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"But, what is the allure of the bad boy? Let’s start with the obvious. They’re hot, mysterious, spontaneous, and exciting. You never know what you’re going to get, in every facet of this relationship, so it makes it kind of intriguing. But, probably the most important element is that they’re non-committal. That’s right. They don’t really ever commit to you, therefore you’re always chasing after them. The challenge! As women, we’re kind of wired to think that we can change anyone, and bad boys are no exception." Michelle at Girlfriends Planet
Perhaps at the end of the day the allure comes down to a few positive traits (e.g., confidence, honest display of sexual intentions with no beating around the bush, creativity, non-neediness, a fun and exciting persona) and mating skills (e.g., cross-sex mind reading). Perhaps all the extra negative traits aren't really necessary to attract women above and beyond the essentials. Maybe lots of men (and women) can learn something from the bad boys, even without going as far as the bad boys in their approach, keeping their dignity and character intact but still gaining the same benefits (and potentially even more benefits, such as relationship success) without, well, being an asshole and hurting other people.
And I think individual differences play a role here. Alkon puts it well: "Bad boys appeal to three types of women: Thrill-seeker girls, girls who can't commit, and 'Near Zeros' -- girls who aren't operating on a full tank of self-esteem." I suspect that being an asshole isn't the only route to short-term mating success--sincerity and kindness no doubt would work for different sorts of women--probably most women. Max's successes with ladies mostly in Alkon's category three may give young men (fraternity boys) the skewed and inaccurate perception that acting like Tucker Max is the only way to get laid and all women secretly want such a man, particularly in a short-term mate.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful-minds/200910/do-assholes-really-finish-first?page=2
Even though a lot of bad boys have this dangerous appeal that draws women to them...I still think majority of women still want to date a nice guy who adores them. Some women are just masochists and they endure asshole behavior as much as they can and are convinced that 1. they couldn't find a replacement 2. they'd rather be in a bad relationship rather than be single 3. it's always been like this, in all the relationships they've been exposed to 4. they could change him. But if there's one thing I've learned...is that people don't change for others. They change for themselves!
I'm a man not a boy. Any dumb bitch, woman, who wants a boy instead of a man can have them since I'm better off without such immature twats. I'm 32 years old not 16.
I'm a man not a boy. Any dumb bitch, woman, who wants a boy instead of a man can have them since I'm better off without such immature twats. I'm 32 years old not 16.
Is there a particular reason why you had to defend yourself so strongly?
Is there a particular reason why you had to defend yourself so strongly?
No I was just being pedantic about the linguistic usage of boy instead of man. Logically a woman gets with a man and girl gets with a boy. Women on boys = pedophilia. . Women are myopic creatures who need male guidance.
"Bad boys" is just a term to describe males (men, boys, etc) who have traits of what you consider an asshole. It doesn't have to be literal "boys = girls" or "men = women".
"Bad boys" is just a term to describe males (men, boys, etc) who have traits of what you consider an asshole. It doesn't have to be literal "boys = girls" or "men = women".
Yes, it does. Because the word literal comes from 'letteral' and letters used in language have to be logical to have meaning. A boy is not a man and a man is not boy.
I still think majority of women still want to date a nice guy who adores them
Yeah, right, women only claim they like nice guys publicly because it is expected of them and they don't want people to know what their corrupted souls really crave. I know females well and they are ugly on the inside. Dumb wenches should only learn religion and housework and not be allowed in college : women should be cheerful and supportive companion for the man. Now get in the kitchen and cook me some grub ! LOL :evilgrin:
I'm a man not a boy. Any dumb bitch, woman, who wants a boy instead of a man can have them since I'm better off without such immature twats. I'm 32 years old not 16.
Translation: Women can't stand me because I'm just as awful in real life as I am on here. Oh, and I'm in my thirties.
And that other post was even more retarded, if that's even possible. I can't even begin to reply to it.
Sargon999
2010-08-22, 12:16
It's pretty much true this story. I tried this cocky attitude with a Serbian friend with benefits and she's still after me and now it's just too much lol.
Women love confident men who take the lead and thank God I am one of those men, but I'm naturally not an asshole :D
Translation: Women can't stand me because I'm just as awful in real life as I am on here. Oh, and I'm in my thirties.
Translation : Alfieb is too mentally retarded to understand 1+1 =2 and the word man does not equal 'boy'.
And that other post was even more retarded, if that's even possible. I can't even begin to reply to it.
Translation : you are not smart enough to reply to to that comment since you cannot even understand 1+1 =2 and that boy does not equal man.
Translation : Alfieb is too mentally retarded to understand 1+1 =2 and the word man does not equal 'boy'.
Translation : you are not smart enough to reply to to that comment since you cannot even understand 1+1 =2 and that boy does not equal man.
Intelligence is just a facade with you, as when you're destroyed in an argument your response is literally to just say "whatever", ignore the points, and simply go on with your silly drone-like bullshit.
Women aren't into boys. The term bad boy is applied to a man whose modus operandi is that he acts like a badass rebel-without-a-cause. It has nothing to do with age. For example, you are 32 years old and you act like a child, but I certainly wouldn't call you a bad boy. More along the lines of an annoying little bitch. Women don't like those much.
Women aren't into boys. The term bad boy is applied to a man whose modus operandi is that he acts like a badass rebel-without-a-cause. It has nothing to do with age.
What he said.
lol, boys, man - it is just human sex identification)) Who cares how it sounds. We are all still animals) But animals with complexes.
Females just wants strong human male who can care about children. Stupid females want what they see in TV.
Intelligence is just a facade with you, as when you're destroyed in an argument your response is literally to just say "whatever", ignore the points, and simply go on with your silly drone-like bullshit.
Unome and I are philosophers. See here :
https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=173801&postcount=35
You aren't even smart enough to be able to begin to understand that post. BTW, my favorite philoospher said all of philosophy is a critique of language and that is exactly what I'm doing.
Women aren't into boys. The term bad boy is applied to a man whose modus operandi is that he acts like a badass rebel-without-a-cause. It has nothing to do with age. For example, you are 32 years old and you act like a child, but I certainly wouldn't call you a bad boy. More along the lines of an annoying little bitch. Women don't like those much.
Women are slaves to men and like what we tell them to like because we are bigger , stronger and smarter. The day I change myself to try to attract women is the day I become less manly. Everytime a man does what women want instead of what he wants he becomes less manly. Therefore I am inherently more manly than you while you are the little bitch running around trying to change yourself for women. You have no problem with the usage of the word boy because you are too immature to be a real man. A woman likes what I tell her to like or I ditch her and get a new one. Vaginas are like city busses a new one comes along every 15 minutes. A vagina is just an overpriced hole.
Unome and I are philosophers. See here :
https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=173801&postcount=35
You aren't even smart enough to be able to begin to understand that. BTW, my favorite philospher said all of philosophy is a critique of language and that is exactly what I'm doing.
You've already revealed that your philosophy is to engage in ad hominems whenever possible, so I'm just going to ignore this.
Women are slaves to men and like what we tell them to like because we are bigger , stronger and smarter. The day I change myself to try to attract women is the day I become less manly.
You're not a man to begin with, so you should change yourself just for self improvement's sake. There's a reason you repulse women, you see.
Everytime a man does what women want instead of what he wants he becomes less manly.
You should care about the feelings of other people. If you only do what you want and are incapable of showing concern for others, doesn't that make you no different from a spoiled little child?
Therefore I am inherently more manly than you while you are the little bitch running around trying to change yourself for women. You have no problem with the usage of the word boy because you are too immature to be a real man. A woman likes what I tell her to like or I ditch her and get a new one.
Right. Just to further clarify and to provide a visual aid to stimulate the conversation...
This is what a Bad Boy looks like (http://www.okcupid.com/personality?type=DBSM&g=1&o=1)
And this is Angevin (http://www.okcupid.com/personality?type=RBLD&g=1&o=1)
You've already revealed that your philosophy is to engage in ad hominems whenever possible, so I'm just going to ignore this.
You won't read that just like you didn't read the book I linked to the other day. You are an illiterate ignoramus an ostrich who sticks his head in the sand e.g. the Jewish question. I can't pry open closed minds. You have a closed mind so I just fling ad homimens and ad personams at you because you aren't worth taking seriously and I despise you too much to give you logical propositions. I respected Unome in that thread enough to give him purely logical propositions. You get no respect from me, oh, dense one.
You're not a man to begin with, so you should change yourself just for self improvement's sake. There's a reason you repulse women, you see.
You don't know that I repulse women. You couldn't possibly know that about me unless you knew me in real life. You are overreaching and about to lose your balance and fall off the cliff of absurdity.
You should care about the feelings of other people. If you only do what you want and are incapable of showing concern for others, doesn't that make you no different from a spoiled little child?
I'm an INTP you should know we don't value feelings.
Right. Just to further clarify and to provide a visual aid to stimulate the conversation...
This is what a Bad Boy looks like (http://www.okcupid.com/personality?type=DBSM&g=1&o=1)
And this is Angevin (http://www.okcupid.com/personality?type=RBLD&g=1&o=1)
whatever
I'm an INTP you should know we don't value feelings.
Sure you do. That's why you're an introverted little girl. You're frightened that women will reject you, so you distance yourselves from them and say "Oh, they're just bitches. They're not worthy of such a brilliant and misunderstood man as I!"
If you really were all that you say you were, you wouldn't be an INTP at all. You'd be an ENTJ. You pretend to be macho, but you're a coward, and you pretend to sit on your high pedestal where you judge those beneath you, but that's all an act, too. Hence your classification.
whatever
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Intelligence is just a facade with you, as when you're destroyed in an argument your response is literally to just say "whatever", ignore the points, and simply go on with your silly drone-like bullshit.
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
Sure you do. That's why you're an introverted little girl. You're frightened that women will reject you, so you distance yourselves from them and say "Oh, they're just bitches. They're not worthy of such a brilliant and misunderstood man as I!"
I never said anything that can be construed as ""Oh, they're just bitches. They're not worthy of such a brilliant and misunderstood man as I!" you are just an illiterate shallow extrovert whose intuition leads you on wild interpretations or your reading comprehension is really just that bad. You take reading between the lines to new levels of absurdity.
If you really were all that you say you were, you wouldn't be an INTP at all. You'd be an ENTJ. You pretend to be macho, but you're a coward, and you pretend to sit on your high pedestal where you judge those beneath you, but that's all an act, too. Hence your classification.
You are like the only person on this forum that draws such venom from me. So I am not that high-handed with everyone on the forum. In case you don't have a clue I despise you and no one else on the forum : only you.
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Winner winner, chicken dinner.
Tit for tat. You ignored my link and I ignored yours. Your idiocy knows no depth. You claim victory over that ? Retarded.
Alright, I know a beaten man when I see one. He's lost his teeth and he's resorted to using "extrovert" as an insult now.
I wear your resentment and hatred as a badge of honor, as I find you and everything you stand for to be pathetic. Good day, sir.
Alright, I know a beaten man when I see one. He's lost his teeth and he's resorted to using "extrovert" as an insult now.
Alright I know a dense ostrich with his head in the sand when I see one. He has lost his vision in the hole because everything looks black and he is thusly so myopic that he can't understand he clearly made propositions in another thread (on Jungian topology) that lead one to assume his usage of 'introverted little girl' implied the whole term was an insult not just the 'girl' word. However, being a shallow extrovert he was too stupid to remember that thread.
I wear your resentment and hatred as a badge of honor, as I find you and everything you stand for to be pathetic. Good day, sir.
I suffer your barrage with great pride and dignity as I find you all bluff,blunder, and ignorance. I say good day to you chap.
Women are just stupid and naive when it comes to men.
Alright, I know a beaten man when I see one. He's lost his teeth and he's resorted to using "extrovert" as an insult now.
I wear your resentment and hatred as a badge of honor, as I find you and everything you stand for to be pathetic. Good day, sir.
Let me elaborate for you because If I don't clearly point things out to you then you become overconfident and claim victory because you are too stupid to understand my generalizations.
" I never said anything that can be construed as ""Oh, they're just bitches. They're not worthy of such a brilliant and misunderstood man as I!" you are just an illiterate shallow extrovert whose intuition leads you on wild interpretations or your... "
What I said, originally, is that you were too stupid to understand my philosophy post not any women in this thread in particular. I said you specifically but yeah women in general are dumber than men. However, you are the exception to the rule.
Alright I know a dense ostrich with his head in the sand when I see one. He has lost his vision in the hole because everything looks black and he is thusly so myopic that he can't understand he clearly made propositions in another thread (on Jungian topology) that lead one to assume his usage of 'introverted little girl' implied the whole term was an insult not just the 'girl' word. However, being a shallow extrovert he was too stupid to remember that thread.
I present exhibit as an example A :
https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=173358&postcount=33
You were too stupid to remember that post, for example, because you haven't even been here for 2 months and you already have over 1,000 posts to my 300 and something because you post quantity rather than quality. Your posts are pure crap. You also like claming victory despite defeat or you really are too stupid to know that you didn't win.
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Let me put this in terms even you can understand, little girl.
I said I was through with your sorry ass at around 8:00 (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=173864&postcount=18).
Around 8:30 (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/converse.php?u=218&u2=1345) you spam the shit out of my profile with visitor messages.
Around 9:00 (https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showpost.php?p=173892&postcount=21) you're still at it here arguing with a ghost.
So, for a full hour, you're sitting and stewing and pissed off about God knows what over stupid shit on the internet, while I'm off doing who cares what and not even thinking about you.
So, to sum it up, I've gotten to you, and you've lost it. There's no amount of nonsensical gibberish that you can string together that will change that.
Therefore, I implore you to please, leave my poor inbox alone. That is hallowed ground reserved for people who are actually worth my time.
By the way, a "real man" wouldn't have to resort to talking about other men's looks. I mean, what are you, some kind of homosexual? That would be a very good reason to be a shy little introverted fuck, I guess.
Ta.
I havent read through this bitchfit, so i may be rehassing old stuff.
Anyway what women want, and what women say they want are two complete different things. What women DONT want is a fucking pussy who gives them the world on a silver plater with just a little wink. Thats not something inherently female, its just part of the hunt/chase - instinct in humans world wide.
What women really want is a man to demonstrate a high social status (or potential for that) along with biologically desireable traits (healthy, high testosterone, attractive, intelligence). Aside from that they are also looking for good mate to raise their children (but this does not necessarily have to be the guy with the high social status/biological desireable traits, often its someone who gets suckered in, into raising her children). Its the last group (a good mate) that girls say they value, but in reality isnt that important.
If you want to be 'succesfull' biologically as a man, the least of your concern is being a good mate to raise children with. This is because among animals, certainly monkeys, which includes humans, its most important for women that their children have a chance to grow up safely and healthy. This can be done through: high social status of the male (food, protection etc.) and the biological status of the male (genetic effects). Girls look for a trade-off between this, while accounting for their own reproductive worth (health, estrogen/hips waist ration, attractiveness, and signs of fidelity).
What do bad-boys have what dipshits dont have? They show through certain characteristics high social value, but are horrible mates and assholes. Unfortunately, there is such a thing as the female psyche that also craves for drama and unhappiness along with the romantic idea of being able to change a man just for her (fed by shitty novels and movies alike). Mostly this is fed by either a unhappy childhood or just insecurity. Men please avoid those females at all cost, these girls are fucked up.
fortunately there are women who do look for real men, without the abuse, though they are not easy to find. So if you think you possess the right social qualities along with good genetic material and still respect women, keep your eyes on the road :)
Azvarohi
2010-08-22, 19:09
Bad boys, bad boys; what's you gonna do, what's you gonna do; when Ioke comes for you.
im a bad evil boy with sadistic intentions :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
Yes, it does. Because the word literal comes from 'letteral' and letters used in language have to be logical to have meaning. A boy is not a man and a man is not boy.
