, and all of them has race complex..

Butthurt?
Your breed is not accepted as white at Stormfront, so what I see here is a butthurt? :lol:

Qizilbash
2010-07-08, 15:47
Serbians are the best!

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:49
Butthurt?
Your breed is not accepted as white at Stormfront, so what I see here is a butthurt? :lol:

yess,that explains why he got angry :D

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:50
LOL :lol: ASSYRIANS ARE WHITE ANYWAY ;) at least whiter than albanians,and thanks for telling myself assyrian-armenian :)[COLOR="Silver"]



just funny,we have nothing to do with mongols.

Assyrians don't identify themselves as white, assyrians are proud middle eastern people who once upon a time had a great civilization, I didn't use the reference Assyrian and Jew to degrade you I just used that reference to Explain you that you are not white.

The PIC that I have from you looks something like this.

I don't wanna post your PICs cuz it will get me banned and it is against the forum Rules.

THis is how YANNIAI looks like:
12950

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:52
Assyrians don't identify themselves as white, assyrians are proud middle eastern people who once upon a time had a great civilization, I didn't use the reference Assyrian and Jew to degrade you I just used that reference to Explain you that you are not white.

The PIC that I have from you looks something like this.

I don't wanna post your PICs cuz it will get me banned and it is against the forum Rules.

THis is how YANNIAI looks like:
12950

lol let me believe you,send it to my pm

Stefs
2010-07-08, 15:52
Assyrians don't identify themselves as white, assyrians are proud middle eastern people who once upon a time had a great civilization, I didn't use the reference Assyrian and Jew to degrade you I just used that reference to Explain you that you are not white.

The PIC that I have from you looks something like this.

I don't wanna post your PICs cuz it will get me banned and it is against the forum Rules.

THis is how YANNIAI looks like:
12950

Filthy shiptar liar. :lol:

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:52
Assyrians don't identify themselves as white, assyrians are proud middle eastern people who once upon a time had a great civilization, I didn't use the reference Assyrian and Jew to degrade you I just used that reference to Explain you that you are not white.

The PIC that I have from you looks something like this.

I don't wanna post your PICs cuz it will get me banned and it is against the forum Rules.

THis is how YANNIAI looks like:
12950

and dont forget your profile picture in your classification thread,typical central anatolian :thumbsup:

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Filthy shiptar liar. :lol:

at least you saw me but that guys didnt,and try to prove something :)

they said once im mongol,now they are going to say im middle eastern.. see the shiptar muslim double face..

Ylee
2010-07-08, 15:54
and dont forget your profile picture in your classification thread,typical central anatolian :thumbsup:

that in the Avatar is me, go on my classification thread everyone classified me as ALPINO-DINARID = Typical Balkanid.

You don't have the guts to post you own ugly Brown face cuz that will be it, I have a PIC of you I just don't want to post it.

You are not white and you will never be especially with your Cossack ancestry




at least you saw me but that guys didnt,and try to prove something :)

they said once im mongol,now they are going to say im middle eastern.. see the shiptar muslim double face..

I did see you, and the fake PICs of your supposedly grandma and cousin you sent me were pathetic, you think I buy that kind of cap please, you have no idea what white means, white doesn't have any meaning anyways it is a Useless unscientific term, you are a lying maggot, you come here spread lies and wonder why others do that to yourself.

you supposedly grandma didn't look European she looked like a Mongoloid/Nordid Mix.

Prengu
2010-07-08, 15:54
THis is how YANNIAI looks like:
12950

Brave muslim :thumbsup:

yanniai
2010-07-08, 15:57
that in the Avatar is me, go on my classification thread everyone classified me as ALPINO-DINARID = Typical Balkanid.

You don't have the guts to post you own ugly Brown face cuz that will be it, I have a PIC of you I just don't want to post it.

You are not white and you will never be especially with your Cossack ancestry

lol,you has `everyone told me that i look white ` etc..

i dont have that complex,than it shows whos white :lol:

Slava Kazakam,URRAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :lol:

i think you cant prove something with telling my so called ` middle eastern and mongoloid face`..

