The most fierce tribe in Northern America

[Karl der Große]

Was it the Apache, Mowhawk, Mohicans, Blackfeet, Tupis, Iriquois, Mayas, Huron, Siox, Chumash or Aztec? Who fought the Europeans with greater determination?

[Matematik]

English.

[voyager]

Scotch-Irish who protected the English and Pennsylvania Dutch (Germans) from the native Americans along the frontier.

[JaM]

The Tlingit fought the Ruskies, that must count for something?

[ghostface]

Scotch-Irish who protected the English and Pennsylvania Dutch (Germans) from the native Americans along the frontier.

reposting this:

Read a little more into it, the border areas (i.e the Appalachians) were hardly majority Scottish, in fact there may be more German blood there in total, from the Palatine mainly. The Amish, or the Pennsylvania Dutch are a relic of these people who emigrated to western Pennsylvania, west Virginia and parts of Ohio and upstate New York in the late 16 and early 1700's.

Plenty of English colonist migrated westward as well, and no one in the colonies went through more hardships then the original Virginia colonists who were nearly wiped out several times before 1630. Entirely wiped out in fact at the Roanoke colony in around 1570


on the native side my answer goes to the Shawnee, Tecumseh was one

[Boots]

I vote for
Susquahonnoc for shear power and strength and the fear they caused just by their exsistance .
Shawnee for determination

then Tuscarora/Algonquin/Siouan really all tribes of VA for determination and giving it their all every conflict over and over again. and to the thousands of these who went into slavery and lost everything for that fight.

[alfieb]

The Sioux.

[elone]

the soiux and the apache held out the longest,along with the comanche and kiowa and cheyenne.those were all badasses.apaches were crazy with the knife game i heard...


but its all relative.most of the plains tribes were more warlike probably because they chased buffalo and that lead into them bumping into alot of other tribes,the comance for instance were enemies with about every tribe they came in contact with because they were nomadic and ended up crossing into alot of other tribal territories.





the most brutal people on earth are probably english people.they got quite a long history of pushing peoples off their lands and taking over resources...

[Tyrannical]

Brazil is South America, but I would have to give the title of fiercest people to the Yanomamo.


http://howardbloom.net/chimpanzees_and_romans.htm


In the rain forests near the Amazon live a people called the Yanomamo. Their ethnographer, Napoleon Chagnon, calls them "the fierce people." They pride themselves on their cruelty, glorying in it so enthusiastically that they make a great show of beating their wives. And the wives are as much a part of this viciousness as the husbands. A spouse who does not carry enough scars from her husband's blows feels rejected and complains miserably about her unbruised condition. It is a sign, she is certain, that her husband does not love her.

Yanomamo men have two great sports--hunting and war. The patterns of their warfare bear a strange resemblance to those of the langur. Yanomamo men sneak up on a neighboring village and attack. If they are successful, they kill or chase away the men. They leave the sexually-capable young women unharmed. But they move methodically through the lean-to-like homes, grabbing babies from the screaming captives. Like the langurs, the Yanomamo men beat these infants against the ground, bash their brains out on the rocks, and make the footpaths wet with babies' blood. They spear the older children with the sharp ends of their bows, pinning their quivering bodies to the ground. Others they simply throw from the edge of a cliff.

To the Yanomamo, this is an exhilarating entertainment. They brag and boast as they smash fresh newborns against the stones. When the winning warriors have finished, not a single suckling child remains. Then the triumphant Yanomamo men lead the captured women back to a new life as secondary wives. No wonder the Yanomamo word for marriage means "dragging something away."

[Multilingual]

Sioux Indians - n. america
Patagonian Indians - s.america
Yanomamo - today

[cadwallon]

The Aztecs were obviously a good candidate, in terms of their pre-European contact conquests, only thing is that made the conquered peoples butthurt so by the time the Spanish came the Spaniards had some native allies plus the disease factor the Aztecs didn't get to put up as good of a fight as the could have (I'd shit my pants if I saw a dude chasing after me with an obsidian bladed weapon while I'm trying to fumble a muzzle loader, would have been better to use those early Spanish firearms as clubs :p).

Heard the Cheyenne Dog Soldiers were pretty tough.

[pgbk87]

:whoco: Plain and simple - The MAYA............

- The Ancient temples and ruins
- The writing and numerical system
- Most have never been fully conquered by the Spanish or English, they were just Christianized
- Still running 7 million strong
- Did you see "Apocalypto"?....;)

This is really no contest...:confused:

[Kaiku]

:whoco: Plain and simple - The MAYA............

- The Ancient temples and ruins
- The writing and numerical system
- Most have never been fully conquered by the Spanish or English, they were just Christianized
- Still running 7 million strong
- Did you see "Apocalypto"?....;)

This is really no contest...:confused:

I´m just gonna say LOL and leave it at that.

[Unome]

People seemed to have misread the Northern Amerika title of this thread… :lol:

According to my Grade School education, which is dubious knowledge, Apache and Mohawks were the most 'savage' of the "Noble Savages".