Yeah, right, women only claim they like nice guys publicly because it is expected of them and they don't want people to know what their corrupted souls really crave. I know females well and they are ugly on the inside. Dumb wenches should only learn religion and housework and not be allowed in college : women should be cheerful and supportive companion for the man. Now get in the kitchen and cook me some grub ! LOL :evilgrin:
Why don't you go back in time when Schopenhauer was alive?
Bad boys, bad boys; what's you gonna do, what's you gonna do; when Ioke comes for you.
When she comes for me, ill be wearing my sex panther.
http://doocci.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/sex-panther.jpg
60% of the time, it works every time
Yes, it does. Because the word literal comes from 'letteral' and letters used in language have to be logical to have meaning. A boy is not a man and a man is not boy.
It's logic Ioke used "boy" in this case because people use it that way.
JackKnightstick
2010-08-22, 19:28
I havent read through this bitchfit, so i may be rehassing old stuff.
Anyway what women want, and what women say they want are two complete different things. What women DONT want is a fucking pussy who gives them the world on a silver plater with just a little wink. Thats not something inherently female, its just part of the hunt/chase - instinct in humans world wide.
What women really want is a man to demonstrate a high social status (or potential for that) along with biologically desireable traits (healthy, high testosterone, attractive, intelligence). Aside from that they are also looking for good mate to raise their children (but this does not necessarily have to be the guy with the high social status/biological desireable traits, often its someone who gets suckered in, into raising her children). Its the last group (a good mate) that girls say they value, but in reality isnt that important.
If you want to be 'succesfull' biologically as a man, the least of your concern is being a good mate to raise children with. This is because among animals, certainly monkeys, which includes humans, its most important for women that their children have a chance to grow up safely and healthy. This can be done through: high social status of the male (food, protection etc.) and the biological status of the male (genetic effects). Girls look for a trade-off between this, while accounting for their own reproductive worth (health, estrogen/hips waist ration, attractiveness, and signs of fidelity).
What do bad-boys have what dipshits dont have? They show through certain characteristics high social value, but are horrible mates and assholes. Unfortunately, there is such a thing as the female psyche that also craves for drama and unhappiness along with the romantic idea of being able to change a man just for her (fed by shitty novels and movies alike). Mostly this is fed by either a unhappy childhood or just insecurity. Men please avoid those females at all cost, these girls are fucked up.
fortunately there are women who do look for real men, without the abuse, though they are not easy to find. So if you think you possess the right social qualities along with good genetic material and still respect women, keep your eyes on the road :)
100% agree with everything you said.
This is what "game" is about. It is about a man not naturally an asshole "bad boy" learning to act as one to attract the majority of women who will always fall for that nonsense.
It is about understanding the female psych.
Most women fall for "game" because they perceive it to be alpha/bad boy behavior.
I see this deception as no different then women wearing make up, getting hair weaves, breast implants, wearing push-up bras, etc.
In the end though these women tend to change (not all of them, but most of them) after they have been abused, has a kid by one of these assholes, etc.
Then when they are nearly dried up, stretched marks, fat, bitter, etc they go and get with the guy they ignored 10 years before because he was not "cool" but that guy works every fucking day, takes care of the kids, treats them BETTER THAN THEY DESERVE, etc.
But hey that is life, I don't make the rules of the world, I live in it...
When those sad ass used up bitches come to me with that crap after they let 2 or 3 real alphas run through them, I tell them actually what I think of them and keep walking...who the fuck wants that shit? I don't. Let some low beta who is hard up to get laid think he hit the jackpot because he got some chick who was alpha 10 years ago. LOL You can probably walk in and out of those woman's vaginas, camp out for a day, and not even get wet, and the entire time they will be bitching about their "ex-husband" who doesn't pay child support on time, and the fact you didn't take out the trash.
SCREW THAT.
Best thing an alpha can do is or even a high level beta can do is get a woman slightly less attractive than they would deal with, who will appreciate the hell out of them, drop the game, and treat them like a queen.
That girl will love you. She won't be bitter. She will not be "used up", etc.
So when you are ready to settle down follow my advice, you want happiness, if you are used to getting 7's on a scale of 1-10, look for the conservative chick who is a 5 or 6...who a sweet personality, who never chased after men like a dumb whore.
Tricks are for kids, have fun with the, then grow up and get a WOMAN who you want your daughters to act like. You don't want to produce children by these used up sluts, you will have daughters full of drama just like them, then you will never rest one day for the rest of your life...
(...)
What I said, originally, is that you were too stupid to understand my philosophy post not any women in this thread in particular. I said you specifically but yeah women in general are dumber than men. However, you are the exception to the rule.(...)
Now, you should really know...
Actually, all you have to know is that you're an idiot.
I'm a man not a boy. Any dumb bitch, woman, who wants a boy instead of a man can have them since I'm better off without such immature twats. I'm 32 years old not 16.
That exactly was what I was thinking before I even read the first response…
Most people I am around, in my town, are adult-children, not adults.
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By the way, there is a huge linguistic difference between "bad boy" and "bad man".
A bad "boy" will act like an attention-deprived douche bag, to garner attention.
A bad "man" will murder you in your home, but not after raping your loved-ones in front of you.
---------- Post added 2010-08-22 at 14:20 ----------
Skipping the long-argument,
Here is some knowledge regarding basic human sex-drives…
1) It begins in grade school.
In grade school, where 99.5% of humanity develops perhaps the largest portion of their Psychology, some little boys actually are very 'big' boys. They are the largest males on the playground. These are the males who all the little kids want to befriend, for the sake of (physical) protection. This also applies to 'big' girls, too. it is about physical size. Those who are bigger than others have an advantage. Because. How are fights and physical fights solved on the playground? Yes, that is right, by violence. And most often, the better fighter is the bigger one.
This is why females sexually are attracted to tall & large men, over short & small men.
2) Attitude.
Not only must a male be 'big' in order to be seen as (physically) dominant, but also, he must be "bad". He picks fights. Or perhaps he just beats all other males who challenge him. Again, this gives-off the "bad boy" attitude, the "I am going to kick your ass if you fuck with me" type.
Again, girls/women sexually are attracted to this (physically) imposing demeanor due to its intimidation towards (sexual) violence.
Since almost-all females want the protection granted by such (alpha) males, they take the most risks to seduce, control, and manipulate the "bad boys". They want Security. There is no great mystery to this fact, at least, not for Psychologists and Sociologists. Women naturally want males who can protect them (from physical violence). If a male cannot do this then he is a "good guy" who is a "friend", not a sexual interest.
As Historians, Anthropologists, and even Biologists have all told me… women are the "smaller and weaker" sex. And, women are horrible at anticipating and reacting to physically violence. They panick. This becomes evident in War, of which nobody can state the claim otherwise that women/females predominate wars ~ because they do not, at all. Men are the perpetrators and instigators of war. Just look at Human History.
Needing protection from violence (and war), females depend-on males…
The "bad boy" is often mistaken for a male who can do this best. That is not always true. And, as Angevin correctly pointed-out, a "boy" is not a "man". Males are raised to specialize in violence, one-way or another. This fact becomes proven by how males over-dominate violent video games. Women/females simply do not have the same (genetic) interest. And it is genetic.
Males biologically are wired-for Violence. It is in our blood, our "Y-DNA".
Anyway, these are just some points to consider with respect to "bad boys".
Often, as I personally see it… "bad boys" are males with mommy & daddy-issues, who feel the need to over-compensate due to serious lack of attention or discipline during their critical stage of psychological development.
A "good man", as I see men, are not out-spoken, but simply act when necessary. They use physical violence when there is no other recourse for action, as a last resort. They are non-imposing, and non-threatening otherwise. Why should they threaten/intimidate others?? The "good man" is secure within himself, not a "bad boy" acting-out for attention.
Again, the age-division is clear. "Boys" are immature males, not "men", who are matured males.
---------- Post added 2010-08-22 at 14:31 ----------
So when you are ready to settle down follow my advice, you want happiness, if you are used to getting 7's on a scale of 1-10, look for the conservative chick who is a 5 or 6...who a sweet personality, who never chased after men like a dumb whore.
Tricks are for kids, have fun with the, then grow up and get a WOMAN who you want your daughters to act like. You don't want to produce children by these used up sluts, you will have daughters full of drama just like them, then you will never rest one day for the rest of your life...
Well-said, this applies to me 100%. I am at that "settling-down" stage and plan to pursue an "average" or even "below-average" female just so I do not have to deal with much of the hassles and high-maintenance from other women…
To each their own! :thumbsup:
---------- Post added 2010-08-22 at 14:41 ----------
Oh yeah, I think Ioke is looking for the same thing all females are looking for in a mate…
Security, Protection, (social status as already-mentioned), or in other words: Power and Influence.
People respect each-other for 2 main reasons: Intimidation and/or Admiration.
The "bad boy" is an intimidating one, but, not one you can admire.
The "best man" is one who is both intimidating AND admirable.
My thoughts, anyway…
Badboy to me is someone who does not tolerate bullshit, speaks their mind, wont lie/beg for pussy, refuse to be a doormat etc
Game seems to boil down to playing on womens insecurities, negs/backhanded compliments etc...lots of hot women are very selfconcius
TBy the way, there is a huge linguistic difference between "bad boy" and "bad man".
A bad "boy" will act like an attention-deprived douche bag, to garner attention.
A bad "man" will murder you in your home, but not after raping your loved-ones in front of you.
:lol:
True story.
That exactly was what I was thinking before I even read the first response…
Most people I am around, in my town, are adult-children, not adults.
---------- Post added 2010-08-22 at 14:04 ----------
By the way, there is a huge linguistic difference between "bad boy" and "bad man".
A bad "boy" will act like an attention-deprived douche bag, to garner attention.
A bad "man" will murder you in your home, but not after raping your loved-ones in front of you.
---------- Post added 2010-08-22 at 14:20 ----------
Skipping the long-argument,
Here is some knowledge regarding basic human sex-drives…
1) It begins in grade school.
In grade school, where 99.5% of humanity develops perhaps the largest portion of their Psychology, some little boys actually are very 'big' boys. They are the largest males on the playground. These are the males who all the little kids want to befriend, for the sake of (physical) protection. This also applies to 'big' girls, too. it is about physical size. Those who are bigger than others have an advantage. Because. How are fights and physical fights solved on the playground? Yes, that is right, by violence. And most often, the better fighter is the bigger one.
This is why females sexually are attracted to tall & large men, over short & small men.
2) Attitude.
Not only must a male be 'big' in order to be seen as (physically) dominant, but also, he must be "bad". He picks fights. Or perhaps he just beats all other males who challenge him. Again, this gives-off the "bad boy" attitude, the "I am going to kick your ass if you fuck with me" type.
Again, girls/women sexually are attracted to this (physically) imposing demeanor due to its intimidation towards (sexual) violence.
Since almost-all females want the protection granted by such (alpha) males, they take the most risks to seduce, control, and manipulate the "bad boys". They want Security. There is no great mystery to this fact, at least, not for Psychologists and Sociologists. Women naturally want males who can protect them (from physical violence). If a male cannot do this then he is a "good guy" who is a "friend", not a sexual interest.
As Historians, Anthropologists, and even Biologists have all told me… women are the "smaller and weaker" sex. And, women are horrible at anticipating and reacting to physically violence. They panick. This becomes evident in War, of which nobody can state the claim otherwise that women/females predominate wars ~ because they do not, at all. Men are the perpetrators and instigators of war. Just look at Human History.
Needing protection from violence (and war), females depend-on males…
The "bad boy" is often mistaken for a male who can do this best. That is not always true. And, as Angevin correctly pointed-out, a "boy" is not a "man". Males are raised to specialize in violence, one-way or another. This fact becomes proven by how males over-dominate violent video games. Women/females simply do not have the same (genetic) interest. And it is genetic.
Males biologically are wired-for Violence. It is in our blood, our "Y-DNA".
Anyway, these are just some points to consider with respect to "bad boys".
Often, as I personally see it… "bad boys" are males with mommy & daddy-issues, who feel the need to over-compensate due to serious lack of attention or discipline during their critical stage of psychological development.
A "good man", as I see men, are not out-spoken, but simply act when necessary. They use physical violence when there is no other recourse for action, as a last resort. They are non-imposing, and non-threatening otherwise. Why should they threaten/intimidate others?? The "good man" is secure within himself, not a "bad boy" acting-out for attention.
Again, the age-division is clear. "Boys" are immature males, not "men", who are matured males.
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Well-said, this applies to me 100%. I am at that "settling-down" stage and plan to pursue an "average" or even "below-average" female just so I do not have to deal with much of the hassles and high-maintenance from other women…
To each their own! :thumbsup:
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Oh yeah, I think Ioke is looking for the same thing all females are looking for in a mate…
Security, Protection, (social status as already-mentioned), or in other words: Power and Influence.
People respect each-other for 2 main reasons: Intimidation and/or Admiration.
The "bad boy" is an intimidating one, but, not one you can admire.
The "best man" is one who is both intimidating AND admirable.
My thoughts, anyway…
A quality post as usual Unome unlike Alfieb who has such a high post count because he posts are of a low quality : it is impossible that he could have so many posts, in such a short time ,without them being of a low quality. I really can't stand that guy. I replied more rashly in this thread than I usually do because of lack of sleep and being hopped up on caffeine trying to compensate ( I stayed up all night long). I find what women are attracted to is anachronistic and that necessarily wouldn't be a problem, in and of itself , except they are less rational than men so they can't say "hey, look the modern state protects its citizens from violence therefore the protection of the neanderthal or immature bad boy is not necessary". For instance Schopenhauer said :
"The State is nothing more than an institution of protection, rendered necessary by the manifold attacks to which man is exposed, and which he is not able to ward off as an individual, but only in alliance with others. [This] protection [includes] the safeguarding of private right. But, as is usual in things human, the removal of one evil generally opens the way to a fresh one, [which requires] protection against the protection… This seems most completely attainable by dividing and separating from one another the threefold unity of protective power, the legislative, the judicative, and the executive, so that each is managed by others, and independently of the rest." -- Arthur Schopenhauer
So women are attracted to power, too, other than the brute physical, like to the president of the USA. That I can see as rational but the attraction to a 'bad boy' type is totally irrational. You are right that a mature real man is not a 'bad boy'. Anyman who acts like a bad boy at my age is in a state of arrested development. You understand my distinction between a boy a man is not simply linguistic.
The whole womens liberation movement is stupid. I agree with Schopenhauer that women should only be taught religion and housework (I'm not a religious person myself), at most, and they should be a cheerful and patient companion to men. Women don't know what is best for them but the paternalistic alliance of men does. Here is an abridged version of Schopenhauer's famous essay on women :
An abridged version of Arthur Schopenhauer's famous essay
On Women
Updated translation
The nature of the female
One needs only to see the way she is built to realize that woman is not intended for great mental or for great physical labor. She expiates the guilt of life not through activity but through suffering, through the pains of childbirth, caring for the child and subjection to the man, to whom she should be a patient and cheering companion. Great suffering, joy, exertion, is not for her: her life should flow by more quietly, trivially, gently than the man's without being essentially happier or unhappier.