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 14:58 ----------


Brave muslim :thumbsup:

muslim ??? i think time to call my grandfather :lol: hes great muslim killer :lol:

still remember your PM mate,you still here :D

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:00
lol,you has `everyone told me that i look white ` etc..

i dont have that complex,than it shows whos white :lol:

Slava Kazakam,URRAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :lol:

i think you cant prove something with telling my so called ` middle eastern and mongoloid face`..

I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:01
that in the Avatar is me, go on my classification thread everyone classified me as ALPINO-DINARID = Typical Balkanid.

You don't have the guts to post you own ugly Brown face cuz that will be it, I have a PIC of you I just don't want to post it.

You are not white and you will never be especially with your Cossack ancestry



I did see you, and the fake PICs of your supposedly grandma and cousin you sent me were pathetic, you think I buy that kind of cap please, you have no idea what white means, white doesn't have any meaning anyways it is a Useless unscientific term, you are a lying maggot, you come here spread lies and wonder why others do that to yourself.

you supposedly grandma didn't look European she looked like a Mongoloid/Nordid Mix.

you are double faced kosovar muslim... see and remember :lol: i alrady didnt sent my pic to you :evilgrin: :

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:03
I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

well just see the nationalities of my classifiers, i dont need to send you screen of my classifications of polskimoc or polako or other european members :lol: ok lets say i look like middle eastern and looks albanian :D i dont have complex mate,i know how i look,im just telling you being european wannabe makes you and other muslims funny :D

Prengu
2010-07-08, 16:06
I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

from Decimore:

"Taurid, if you grew a mustache I would think 100% anatolian turkish"


hahahahahahahahhahahah:lol:
hahahahahhahahahahahah:lol:

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:06
you guys arent accepted stormfront lol

anyway yeah im armenoid,and i look albanian.. are you proud guys ? :D

Stefs
2010-07-08, 16:06
I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

It's about time to move your ugly anatolian face of this thread.
Yanniai looks like Pontic and there is no question about it.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:06
from Decimore:

"Taurid, if you grew a mustache I would think 100% anatolian turkish"


hahahahahahahahhahahah:lol:
hahahahahhahahahahahah:lol:

yeah :D i have albanian face :lol:

Prengu
2010-07-08, 16:08
yeah :D i have albanian face :lol:

You look like Stefs....100% armenoid...:evilgrin:

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:09
It's about time to move your ugly anatolian face of this thread.
Yanniai looks like Pontic and there is no question about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-zEWFSPUCU

i though i look albanian,but thank you dude,now im happy that i dont look albanian :D

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:09 ----------


You look like Stefs....100% armenoid...:evilgrin:

yeah and we both proud our albanian heritage :D

Yautja_BR
2010-07-08, 16:09
Yanniai looks like a Russian or any other Slav.


I don't see anything '"armenian" on him..sorry..


This thread is becoming useless and just a flame war..

Stefs
2010-07-08, 16:11
You look like Stefs....100% armenoid...:evilgrin:

Feel free to view my classification thread and see what I'm classified as. :D

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:11
you are double faced kosovar muslim... see and remember :lol: i alrady didnt sent my pic to you :evilgrin: :

yes Retard you sent me fake PICs of your Grandma and Cousin, probably found them somewhere on INternet, as you can read on my letter I said you supposedly cousin looks white not YOU.

I never said anything about you, I even said that I am whiter than you, I remember I said I THINK I AM WHITER THAN YOU

I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

I have your Classification PICs form your thread and some other ones, and you look Armenian

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I never said you look White it was the opposite I said I am way whiter than you after I saw youwere classified as an Armenoid.

you are a spineless lying twat:
12952

12953


THIS IS WHERE I TOLD YOU I AM WHITER THAN YOUR ARMENOID PHENOTYPE.

12954

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:11
well they are try to prove change thread theme,but they cant:D just like they cant hide their face in real life... :D

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:13 ----------


yes Retard you sent me fake PICs of your Grandma and Cousin, probably found them somewhere on INternet, as you can read on my letter I said you supposedly cousin looks white not YOU.

