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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    Semantics is important when discussing linguistics. Mbugu is a mixed/hybrid language, Lithuanian and Pashto are most definitely not mixed languages.
    Maybe not in the same way those languages are but Indo Iranian and Baltic languages are mixed. If more than a few of their words come from unrelated language families and are not continuous from the PIE ancestor they are mixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    Maybe not in the same way those languages are but Indo Iranian and Baltic languages are mixed. If more than a few of their words come from unrelated language families and are not continuous from the PIE ancestor they are mixed.
    Then pretty much every language that has been spoken can be labeled "mixed", including PIE. That's an extreme criterion.
    لأَنَّ فِي كَثْـــرَةِ الْحِكْمَةِ كَثْـــرَةُ الْغَمِّ
    وَالَّذِي يَزِيـــدُ عِلْماً يَزِيـــدُ حُزْناً



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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    Then pretty much every language that has been spoken can be labeled "mixed", including PIE. That's an extreme criterion.
    I agree. though i dont think its extreme. If only 50% of Greek words are continous from PIE i dont see how u dont call Greek a mixed language. If ur child was half Jewish but also had a japanese mother i would call ur child mixed. Either way the cut off point seems pretty subjective to me regarding how mainstream linguists would classify a language as mixed or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    I agree. though i dont think its extreme. If only 50% of Greek words are continous to PIE i dont see how u dont call Greek a mixed language. If ur child was half Jewish but also had a japanese mother i would call ur child mixed. Either way the cut off point seems pretty subjective to me
    The problem here is that you're equating linguistic phylogenies with genetic ones, this is invalid as they do not work the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Semitic Duwa View Post
    The problem here is that you're equating linguistic phylogenies with genetic ones, this is invalid as they do not work the same way.
    So Greek with 50% of its words not going back to the proto Indo-European ancestor, but instead stemming from the pre IE Aegean farmers and other contacts from the East Mediterranean in ur mind is an unmixed language? now thats what i call extreme..not to mention nonsensical and just plain wrong. Thats really all i have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Hades View Post
    So Greek with 50% of its words not going back to the proto Indo-European ancestor, but instead stemming from the pre IE Aegean farmers and other contacts from the East Mediterranean in ur mind is an unmixed language? now thats what i call extreme..not to mention nonsensical and just plain wrong. Thats really all i have to say.
    Greek firmly remains an IE language from a morphological standpoint, it is therefore not a mixed language. I think you're putting too much weight on the lexicon here, which is not that useful when classifying a language. If you were talking solely about the vocabulary, then sure, I'd agree that Greek is one of the branches of IE that has absorbed one of the greatest chunks of non-IE vocabulary (Germanic is a close contender), but that's not what you're doing, you're drawing conclusions on the whole language judging from the vocabulary.
    لأَنَّ فِي كَثْـــرَةِ الْحِكْمَةِ كَثْـــرَةُ الْغَمِّ
    وَالَّذِي يَزِيـــدُ عِلْماً يَزِيـــدُ حُزْناً



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