Women are suited to being the nurses and teachers of our earliest childhood precisely because they themselves are childish, silly and short-sighted, in a word big children, their whole lives long: a kind of intermediate stage between the child and the man, who is the actual human being, ‘man.’ One has only to watch a girl playing with a child, dancing and singing with it the whole day, and then ask oneself what, with the best will in the world, a man could do in her place.
Natural weapons
In the girl nature has had in view what could in theatrical terms be called a stage-effect: it has provided her with superabundant beauty and charm for a few years at the expense of the whole remainder of her life, so that during these years she may so capture the imagination of a man that he is carried away into undertaking to support her honorably in some form or another for the rest of her life, a step he would seem hardly likely to take for purely rational considerations. Thus nature has equipped women, as it has all its creatures, with the tools and weapons she needs for securing her existence, and at just the time she needs them; in doing which nature has acted with its usual economy. For just as the female ant loses its wings after mating, since they are then superfluous, indeed harmful to the business of raising the family, so the woman usually loses her beauty after one or two childbeds, and probably for the same reason.
Female truth
The fundamental defect of the female character is a lack of a sense of justice. This originates first and foremost in their want of rationality and capacity for reflexion but it is strengthened by the fact that, as the weaker sex, they are driven to rely not on force but on cunning: hence their instinctive subtlety and their ineradicable tendency to tell lies: for, as nature has equipped the lion with claws and teeth, the elephant with tusks, the wild boar with fangs, the bull with horns and the cuttlefish with ink, so it has equipped woman with the power of dissimulation as her means of attack and defence, and has transformed into this gift all the strength it has bestowed on man in the form of physical strength and the power of reasoning. Dissimulation is thus inborn in her and consequently to be found in the stupid woman almost as often as in the clever one. To make use of it at every opportunity is as natural to her as it is for an animal to employ its means of defence whenever it is attacked, and when she does so she feels that to some extent she is only exercising her rights. A completely truthful woman who does not practice dissimulation is perhaps an impossibility, which is why women see through the dissimulation of others so easily it is inadvisable to attempt it with them. – But this fundamental defect which I have said they possess, together with all that is associated with it, gives rise to falsity, unfaithfulness, treachery, ingratitude, etc. Women are guilty of perjury far more often than men. It is questionable whether they ought to be allowed to take an oath at all.
Feminine charms
Only a male intellect clouded by the sexual drive could call the stunted, narrow-shouldered, broad-hipped and short-legged sex the fair sex: for it is with this drive that all its beauty is bound up. More fittingly than the fair sex, women could be called the unaesthetic sex. Neither for music, nor poetry, nor the plastic arts do they possess any real feeling or receptivity: if they affect to do so, it is merely mimicry in service of their effort to please. This comes from the fact that they are incapable of taking a purely objective interest in anything whatever, and the reason for this is, I think, as follows. Man strives in everything for a direct domination over things, either by comprehending or by subduing them. But woman is everywhere and always relegated to a merely indirect domination, which is achieved by means of man, who is consequently the only thing she has to dominate directly. Thus it lies in the nature of women to regard everything simply as a means of capturing a man, and their interest in anything else is only simulated, is no more than a detour, i.e. amounts to coquetry and mimicry.
Absence of genius
Nor can one expect anything else from women if one considers that the most eminent heads of the entire sex have proved incapable of a single truly great, genuine and original achievement in art, or indeed of creating anything at all of lasting value: this strikes one most forcibly in regard to painting, since they are just as capable of mastering its technique as we are, and indeed paint very busily, yet cannot point to a single great painting; the reason being precisely that they lack all objectivity of mind, which is what painting demands above all else. Isolated and partial exceptions do not alter the case: women, taken as a whole, are and remain thorough and incurable philistines: so that, with the extremely absurd arrangement by which they share the rank and title of their husband, they are a continual spur to his ignoble ambitions. They are sexus sequior, the inferior second sex in every respect: one should be indulgent toward their weaknesses, but to pay them honour is ridiculous beyond measure and demeans us even in their eyes.
Insipid women-veneration
This is how the peoples of antiquity and of the Orient have regarded women; they have recognized what is the proper position for women far better than we have, we with our Old French gallantry and insipid women-veneration, that highest flower of Christian-Germanic stupidity which has served only to make women so rude and arrogant that one is sometimes reminded of the sacred apes of Benares which, conscious of their own sanctity and inviolability, thought themselves at liberty to do whatever they pleased.
Monogamy and 'filles de joie'
In our monogamous part of the world, to marry means to halve one's rights and double one's duties. But when the law conceded women equal rights with men it should at the same time have endowed them with masculine reasoning powers. What is actually the case is that the more those rights and privileges the law accords to women exceed those which are natural to them, the more it reduces the number of women who actually participate in these benefits; and then the remainder are deprived of their natural rights by just the amount these few receive in excess of theirs: for, because of the unnaturally privileged position enjoyed by women as a consequence of monogamy and the marriage laws accompanying it, which regard women as entirely equal to men (which they are in no respect), prudent and cautious men very often hesitate before making so great a sacrifice as is involved in entering into so inequitable a contract; so that while among polygamous peoples every woman gets taken care of, among the monogamous the number of married women is limited and there remains over a quantity of unsupported women who, in the upper classes, vegetate on as useless old maids, and in the lower are obligated to undertake laborious work they are constitutionally unfitted for or become filles de joie, whose lives are as devoid of joie as they are of honour but who, given the prevailing circumstances, are necessary for the gratification of the male sex and therefore come to constitute a recognized class, with the specific task of preserving the virtue of those women more favoured by fate who have found a man to support them or may reasonably hope to find one. There are 80,000 prostitutes in London alone: and what are they if not sacrifices on the altar of monogamy? These poor women are the inevitable counterpart and natural complement to the European lady, with all her arrogance and pretension. For the female sex viewed as a whole polygamy is therefore a real benefit; on the other hand there appears no rational ground why a man whose wife suffers from a chronic illness, or has remained unfruitful, or has gradually grown too old for him, should not take a second.
No argument about polygamy
There can be no argument about polygamy: it is a fact to be met with everywhere and the only question is how to regulate it. For who is really a monogamist? We all live in polygamy, at least for a time and usually for good. Since every man needs many women, there could be nothing more just than that he should be free, indeed obliged, to support many women. This would also mean the restoration of woman to her rightful and natural position, the subordinate one, and the abolition from the world of the lady, with her ridiculous claims to respect and veneration; there would then be only women, and no longer unhappy women, of which Europe is at present full.
Property and inheritance
In India, no woman is ever independent, but in accordance with the law of Manu, she stands under the control of her father, her husband, her brother or her son. It is, to be sure, a revolting thing that a widow should immolate herself upon her husband's funeral pyre; but it is also revolting that she should spend her husband's money with her paramours – the money for which he toiled his whole life long, in the consoling belief that he was providing for his children. Happy are those who have kept the middle course – medium tenuere beati.
In almost all nations, whether of the ancient or the modern world, even amongst the Hottentots, property is inherited by the male descendants alone; it is only in Europe that a departure has taken place; but not amongst the nobility, however.
That the property which has cost men long years of toil and effort, and been won with so much difficulty, should afterwards come into the hands of women, who then, in their lack of reason, squander it in a short time, or otherwise fool it away, is a grievance and a wrong as serious as it is common, which should be prevented by limiting the right of women to inherit. In my opinion, the best arrangement would be that by which women, whether widows or daughters, should never receive anything beyond the interest for life on property secured by mortgage, and in no case the property itself, or the capital, except when there cease to be male descendants. The people who make money are men, not women; and it follows from this that women are neither justified in having unconditional possession of it, nor fit persons to be entrusted with its administration. When wealth, in any true sense of the word, that is to say, funds, houses or land, is to go to them as an inheritance they should never be allowed the free disposition of it. In their case a guardian should always be appointed; and hence they should never be given the free control of their own children, wherever it can be avoided.
Oh yeah, I think Ioke is looking for the same thing all females are looking for in a mate…
Security, Protection, (social status as already-mentioned), or in other words: Power and Influence.
Okay before you decide for yourself what Ioke is "looking for", why won't you ask the person herself? This isn't a thread about me wanting a bad boy. This isn't about ME.
1. I don't need security. I can take care of myself...I have my own career, and I probably would make more money than any partner I would have outside the medical profession.
2. I don't need protection. I've been trained in some form of martial arts for personal protection and I don't need a man just to protect me.
3. I don't need power or influence. My family is very esteemed in my community as well as those affiliated with us and we didn't have to be at celebrity status just to achieve that.
Bottom line...I'm not looking for a partner to be my sugar-daddy or to feel secure about myself. Some women may need that and their prime motivation to find a partner but for me, that's not the case.
I don't need a man to complete me. I already am.
Why don't you go back in time when Schopenhauer was alive?
(...)
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I really can't beilive you actually think so, Angevin.
2. I don't need protection. I've been trained in some form of martial arts for personal protection and I don't need a man just to protect me.
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Just a frindly advice on this point. Do not put to much faith in any martial arts/selfdefence training. If a normally fit man wants you dead/injured you wont stand a chanse no matter how much karate or whatever you have practiced.
The best selfdefence for women has allways been...
1. A man.
2. Good running legs.
3. A loud shrill voice that can be heard for miles.
4. Common sence as to her own abilities and where not to go etc etc.
5. A gun
Pallantides
2010-08-23, 01:48
Ioke you said I looked like a movie villain, does that make me a "bad boy"?:p
Okay before you decide for yourself what Ioke is "looking for", why won't you ask the person herself? This isn't a thread about me wanting a bad boy. This isn't about ME.
1. I don't need security. I can take care of myself...I have my own career, and I probably would make more money than any partner I would have outside the medical profession.
2. I don't need protection. I've been trained in some form of martial arts for personal protection and I don't need a man just to protect me.
3. I don't need power or influence. My family is very esteemed in my community as well as those affiliated with us and we didn't have to be at celebrity status just to achieve that.
Bottom line...I'm not looking for a partner to be my sugar-daddy or to feel secure about myself. Some women may need that and their prime motivation to find a partner but for me, that's not the case.
I don't need a man to complete me. I already am.
I would disagree that having power and influence is being a complete person...And that everyone looks for it...
JackKnightstick
2010-08-23, 02:44
Okay before you decide for yourself what Ioke is "looking for", why won't you ask the person herself? This isn't a thread about me wanting a bad boy. This isn't about ME.
1. I don't need security. I can take care of myself...I have my own career, and I probably would make more money than any partner I would have outside the medical profession.
2. I don't need protection. I've been trained in some form of martial arts for personal protection and I don't need a man just to protect me.
3. I don't need power or influence. My family is very esteemed in my community as well as those affiliated with us and we didn't have to be at celebrity status just to achieve that.
Bottom line...I'm not looking for a partner to be my sugar-daddy or to feel secure about myself. Some women may need that and their prime motivation to find a partner but for me, that's not the case.
I don't need a man to complete me. I already am.
It's not an issue of a man "completing you", some folks don't get it (not speaking about you, but some commenting) it is an issue of wanting "a man".:) As opposed to a bitch in male clothing. Some of the things you described might not be important, but the men who men who have these traits have the qualities that got them, usually, so that makes them attractive.
For example, you might live in NY City and date investment bankers.
You might have your own money, you don't care about their money. What you do like is they are aggressive risk takers, who don't put up with a lot of shit. Maybe you don't want the uneducated street thug or the fireman (who also has the same attitude) but in your world at your level these men display the same "manly" traits, but channel it in a different way.
Someone from the outside looking in just says..."oh she likes wealthy guys"...no not really, there are different types of wealthy men.
Don Keebals
2010-08-23, 03:24
You won't read that just like you didn't read the book I linked to the other day. You are an illiterate ignoramus an ostrich who sticks his head in the sand e.g. the Jewish question. I can't pry open closed minds. You have a closed mind so I just fling ad homimens and ad personams at you because you aren't worth taking seriously and I despise you too much to give you logical propositions. I respected Unome in that thread enough to give him purely logical propositions. You get no respect from me, oh, dense one.
do you by chance talk with the famous leprechaun accent?
are you for sell?
Okay before you decide for yourself what Ioke is "looking for", why won't you ask the person herself? This isn't a thread about me wanting a bad boy. This isn't about ME.
If you are not "into bad boys" then you need to explain why "some" women are into bad boys and all the rest are not. The first response I read was Angevin. And I think he has merit stating what he did ~ your thread is how "some women" want "bad boys", not men. There is an age & maturity difference. You are speaking of how women want boys, not men.
I think this because it is a commonplace occurrence. I mean, this is not the first time I have heard the thesis why a girl likes a "bad boy" or why a boy likes a "bad girl". There is a lapse in reasoning when it comes to adult divisions. And I think this deserves a lot of merit & attention.
If you had made a thread about why women want "bad men" then it would have been nonsense. And, if you had made a thread about why women want a "real man" then the topic would not be what it is. It would be about which characteristics make a man "real". Why women want "boys" is pædophilic, and, similar to the "lapse-of-judgment" why (pædophilic) men want "girls" (who appear as teenagers). In fact, this appears quite-common on ABF in how us males judge 'beauty' according to standards. Female and male models both appear pædophilic, much younger than they maybe, as-if they were stuck inside a state of immaturity… kind of makes me wonder…
1. I don't need security. I can take care of myself...I have my own career, and I probably would make more money than any partner I would have outside the medical profession.
2. I don't need protection. I've been trained in some form of martial arts for personal protection and I don't need a man just to protect me.
Security and protection are the same trait.
And you maybe trained in "self defense", but how about the art of warfare? Speaking for myself, as a male, and a 'man', I have a copy of Sun-Tzu on my bookshelf, one of the few I actually took the time to read. Why did I do this? Why did I read that and not the other 100 books on the shelf still unread after years of collecting dust? Could it be my physiology/biology, as a male, automated an interest in such a thing (as physical violence)? Wait, were not the Philippines struggling with colonization and World War II? So you mean to tell me that you, through your country, are immune to Warfare?? And that you do not "NEED" males to protect you(r country) from war???
See where I am going with that? Tell me, how does your family feel about the Japanese and their "treatment" of the Philippines during WWII??
Krutz made a good point. If a male wanted to harm you then he probably could without much trouble (at first). At second, he would get caught by the police and imprisoned, or worse, revenge-killed by your brother who defends "your honor". This (fact) is why you do not hang-out in poor/ghetto parts of your town, at 3 or 4AM in the morning, with strange men you do not know, while drunk & wasted on drugs. If you did then you surely would get your ass raped, no question about it. But you do not because you know the risks and the 'reality' of the situation for yourself, as a woman, and as a female.
In fact, I made that point:
As Historians, Anthropologists, and even Biologists have all told me… women are the "smaller and weaker" sex. And, women are horrible at anticipating and reacting to physically violence. They panick. This becomes evident in War, of which nobody can state the claim otherwise that women/females predominate wars ~ because they do not, at all. Men are the perpetrators and instigators of war. Just look at Human History.
Needing protection from violence (and war), females depend-on males…
Consider how many times you go places (that are not safe) in your town/city/country. There ARE unsafe places for you to go, locations & times. I presume you have quite a large selection of male "friends", Ioke, as most women of your appearance do. This is because they are your "good guy" suitors. They will wait on you, hand & foot, playing a "protective role" and adorn you for every chance to protect you from "evil". In fact, this is what would drive you to seek-out the "bad boy" of your thread. Your biology is attracted to the "mystery", "drama", and "excitement".