I never said anything about you, I even said that I am whiter than you, I remember I said I THINK I AM WHITER THAN YOU

I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

I have your Classification PICs form your thread and some other ones, and you look Armenian

--------------------------------------------------

I never said you look White it was the opposite I said I am way whiter than you after I saw youwere classified as an Armenoid.

you are a spineless lying twat:
12952

12953


THIS IS WHERE I TOLD YOU I AM WHITER THAN YOUR ARMENOID PHENOTYPE.

12954

do u think i can send you my photo?? believing shiptar isnt that good :D

btw i think i look pamirid with arabid influence,and i think i have some albanian blood :(:(

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:14 ----------


yes Retard you sent me fake PICs of your Grandma and Cousin, probably found them somewhere on INternet, as you can read on my letter I said you supposedly cousin looks white not YOU.

I never said anything about you, I even said that I am whiter than you, I remember I said I THINK I AM WHITER THAN YOU

I never said you look white, I have never claimed that, you classification thread shows enough, everyone in your thread classified you as an Armenian, I didn't classify you but I have those PICs a forum user sent them to me and yes you look like a typical Armenian and you can't blend in nowhere in Europe.

YANNIAI'S CLASSIFICATION THREAD

https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=866

I have your Classification PICs form your thread and some other ones, and you look Armenian

--------------------------------------------------

I never said you look White it was the opposite I said I am way whiter than you after I saw youwere classified as an Armenoid.

you are a spineless lying twat:
12952

12953


THIS IS WHERE I TOLD YOU I AM WHITER THAN YOUR ARMENOID PHENOTYPE.

12954

btw your muslim face again,you even cant prove something :) pictures talks,thanks for upload because i think i have internet connection problem.. btw you can ask any person about my cousin etc,thats not from internet,i have photos with my grandmother lol.im not liar or have complex like you guys :)

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:15
Feel free to view my classification thread and see what I'm classified as. :D


Here is profile picture:
http://i48.tinypic.com/296j68j.jpg
And here is frontal:
http://i48.tinypic.com/1ibnu8.jpg
Thanks in advance. :)


Stefs I don't give 2 flying fucks what others classified you, but I am 1000% sure about one thing, I am way whiter than you, I got Blue eyes and Lighter skin, you look like an Ottoman Bastard

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:17
Stefs I don't give 2 flying fucks what others classified you, but I am 1000% sure about one thing, I am way whiter than you, I got Blue eyes and Lighter skin, you look like an Ottoman Bastard

i have blue eyes too so wtf idiot? i have blue eyes too. why do u have complex?? even i was red hair .. why the hell do u have complex?

Stefs
2010-07-08, 16:18
Stefs I don't give 2 flying fucks what others classified you, but I am 1000% sure about one thing, I am way whiter than you, I got Blue eyes and Lighter skin, you look like an Ottoman Bastard

You think blue eyes make you European? :lol:
There are plenty of blue eyed mongs and arabs, you muslim turk donkey fucker.
And keep dreaming about lighter skin, my skin is snow white. :lol:
Mirrors are expensive tehnology in albania.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:20
You think blue eyes make you European? :lol:
There are plenty of blue eyed mongs and arabs, you muslim turk donkey fucker.
And keep dreaming about lighter skin, my skin is snow white. :lol:

LOL they already try to prove we look armenoid middle eastern :lol: im really not surprised,because they cant prove albanians as white,thats why they directly attack to users,and they try to change thread theme.

Zupan
2010-07-08, 16:22
Luckily I got my yearly tan i'm now brown! Why the obsession with being white? :o

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:23
Luckily I got my yearly tan i'm now brown! Why the obsession with being white? :o

yeah thats what im talking about mate :D

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:24
i have blue eyes too so wtf idiot? i have blue eyes too. why do u have complex?? even i was red hair .. why the hell do u have complex?

you don't have blue eyes stop lying, you are a dark skinned hooked nose Armenian stop bullshitting yourself cuz you will end up believing it.

I don't have any complexes I never identify myself with such a useless term as WHITE and I told u this in my private messages, you can read them you lying spineless Twat.



You think blue eyes make you European? :lol:
There are plenty of blue eyed mongs and arabs, you muslim turk donkey fucker.
And keep dreaming about lighter skin, my skin is snow white. :lol:
Mirrors are expensive tehnology in albania.

