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It is quite interesting. In ancient or medieval ages we called people moving from one area to another "settlers" and suddenly over time we started calling them "immigrants". what's the difference? Where did the change happen and how?
I think one difference is that in ancient times those places where people settled were either empty or quite low populated, where as in modern times people usually immigrate into more developed densely populated places.
yeah its all true, but still- e.g. in theory borders in Europe were established way over 1k years ago, but still 200 or 300 years ago people were settlers. I will not mention (even though I am mentioning) USA, where "settlers" stole the land from Native people and soon started calling the next ones immigrants.
A European man in XIX century came to USA as a "settler" and he claimed his right to do so, 200 years later a Mexican man wants to come and is illegal immigrant, nearly criminal.
I know it is a bit academic discussion, but still shows something about us people.
It is quite interesting. In ancient or medieval ages we called people moving from one area to another "settlers" and suddenly over time we started calling them "immigrants". what's the difference? Where did the change happen and how?
A settler is a person who move to set thier culture and way of living on a place, an inmigrant is anyone who comes to live on an already settled place.
A settler is a person who move to set thier culture and way of living on a place, an inmigrant is anyone who comes to live on an already settled place.
Yes, but have there ever been really places which had no residents, apart from the beginning of mankind?
Anyway, let's take your path and go down it- why Mexicans cannot settle in the USA? There are lots of free land in Utah or Nevada or Arizona, why cant they just take this bit of land as it used to be over centuries? Why cannot they tick a box settler instead of immigrant when come to US?
I am provoking a bit here, but its still true in a way.
It is quite interesting. In ancient or medieval ages we called people moving from one area to another "settlers" and suddenly over time we started calling them "immigrants". what's the difference? Where did the change happen and how?
Romans -and subsequently romance speakers- used the word "immigrantes" and "migratio" to designate population movements.
Immigratio: they come
Emigratio: they go
Migratio: they move
back then alot of places werent established as nations and had set borders or governing bodies,where as now we do.when people settled the frontiers no one was really outthere it was just wilderness.now that our governments have a wider reach over the nation,if you come here you are immigrants,because youve migrated to an already established place.as opposed to just settin up shop in the middle of no where...
Yes but dont forget that when Europeans came to the US (or North America that time) they met American Indians, who had been there before, so the Indians owned the land and in fact Europeans were immigrants. Then they f... off the RedSkins and took over all the land and forgot that they were immigrants themselves.
yeah its all true, but still- e.g. in theory borders in Europe were established way over 1k years ago, but still 200 or 300 years ago people were settlers. I will not mention (even though I am mentioning) USA, where "settlers" stole the land from Native people and soon started calling the next ones immigrants.
A European man in XIX century came to USA as a "settler" and he claimed his right to do so, 200 years later a Mexican man wants to come and is illegal immigrant, nearly criminal.
I know it is a bit academic discussion, but still shows something about us people.
maybe because at the time the euro's were claiming land that was until that point unclaimed,atleast by any recognized government,so it was up for the taking so to speak,even though indian folks had it first.today though we have settled all or most of the areas,and what isnt settled is still within the boundaries of the county,state,federal borders so if you cant really claim your settling it can you?
thats the point of conquest,they claim the land and set up shop,after which anyone who comes in is an immigrant.
I just thought...
) USA, where "settlers" stole the land from Native people and soon started calling the next ones immigrants.
Originally Posted by Kwestos
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