The male "friends" who are your entourage would then have a chance to prove themselves as the "bad boy(s)" asserts himself onto you, often very imposing. He makes no hint about the fact ~ he wants you, right here & now. Then, the "good guys" finally have their chance to defend you (from him). And fights break out.
Go to any bar. This happens ALL the time. It is "human nature". It is the same theme played-out no matter where you live, because, male & female cohabitation mostly is universal and follows the same rules. The "good guy" friends, who you secretly want to get-away from… keep bothering you, phoning you, following you around (wanting to "prove" themselves to you). The one that attracts you, however, is the "bad boy".
3. I don't need power or influence. My family is very esteemed in my community as well as those affiliated with us and we didn't have to be at celebrity status just to achieve that.
Bottom line...I'm not looking for a partner to be my sugar-daddy or to feel secure about myself. Some women may need that and their prime motivation to find a partner but for me, that's not the case.
Finish your thought ~ you don't need power or influence because "your family" offers it to you, and I will go not-so-far-out on a limb to guess, your father is the one who "protects and secures" you. A male. If not then yet-another male does… a brother, an uncle, a family-friend, or hell, even the "State" of your Government (including the Police).
Freud comes to mind here, where he stated something similar to this, or this can become derived from his psychological philosophies: Every woman/female is looking for a "replacement father", why?, because a daughter cannot have sex with her father. And it really, really is that simple. I know it is…
I don't need a man to complete me. I already am.
Who brought that up?? I didn't… :unsure:
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it is an issue of wanting "a man". :) As opposed to a bitch in male clothing.
:thumbsup:
Wow, this has gotten just slightly out of hand. If a guy had created this thread, I don't think it would have transpired in the same fashion.
With the exception for me kicking Angie's ass. That's inevitable. :p
Okay before you decide for yourself what Ioke is "looking for", why won't you ask the person herself? This isn't a thread about me wanting a bad boy. This isn't about ME.
You are right it is not about you. I think I'm the only guy here who doesn't want you but that is because I'm racist. I don't care what women want because I know French women will be dropping their panties for me when I join the French Foreign Legions and French chicks are hot.
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Wow, this has gotten just slightly out of hand. If a guy had created this thread, I don't think it would have transpired in the same fashion.
With the exception for me kicking Angie's ass. That's inevitable. :p
Another low quality post. High volume low quality that is what alfieb is all about.
Except that I'm 6'0" and not overweight.
But back on topic, the problem with bad boys is that the ones that don't eventually grow up become, well, him.
Finish your thought ~ you don't need power or influence because "your family" offers it to you, and I will go not-so-far-out on a limb to guess, your father is the one who "protects and secures" you. A male. If not then yet-another male does… a brother, an uncle, a family-friend, or hell, even the "State" of your Government (including the Police).
Freud comes to mind here, where he stated something similar to this, or this can become derived from his psychological philosophies: Every woman/female is looking for a "replacement father", why?, because a daughter cannot have sex with her father. And it really, really is that simple. I know it is…
Who brought that up?? I didn't… :unsure:
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:thumbsup:
First of all, my father has been dead for about 10 years and he hasn't very much contributed to my family's status. My mom has been a strong woman and a great doctor and has sent 3 kids to school, 2 of which has finished med school and are now doctors as well. We needed somebody to take care of us but it doesn't have to be a man. In this day and age, a woman can survive without a man. BUT, needing somebody and wanting somebody are two different things. Do NOT confuse the two.
And even if it's true that I got my family for power and influence...I have to earn respect on my own. That for me is even better than the first two mentioned because I have earned it and not merely inherited it.
I don't buy that Freudian Electra complex that a girl is in love with her father, etc. I have been attracted to guys who respect women and not because they remind me of my father.
First of all, my father has been dead for about 10 years and he hasn't very much contributed to my family's status. My mom has been a strong woman and a great doctor and has sent 3 kids to school, 2 of which has finished med school and are now doctors as well. We needed somebody to take care of us but it doesn't have to be a man. In this day and age, a woman can survive without a man. BUT, needing somebody and wanting somebody are two different things. Do NOT confuse the two.
And even if it's true that I got my family for power and influence...I have to earn respect on my own. That for me is even better than the first two mentioned because I have earned it and not merely inherited it.
I don't buy that Freudian Electra complex that a girl is in love with her father, etc. I have been attracted to guys who respect women and not because they remind me of my father.
At least, with respect to my point, mind to tell me about your feeling on Japanese occupation of the Philippines?
Then I will be "out of your hair" so-to-speak…
Except that I'm 6'0" and not overweight.
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Whatever I'm a mercenary commando ready to join the French Foreign Legions legions who could easily kick your ass and kill you even. I suppose it is just a coincidence you claim to be the same height as me too ? You still have the nose of a pig. Let me put it to you this way : If both of us were to show up to the French Foreign Legions in France I would pass the physical test, no problem, and you would probably fail it in all likelihood. You are out of shape like most Americans.
Utterly fascinating.
Feel free to move to France. New York hasn't had much good news to speak of lately.
Saif ad-Dhib
2010-08-23, 10:16
Hey guys, I kissed a girl and had an awesome date while you guys were arguing here.
Well, I've been at work for the past page, so...
I made $20 during the period I was arguing with that simian. Yay for both of us.
All women say they want to be with nice guys, but in the end they all go for the "bad guys", at least the wanted girls.
So, if you want to be with a girls or women just be an asshole, it has worked for me... actually being an asshole comes natural for me.
Bittereinder
2010-08-23, 13:44
All women say they want to be with nice guys, but in the end they all go for the "bad guys", at least the wanted girls.
So, if you want to be with a girls or women just be an asshole, it has worked for me... actually being an asshole comes natural for me.
It's not really about being 'bad', it's more about being confident and manly in general. That just happens to correlate with being a total asshole.
By the way, what is it with this forum and its obsession with having/not having a life? In every other thread you have people either talking about how everyone here is a pathetic loser or summing up the activities they have, ah, engaged in in order to set themselves apart from said losers. Alright, we get it, no need to prove yourself over and over.
Edit: Almost forgot to mention Balder's totally unprovoked PM where he bragged about his 104 IQ (I swear) and painstakingly explained how he regularly dates 'hot Nordic girls'. And I don't even know the guy. Jesus. I don't give a shit.
All women say they want to be with nice guys, but in the end they all go for the "bad guys", at least the wanted girls.
So, if you want to be with a girls or women just be an asshole, it has worked for me... actually being an asshole comes natural for me.
Count me out. I did the bad boy thing. Now I'm struggling to be a semi-mature adult.
All women say they want to be with nice guys, but in the end they all go for the "bad guys", at least the wanted girls.
So, if you want to be with a girls or women just be an asshole, it has worked for me... actually being an asshole comes natural for me.
I tend to agree with this up to a point, many younger women tend to go for the badboys but the older ones around 30 or so with that infamous clock ticking tend to want something else. Atleast thats my experience. Not counting cougars just looking for some lambchops ofcourse ;)
It's not really about being 'bad', it's more about being confident and manly in general. That just happens to correlate with being a total asshole.
By the way, what is it with this forum and its obsession with having/not having a life? In every other thread you have people either talking about how everyone here is a pathetic loser or summing up the activities they have, ah, engaged in in order to set themselves apart from said losers. Alright, we get it, no need to prove yourself over and over.
Edit: Almost forgot to mention Balder's totally unprovoked PM where he bragged about his 104 IQ (I swear) and painstakingly explained how he regularly dates 'hot Nordic girls'. And I don't even know the guy. Jesus. I don't give a shit.
First of all...a big :lol: at bragging about 104 IQ(lets just forget iq tests are kinda worthless). However i think you are somewhat off(or the chicks ive been with have been complete fruitcakes), but i have been downright nasty and mean to many chicks i had no interest in and for some weird ass reason that seemed to egg them on.
JackKnightstick
2010-08-23, 15:10
Here is an example of a "bad boy" he can kick game to a woman in a whore house and then flip and just curse someone without even thinking. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOyjmppAMI4&feature=related
Love it
A real man can handle adversity too, in front of a woman, play it off quick..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXXeIRRwGYY&feature=related
:lol: Michael Jai White
Should stick to playing Spawn and leave the blaxpoitation to guys like Fred "Boss Nigger" Williamson.
Here is an example of a "bad boy" he can kick game to a woman in a whore house and then flip and just curse someone without even thinking. :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOyjmppAMI4&feature=related
Love it
A real man can handle adversity too, in front of a woman, play it off quick..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXXeIRRwGYY&feature=related
Hahaha best lulz of the day :lol:
Being a nice guy does not work. You do not need to be a jerk but you can’t be “nice”. By not being a “nice guy” women actually love you for it, especially the better looking ladies. If you disagree with me - ask any lady who is frequently approached by guys. They will tell you how boring and easy they are. They hate onpenly nice guys. A nice guy is not challenging, too predictable, and is boring. I can imagine the women reading this nodding their heads in complete agreement. :D
A guy who is termed “nice” attempts to buy a woman’s attraction. He purchases gifts and dinners in an effort to make her like him. Most women are very happy to receive these gifts but only as means of receiving what they want. They see the guy who buys affection as a provider and not someone they are physically attracted to.
A woman’s attraction cannot be brought. That's all!
Men don't like doormats either, except as wives.
Edit: Almost forgot to mention Balder's totally unprovoked PM where he bragged about his 104 IQ (I swear) and painstakingly explained how he regularly dates 'hot Nordic girls'. And I don't even know the guy. Jesus. I don't give a shit.
It seems that you give a shit. ;)
Women are just stupid and naive when it comes to men.
You sure about that? I've seen more guys make idiots of themselves over women than vice versa.
You sure about that? I've seen more guys make idiots of themselves over women than vice versa.
Some women(mostley younger) are however extremley naive about men/guys, ie they havnt yet figured out that what most guys are after is located between their legs, and thus believe all kinda off crap guys pull on em(i love you etc etc).
All women say they want to be with nice guys, but in the end they all go for the "bad guys", at least the wanted girls.
So, if you want to be with a girls or women just be an asshole, it has worked for me... actually being an asshole comes natural for me.
Like I and some already stated before being an asshole has some of the same characteristics as high social status men. However remind yourself that you dont want to be with girls who are attracted to guys who treat them like shit. Just as decent good guys (but not pussies) dont need to change for girls who like to be treated like shit (she is simply not worth your time, nor worth your love and attention, some day she will see it, then its too late).
Ill note down some personal experience on this later.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 17:30
"But, what is the allure of the bad boy? Let’s start with the obvious. They’re hot, mysterious, spontaneous, and exciting. You never know what you’re going to get, in every facet of this relationship, so it makes it kind of intriguing. But, probably the most important element is that they’re non-committal. That’s right. They don’t really ever commit to you, therefore you’re always chasing after them. The challenge! As women, we’re kind of wired to think that we can change anyone, and bad boys are no exception." Michelle at Girlfriends Planet
Even though a lot of bad boys have this dangerous appeal that draws women to them...I still think majority of women still want to date a nice guy who adores them. Some women are just masochists and they endure asshole behavior as much as they can and are convinced that 1. they couldn't find a replacement 2. they'd rather be in a bad relationship rather than be single 3. it's always been like this, in all the relationships they've been exposed to 4. they could change him. But if there's one thing I've learned...is that people don't change for others. They change for themselves!
Humm.. well said I guess..
But what is your concept of what a "bad boy" really is??
:p
This was posted on another forum:
http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/34676-why-are-women-attracted-to-bad-boys/
Why Are Women Attracted To Violent Criminals And Psychopaths?
Professor Pinker, our celebrated author of the Blank Slate, replied to my question, via personal communication, with the following:
I’m not an expert in the phenomena, but here are some relevant considerations. From an evolutionary perspective, female mate choice should be affected both by a desire for good genes (where “good” means “likely to reproduce”) as well as paternal investment in the woman’s children. These need not coincide; hence some women have affairs with the strongest, smartest, best-looking man available, while being married to the nicest and most reliable man available. There is some evidence that women are more attracted to hypermasculine men when they are ovulating (when good genes are paramount) and to nice guys when they are not. There is also evidence that less desirable women are less choosy in terms of the willingness and ability of a man to provide for her and her children, and hence at least in relative terms more attracted to dashing qualities than to stable ones. Note too that the most desirable man of all, in many woman’s eyes, is “tough-tender” – nice to her, aggressive with everyone else.
Toughness can be attractive for several reasons. One is that it can reflect overall genetic quality – health, smarts, strength (this would be especially true in ancestral contexts where the land and money and power went to the best warriror, not to the smartest lawyer). Another is that it can protect the woman and her children against rapists, abductors, and so on. Probably most relevant is that he promises to give her tough sons. A woman’s son has to compete against other women’s sons, and if he is beaten up or publicly humiliated or cuckolded or killed, he will have less of a chance to reproduce. Of course all these have to be traded off against how good he is to her and her kids, but as mentioned, I predict that most women would prefer tough-to-others-nice-to-her than tough-to-everyone, though some may have to settle for the latter as a second choice.
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Here's another one from one of my favorite sites:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/atomic_dog_bad_boys_bad_boys_whatcha_gonna_do
Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna Do?
by TC
There's no use being coy about it, I'm a bad boy.
I sometimes go swimming right after a big lunch. I mean, I don't even care if the ladies in my book club get all freaked out. It's called thrill seeking, baby. Danger with a capital D.
And during summer evenings, despite all the dirty looks, I cruise back and forth in front of the Piggly Wiggly with the windows of my Prius rolled down and the radio blasting out some 'Low. (In case you're some buttoned up accountant or something, 'Low is how some of us bad boys refer to our muse, Barry Manilow.)
Screw your rules, society, I don't play by 'em!
And if I get a catsup stain on my Izod sweater? I don't even try to remove it with some soda water. I just leave it there because it shows my disdain for the world.
And sometimes, when I add "Kiwi Juice" to my mom's grocery list, I don't even dot the i's with a happy face or a heart! Heck, half the time I don't even dot them with anything! Face it lady, you done raised a bad seed!
Why am I such a bad boy? Well, cuz babes dig it. They dig it and they dig me.
Yep, it's been my personal experience that bad boys get the most girls and in case there was any doubt, there are now two studies that seem to confirm it.
Apparently, there's a nasty triad of personality traits that some individuals possess that allows them to do lots of off-shore and on-shore drilling of our fleshy natural resources. These three personality traits are referred to as the "dark triad."
The traits are, according to New Scientist, "the self-obsession of narcissism; the impulsive thrill-seeking and callous behavior of psychopaths; and the deceitful and exploitative nature of Machiavellianism."
Generally speaking, people with heavy doses of these personality traits run a pretty big risk of being shunned by society, thus leaving them without mates or any types of relationships. This would potentially leave them hungry and vulnerable to predators, in addition to having no one to go antiquing with on Sundays.
However, being just slightly twisted can pay big sexual dividends.
Peter Jonason at New Mexico State University conducted personality tests on 200 college students so he could rank them for their dark triad traits. They were also asked about their sex lives, including how many partners they'd had or whether they were seeking brief tempestuous affairs.
Those that scored higher on dark triad personality traits tended to have more sexual partners and less desire for anything long-term.
As you might guess, the correlation only held in male students.
According to Jonason, James Bond epitomizes this set of traits. "He's clearly disagreeable, very extroverted and likes trying new things — killing people, new women." Just as Bond boinks woman after woman, people with the dark triad traits seem to make the shotgun approach to mating work for them.
Jonason makes the assumption that evolutionarily speaking, this whoring around style of reproduction works, even if the bad boys don't stick around for parenting. The very fact that these bad boys still exist seems to confirm that it's a successful trait.