My Skin is 2 shades lighter than yours, my facial structure is way more European that yours, you headshape looks SOMALID.

Blue eyes don't make you white, and as I said I never identify myself as white, so you can go and cry on Stormfront of how you got owned here by a Way whiter Albo than you.

I am whiter than you deal with it, my skin, my eyes, my facial structure is whiter than yours and more European.

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 17:24 ----------


Luckily I got my yearly tan i'm now brown! Why the obsession with being white? :o

ask YANNIAI cuz he was crying to me on PM why did I say I was whiter than him LOL

WHite means shit, it has no meaning no scientific meaning.

Qizilbash
2010-07-08, 16:25
I think Albanians don't look like europeans.

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:25 ----------


Luckily I got my yearly tan i'm now brown! Why the obsession with being white? :o

I totally agree!!

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:26
you don't have blue eyes stop lying, you are a dark skinned hooked nose Armenian stop bullshitting yourself cuz you will end up believing it.

I don't have any complexes I never identify myself with such a useless term as WHITE and I told u this in my private messages, you can read them you lying spineless Twat.




My Skin is 2 shades lighter than yours, my facial structure is way more European that yours, you headshape looks SOMALID.

Blue eyes don't make you white, and as I said I never identify myself as white, so you can go and cry on Stormfront of how you got owned here by a Way whiter Albo than you.

I am whiter than you deal with it, my skin, my eyes, my facial structure is whiter than yours and more European.

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 17:24 ----------



ask YANNIAI cuz he was crying to me on PM why did I say I was whiter than him LOL

WHite means shit, it has no meaning no scientific meaning.

LOL That shows how muslims liar ... you said you saw me and one member sent it to you.and i said send it to my PM,but you already didnt,and now you said i dont have blue eyes etc.. :lol: you have complex mate,accept it,you have complex.. thats why i created that thread because albanian complex is famous everywhere

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:28
I think Albanians don't look like europeans.

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:25 ----------



I totally agree!!

you can joint the I AM WITH THE STUPID GROUP after saying this.

there is no European group and Race, Europe is consisted of diverse cultures, languages and Sub-Race, there is no European Race you numb-nut.

There is Nordid, DInarid, Aplpinid races etcc... but not European.

Stefs and Yanniai will gladly accept you on their DONKEY GROUP:lol::lol:

Prengu
2010-07-08, 16:29
I think Albanians don't look like europeans.

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:25 ----------



I totally agree!!

All this hate came from Armenoids, strange :lol:

What did Albanians to them :D

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:30
LOL That shows how muslims liar ... you said you saw me and one member sent it to you.and i said send it to my PM,but you already didnt,and now you said i dont have blue eyes etc.. :lol: you have complex mate,accept it,you have complex.. thats why i created that thread because albanian complex is famous everywhere

I saw your PICs, I hadn't seen them when you PM'ed me yesterday but I saw them, and I don't even have to see them ELIAS classified you as Armenid and 90% of other members I don't need to see you ugly face, I regret I saw it.

you are a lying turkic bastard with inferiority complex.

Qizilbash
2010-07-08, 16:31
All this hate came from Armenoids, strange :lol:

What did my ancestors to them :D

Shut up!
Armenoid is you:)

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:32
I saw your PICs, I hadn't seen them when you PM'ed me yesterday but I saw them, and I don't even have to see them ELIAS classified you as Armenid and 90% of other members I don't need to see you ugly face, I regret I saw it.

you are a lying turkic bastard with inferiority complex.

if i upload my picture,wtf would you do?? :D:D

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:34
if i upload my picture,wtf would you do?? :D:D

please don't upload them cuz I just ate, I don't wanna throw up now.:sick::sick:

please I will poke my eyes out if I see your REAL pics one more time I swear.

You will probably post fake PICs of someone else.

Good night Brown skinned hooked nose Armenoid:thumbsup:

Qizilbash
2010-07-08, 16:34
you can joint the I AM WITH THE STUPID GROUP after saying this.

there is no European group and Race, Europe is consisted of diverse cultures, languages and Sub-Race, there is no European Race you numb-nut.

There is Nordid, DInarid, Aplpinid races etcc... but not European.

