Relative finder mtDNA G2a cousins..

**evon** · 2011-05-02, 13:25

I have been trying to figure out where my cousins with G2a come from, so far the most likely clue is Tatars as the only one of my cousins with this maternal line whom has accepted my invite is a Tatar from Russia..

anyone have data on maternal G2a or just mtDNA G's in general?

here are my uncles cousins (i have also included some others whom might have similar origins, only using my uncle matches):

Maternal Haplogroup H1c (Russian)
3rd to 7th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1741 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup G2a (central Asia?)
3rd to 5th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1801 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup R1a (Central Asian/Indian?)
Paternal Haplogroup R1a1a*
3rd to 6th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1771 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup U3b1 (Central Asian/Russia?)
Paternal Haplogroup R1a1a*
3rd to 7th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1741 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup G2a (Central Asia?)
3rd to 9th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1681 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup C4 (US/Central Asian?)
3rd to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup U7 (Iranian/Central Asian/Mid eastern?)
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Maternal Haplogroup N9a2a'b (east Asian/Central Asian?)
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Maternal Haplogroup T1a (Russian Armenian)
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Maternal Haplogroup G2a (Russian Tatar)
Paternal Haplogroup R1a1a*
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

any help would be great as i am quite lost due to the lack of information on these mtDNA lines...

i did find a small community of Tatars living in Finland since the 1800's, but i am sceptical about that as it seems too soon?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Tatars

**Ad space** · 2011-05-02 13:25

**evon** · 2011-05-02, 15:47

no eastern Europeans, Iranians, Indians, Turks, Balkanise forum members who have cousins with mtDNA G2a?

**Pallantides** · 2011-05-02, 19:46

I have two cousins with mtDNA G2a
g2a.jpg

**evon** · 2011-05-02, 20:00

some info regarding the various mtDNA and YDNA lines of these cousins:

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/origin...europe.shtml#R :

Haplogroup R (mtDNA)

Haplogroup R is the main subclade of N, the one that was to generate the 6 most common European haplogroups (H, V, J, T, U, K). At the time of writing R subclades were numbered from R0 (a.k.a. pre-HV) to R31. Most of them are found in South Asia (R5, R6, R7, R8, R30, R31), Southeast Asia (R9, R21, R22, R24), East Asia (R9/F, R11/B), and even among Papuans (R14) and Australian aborigenes (R12). R0a peaks in the southern Arabian peninsula is common among Arabs and Middle-Easterners. R1a (not to be confused with the homonymous Y-chromosome haplogroup) is found among the Adygei people from the North Caucasus (related to the Maykop culture => see R1b section), Brahmins from northern India, northwestern Russians and Poles - basically all people closely related with the Indo-European expansion. R2 is found from northwest India and Pakistan to Iran, Georgia and Turkey. It could be connected to the Indo-Iranians.

i guess mine are from the Caucasus then, makes sense..

-Maternal Haplogroup R1a
Paternal Haplogroup R1a1a*
3rd to 6th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1771 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup R1a
Paternal Haplogroup G2a5
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

Haplogroup U2 is found primarily in South Asia, but probably is of Indo-European origin as it is found at low frequencies throughout the Pontic-Caspian steppe and has been identified in a 30,000 year-old Cro-Magnon from the middle Don valley in Russia. It might have been the dominant haplogroup of the northern forest-steppe foragers who later became the Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers (see R1a above) and moved massively to Central and South Asia.

Maternal uncle:

-Maternal Haplogroup U2e1
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a1d*
3rd to 5th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1801 and 1901.

Paternal aunt:

-Maternal Haplogroup U2e1a
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a1d*
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Maternal Haplogroup U2e1 (Russian)
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

Haplogroup W (mtDNA)
Present at low frequencies in most of Europe, in Anatolia, around the Caspian Sea, and from the Indo-Pakistani border to Xinjiang, haplogroup W is one of the best maternal markers of Indo-European ancestry (mtDNA equivalent of R1a and R1b). Its highest frequency is in Ukraine, European Russia, Baltic countries and Finland (3 to 5% overall), as well as in northern Pakistan (15%), Punjab (9%) and Gujarat (12%). In Indian it is considerably more common among the upper castes and among Indo-European speakers (source).

i have allot of W's, but i though it was typical norwegian? here are my W cousins:

mine:

-Maternal Haplogroup W
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f2
3rd to 7th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1741 and 1901.

-Norway
Maternal Haplogroup W3a
3rd to 7th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1741 and 1901.

-Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup W4
3rd to 8th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1711 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup W
3rd to 8th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1711 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup W3a
3rd to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1901.

-Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup W3
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f*
3rd to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup W1a
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

Paternal aunt:

-Maternal Haplogroup W
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup W4
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Norway
Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup W1c
Paternal Haplogroup I2b1
3rd to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1901.

-Norway
Maternal Haplogroup W3a
3rd to 5th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1801 and 1901.

Maternal uncle:

-Maternal Haplogroup W1
Paternal Haplogroup J2a1b*
3rd to 5th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1801 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup W1
Paternal Haplogroup I1*
3rd to 9th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1681 and 1901.

-Northern European ancestry
Maternal Haplogroup W3
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f*
3rd to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1901.

-Maternal Haplogroup W
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

-Maternal Haplogroup W1a
4th to 10th Cousin
Estimated that your common ancestor was born between 1651 and 1871.

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---------- Post added 2011-05-02 at 21:04 ----------

Originally Posted by Pallantides

I have two cousins with mtDNA G2a
g2a.jpg

you should try the chrome extension, it also gives you cm length of your shared segment..

http://23pp.david-web.co.uk/

one of my G2a's are over 34cm, too bad they have not filled out the ancestry finder questions

**Pallantides** · 2011-05-02, 20:12

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_G_(mtDNA)

It is an East Asian haplogroup.[4] Today, haplogroup G is found at its highest frequency in northeastern Siberia (Itelmens,Koryaks etc.)[3] Haplogroup G is also found at lower frequency among some populations of East Asia, Central Asia, Bangladesh[citation needed] and Nepal. However, unlike other mitochondrial DNA haplogroups typical of populations of northeastern Asia, such as haplogroup A, haplogroup C, and haplogroup D, haplogroup G has not been found among indigenous peoples of the Americas.

**Ashina** · 2011-05-02, 20:38

Originally Posted by evon

no eastern Europeans, Iranians, Indians, Turks, Balkanise forum members who have cousins with mtDNA G2a?

My father has one cousin with mtDNA G2a but he didn't respond to my invite.

Male
Maternal Haplogroup G3a2
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f

*Oh wait, it's G3a, not G2a.

**evon** · 2011-05-02, 21:34

Originally Posted by Ashina

My father has one cousin with mtDNA G2a but he didn't respond to my invite.

Male
Maternal Haplogroup G3a2
Paternal Haplogroup R1b1b2a1a2f

*Oh wait, it's G3a, not G2a.

it seems to also be east Asian in origin (very good page to determine origin of mtDNA):

http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_..._sequences.htm

does anyone have access to this article?

http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/conten...65.short?rss=1

i am starting to wonder whats going on here, i will investigate further..most of my sources seem to point towards an area between Kazan and the Caucasus mountains..

its very interesting though...

**Ashina** · 2011-05-02, 21:36

Hey cool, there is another Turk with C4a1!

3. JF811749(Turkey) FTDNA C4a1 26-APR-2011

And the other two are Teleut (Turkic people) and Buryat (Mongolic people).