Another study based on a survey of 35,000 people from 57 countries echoed Jonason's findings. David Schmitt of Bradley University in Peoria, Illinois, concluded, "It is universal across cultures for high dark triad scorers to be more active in short-term mating. They are more likely to try and poach other people's partners for a brief affair."
While these studies might help explain the mating habits of some males, they don't really explain why women are vulnerable to them. Even though women didn't seem to score high on the dark triad tests, why is it they're often attracted to bad boys?
How do we explain the allure of seriously-bad bad boys like Ted Bundy or Josef Fritzl? In case you don't collect serial killer bubblegum cards, Ted Bundy was a notorious serial killer from the 70's who killed — depending on which police investigator you talk to — anywhere from 29 to 100 women.
Fritzl, while he apparently didn't kill anybody, kept his daughter captive in his basement for 24 years, during which time he fathered seven children by her, two of which had never seen sunlight or, ipso facto, gone to a Hannah Montana concert.
Amazingly both Bundy and Fritzl received numerous proposals of marriage after they were arrested! Some of Bundy's female suitors even sat in the courtroom, their moist, adoring eyes glued to him even as the prosecutors described his grizzly murders.
"Oh Ted! Why would you want to bludgeon, strangle, and have sex with the corpses of other women when you can have me?"
What makes these men — ultimate bad boys — attractive to women? After all, according to the studies, women themselves don't seem to rank very high on the dark triad personality traits.
Could it be the allure of Testosterone? Could the dark triad personality traits actually be tied into high levels of Testosterone? Maybe Testosterone is the ultimate aphrodisiac, causing otherwise sensible women to tattoo a bulls eye around their pudendum and then drop panties and bend over when these dark triad men walk by.
All that's missing is a carny barker pointing his stick at the hoo-hah and shouting, "Put the penis in the hole! Three tries for a sawbuck! How about you, Sport? Feeling lucky today?"
Don't get me wrong, I worship at the altar of Testosterone. I like it high-grade and unfiltered. I believe it's the inspiration for much goodness and greatness, but like all great powers, it has its dark side.
It seems clear that if you take high levels of Testosterone and mix them with just the right amounts of dark triad personality traits, you sour the mix. Let's take a look at a couple of steroid users, a group that easily constitutes the segment of society with the highest amount of Testosterone, or at least the highest amount of synthetic analogs of Testosterone.
Before I tell you about Brat, I have to shed some light on his name. We call him Brat — not Brat as in beat the brat with a baseball bat — but Brawt because he looks like the Brats you can get at the ballpark in Milwaukee, the kind they serve with onions and hot mustard.
In other words, Brat looks like he's stuffed with meat. He's hugely steroidal and his skin, aside from being paper thin, is perpetually tanned. He's a big sausage.
While we call him Brat to his face, I think "Mr. Hanky" is more appropriate. Like his South Park character namesake, this Mr. Hanky looks like he was created from eating hundreds of boxes of Colon Blow cereal, but unlike his namesake, this Mr. Hanky ate bowls filled to the brim with ego and narcissism and downright sociopathic tendencies.
Yep, based partly on appearance and partly on how high he scores on the dark triad personality traits, Brat is one Herculean turd of a human being; the worst kind of bad boy.
A couple of months ago, I saw Brat sitting in-between two Ÿberbabes at a local bar. As I glanced over, I could plainly see that Brat had burrowed the first two digits of his right hand underneath the micro dress of one the girls.
And then I noticed he had the same two digits of his left hand buried in-between the other girl's legs.
Both of the girls were sitting there with silly clit-rubbing smiles on their faces. Whether or not either knew that Brat was searching for his car keys in the other girl's snatch, too, was unclear.
Now understand this: these girls were smoking hot; Brat is not. What could they possibly have seen in Brat?
Or consider the case of bad boy David Jacobs. Here's a picture of him from 2003:
Some time soon after this picture was taken, Jacobs began importing raw ingredients from China that he used to manufacture anabolic steroids in his kitchen. He began selling his products to athletes around the country, including some NFL players.
Jacobs also started sampling his wares. Maybe he was like a chef who had to taste the bouillabaisse before serving it to patrons. Regardless, his body started to transform. Here's a picture of him just three or four years later:
Jacobs was arrested in September of 2007 and charged as part of Operation Raw Deal, a large DEA investigation of suspected distributors of performance-enhancing drugs.
In May of this year, Jacobs was given three years of probation in exchange for cooperation with federal investigators. He resumed his life in Plano, Texas with Amanda Jo Earhart-Savell, runner-up in the 2008 Arnold Classic Figure Competition.
A few short weeks later, on June 6th, Jacobs and Earhart-Savell were found dead of gunshot wounds, victims of an apparent murder-suicide. He'd shot Amanda Jo multiple times with his Glock pistol, including in the face. Then he shot himself in the stomach, followed by a shot to the head.
The police confiscated 146 vials of steroids, a plastic jar containing suspected steroids, and three jars of clear liquid believed to contain steroids.
By most accounts, none of their friends were really surprised. Jacobs was apparently so jealous that according to an editor for Muscular Development, "If she looked the other way, he'd get into it with her."
What could this beautiful woman, apparently loved by all who knew her, been doing with an overly jealous, butt-ugly felon who, despite being on probation, still had a large stash of steroids in their home?
We all know that women find high-T men attractive, but most don't like their T too high. On some subconscious level, they know that really high-T men have relationship problems. They can't commit. They screw and run. They're more combative. And sometimes, they shoot you in the face.
But some women just don't seem to have their Testosterone radar, their T-dar, if you will, turned on. They seek out and revel in the bad boy antics of these men.
For some, it's actually cultural. Consider the Yanomano women of the Amazon. They romanticize violence and they welcome being brutalized by their mates as it's indicative of passion. In fact, women without scars are thought to have weak or insensitive mates.
In Shakespeare's Othello, the beautiful Desdemona falls in love with the great warrior Othello, even though he's old, ugly, and has a hairy back (I'm guessing about the back). His friends think he's "bewitched" her. He explains that she was won by the battles he fought: "She'd lov'd me for the dangers I had pass'd...this is the only witchcraft I have used."
One explanation for the love of bad boys could have to do with cavewoman genes. Mates and offspring of good hunters and good fighters had the best chance of survival.
That trait persists today, but for most women, money has taken the place of physical prowess. For others, though, they still seem to be instinctively drawn to the old-fashioned definition of the bad boy: he who is physical, dynamic, and volatile.
But maybe my initial thoughts on the subject hold true, that it has to do with Testosterone itself. Sociologist Richard Udry of the Carolina Population Center found a low but statistically significant correlation between the Testosterone levels of husbands and wives.
The simple truth may be that the women who like bad boys are simply bad girls.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 17:39
LOL this entire thread!!
Like I and some already stated before being an asshole has some of the same characteristics as high social status men. However remind yourself that you dont want to be with girls who are attracted to guys who treat them like shit. Just as decent good guys (but not pussies) dont need to change for girls who like to be treated like shit (she is simply not worth your time, nor worth your love and attention, some day she will see it, then its too late).
Ill note down some personal experience on this later.
Doesnt that kinda depend on what you want them for tho, for longterm relationships they are a nono, but for ONS and friends with benefits they are perfect.
Edit: CAONABO....OMG wall of text!
JackKnightstick
2010-08-23, 17:41
funny how no women but Ioke even spoke on this issue.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 17:43
funny how no women but Ioke even spoke on this issue.
Maybe she is just making a market's research..:|
funny how no women but Ioke even spoke on this issue.
In my personal experience, very few women are 100% bluntly honest about this. I'm not saying they would purposely lie, its just that they will most likely give a socially conditioned answer (what they think sounds good/true).
I have known women who are very much in tune with what pushes their buttons (and most other women) and why. They are a very small minority, but its quite refreshing to confirm much of what we already suspect.
Personal experience
1
Some while ago I hooked up with this chick. She had great tits, looked ok, so i brought her home and showed her a good time. Offcourse (ahem :) ) she came back for more. So i gave it to her. But after a while i got bored so i started pursuiing other girls. I made it clear to her, that i didnt want a relationship or whatever. She was cool with it, so she said.
The first thing she did was a pathetic attempt to make me jealous by fucking some other guy...i couldnt care less. So i just contuined my game and saw other girls, girls she knew btw unfortunately. So when i went out, and she saw me kissing a girl she knew, she went apeshit on the girl.
My problem is however that when i get really drunk, the option for free sex is irresisteble to me. And the girl gave it to me. Unfortunately on every occasions, i was shithoused drunk with possible some other candy with it. This did not improve my sexual skills at all. She had a piercing down there, and to make a story short: I recall waking up with my whole bed covered in blood, as well as my whole door.
Another great time i remember was that she lay in front of my bed on the floor, where she passed out for 2 minutes during sex (my friends love it when i tell this story). Still she came back (god knows why). Things advanced and after a while she became so desperate, that i could simply ignore her all day and all night, get shithoused drunk, take her to my room, fuck the shit out of her, and then tell her to get the fuck out (literally). Sometimes she knocked on my door, i opened, she sat down on my bed, and started crying because i didnt like her. I replied that she should rather just leave, because i wasnt having that. She ran out of my door. Half an hour later however she was horny as hell and started sucking my dick. After a while i just couldnt do this to her anymore, i felt really bad, and i never touched her again nor looked her in her eyes when i saw her just to ignore her and not further hurt her.
2
This was a friend of mine, but she looked quite hot so things changed. To make a story short, she craved drama. And she only liked the hunt, so i was interesting to her when i was actively pursuing other girls. But after a while i kinda fell for her, treated her right and made the rookie mistake of becoming too available. She lost all interest and started going with some guy who made her feel bad.
Like i said, some girls just need the drama and shit.
For the record...
I'm not into bad boys. I just happen to date assholes but I didn't know they were assholes until later on, when the honeymoon stage is over and they started to show their true colors.
But then again, what's the difference between a bad boy and an asshole???
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Oh, shoot, I guess I'm going to answer my own question...
Bad boys are obvious. You can tell that they're players, and you know what you're getting yourself into when you date them in the start.
Assholes only reveal themselves later on. They would disguise themselves as respectable members of society and made you believe that they are decent people. But they'd be doing all these shit to you but you're just too blinded by love to see that they're taking advantage of you already.
Well, something like that.
JackKnightstick
2010-08-23, 18:22
For the record...
I'm not into bad boys. I just happen to date assholes but I didn't know they were assholes until later on, when the honeymoon stage is over and they started to show their true colors.
But then again, what's the difference between a bad boy and an asshole???
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Oh, shoot, I guess I'm going to answer my own question...
Bad boys are obvious. You can tell that they're players, and you know what you're getting yourself into when you date them in the start.
Assholes only reveal themselves later on. They would disguise themselves as respectable members of society and made you believe that they are decent people. But they'd be doing all these shit to you but you're just too blinded by love to see that they're taking advantage of you already.
Well, something like that.
If you are blinded by love then you let yourself get played, I hear this crap from women all the time (sorry)
It is rare that men are not obvious, men are not that complicated.
What happens is "women are so love" with these guys they overlook or ignore obvious warning signs, then they claim ignorance when he fucks them over...
I'm not saying there are not con-artists out there, they exist, but most men are not that clever. Women often see (and hear) what they want to see.
Off topic: Did you guys see the hostage situation here in Manila???
Ugh, another bad rep for my country. :(
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 18:31
For the record...
I'm not into bad boys. I just happen to date assholes but I didn't know they were assholes until later on, when the honeymoon stage is over and they started to show their true colors.
But then again, what's the difference between a bad boy and an asshole???
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Oh, shoot, I guess I'm going to answer my own question...
Bad boys are obvious. You can tell that they're players, and you know what you're getting yourself into when you date them in the start.
Assholes only reveal themselves later on. They would disguise themselves as respectable members of society and made you believe that they are decent people. But they'd be doing all these shit to you but you're just too blinded by love to see that they're taking advantage of you already.
Well, something like that.
And why it bothers you so much, If you're not this type of woman?
And how could love blind someone?? Are you so naive at the point of letting a simple emotion tarnish your capability of observation?
Geez..
JackKnightstick
2010-08-23, 18:39
Off topic: Did you guys see the hostage situation here in Manila???
Ugh, another bad rep for my country. :(
Can happen anywhere...isn't that a CHinese tour bus?
And why it bothers you so much, If you're not this type of woman?
And how could love blind someone?? Are you so naive at the point of letting a simple emotion tarnish your capability of observation?
Geez..
Well, I've had only a handful relationships (well, less than a handful actually...) in my entire life BUT I have learned a lot and matured a lot too. It all goes down to learning how to choose the right person to be with. The fact that I don't want a bad boy or an asshole is my personal choice...I don't blame other women who choose them. It's their prerogative.
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Can happen anywhere...isn't that a CHinese tour bus?
Yes, it is...
Stupid media!!! The reason why the gunman started to shoot was when he saw live on the news that the bus was being surrounded by armed policemen. They should have instituted a media blackout then.
Don Keebals
2010-08-23, 18:49
For the record...
I'm not into bad boys. I just happen to date assholes but I didn't know they were assholes until later on, when the honeymoon stage is over and they started to show their true colors.
But then again, what's the difference between a bad boy and an asshole???
---------- Post added 2010-08-24 at 01:20 ----------
Oh, shoot, I guess I'm going to answer my own question...
Bad boys are obvious. You can tell that they're players, and you know what you're getting yourself into when you date them in the start.
Assholes only reveal themselves later on. They would disguise themselves as respectable members of society and made you believe that they are decent people. But they'd be doing all these shit to you but you're just too blinded by love to see that they're taking advantage of you already.
Well, something like that.
looking at it from the position of a naturalist you can only choose between dicks assholes and pussies.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 18:54
Well, I've had only a handful relationships (well, less than a handful actually...) in my entire life BUT I have learned a lot and matured a lot too. It all goes down to learning how to choose the right person to be with. The fact that I don't want a bad boy or an asshole is my personal choice...I don't blame other women who choose them. It's their prerogative.
Ok.. you seem to be smart.. good luck then..
Anyone post a link for this hostage thing? in english preferably
Papa Anodyne
2010-08-23, 19:04
What a depressing thread. But it's honest. Although I sense some anger. But we shouldn't forget the minority of women who this nonsense doesn't go with. I've dated and known women that would laugh if someone approached them with "game," as Jack calls it. These are the women I like to be with and they for the most part, in my experience, have a personality that tends to be antagonistic towards the mainstream. They're like a different breed and superior to the majority of women.
Bittereinder
2010-08-23, 19:50
What a depressing thread. But it's honest. Although I sense some anger. But we shouldn't forget the minority of women who this nonsense doesn't go with. I've dated and known women that would laugh if someone approached them with "game," as Jack calls it. These are the women I like to be with and they for the most part, in my experience, have a personality that tends to be antagonistic towards the mainstream. They're like a different breed and superior to the majority of women.
Okay, you're right, but how would you even get these women to take an interest in you if you have no 'game' whatsoever? They are women. They mostly wait and observe, and if you fail to make an impression for whatever reason, they are not going to magically sniff out that you're worthwhile.
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However i think you are somewhat off(or the chicks ive been with have been complete fruitcakes), but i have been downright nasty and mean to many chicks i had no interest in and for some weird ass reason that seemed to egg them on.
Really? I would say it's more that the charismatic guys get away with being an asshole much more easily, not that most girls love being treated like shit. They will just accept it as long as he's confident and physically attractive.