[Semitic Duwa]

Zee dj00z

[cadwallon]

People seemed to have misread the Northern Amerika title of this thread… :lol:

Did not catch that myself. :p (I did technically include a Northern American tribe in my post the Cheyenne).

[Crypto]

Brazil is South America, but I would have to give the title of fiercest people to the Yanomamo.


http://howardbloom.net/chimpanzees_and_romans.htm

Hully Shiet! :sick: Thanks God the Portuguese kill them all. I don't know about the North, but in South America the bravest ones were the Araucanos, from the Patagonia and the southern regions. Some of their best-known leaders were Lautaro and Caupolican. Caupolican was so feared that the Spaniards, after capturing him, executed the man from a far away distance, using arrows. He became chief by holding a tree on his back a whole day and a whole night (you needed to surpase a strenght contest to become king).
I once saw an Araucan armor (it's made of leather) in a museum. It's height was approximately like mine (I am 5'11), but his back was hughe, like a Schwarzeneger kind of stuff.

[Arminfrench]

All of the mentioned where very brave with no exception, but I would say the most disciplined were the aztecs.

And Apache maybe weren't the bravest but sure were the thoughtest of them all.

They were just like special forces units, trained to fight under the most adverse circumstances.

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Hully Shiet! :sick: Thanks God the Portuguese kill them all. I don't know about the North, but in South America the bravest ones were the Araucanos, from the Patagonia and the southern regions. Some of their best-known leaders were Lautaro and Caupolican. Caupolican was so feared that the Spaniards, after capturing him, executed the man from a far away distance, using arrows. He became chief by holding a tree on his back a whole day and a whole night (you needed to surpase a strenght contest to become king).
I once saw an Araucan armor (it's made of leather) in a museum. It's height was approximately like mine (I am 5'11), but his back was hughe, like a Schwarzeneger kind of stuff.

Very interesting!!! didn't know that fact.

[elone]

in the end i dont think it really matters,most of them were killed off by diseases and superior weaponry in the form of cannons and rifles(civil war era,before that rifles sucked). it sucks though,i feel bad for them really.but comanches and apaches were probably the fiercest,along with souix and cheyenne.i dont know much about the other tribes,all my knowledge about NA's is about the plains indians.


i read somewhere in a book about indian sign language that the symbol for the name of the souix had to do with decapitation.dont quote me on it because i saw this book in middle school and i cant speak on its accuracy..
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has anyone else heard about the term for decapitation being referrenced when referring to the sioux by other tribes??

[Annawon]

Was it the Apache, Mowhawk, Mohicans, Blackfeet, Tupis, Iriquois, Mayas, Huron, Siox, Chumash or Aztec? Who fought the Europeans with greater determination?

The Powhatan fought all together a 17year war against the English. I'm guessing that was the longest.

Anglo-Powhatan Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Powhatan_Wars

[El Andullero]

The aztecs. Nothing can top an empire. It took the combined might of the spaniards + the other mexican tribes to bring them down.

[Gungnir]

I'll go with the Lakota Sioux.

[pgbk87]

The aztecs. Nothing can top an empire. It took the combined might of the spaniards + the other mexican tribes to bring them down.

Plain and simple - The MAYA............

- The Ancient temples and ruins
- The writing and numerical system
- Most have never been fully conquered by the Spanish or English, they were just Christianized
- Still running 7 million strong
- Did you see "Apocalypto"?....

This is really no contest...

[El Andullero]

Plain and simple - The MAYA............

- The Ancient temples and ruins



The aztecs have those, too. Can any mayan city be compared with Tenochtitlan?




- The writing and numerical system



The aztecs also had that. Have you seen their calendar?




- Most have never been fully conquered by the Spanish or English, they were just Christianized



They're second class citizens in their country today, so that is simply not true. If they wouldn't have been really conquered, Guatemala would speak mayan instead of spanish, and wouldn't have been genocided by the dictatorships that the white elite have imposed on them time and again, specially the one of Efrain Rios Montt. Plus, Guatemala would have the entire Yucatan peninsula as part of its territory instead of suffering the majority of it being part of Mexico or the existence of Belize, as it is the case today. That country needs some of the same mold as Lautaro/Caupolican like the south american mapuches had, not a Rigoberta Menchu.




- Still running 7 million strong



This mean zilch when you're under the boots of a foreign descended elite and multinationals.




- Did you see "Apocalypto"?....



Yes, and I wasn't impressed.




This is really no contest...

Agreed.

[Arminfrench]

The Powhatan fought all together a 17year war against the English. I'm guessing that was the longest.

Anglo-Powhatan Wars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Powhatan_Wars

The aztecs fought to the death.

[Annawon]

The aztecs fought to the death.

Like the Powhatan didn't? Come on dude. So I guess there were no Aztec survivors :whoco:

[Arminfrench]

Like the Powhatan didn't? Come on dude. So I guess there were no Aztec survivors :whoco:

Its a general believe that the modern Mexicans are the "aztecs descendants" however thats pretty far from reality.

In first place there's a general misconception regarding that the modern amerind and mexican mestizo descends from the aztecs and in fact they can be descendants of many other native ethnicities but the aztecs.

