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Humata
2010-08-31, 05:25
This thread is intended as an advisory for genetic enthusiasts, as this site keeps cropping up on message boards despite a lack of support from credible forums or users.

The Genetic Atlas (http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/) has been used as a source by amateur genetic genealogists in the past few years.

The authors made the 'novel' decision of combining pseudo-anthropology terms with specific Y-DNA haplogroups and subclades. Presumably, this approach is favoured by anthropology fans who wish to pin specific phenotypes onto specific lineages.

One tremendous shortcoming with their approach is; The Genetic Atlas has invented its' own pseudo-anthropology terms. None of the established anthropologists used terms akin to "Meditid". Phrases like "Meditid" are typically found in lower-end amateur anthropology forums, blogs and Youtube pages (i.e. the cesspool of human knowledge).

Furthermore, The Genetic Atlas has erroneously showcased data for particular ethnic groups that does not exist.
They claim a paper was released by Yonan et al. (http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/study_yonan2009.htm) which investigated Y-DNA diversity in Assyrian communities. Several users, such as myself and the forum's biggest contributor to Assyrian genetics (Humanist) have searched in vain for it.
Instead of showing links to the article from PubMed or Springerlink, a Google search for "Yonan et al. Assyria" reveals common online chatter about this paper.
This paper does not exist and The Genetic Atlas has fabricated genetic information on Assyrians, which is dishonourable to say the least.

In addition to the Assyrian case, The Genetic Atlas have also cited papers which have absolutely nothing to do with Y-DNA.
They cite a study by Asadova et al. (http://dienekes.50webs.com/blog/archives/000433.html) from 2003 on Azeri ethnic groups. To quote part of the abstract;



In these populations gene frequency distributions for the immunological (AB0, MN, Rhesus-D, -C, -E, P, Lewis, and Kell-Chellano) and biochemical (HP, GC, C′3, TF, 6PGD, GLO1, ESD, ACP1, and PGM1) gene markers were determined


Immunological and biochemical markers are not typically found on the Y-Chromosome and there is no mention of Y-DNA STR's or SNP's. Clearly, this study was used to statistically "beef up" their citation list, giving their page a false impression of scientific authenticity.

Lastly, some members of another forum decided to investigate the site's management and discovered a connection with the largest nationalist forum on the Internet.

Considering the above, The Genetic Atlas is a horrendously inaccurate site which applies its' own self-invented anthropology terms and even fabricates its' own data.
Regardless of the intended purpose, any genetic enthusiast who wishes to learn more about Y-DNA diversity or use it as a source should stay well away.

Azvarohi
2010-08-31, 05:26
Neohumanid. :)

birko19
2010-08-31, 06:02
I would say Genetic Atlas and Eupedia.com are two sites that are dishonest and have fake information.

Aware_Dog
2010-08-31, 15:56
yea- 'The Genetic Atlas' = fuckin' joke, the only thing right they have is the already defined (http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk.html)YDNA phylogeny, everything else are add-ons done amateurishly with MSpaint , good on you for exposing those silly little nitwits....

Humanist
2010-08-31, 17:59
Crying shame that it is still used by many when referring to Assyrian Y-DNA.

I was still referring to it earlier this year as well! Thankfully folks such your yourself and Elias were there to correct me. Too bad Wikipedia and other sources still display these frequencies!!

Genetic Atlas Assyrian J1 = 41% (based on a phantom sample of 78)
FTDNA, 23andMe, Studies, etc., Assyrian J1 = 17% (n=59)

Semitic Duwa
2010-08-31, 18:02
Yes, it has to be pointed out (the yonan case); their Palestinian sampling also seems tricky.

Are they affiliated to Family Builder?

I also remember a SF member who actually used their terms... If anything, it destroys this site's credibility.

Humata
2010-08-31, 18:18
Spotted another falsification by them. Afghanistan has never been sampled because of the political climate. Wells and Firasat et al. looked at the territories around Afghanistan.

In addition, they claim to offer Free genetic testing (http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/free-dna-test.htm).

23andMe and FTDNA didn't need my passport... :whoco:


Crying shame that it is still used by many when referring to Assyrian Y-DNA.

I was still referring to it earlier this year as well! Thankfully folks such your yourself and Elias were there to correct me. Too bad Wikipedia and other sources still display these frequencies!!

Genetic Atlas Assyrian J1 = 41% (based on a phantom sample of 78)
FTDNA, 23andMe, Studies, etc., Assyrian J1 = 17% (n=59)

Indeed, it's a shame people are still referring back to those fictional figures. As far as I can tell, the Haplogroup T Wikipedia entry is one of the few that cites "Yonan et al.".