Really? I would say it's more that the charismatic guys get away with being an asshole much more easily, not that most girls love being treated like shit. They will just accept it as long as he's confident and physically attractive.
Yea well i have no idea what thoes girls were all about, maybe they were used to being treated like that or whatever. Was only like three that acted that way tho, much more often was if you were an ass to one woman other women in the area seemed to take an interest in you...hell i dont know, i just find women extremley weird sometimes.
Papa Anodyne
2010-08-23, 20:38
Okay, you're right, but how would you even get these women to take an interest in you if you have no 'game' whatsoever?They are women. They mostly wait and observe, and if you fail to make an impression for whatever reason, they are not going to magically sniff out that you're worthwhile.
Well, they tend to like my sense of humor and so they like talking to me. Then I allow them to discuss what interests them. People enjoying talking about themselves. If you allow people to talk about themselves and show interest, real or not, they'll want to be around you. It also helps that I'm handsome.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 20:39
This "game" stuff is kind of a stupid thing for boys or those who wrongly consider themselves "alpha-males" (too much internet articles on "alpha-males" - stuffs for losers), men don't play games, they make their intentions very clear.. so they can go for the right chick according to what they want..
Some boy thinking he's an alpha-male can make "his game" and eventually grab a chick .. but will lose her as quickly as he got her..Impressions are just impressions.. not much time for them to realize *who* you really are (you can pose as a bad boy, nice guy, rich dude or whatever..).. and if you're passing by as something that you aren't.. so you're fucked..
Funny how some of the so called alpha-males can't get a woman..even in a morgue.. or make use of the internet to try to get some pussy..
Pathetic.
This "game" stuff is kind of a stupid thing for boys or those who wrongly consider themselves "alpha-males" (too much internet articles on "alpha-males" - stuffs for losers), men don't play games, they make their intentions very clear.. so they can go for the right chick according to what they want..
Some boy thinking he's an alpha-male can make "his game" and eventually grab a chick .. but will lose her as quickly as he got her..Impressions are just impressions.. not much time for them to realize *who* you really are (you can pose as a bad boy, nice guy, rich dude or whatever..).. and if you're passing by as something that you aren't.. so you're fucked..
Funny how some of the so called alpha-males can't get a woman..even in a morgue.. or make use of the internet to try to get some pussy..
Pathetic.
You do realize Game is for hooking up with chicks for sex right? its not a manual on how to find the perfect wife. YFI
JackKnightstick
2010-08-23, 20:47
This "game" stuff is kind of a stupid thing for boys or those who wrongly consider themselves "alpha-males" (too much internet articles on "alpha-males" - stuffs for losers), men don't play games, they make their intentions very clear.. so they can go for the right chick according to what they want..
Some boy thinking he's an alpha-male can make "his game" and eventually grab a chick .. but will lose her as quickly as he got her..Impressions are just impressions.. not much time for them to realize *who* you really are (you can pose as a bad boy, nice guy, rich dude or whatever..).. and if you're passing by as something that you aren't.. so you're fucked..
Funny how some of the so called alpha-males can't get a woman..even in a morgue..
Having game does not mean you are "alpha".
Beta's can have game.
"Game" is just pretense, some men have personalities that are naturally like this, some cultures are naturally more like this, etc.
You are right when you say that if all you have is "game" you won't keep a woman.
Many people on the net are not interested in keeping a woman anyway, they are interested in banging as many women as possible, so "Game" is what they are interested in, they aren't worried what happens after they sleep with her, in fact they don't want her around.
I talked about "game" on this site, not as a way to bed as many women as possible, but to get women who are ordinarily a man would not approach or women who ordinarily wont take interest, TAKE INTEREST. From there you have to have something else to back it up.
I know a guy with excellent game, he lives in his parents basement, 30 years old, has an old BMW....obviously many women he "hooked up with" found out his situation and realized he was not what he made himself out to be and did not want to see him anymore. He doesn't care, because he got what he wanted.
In any case, bieng naturally an Alpha Male and having game is not the same thing.
FIrst lets define an alpha. If a person calls themselves an alpha but no women want to fuck them, they are not alphas. End of discussion, I don't care how much weight they can lift, how smart they are, whatever.
Alphas command respect from other men and women want to sleep with them, usually multiple women, usually above average women, or he can make that situation possible if he chooses.
Very few men can walk into a room without "game" and get a woman. It is possible, I've seen it, but you have to be like Brad Pitt or Donald Trump, either strikingly handsome or rich& famous...they don't need game, they just say "hello" and women's panties drop.
Most men who are successful with attractive women have "game" some of them just naturally have. Many of them need to learn it.
When I say "learn" I am thinking about the guy who is average or above average in intelligence, income, nice guy. However he simply cannot attract women, not because of his looks or status in other areas, but because he portrays himself in an unattractive way.
THose men can learn "game" and get women interested enough to know who they are, then they are fine.
A man who is a loser, totally ugly, hyper-nerd, etc. Well, "Game" is not going to do much for them, because regardless of how well they talk most women won't want to even talk to them to give them a chance.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 20:49
You do realize Game is for hooking up with chicks for sex right? its not a manual on how to find the perfect wife. YFI
Did I said it was for finding the perfect wife?? Did I??
Did I said it was for finding the perfect wife?? Did I??
Some boy thinking he's an alpha-male can make "his game" and eventually grab a chick .. but will lose her as quickly as he got her..Impressions are just impressions.. not much time for them to realize *who* you really are (you can pose as a bad boy, nice guy, rich dude or whatever..).. and if you're passing by as something that you aren't.. so you're fucked..
This stinks of relationship mentality, when aplying game you dont give a flying fuck if they get to know the real you or not, that is not the point of game...point is to get them in the sack as quickly as possible with as little hasle as postible.
By the time they realize that atm receit with loads of 0's on it that you accidently showed her is actually not yours, you have allready banged her and moved on.
but whatever man.
edit: btw i dont do game, i just know shit about it.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 21:00
Having game does not mean you are "alpha".
Beta's can have game.
"Game" is just pretense, some men have personalities that are naturally like this, some cultures are naturally more like this, etc.
You are right when you say that if all you have is "game" you won't keep a woman.
Many people on the net are not interested in keeping a woman anyway, they are interested in banging as many women as possible, so "Game" is what they are interested in, they aren't worried what happens after they sleep with her, in fact they don't want her around.
I talked about "game" on this site, not as a way to bed as many women as possible, but to get women who are ordinarily a man would not approach or women who ordinarily wont take interest, TAKE INTEREST. From there you have to have something else to back it up.
I know a guy with excellent game, he lives in his parents basement, 30 years old, has an old BMW....obviously many women he "hooked up with" found out his situation and realized he was not what he made himself out to be and did not want to see him anymore. He doesn't care, because he got what he wanted.
In any case, bieng naturally an Alpha Male and having game is not the same thing.
FIrst lets define an alpha. If a person calls themselves an alpha but no women want to fuck them, they are not alphas. End of discussion, I don't care how much weight they can lift, how smart they are, whatever.
Alphas command respect from other men and women want to sleep with them, usually multiple women, usually above average women, or he can make that situation possible if he chooses.
Very few men can walk into a room without "game" and get a woman. It is possible, I've seen it, but you have to be like Brad Pitt or Donald Trump, either strikingly handsome or rich& famous...they don't need game, they just say "hello" and women's panties drop.
Most men who are successful with attractive women have "game" some of them just naturally have. Many of them need to learn it.
When I say "learn" I am thinking about the guy who is average or above average in intelligence, income, nice guy. However he simply cannot attract women, not because of his looks or status in other areas, but because he portrays himself in an unattractive way.
THose men can learn "game" and get women interested enough to know who they are, then they are fine.
A man who is a loser, totally ugly, hyper-nerd, etc. Well, "Game" is not going to do much for them, because regardless of how well they talk most women won't want to even talk to them to give them a chance.
Agree. Well said!!
One thing is to have sex.. some dudes spend so much money they don't have, trying to play games, they should go for a professional prostitute, afterall you don't pay her for sex, you pay her to leave after the sex..
The other is to make a woman interested in what he is and who he is. For this you're right, the dude need to have some basis of truth in what he said.
I NEVER tried to find women (even for casual sex) using internet for the simple reason that interesting chicks don't spend their friday nights exchanging bullshits with someone in the MSN or any other IM.. this is for the desperates..and usually this type of chicks are not my poison..:)
Bittereinder
2010-08-23, 21:01
Yea well i have no idea what thoes girls were all about, maybe they were used to being treated like that or whatever. Was only like three that acted that way tho, much more often was if you were an ass to one woman other women in the area seemed to take an interest in you...hell i dont know, i just find women extremley weird sometimes.
Now that you mention it, I've recently witnessed a few girls like that...I was at my friend's place, and his younger brother was having some kind of party. They kept insulting one of the girls by calling her slut, whore, etc. and she didn't seem to mind. It was pretty bemusing. I still don't think it's a normal reaction though; these women generally lack self-respect.
Yautja_BR
2010-08-23, 21:03
This stinks of relationship mentality, when aplying game you dont give a flying fuck if they get to know the real you or not, that is not the point of game...point is to get them in the sack as quickly as possible with as little hasle as postible.
By the time they realize that atm receit with loads of 0's on it that you accidently showed her is actually not yours, you have allready banged her and moved on.
but whatever man.
Ok. But remember, you can bang as much women you want without playing games.. and it much more easy.
Women play games also, when you find a chick who is secure of herself, she will fuck you and also move on, because she can see the difference of a booty call and a possible relationship
slick willy
2010-08-23, 21:15
Women like men who take charge (ie: a bad ass to everyone else 'cept themselves)... I learned this a long time ago. Once upon a time long long ago, back when I was still just 'willy', and not yet slick willy, I was infatuated with this girl from my school. I would do her bidding. All she required to do was snap her fingers and voila, I'd be running to her like a puppy... Oh god, once I remember driving her to this seminar and waiting for her in the parking lot like a chump, for like 2 hours (no lie) while she was training for some sales event. I foregone having fun with my friends, doing things for myself, just so I could be a personal chauffeur to this bitch. Did I get any love back? Hell no, in fact there were times when I'd call, and I knew she would be home, and her brother would pick up and tell me she wasnt. Fuck, she was avoiding me and I knew it,Man, I was obsessed with that girl and was willing to shame and dishonour myself to get her...obviously it didnt work.
Then one day, (by this time I gave up on the idea that she would ever see me that way and conceded to being nothing but her friend) while I was in the gas station, this dude cut me off and drove right infront of me and took my spot at the gas. I lost it and in an adrenaline rushed instant, I got out of my car, walked towards him, dragged him out of his car and got in his car and drove it away from the gas pump and into the parking lot. The guy was still on the ground where I left him, sprawled and obviously scared shit and knowing that he overstepped boundaries but was dealing with a guy (me) who didnt take shit from anyone. I was seething when I walked back towards my car...and on the way, passed the shocked asshole, still sitting on the curb and not uttering a damn word at me, threw his car keys at him, and got back in my car, without saying a word to her. She was sitting on the passenger seat, and watched all of this happen, and had this 'gape mouth expression' on her face, and repeating "OMG!" like a million times. I was still pumped from the rage, and wasnt talking to her, but I recall what she said, with this look of shock in her eyes..."I never seen you get this way, I didnt know you had this in you". The whole ride she couldnt stop talking about how I kicked ass, and how she got such a rush from seeing me drag the dude out of his car and into the curb.
I was so surprised with the attention she was paying me, and I said..."wow, this is so strange. My whole time spending with you, I tried to be on my best behaviour, hiding my volatile side from you so that you think Im this wholesome, intelligent and good prospect for a boyfriend, and I come to find out that you actually like seeing my violent, rage filled side?"
She basically fessed up that until then, she thought I was boring and too 'available'... the fact that I had this dark side to me interested her and she wanted to get to know me. Guess who was doing all the calling and messaging now? But the fact that she was excited by my volatility turned me off, and I started to see her in a new light, and ironically, the roles reversed and it was now me avoiding her calls.
Ok. But remember, you can bang as much women you want without playing games.. and it much more easy.
Women play games also, when you find a chick who is secure of herself, she will fuck you and also move on, because she can see the difference of a booty call and a possible relationship
Thats the perfect woman in my books :)
Mutual agreement that its only sex.
I'm willing to bet at least some of you have gone thru similar situations to slick willy's personal experience.
By the way, some of which reminded me of the infamous 'Ladder Theory":
http://www.laddertheory.com/
Here are a few funny examples:
"Power is a great aphrodesiac" - Notorious Asshole and War Criminal Henry Kissinger"A woman's test is material. A man's test is a woman...if a man could fuck in a cardboard box, he wouldn't buy a house." - Rabbi Dave Chappelle.
• "You're like a brother to me"
• "You're like a big teddy bear".
• "I feel like I can talk to you about anything"
• "You're so nice"
• "Can you help me with my homework"
Ladder Theory Explanation: You are on the friends ladder. So Sorry.
Cuddle Bitches
cuddle bitch(n) - a guy who never gets to sleep with a girl but gets to have intimate moments with her like cuddling, spooning, or otherwise being affectionate. Usually this will occur in private. She probably considers him a really sweet guy, which is the kiss of death.
First off, cuddle bitches are bad, bad things to be. Maybe the worst thing to be. I mean, being an Intellectual Whore is bad, but being an Intellectual Whore who has to endure blue-balls is bordering on criminal.
^
:lol: lmao!
Whoever the author is, he comes off a bit mysognistic and bitter towards women. But there are nuggets of truth in his 'theory'. lol
BTW, to the women on the forum, don't take these comments as a personal rant against women. It is what it is, its neither good nor bad, it is beyond good or bad (Nietzche imitation) lol. Its just a bunch of guys online sharing what they think are some universal truths to men/women relationships.
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On a related note:
My friends and I would use the term 'Male Cheerleader' for the following:
-A straight guy you see that hangs around alot of women, usually pretty, but he is not going out/or has gone out with any of them. He is basically 'one of the girls'.
He may give the superficial impression that he's a chick magnet, but on closer inspection you find out they just consider him a harmless teddy bear, one of the girls. Probably gets invited for slumber parties.
I've known girls who were talking to my friend in a relationship type of way while a Cuddle Bitch/Male Cheerleader takes their car to go get washed. True story boys and girls.:lol:
Women like men who dont cry when a woman says she is 'brown' haha :lol:. Joke
In some women's cases, confidence in a man is more important than looks. Non arrogant confidence shows that this man believes in himself.
When a man asks a girl out, and she rejects him, he should say 'Thanks for taking the time to talk to me', and walk away confidently, by doing this that girl will want him more. Her initial reaction when you first approached her is that 'oh he is desperate'. But his coolness to accept her rejection will stab her in the heart, and she will become more curious and start wondering why he was so easy to get rid of. That man has showed himself as confident, who knows what he is all about. Like David Brinkley said 'A successful person is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks that others throw at him or her'
But the man who persists even after rejection will only be looked at as a weak insecure fool. If she eventually accepts the persistence of a weak fool, he will then become her slave because she knows he will be easy to maintain (And we all know that easy people are boring people). His desperation only shows his slave complex.
At the same time many women look for men who are slick in their style (not players or cheaters) just charismatic, communicative men. I think this kind of character sets a man apart from the masses. Its entertaining to a woman when she sees a guy who stands out. A humourous interesting individual that is exciting. (Women love men who can make them laugh).
So to include, its not about liking bad boys, its about what makes you different from the rest. And for the women who do like bad boys, its the same reason as the insecure fool who persists on chasing a woman even after rejection, that reason being insecurity.
