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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Would you say that R1a-Z284+ Pole has medieval Viking ancestry (or maybe recent Danish?), or is he an actual ancestral proto-Nordic Pole? Personally I think Swedish R1a-M458+ corroborates that the proto-Germanics came from Poland.
    The Polish Z284 could be anything really, but it actually comes from near a settlement that looks Scandinavian based on archeology and stable isotopes. I wrote about it here.

    Polish "Goths" enjoyed their millet, while Polish "Vikings" did not

    The M458 in Scandinavia most likely comes from two main sources: Obodrite Slavic settlers on what eventually became the Danish islands, and Swedish Pomeranian migrants to Sweden, with names like Von Sydow or Von Below (note the ~ow ending, same as Russian ~ov).

    I wouldn't call any of the R1a in Poland proto-Germanic. But the Polish Y2395+ might well be proto-Nordic Bronze Age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    The Polish Z284 could be anything really, but it actually comes from near a settlement that looks Scandinavian based on archeology and stable isotopes. I wrote about it here.

    Polish "Goths" enjoyed their millet, while Polish "Vikings" did not

    The M458 in Scandinavia most likely comes from two main sources: Obodrite Slavic settlers on what eventually became the Danish islands, and Swedish Pomeranian migrants to Sweden, with names like Von Sydow or Von Below (note the ~ow ending, same as Russian ~ov).
    Yeah that seems correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polako View Post
    I wouldn't call any of the R1a in Poland proto-Germanic. But the Polish Y2395+ might well be proto-Nordic Bronze Age.
    Which should make the Polish R1a-Y2395+/Z284-, pre-proto-Germanic and Scandinavian Z284+, proto-Germanic, see Jaska's post here:

    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...l=1#post647149

    This leaves up the possibility that modern German R1a-L664+ could be proto-Celtic, imho.
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    My brother just has been found to be Y2395 & as a child I was told that they thought my dad's line was German. Will wait for additional SNP's downstream as he has been negative so far for Z284, M458, Z280 & F3462,

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    If anyone is interested in in advanced y-dna testing, Full Genomes Corp (FGC) is offering a product that is slightly cheaper than FTDNA's BigY, but offers more results. Here is a summary of the product. It is currently on sale: http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07...ime-new-y.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by muso View Post
    The thing that I find interesting about deep y-dna tests such as the Big Y, is that it may help to develop a picture of what groups of people, or tribes if you will, are associated with the newly found sub-groups. And this is occurring very quickly. As late as 2009, M-458 was discovered. Then two branches were found off of M-458, L260 and L1029. Now, there are multiple branches off of these two. For example, new branches or sub-groups off of L1029 include YP443 - found basically in Britain; YP263 - appears to be Central Europe, especially the German-Polish border area; YP416 - north/central Poland through Belarus, to date; and YP417 - eastern Europe, covering matches who currently live in Russia, the Ukraine, Slovakia and Bulgaria. In communicating with a few experts on the topic, they are postulating that these divisions took place all in one area - likely whatever place is the homeland for the Slavs. There are even further branches (SNPs) that have been found off of these branches. Given the current geographical location of the people identified, it appears that each major sub-group (YP443, YP263, etc.) moved a as a tribe or clan into a particular area. So, this could end up being associated with the various tribes who spread out during the Migration period.
    From what I understand, both L1029 and L260 both appear to predate the Slavic expansions that took place around 500 AD (I believe they are both estimated to be 2400 to 2700 years old?). If this is the case, then shouldn't we expect at least some of the subclades of these two groups to have spread out before the slavs?

    I understand that it is still debated whether or not the przeworsk/wielbark cultures carried any M458+, but if they did then I would imagine at least a few lineages would have survived on to today?

    Also, has anyone else noticed that of the 13 Big-Y results for L260, 10 appear to be YP254+?

    Over at the Molgen.org forum, Michał Milewski calculated that each non-yfull snp represented approximately 150 years. If that is ture, then YP254 would be 1755 years old. ((8+9+10+12/4)x180). The age and distribution of that subclade looks to perfectly fit with the expansion of the slavs right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    From what I understand, both L1029 and L260 both appear to predate the Slavic expansions that took place around 500 AD (I believe they are both estimated to be 2400 to 2700 years old?). If this is the case, then shouldn't we expect at least some of the subclades of these two groups to have spread out before the slavs?

    I understand that it is still debated whether or not the przeworsk/wielbark cultures carried any M458+, but if they did then I would imagine at least a few lineages would have survived on to today?

    Also, has anyone else noticed that of the 13 Big-Y results for L260, 10 appear to be YP254+?

    Over at the Molgen.org forum, Michał Milewski calculated that each non-yfull snp represented approximately 150 years. If that is ture, then YP254 would be 1755 years old. ((8+9+10+12/4)x180). The age and distribution of that subclade looks to perfectly fit with the expansion of the slavs right?
    I have communicated numerous times with Michał Milewski and I greatly respect his opinion. However, I have seen estimates by other the place the emergence of L1029 and L260 at the start of the Common Era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muso View Post
    I have communicated numerous times with Michał Milewski and I greatly respect his opinion. However, I have seen estimates by other the place the emergence of L1029 and L260 at the start of the Common Era.
    I wasn't aware of any other age estimations for L1029/L260? Could you link some... I would really like to check them out

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    Lappa just posted this at Molgen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent.B View Post
    I wasn't aware of any other age estimations for L1029/L260? Could you link some... I would really like to check them out
    In conversations with Lappa. I was going to give you the link to English Molgen, http://eng.molgen.org/viewtopic.php?...=1460&start=90. It is the same image that David just posted above. If you view this you will see Lappa's age estimation is around the start of the Common Era. You will also note that L1029 then branches of into numerous lines or branches around 250 or 300 C.E. according to Lappa. This would put these branches in line for the Slavic expansion, as this explosion of various tribes starts just before the Great Migration period. For me, it is always exciting to see the genetic and historical record support each other.

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    Thanks!

    I wonder how they calculated that though? IIRC, I remember Lappa (on the M458 FB page and Molgen.org) saying how the Big-Y calculations of Michał Milewski are correct and matched with the STR age calculations for L1029/L260 (that is, 2300-2700 years).

    I wonder what has changed?

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