You'll also notice a discrepancy of sorts with this fake Yonan paper. There is absolutely no mention of it in their citations list, yet it's shown in the Y-World Frequencies (http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/World_Y-DNA.htm) page.

Whether they did this intentionally to reduce the ease at which their fraudulent behaviour is spotted, or whether it was an update bungle-up on their part, we can't be sure.



Are they affiliated to Family Builder?

That is a new advertisement of theirs. Before, they showcased links from Ancestry.com and also FTDNA, I believe. While it is free advertising, I doubt this dishonourable website received endorsements from the largest genetic genealogy firm in the world, considering their psuedo-racial take on Y-DNA haplogroups.

Pallantides
2010-08-31, 18:41
So only I's are Europid?


I'm Eurasid :thumbsup:

jibarodepr
2010-08-31, 18:47
I are the first Europeans, after neanderthal, the E and R came later.

Humanist
2010-08-31, 19:14
To further support the absurdity that is this Genetic Atlas:

FTDNA, Studies, etc. (59), Genetic Atlas ("78")
E1b 3%, 0%
F 2%, 0%
G 12%, 9%
I 2%, 0%
J1 17%, 41%
J2 15%, 14%
L 0%, 1%
N 2%, 0%
Q 2%, 0%
R1a 5%, 8%
R1b 25%, 23%
R2 3%, 0%
T 12%, 4%

Their J1 frequency is ~2.5x the rate observed otherwise. The T rate is 1/3x. The haplogroups with low frequencies are conveniently nonexistent.

EDIT: Adding King's J1 frequencies. If you will notice, King's J1 Assyrian frequency, when rounded to the nearest percent, matches my rate precisely.

Population (n=) J1(total) J1* J1c3

Sudan (Khartoum)(35) 74.29% 0.00% 74.29%
Yemen(62) 72.58% 4.84% 67.74%
Bedouin Negev(28) 67.86% 3.57% 64.29%
Ismaili Damascus(51) 58.82% 0.00% 58.82%
Qatar(72) 58.33% 1.39% 56.94%
Jordan(76) 48.68% 0.00% 48.68%
Sunni Hama(36) 47.22% 2.78% 44.44%
--------------------------------------
Oman(121) 38.02% 0.83% 37.19%
UAE(164) 34.76% 0.00% 34.76%
Saudi Arabia(12) 33.33% 0.00% 33.33%
Palestine(49) 32.65% 0.00% 32.65%
Alawites Syria(45) 26.67% 0.00% 26.67%
Iraq (Nassiriya)(56) 26.79% 1.79% 25.00%
Ethiopia Amhara(48) 29.17% 8.33% 20.83%
Egypt(147) 21.09% 1.36% 19.73%
Sudan-Arabic(35) 17.14% 0.00% 17.14%
Sednaya Syriac Catholic(14) 14.29% 0.00% 14.29%
Galilee Druze(172) 13.37% 1.16% 12.21%
Druzes Djebel Druze(34) 14.71% 2.94% 11.76%
Assyrians(114) 16.67% 10.53% 6.14%

Semitic Duwa
2010-09-01, 13:33
That is a new advertisement of theirs. Before, they showcased links from Ancestry.com and also FTDNA, I believe. While it is free advertising, I doubt this dishonourable website received endorsements from the largest genetic genealogy firm in the world, considering their psuedo-racial take on Y-DNA haplogroups.

Hmmmm, I knew about Ancestry.com but not about FTDNA... Interesting.

Humata
2010-12-07, 18:51
Further evidence of the Genetic Atlas' false content has been revealed today.

Here (http://www.thegeneticatlas.com/), they cite L-M20 and T-M70 as downstream to an LT-Z1.

According to ISOGG's 2009 SNP list (http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index09.html), Z1 is an invalid marker, as it isn't there.

Same applies with the 2008 (http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index08.html), 2007 (http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index07.html) and 2006 (http://isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNA_SNP_Index06.html) SNP indexes.

In case Google was more informed than ISOGG (firmly tongue-in-cheek), this Google search for LT-Z1 (http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=LT-Z1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=e1873af33f33b12) shows that only The Genetic Atlas utilizes this fictional SNP. The only other mention of LT-Z1 is on amateur race forums (including this one).

Thus, the Genetic Atlas is also fabricating their SNP information as well as the pseudo-anthropometric terms and studies they use.

Yet another reason to ignore this site's tomfoolery.

Unome
2010-12-07, 22:15
Anybody have an updated version?

Or is this it?

Humata
2010-12-07, 22:37
As far as I can tell, the site has remained the same since this thread was made.