You are right it is not about you. I think I'm the only guy here who doesn't want you but that is because I'm racist. I don't care what women want because I know French women will be dropping their panties for me when I join the French Foreign Legions and French chicks are hot.
Beilive me: no French girl will want you. They're the most liberals, and very perceptive, so they'll know what kind of "man" you are.
Papa Anodyne
2010-08-23, 23:33
Willy, what was this girl's background? And how old was the man you assaulted? I can't imagine your unprogressive skinny arms could do such a thing unless the man was old and infirm.
Anyway, we should get anthroscape chat back up and going so we can accuse Manu of being a closet homosexual. Good times.
It's not really about being 'bad', it's more about being confident and manly in general. That just happens to correlate with being a total asshole.
Agree, that's why I said "bad" and not bad. In my personal experience I've noticed that women like confident men that show little or no interest in them.
By the way, what is it with this forum and its obsession with having/not having a life? In every other thread you have people either talking about how everyone here is a pathetic loser or summing up the activities they have, ah, engaged in in order to set themselves apart from said losers. Alright, we get it, no need to prove yourself over and over.
Is this directed to me? I don't understand how I said that in my post...
Anyway, some posts I read in this thread show some bitterness against men that date more women, and the women that date them; saying that this men are immature and violent, and their women are some kind of cheap prostitutes.
I say to them that not being boring and predictable is not being a child; life is to have fun, even if you are 32 or something.
Anyway, some posts I read in this thread show some bitterness against men that date more women, and the women that date them; saying that this men are immature and violent, and their women are some kind of cheap prostitutes.
Same feeling here. Being a rational man (in real life things are different though), looks to be the ideal for some posters here - such behavior it will not help much with seduction, but they do worse, or try to appear cool and harmless. Want to demonstrate that they hate the attitudes of men and "miscreants", they are not that type. Try to demonstrate at all costs that are romantic, confident and sensitive. The big problem here, as in the above behavior is that these men completely hide their sexuality and do nothing to seduce the woman. They forget that men are sexual beings. Moreover think seduction is logic, ie, the woman will think, "Yeah, he's so sensitive, cool and romantic, so I'll fall in love with him." But the attraction is not logical - it's not a choice that women make.
Geto-Thracian
2010-08-24, 02:41
This "game" stuff is kind of a stupid thing for boys or those who wrongly consider themselves "alpha-males" (too much internet articles on "alpha-males" - stuffs for losers), men don't play games, they make their intentions very clear.. so they can go for the right chick according to what they want..
Some boy thinking he's an alpha-male can make "his game" and eventually grab a chick .. but will lose her as quickly as he got her..Impressions are just impressions.. not much time for them to realize *who* you really are (you can pose as a bad boy, nice guy, rich dude or whatever..).. and if you're passing by as something that you aren't.. so you're fucked..
Funny how some of the so called alpha-males can't get a woman..even in a morgue.. or make use of the internet to try to get some pussy..
Pathetic.
I don't think "game" is necessarily pretense or deception--rather just your overall package that you present to women when initiating anything. Personally, I prefer the blunt approach. Straight-forward, honest...no pick-up lines EVER (those are almost always a waste of time and corny as fuck IMO. I try to find something relevant or witty to say in a given situation but the best approach undoubtably is just-"Hello, hotness...my name is Alex."
SilverKnight
2010-08-24, 03:05
I'm a man not a boy. Any dumb bitch, woman, who wants a boy instead of a man can have them since I'm better off without such immature twats. I'm 32 years old not 16.
I absolutely agree with you, "girls" not women this days look for trouble at the end of the line they'll try to become like real women but will fail to recognize how much of their time was wasted with players and immature fuktards. But I guess everyone looks for there type, and get what they looked for, at the end they'll just complain about it and I'll rub it in their faces, the fact that it was all their fault since the beginning.
slick willy
2010-08-24, 04:29
Willy, what was this girl's background? And how old was the man you assaulted? I can't imagine your unprogressive skinny arms could do such a thing unless the man was old and infirm.
Anyway, we should get anthroscape chat back up and going so we can accuse Manu of being a closet homosexual. Good times.
She was a 'Bajan' ie, from the Bahamas...a light skinned 'red bone' type that reminded me of the r&b singer Ashanti. The man was my age or older, and lol @ skinny arms, I'm strong as fuck and can be intimidating when I need to be.
Women play games also, when you find a chick who is secure of herself, she will fuck you and also move on, because she can see the difference of a booty call and a possible relationship
The real women, actually. Women who prefer the independence and equality between the sexes even to party, get drunk and have bad sex. Not just restricting it to a male activity.
I absolutely agree with [Angevin].
That's when you know you need to rethink your viewpoint.
Papa Anodyne
2010-08-24, 15:46
She was a 'Bajan' ie, from the Bahamas...a light skinned 'red bone' type that reminded me of the r&b singer Ashanti.
I'm going to step outside the theme of the forum for a moment and suggest maybe her background played a role in how she saw you? Maybe in some cultures assaulting someone over an insignificant matter makes the woman, typically, wary, and in others excited.
Women like men with confidence but most women don't like to see someone flip out violently unless there is something wrong with them. At least not in mainstream White culture.
The man was my age or older, and lol @ skinny arms, I'm strong as fuck and can be intimidating when I need to be.
People can say just about anything on the internet. I need some proof. Have a friend video tape you fighting someone. Preferably in a pit. Otherwise I'm suspicious.
Women like men with confidence but most women don't like to see someone flip out violently unless there is something wrong with them. At least not in mainstream White culture.
Women "think" they don't like to see a man act violently but instinctively they like it. I mean, which woman wouldn't like to be with a man who can proctect her in time of trouble?
That's a 'broad' (ha ha) generalization.
I know plenty of women who are turned off completely by 'macho' violence. That doesn't mean your statement is untrue, it just doesn't speak for all women.
I beat the crap out of a guy at a concert because he put his hands on my girlfriend and tried to take our seats. Rather than being turned on, she was embarrassed and thought I overdid it.
Women "think" they don't like to see a man act violently but instinctively they like it. I mean, which woman wouldn't like to be with a man who can proctect her in time of trouble?
Eh, there is some level of truth to this, but it really depends within what context and even IMHO the age of the girl/woman. Going crazy, flipping out for random petty percieved slights or insults can definitely turn off many women and turn on a minority of them.
Getting macho and tough in the proper context (she's legitimately threatened or in danger) can definitely turn on a woman.
My first hand experience in this, meaning the first time I became aware of the fact that some women can be turned on by acts of machismo, may be limited because it happened in high school. During a fight in which I was involved, with the usual crowd of onlookers, one girl later admitted that she was among the onlookers and it turned her on to see me all angry and fighting the other guy. This was after dating her.
Another secretary at my office gets a perverse enjoyment at seeing me with an angry attituded (but not at her) but maybe thats just her.
Papa Anodyne
2010-08-24, 17:34
Women "think" they don't like to see a man act violently but instinctively they like it. I mean, which woman wouldn't like to be with a man who can proctect her in time of trouble?
Protecting someone in time of trouble is different from causing trouble.
By the way, with regards about what I said about a minority of women with a certain attitude that game doesn't work on, I recently came across one and she totally digs me :thumbsup:
Hopefully this will turn out well. Unlike the recent disaster that was a consequence of some unknown information: that she was in a gray area of a seven year relationship. That was terrible.
That's when you know you need to rethink your viewpoint.
When someone agrees with your posts they need not just rethink their viewpoint but rather their entire cognitive ability since your posts are such high volume and low quality that they induce torpor. Your posts are as intellectually deep as a street puddle.
slick willy
2010-08-24, 19:37
I'm going to step outside the theme of the forum for a moment and suggest maybe her background played a role in how she saw you? Maybe in some cultures assaulting someone over an insignificant matter makes the woman, typically, wary, and in others excited.
Women like men with confidence but most women don't like to see someone flip out violently unless there is something wrong with them. At least not in mainstream White culture.
If you've read my account and understood it in its proper context, you would have realized that what excited her, more than my assaulting a guy over an 'insignificant factor' as you call it, was the fact that until then she thought she knew my persona real well and found me to have been bland and like I said, too available. That I had this temperamental and unpredictable side excited her and piqued her curiosity, as in "what else don't I know about him?" That was my perception.
Anyways, lol @ you grasping at straws about race. This girl did not fit into any racially stereotypical 'template' and was typical of 18/19 year olds of her generation. If anything she was a good girl relative to her counterparts and sang at her church choir. In fact my personal observations are in contrast to yours, since I recall teenage white girls being the ones more prone to cream their pants if the guy they're into was a volatile 'bad ass', and I'm not talking about thugs or gangstas either, just guys who like to get drunk and get into reckless bar fights.
People can say just about anything on the internet. I need some proof. Have a friend video tape you fighting someone. Preferably in a pit. Otherwise I'm suspicious.
Well you chat with ahni...one of these days why don't you go ahead and ask her whether I can hold my own or not. If that's not satisfactory, well how about you and I arrange a lil rendezvous, some mid point between Toronto and New Jersey and I can demonstrate my volatility first hand...then again, what are you again? Like 5'7 and 140 lbs iirc? It wouldnt really be a fair fight.
In fact my personal observations are in contrast to yours, since I recall teenage white girls being the ones more prone to cream their pants if the guy they're into was a volatile 'bad ass', and I'm not talking about thugs or gangstas either, just guys who like to get drunk and get into reckless bar fights.
Lol have you been spying on my when i went out? Because i've head some barfights/'arguments' were some girls actually were attracted to me because of that....I can only cry and guess at the iq of those girls.
All women say they want to be with nice guys, but in the end they all go for the "bad guys", at least the wanted girls.
So, if you want to be with a girls or women just be an asshole, it has worked for me... actually being an asshole comes natural for me.
Nice try to say what you really mean - that you are a real badass who are loved by all girls because you are so much of a bad guy.:rolleyes:
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Also, a bad boy is someone never telling he's a bad boy, or macho.
Women really hate when guys saying they are macho, they want to discover that themselves.
And keep also in mind that girls watch us, and watch threads like this. They know what guys think girls like. They are always one step ahead of us, boys.
If I worked at a book store and someone came and bought Guide to become an alpha male I would think he's tragic. Women too.
If a woman doesn't respect you, it matters not if you are a "bad boy" or "good boy". She will treat you accordingly.
For instance, as Tweet notes about some ways that guys approach women, I want to expand on that a bit. If a guy approaches a woman in a disrespectful, dull, etc. manner, if she doesn't respect him based on how he initially presented himself, expect to see her ignore him, roll her eyes, or respond with a nasty remark. I have done all 3 before. :lol:
Now on the other hand, a gentleman who approaches in a sensible manner and maybe even makes me laugh, we can have a conversation and I will be cordial back.
In terms of "bad boy" depends on what type of bad boy we're talking about. One woman might think a guy is bad because he is confident and this sets him apart from the rest and that originality attracts her. Another woman might be attracted to the stereotypical "bad boy" who is combative and shows little respect for women. I would say each woman in the above situations has different priorities and maybe insecurities. On the same token, the combative guy may appeal to the woman because she interprets that to mean that he can protect her. Now when she gets in a relationship with him, that's gonna be a whole other matter. :lol:
Hopefully I'm making some sense. I think it's about where the woman's head is at and what she values in a guy. Some women like combative relationships or drama, some women do not.
Papa Anodyne
2010-08-24, 20:12
If you've read my account and understood it in its proper context, you would have realized that what excited her, more than my assaulting a guy over an 'insignificant factor' as you call it, was the fact that until then she thought she knew my persona real well and found me to have been bland and like I said, too available. That I had this temperamental and unpredictable side excited her and piqued her curiosity, as in "what else don't I know about him?" That was my perception.
I understood that. My interpretation of the crime and the reaction is that there is something wrong with her. What she displayed was a typical low class reaction.
Anyways, lol @ you grasping at straws about race. This girl did not fit into any racially stereotypical 'template' and was typical of 18/19 year olds of her generation.
Race? Me. I said culture [White mainstream] and I honestly meant that*. Although I can see why you would think I was all about race here. It's the same with low class Whites as it is with ghetto Blacks and people with a third world culture where violence and honor go hand in hand.
If anything she was a good girl relative to her counterparts and sang at her church choir. In fact my personal observations are in contrast to yours, since I recall teenage white girls being the ones more prone to cream their pants if the guy they're into was a volatile 'bad ass', and I'm not talking about thugs or gangstas either, just guys who like to get drunk and get into reckless bar fights.
I suppose so or it could be the type of White girls you knew. The whole low class thing I was getting at above.
Well you chat with ahni...one of these days why don't you go ahead and ask her whether I can hold my own or not.
Well, she is merely a woman. I wouldn't be proud of beating her in a fight. She doesn't look like she can take a punch.
If that's not satisfactory, well how about you and I arrange a lil rendezvous, some mid point between Toronto and New Jersey and I can demonstrate my volatility first hand...then again, what are you again? Like 5'7 and 140 lbs iirc? It wouldnt really be a fair fight.
I don't understand how beating me in a fight would prove you got mad skillz with the knuckles if you don't think it would be a fair fight. Anyway, I don't trust Somalis to fight one on one. You'd bring your extended family and it wouldn't matter if I got the first punch in, and its the first punch that counts. If you lose a fight after getting the first punch in you really shouldn't be fighting anyone. Unless you get jumped by a group of Horners. Then it's understandable.
*I think this was the problem... my sarcasm getting in the way: "I'm going to step outside the theme of the forum for a moment and suggest maybe her background played a role"
Don Keebals
2010-08-24, 23:28
Nice try to say what you really mean - that you are a real badass who are loved by all girls because you are so much of a bad guy.:rolleyes:
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Also, a bad boy is someone never telling he's a bad boy, or macho.
Women really hate when guys saying they are macho, they want to discover that themselves.
And keep also in mind that girls watch us, and watch threads like this. They know what guys think girls like. They are always one step ahead of us, boys.
If I worked at a book store and someone came and bought Guide to become an alpha male I would think he's tragic. Women too.
whats wrong with an alpha woman, besides biological constraints that is
JackKnightstick
2010-08-24, 23:35
whats wrong with an alpha woman, besides biological constraints that is
They are usually conceited bitches, mainly because they learned very early they can get what they want out of men and don't have to try hard. Often they come off as stupid, that does not mean their IQ is low, they just never had to develop much of a personality, etc. They hare hyper caddy with other women as well..
Let me tell you though...a lot of men are into alpha women.
It's something about dominating this kind of woman that turns them on and makes them feel like they're on top of things when they have the illusion of control.
When someone agrees with your posts they need not just rethink their viewpoint but rather their entire cognitive ability since your posts are such high volume and low quality that they induce torpor. Your posts are as intellectually deep as a street puddle.
And this comes from the misogynist schopenhauer wanna be....
Who thinks womens liberation is responsible for the death of the gentleman ? Since women like bad boys and not gentleman there has been a rise in uncivilized men running around. I'm a civilized chap. What is a chap ? The Chap takes a wry look at the modern world through the steamed-up monocle of a more refined age, occasionally getting his sock suspenders into a twist at the unspeakable vulgarity of the twenty-first century. If women are responsible for the death of the gentleman that then is even more evidence that womens liberation is stupid. I know lack of manners and disgustingly slobbish or functional clothes now rule the day as the norm.
Chap magazine ! :
http://thechap.net/
And this comes from the misogynist schopenhauer wanna be....