Stefs and Yanniai will gladly accept you on their DONKEY GROUP:lol::lol:

why you attack me?
I just said " albanians don't look like europeans " it's not an insult.
Don't attack me like dogs.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:35
please don't upload them cuz I just ate, I don't wanna throw up now.:sick::sick:

please I will poke my eyes out if I see your REAL pics one more time I swear.

You will probably post fake PICs of someone else.

Good night Brown skinned hooked nose Armenoid:thumbsup:

hahaha okay,thank you mate good night,im proud to be albanian.. :D

Prengu
2010-07-08, 16:35
Shut up!
Armenoid is you:)

Yok ya, salak kavur :lol:

Qizilbash
2010-07-08, 16:36
Yok ya, salak kavur :lol:

götümle gülüyorum sana orospu çocuğu, pezevengin dölü puşt seni
siktir git burdan eşşeğin piçi!

Yautja_BR
2010-07-08, 16:37
What's all the fuss for?? Come on!!


Fucking stupid thing this "I'm more european than you", "I'm more white than you", "I have blue eyes and you don't".. fuck it!!



Stop fighting you damn bastids..haha:whoco:

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:38
why you attack me?
I just said " albanians don't look like europeans " it's not an insult.
Don't attack me like dogs.

I didn't insult you man, why do you think I insulted you???

I just told you the truth.

And the truth is that only illiterate and stupid people like Stefs and Yanniai use terms as WHITE and EUROPEAN LOOK.

I didn't insult you at all, that is what you are, blame mother nature for that.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:38
What's all the fuss for?? Come on!!


Fucking stupid thing this "I'm more european than you", "I'm more white than you", "I have blue eyes and you don't".. fuck it!!



Stop fighting you damn bastids..haha:whoco:

;) yes thats what i want... they have complex,especially ylee and prengu.. its understandable in their comments against me and stef.;)

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:42
hahaha okay,thank you mate good night,im proud to be albanian.. :D

you just wish.

Good night Yanniai, cover your hooked nose with a double blanket.
12955

Qizilbash
2010-07-08, 16:42
I am european, i am not, i am more SO WHATTT!!!!
PLEASE STOP THIS STUPID DISCUSSES!
I am a black from Africa, or a white from Europe, So what!
Be human, not racist!

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:43
you just wish.

Good night Yanniai, cover your hooked nose with a double blanket.
12955

OMG he looks alike me :) thanks for sharing mate,i just saved it to my photos :evilgrin:

Ylee
2010-07-08, 16:45
I am european, i am not, i am more SO WHATTT!!!!
PLEASE STOP THIS STUPID DISCUSSES!
I am a black from Africa, or a white from Europe, So what!
Be human, not racist!

go check the Private messages Yanniai sent me, check how he was crying because I said I am whiter than him ( in the sense of Skin color)

as I said on my god knows how many previous posts, I don't identify myself as white that should be enough for you to Understand :)

Gule Gule

Prengu
2010-07-08, 16:45
götümle gülüyorum sana orospu çocuğu, pezevengin dölü puşt seni
siktir git burdan eşşeğin piçi!

Siktir pic kurusu, cingene dansos oglu, azinim sicerim senin, git burda salak ibne.

yanniai
2010-07-08, 16:47
go check the Private messages Yanniai sent me, check how he was crying because I said I am whiter than him ( in the sense of Skin color)

as I said on my god knows how many previous posts, I don't identify myself as white that should be enough for you to Understand :)

Gule Gule

yeah :thumbsup::thumbsup: btw i think i look part quadroon,but i have asiatic elements too for sure :)

---------- Post added 2010-07-08 at 15:49 ----------


go check the Private messages Yanniai sent me, check how he was crying because I said I am whiter than him ( in the sense of Skin color)

as I said on my god knows how many previous posts, I don't identify myself as white that should be enough for you to Understand :)

Gule Gule

btw it shows how im friendly with people :) feel free about declined from white forums.. im not admin mate :)

Viking
2010-07-08, 16:51
This is a trolling thread (only the fact that it's posted in Asia & Oceania proves it) that only consists of ad hominems, so it will be closed and recycled from further on.

/ Moderator