The aztec was an ethnicity that came to the central valley of mexico proceeding from the north of the country so they had been of a margid and pacifid admix, once in the central valley they mixed with other ethnicities mainly of zentralid origin, such mix gave place to a new ethnicity:the Mexica, the real name for the aztecs.

The mexica empire got exterminated and all those belonging to such ethnicity got killed during Tenochtitlan seige(chicken pox epidemia and the war itself for warriors prefered to die en combat than surrender), the remains of their people, mainly few women and children and elder left to the nierby villages and got blended in them some other got mix with spaniards, but they were in fact very few who survive.

Now if you see a mexican indian or mestizo who says he's an aztec descendant you can laugh in his face cause he could descend of many other tribes but Aztecs who got extincted or assimilated.

[jibarodepr]

Yanomamo - todayThey are the Taino distant relatives, as the MTDNA C Comes from them.

[Tenochkatl]

The Aztec/Mexica were originally nomads from modern-day northwestern Mexico/southwestern U.S. who adopted cultural traits extensively from the thousands of years old Mesoamerican sedentary traditions (mostly from the Toltecs, who had significant cultural exchange with the Mayan city-states further east) and expanded upon settling in the Valley of Mexico.

You could draw analogies between the Aztecs' ancestors and Central/Northeast Asian horsemen like the Manchus in China and the Turks of Anatolia in that they were nomadic 'barbarians' who established themselves as the dominant hegemonic force in their respective regions but became 'acculturated' by the peoples they conquered at the same time by adopting, preserving, and expanding upon the existing cultural continuity of the classic and early post-classic Mesoamerican civilizations a large extent. The reign of Ahuitzotl (1486-1502) in particular was a period of increased growth and expansion.

Now back to the main topic, the Spaniards had a very hard time subdueing the northern Mexican tribes, they never achieved full control over many of them. Some of groups who eventually accepted some degree of colonial influence like the Mayo, Yaqui, and Pima of Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Sonora (Uto-Aztecan speakers like the Aztecs, albeit of a different branch), who revolted against the Vicerroyalty in several occasions to preserve their autonomy. These groups, particularly the Yaquis, remained fiercely independent in their mindset after Mexico was no longer under colonial rule and had violent clashes with Mexican authorities frequently throughout the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century.

[pgbk87]

The Aztec/Mexica were originally nomads from modern-day northwestern Mexico/southwestern U.S. who adopted cultural traits extensively from the thousands of years old Mesoamerican sedentary traditions (mostly from the Toltecs, who had significant cultural exchange with the Mayan city-states further east) and expanded upon settling in the Valley of Mexico.

You could draw analogies between the Aztecs' ancestors and Central/Northeast Asian horsemen like the Manchus in China and the Turks of Anatolia in that they were nomadic 'barbarians' who established themselves as the dominant hegemonic force in their respective regions but became 'acculturated' by the peoples they conquered at the same time by adopting, preserving, and expanding upon the existing cultural continuity of the classic and early post-classic Mesoamerican civilizations a large extent. The reign of Ahuitzotl (1486-1502) in particular was a period of increased growth and expansion.

Now back to the main topic, the Spaniards had a very hard time subdueing the northern Mexican tribes, they never achieved full control over many of them. Some of groups who eventually accepted some degree of colonial influence like the Mayo, Yaqui, and Pima of Chihuahua, Sinaloa and Sonora (Uto-Aztecan speakers like the Aztecs, albeit of a different branch), who revolted against the Vicerroyalty in several occasions to preserve their autonomy. These groups, particularly the Yaquis, remained fiercely independent in their mindset after Mexico was no longer under colonial rule and had violent clashes with Mexican authorities frequently throughout the 19th century and the first half of the 20th century.

Who held it down better, the Maya the Aztec, or the Inca???

I think the Maya....

Tulum, Tikal, Xunantunich, Caracol, Cahal Pech, Lamanai, Chichen Itza & Copan... Spread out through 5 Modern countries..Nuff said....

[jibarodepr]

Also Mayans sem to be more into technology than the other two.

[JaM]

Who held it down better, the Maya the Aztec, or the Inca???

I think the Maya....

Tulum, Tikal, Xunantunich, Caracol, Cahal Pech, Lamanai, Chichen Itza & Copan... Spread out through 5 Modern countries..Nuff said....

I would clearly had said Mayans If they had been North Americans, and if the question was about favorite, or most advanced people in the Americas. However, I don't think the Mayans were any more fierce than others. Their wars were very ritualistic - it was basically the elites who fought each others.

I still go with the NW tribes, since they fought the Russians directly. They were also rather more advanced in some ways than many of the other NA peoples.

[jibarodepr]

Was it the Apache, Mowhawk, Mohicans, Blackfeet, Tupis, Iriquois, Mayas, Huron, Siox, Chumash or Aztec? Who fought the Europeans with greater determination?Of all?I say the Caribs.

[Cuetlachtli57]

Are the nahua peoples of puebla closely related to the aztecs?.. or is it the same tribe?

[Cuetlachtli57]

Of all?I say the Caribs.

Caribs don't stand a chance,