You can't judge me from this thread alone. You are new here.
I judged you since you posted "inferior negro music" and of course, the ridiculous "I only read non-fiction stuff because we're not here to enjoy ourselves". Really, a lot of what you post are just quotes of Schopenhauer and Wittgenstein (or writting the same they thought) because you just happen to be in agreement with eveything they said...
Because geeks and nice guys are a bore. Women want to be entertained and be around someone unpredictable and exciting, not a nice guy loser. I would speculate most women prefer bad guys to nice guys.
Nice try to say what you really mean - that you are a real badass who are loved by all girls because you are so much of a bad guy.:rolleyes:
Also, a bad boy is someone never telling he's a bad boy, or macho.
Women really hate when guys saying they are macho, they want to discover that themselves.
And keep also in mind that girls watch us, and watch threads like this. They know what guys think girls like. They are always one step ahead of us, boys.
If I worked at a book store and someone came and bought Guide to become an alpha male I would think he's tragic. Women too.
Never said I'm macho and girls love me, I'm just saying that I'm not like those guys that think if they are good and nice with girls they will feel atracted to him. The truth is that the only thing you'll get by doing that is becoming some kind of gay friend; wile she'll fuck the guy that never calls and treat her like shit.
Anyway, IMO women don't deserv to be treated good, they are mean and they only want to use men, so why be nice with them?
Anyway, IMO women don't deserv to be treated good, they are mean and they only want to use men, so why be nice with them?
...With that attitude, can you blame them? Jeez. Even my childhood hero Al Bundy wasn't this much of a misogynist.
Because it is survivalistic.
A bad boy is a man who can protect his woman better & a man who is likely better for the hunt.
It all goes down to survival. Women like bad boys because it compliments them & bad boys can handle anything a good girl can't so well.
Such as hunting, protection, ect
On the other hand guys like good or feminine girls who can take care of anything they can deal with.
Such as raising children, empathy, ect
So it works out for our survival.
Whatever you say, Polski. :rolleyes:
Because it is survivalistic.
A bad boy is a man who can protect his woman better & a man who is likely better for the hunt.
It all goes down to survival. Women like bad boys because it compliments them & bad boys can handle anything a good girl can't so well.
Such as hunting, protection, ect
On the other hand guys like good or feminine girls who can take care of anything they can deal with.
Such as raising children, empathy, ect
So it works out for our survival.
Right... because we all know we are, actually, living in the stone age and/or the neolithic etc.. period and not, actually, the year 2010. The protective forces of the modern state haven't come to fruition, yet, and I just speared a woolly mammoth to death, for dinner, instead of microwaving food I bought from the supermarket. :rolleyes:
Well, look at his profile pic. https://www.forumbiodiversity.com/member.php?u=1154
The guy is clearly a CroMag or a Neanderthal.
Whatever you say, Polski. :rolleyes:
Yeah man there is no explanation that is survivalistic what so ever. :lol::lol:
Women like bad boys quite often who are tough & macho for no reason at all.
It is just "Shit happens" & "It is what it is huh"
LMFAO
Right. So when women want men to kill flies and spiders for them, it's about survivalism?
I think you're oversimplifying things.
QUOTE=Angevin;175784]Right... because we all know we are, actually, living in the stone age and/or the neolithic etc.. period and not actually the year 2010. The protective forces of the modern state haven't come to fruition, yet, and I just speared a woolly mammoth to death for dinner instead of microwaving food I bought from the supermarket. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Obviously we are setup with many survivalistic traits that came about from living in the stone age.
These traits are often hormone & chemically influenced. These hormone & chemical influences lead to our survival.
Women do indeed prefer macho tough bad boys than men do macho tough bad girls.
:lol::whoco:
Pretty simple.
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Right. So when women want men to kill flies and spiders for them, it's about survivalism?
I think you're oversimplifying things.
Well duh. Men are more muscular & masculine & impulsive & potentially violent for a reason.
Men like to fight, like war more, & like to hunt more for a reason.
:whoco:
There are three billion of 'em in the world and you're trying to pin them all into some ideal that you seem to have dreamt up. That would be like saying all men like pale girls with blonde hair or that all Pollacks are fat slobs.
I'm sure some women fit the stereotypical cliches that you're spouting, but quit painting everyone with such a broad brush. It doesn't help discourse at all.
There are three billion of 'em in the world and you're trying to pin them all into some ideal that you seem to have dreamt up. That would be like saying all men like pale girls with blonde hair or that all Pollacks are fat slobs.
I'm sure some women fit the stereotypical cliches that you're spouting, but quit painting everyone with such a broad brush. It doesn't help discourse at all.
Are you just stupid? Or are you just Italian?
I am sure women are generally more muscular, I am sure women love to fight more, are more violent, women also like to hunt more, women are also more impulsive.
Yeah?
Right.
Testosterone & other hormonal influences directly make men more muscular, more impulsive, & potentially more violent.
Men have higher testosterone which makes them more mascular, confident & sexual active.
Lower cortisol which has been linked to higher impulsivity
Men have lower mao which has been linked to higher violence & criminality.
Men have low dopamine which makes them more impulsive.
Men have higher histamine levels which makes them more stimulated, dominant minded & agressive
Men have higher thyroid levels which also can make them more dominant & agressive.
So you're saying that biology allows you to state that all men and women want the same things in life? Because, I'm sure you'd kill someone for a double cheeseburger, but I probably wouldn't.
Biological twins can have entirely different personalities. Stop overgeneralizing. Deal with people as individuals. Some women have a preference for older men. Some women are gold diggers. Does that mean that all women who like older men are gold diggers? I say no.
So you're saying that biology allows you to state that all men and women want the same things in life? Because, I'm sure you'd kill someone for a double cheeseburger, but I probably wouldn't.
Biological twins can have entirely different personalities. Stop overgeneralizing. Deal with people as individuals. Some women have a preference for older men. Some women are gold diggers. Does that mean that all women who like older men are gold diggers? I say no.
Yeah, biology with chemicals & hormones is the main thing that influence personalithy & what people like extensively.
Enviromental causes? Enviroment can potentially CHANGE BIOCHEMISTRY.
So essentially no matter what it is biochemistry at play. Merely the enviroment can change the biochemistry.
For example a person may gain lower serotonin levels from bad circumstances making them depressed.
But, there are many people even born into good houses that have lower serotonin levels.
In general it is the enviroment that can potentially change the biochemistry.
But in the end the baselinbe biochemistry is generally the dominant factor.
Which is why NO MATTER how much worse woman have had it in history they always have a lower tendency towards violence & crime.
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So you're saying that biology allows you to state that all men and women want the same things in life? Because, I'm sure you'd kill someone for a double cheeseburger, but I probably wouldn't.
Biological twins can have entirely different personalities. Stop overgeneralizing. Deal with people as individuals. Some women have a preference for older men. Some women are gold diggers. Does that mean that all women who like older men are gold diggers? I say no.
Why do you think men are generally more muscular?
For no reason at all?
It is so men can protect women & hunt ect. This is why men tend to watch more sports. This is why men tend to like & obsess over weapons more often.
It is pretty embarassing that we have to go over this 5 year old concept. Especially on an anthropology / genetic forum.
This should be the last place where people would think men are more muscular & masculine for just "Coincidence"
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Spoken like a tub of lard who's never had an actual relationship with a girl.
Many women in today's society are proud of their financial independence and don't want nor need a man to provide for her... but I'm sure you'll blame that on too much testosterone or something.
Spoken like a tub of lard who's never had an actual relationship with a girl.
Many women in today's society are proud of their financial independence and don't want nor need a man to provide for her... but I'm sure you'll blame that on too much testosterone or something.
Yeah this true to a point. But, at the same time women still like masculine take charge men who they feel are good providers.
Even in today's society women still care more about men being strong & a good provider than do men about women.
Likely quite a bit of the damages of divorce plaguing our society is from this confusion that the women's liberation movement has bought forward.
Look, man, I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, the problem is that you keep saying "women like this", and "men like this". What about guys who like masculine, loud black chicks or women who like scrawny East Asian men? Do they not exist?
You raise some valid points, but you'd be doing yourself and everyone a favor if you quit generalizing. One preference does not speak for all straight women, let alone all women.
Look, man, I'm not saying you're entirely wrong, the problem is that you keep saying "women like this", and "men like this". What about guys who like masculine, loud black chicks or women who like scrawny East Asian men? Do they not exist?
You raise some valid points, but you'd be doing yourself and everyone a favor if you quit generalizing. One preference does not speak for all straight women, let alone all women.
Yeah, they do exist. :whoco: Just like there are some women who have larger muscles & a deeper voice than some men.
:whoco:
A woman who likes a weak feminine man likely likes this due to the way their brain, wiring & biochemistry is setup.
For example I know a lesbian girl who is masculine. Her sister is into femine asian guys.
She is likely one step away from being a lesbian but likes east asian men because they are more feminine.
With east asian women? East Asia was very different. They do not seem to have as many predatory animals as did other continents.
Much of the east asian stock likely came through Central Asia. where they dealt with enviromental dire striaghts where intelligence & men being good fathers mattered more than men who were muscular macho protectors
...and feminine "lipstick" lesbians, oh wise one?
...and feminine "lipstick" lesbians, oh wise one?
It is complex.
women with higher testosterone prefer more masculine men but can also prefer more femininity.
I guess it depends on the proportions.
a femine lipstick lesbian likely would a low level of hormones.
Testosterone seems to have stronger effects than does estrogen. So a if a woman has both low testosterone & low estrogen she could be feminine but actually have higher testosterone.
Plus, I don't think it is the only thing in lesbianismn & gayness. I think some of it is likely the wiring & other things.
So you mean to say that there are outside conditions other than hormones.
Probably a good reason to treat people like individual human beings.
So you mean to say that there are outside conditions other than hormones.
Probably a good reason to treat people like individual human beings.
I mean there are other internal influences other than just testosterone & estrogen.
Yeah, enviroment can sometimes cause lesbianism. Such as if a girl was raped horribley at a young age.
Then there seem to be alot of bi sexual women. Alot of them are very feminine. It seems to often be more "emotional" As it seems women can fall in love easier & that includes with other women.
Anyways opposites do generally attract.
They do so for a reason. For opposites together can potentially get through a larger range of obstacles against their survival.
& Also tend to balance each other out in which help. Too much empathy or too much violence both would destruct.
Which is why an all male or all female planet would ultimately fail.
What one can't handle the other one should be able to handle. This is why the opposite pair is so powerful.
This is why we do have opposites attract especially in relationships for it does help to give us larger odds for survival.
"But, what is the allure of the bad boy? Let’s start with the obvious. They’re hot, mysterious, spontaneous, and exciting. You never know what you’re going to get, in every facet of this relationship, so it makes it kind of intriguing. But, probably the most important element is that they’re non-committal. That’s right. They don’t really ever commit to you, therefore you’re always chasing after them. The challenge! As women, we’re kind of wired to think that we can change anyone, and bad boys are no exception." Michelle at Girlfriends Planet
Even though a lot of bad boys have this dangerous appeal that draws women to them...I still think majority of women still want to date a nice guy who adores them. Some women are just masochists and they endure asshole behavior as much as they can and are convinced that 1. they couldn't find a replacement 2. they'd rather be in a bad relationship rather than be single 3. it's always been like this, in all the relationships they've been exposed to 4. they could change him. But if there's one thing I've learned...is that people don't change for others. They change for themselves!
I haven't read the thread. But here's my take:
There are two types of men, winners and losers. Winners always win in the long run. And losers always lose in the end. I don't think it's about being good or bad but about risk taking. Men who take more risk (whether it's about using violence or making business decisions) tend to win more than those who play it safe. You don't necessarily win more in the long run, but the individual payouts are much bigger.
And women, of course, will always prefer winners to losers. Even if the winners are treating them badly - for the simple reason that mating with a winner will give them an evolutionary advantage. My 2 cents, anyway.
I haven't read the thread. But here's my take:
There are two types of men, winners and losers. Winners always win in the long run. And losers always lose in the end. I don't think it's about being good or bad but about risk taking. Men who take more risk (whether it's about using violence or making business decisions) tend to win more than those who play it safe. You don't necessarily win more in the long run, but the individual payouts are much bigger.
And women, of course, will always prefer winners to losers. Even if the winners are treating them badly - for the simple reason that mating with a winner will give them an evolutionary advantage. My 2 cents, anyway.
Yeah risk takers are more likely to succeed & therefor provide for a woman.
Studies show men with higher tesotsterone levels took a higher risk level which made more money in the stock market.
Which shows why women prefer the risk taking male.
Sailor Ripley
2010-09-06, 01:11
I haven't read the thread. But here's my take:
There are two types of men, winners and losers. Winners always win in the long run. And losers always lose in the end. I don't think it's about being good or bad but about risk taking. Men who take more risk (whether it's about using violence or making business decisions) tend to win more than those who play it safe. You don't necessarily win more in the long run, but the individual payouts are much bigger.
And women, of course, will always prefer winners to losers. Even if the winners are treating them badly - for the simple reason that mating with a winner will give them an evolutionary advantage. My 2 cents, anyway.
Yes, it's well known truth but it has nothing to do with being bad or good boy.
Some women are into bad boys becouse serious lack of fathers hand in relationship with mommy. It causes lots of trouble.
Besides, women prefer guys who are much older. It's also a fact. Bad boys and generally all kinds of troublemakers, thugs bla bla in their teens and early twenties seem to get adult more quickly than Joe who attends to some church meetings and holding hands with mom and dad during meal prayer. But it's only my small concept.
In general I find annoying when typical middle class girl is into bad boys ;) Reminds me always this movie with De Niro and fag, "This Boys Life".
I am brand new to this forum and I am probably about to get my ass handed to me but here goes anyway.
When I was younger I played the mind games, went to bars and loved it. I liked the thrill of trying to one up the "bad boy" but also never considered having a lasting relationship with one either. I knew the game, knew what the "bad boy" stood for and although I liked to play the game with them it was never for more than a night or so! At that time I also lived in Las Vegas, where I believe game playing is typical, especially when you tend to party on the strip.
As I got older the game wasn't fun anymore and the challenge just wasn't worth it. I found I wanted something stable. I said farewell to the "bad boy" and found that what I wanted was a strong man. Not one who was going to fake being a dominate male, but rather was a dominate male. A man who understood what that meant. I thought it would be easy enough to find and it wasn't. Most men have no clue what that means.
In my experience men who tried to be dominate confused it with being mean or abusive, neither of which is attractive. Being a dominate male is not something that can be faked or pretended. Either you are or you are not.
Some would argue that my childhood is why I am attracted to what I am, who knows perhaps. I can financial support myself and all seven of my children if I need to. I do not need a man I want one. I am happy and content with my life.
To stay on topic I think that girls/women who are unsure of themselves, are immature or just plain want to play games. They are the ones who are going to be attracted to the “bad boys” of life. Until they are able to be secure with who they are they always will be the girl chasing after the “bad boy.”
omm 'e m.e.r.d.a.
2010-10-18, 01:13
I'm not sure it is "the bad boy" some women like, it is something else actually that attracts them that a "bad boy" has, or at least appears to have. A girl who is attracted to a dysfunctional, jerk, might be dysfunctional herself however, but that's not exactly what you mean by "bad boy" is it? I guess I'm agreeing with the quote.
When I think of "bad boy" I think of rebellion, challenges authority, and doesn't follow the niceties of society but rather plays by his own rules.
When I think of "bad boy" I don't think of a jerk or someone who is abusive and mean.
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