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    Question Persians as culturally & genetically offspring of Semites+Huro-Guto-Kassi-Elamites?

    Persians steppes hordes moved very late to Iran(8th BC)bringing their very rude old Persian language(much more rude than dutsch or swedish)but of course they were numerically very inferior to thousand of years established semites,sumerians,elamites...
    The original folks of iran(elamites who are very distantly linked to semites,gutians,kassites,hurrians,babylonians...)r efined this language and included a huge number of semitic(and other languages)loanwords and grammatical features so middle and modern persian are in fact the very mixed refined version of old persian spoken by semites and other folks of iran-mesopotamia that gave it a much more pleasant middle-eastern semite pronunciation.(even todays,the pronunciation of modern Persan is similar to the one of Iraqi,gulf and levantine dialects of Arabic)

    The arriving Persians(or let's say the semite of Iran very naturally)adopted semitic Akkadian as their official language and Akkadian aphabet as their official alphabet(later moving to Semitic Aramean as official language and alphabet then to Semitic Arabic and Arabic alphabet).

    In the modern Persian the word of bread is the Sumerian "nan".
    Very interestingly,in the modern Persian coexist different semitic words derived of same semitic roots(for example akkadian GUNAH=sin,and same rooted arabic DJONHE=law enforcement)

    Let's look at some "persian" cultural and religious items

    A1/semite babylonians




    B1/persians




    A2/semite bull


    semite lion(gave birth to the iranian lion)


    akkadian tanbur which is the ancestor of all corded instruments(the semitic root nbr,arabic nabra)
    akkadian pasaltiru(which gave birth to persian santoor and greec santuri)

    akkadian harp(first harp found in the history)

    semitic rubaba(which gave birth to all corded instruments with baston)
    semitic god atra-hasis(arabic athra-samain,which gave birth to persian atra-hasis)

    semitic god dhushara(which gave birth to persian zoroastra,a word hat has not any serious persian etmology except the ridiculous camel-buyer but in semitic it means the very meaningful master of the ground and probably was taken by the Greeks as Zeus)

    semitic god shamsh(give birth to the iranian sun)

    semitic kuribu(gave birth to the persian and greek griffin)

    semite bab-ishtar(star-gate)

    semite town babylon



    ashurnasirapli






    B2/
    iranian griffin

    iranian santoor and tanbur

    iranian bull

    iranian god ahura-mazda

    iranian god zoroaster

    ancien avestan alphabet(taken from aramean alphabet)





    So it seems that when H,L,Q,C,O haplotypes carriers steppe hordes moved to iran they took nearly all the cultural and religious items from the 40% J hg semites and 25% R hg sumero-gutio-hurrio-kassites.(cause R haplotype in Iran was proved to be well pre-iranian since iran could well be the place of origin of both R1b and R1a haploypes)

    Also dont forget that the iranian fest newruz came from the semite akitu

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    Hm I've noticed all of your posts are about glorifying semitic culture, why?

    The persians were not semites or anything else. They rather made you civilized.

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    Yes Iranians are sand niggers.

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    Most of the pictures you posted of "Semitic" this and "Semitic" that, were sculptures and statues made by Assyrians. Thanks for totally ignoring mentioning Assyrians, even though, the first Iranian empire was more or less a protg of the Neo-Assyrian Empire:

    The lavish expenditures of Assurbanipal on warfare and building drained the resources of the empire and contributed to its weakness. The king of the Medes, Cyaxares, and the Babylonian ruler Nabopolassar, joined forces and took Nineveh in 612 B.C. Under the son of Nabopolassar, Nebuchadnezzar, Babylonia was renewed in power, and the great-grandson of Cyaxares, Cyrus the Great, was to establish the Persian Empire, which owed much to the earlier Assyrian state.
    http://web.archive.org/web/200806272...s/Assyria.html

    The official language of the Neo-Assyrian Empire was Akkadian, but later, also Aramaic. When the Persians conquered Mesopotamia, Aramaic also became an official language of the Achaemenid Empire:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic...perial_Aramaic

    Anyway, yeah, modern Persians are very likely the offspring of ancient Mesopotamians (Assyrians, Babylonians, Elamites and whatnot) to a great extent. See this thread:

    Indo-Iranian R1a (Wells et al. 2001)
    Quote Originally Posted by Zupan View Post
    Hm I've noticed all of your posts are about glorifying semitic culture, why?

    The persians were not semites or anything else. They rather made you civilized.
    It's the other way around Times were different then.

    Thread moved to Iranology section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post

    Indo-Iranian R1a (Wells et al. 2001)It's the other way around Times were different then.

    Thread moved to Iranology section.

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    I don't think that the semito-centrist meant the assyrian or the neo assyrian empire.. Or did he??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zupan View Post
    I don't think that the semito-centrist meant the assyrian or the neo assyrian empire.. Or did he??
    Most of the pictures he posted of "Semites" were from ancient Assyro-Babylonian culture, for example, the Lamassu:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamassu

    But of course, he didn't want to give the ancient Assyrians credit (he just mentioned Ashurnasirpal briefly). Instead, he wants to take credit from the superior Assyrian civilisation and give it to useless Semites like Arabs and Aramaeans; certainly, Arabs and Aramaeans are the equivalent of White Trash as far as Semitic peoples are concerned. Semite Trash is what they were and still are.

    Anyway, point is, Assyria was an important power base of the Persian empires. Even Herodotus mentioned it in his Histories. Babylonia was also sought after by Alexander the Great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    But of course, he didn't want to give the ancient Assyrians credit (he just mentioned Ashurnasirpal briefly). Instead, he wants to take credit for the superior Assyrian civilisation and give it to useless Semites like Arabs and Aramaeans; certainly, Arabs and Aramaeans are the equivalent of White Trash as far as Semitic peoples are concerned. Semite Trash is what they were and still are.
    haha

    Most of the pictures he posted of "Semites" were from ancient Assyro-Babylonian culture, for example, the Lamassu:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamassu

    Anyway, point is, Assyria was an important power base of the Persian empires. Even Herodotus mentioned it in his Histories. Babylonia was also sought after by Alexander the Great.

    Hmm yes I know about Babylonia being important for the trade routes, incomes, and for winning over the semites living there to ensure they wouldn't start a uprising

    But the Persians built some great cities like: Persepolis

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zupan View Post
    But the Persians built some great cities like: Persepolis
    Which Alexander ruined. But Assyrian influence was immense even in Persepolis:

    A pair of Lamassu's, bulls with the head of a bearded man, stands by the western threshold. Another pair, with wings and a Persian head (Gopt-Shh), stands by the eastern entrance, to reflect the Empires power.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepo...of_All_Nations

    Look at the distance between northern "Iraq" (Assyria) and Persepolis:



    Despite the geographic distance, they had Lamassu sculptures in Persepolis. This tells us a great deal how influenced the Persians were by Assyrian culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EliasAlucard View Post
    Which Alexander ruined. But Assyrian influence was immense even in Persepolis:

    A pair of Lamassu's, bulls with the head of a bearded man, stands by the western threshold. Another pair, with wings and a Persian head (Gopt-Shh), stands by the eastern entrance, to reflect the Empires power.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepo...of_All_Nations

    Look at the distance between northern "Iraq" (Assyria) and Persepolis:



    Despite the geographic distance, they had Lamassu sculptures in Persepolis. This tells us a great deal how influenced the Persians were by Assyrian culture.
    How can we be sure it wasn't the other way around?

    Ehm another thing didn't the persian mythology have some kind of lamassu "look-alike" or did they borrow it from the semitic cultures??

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    I think we can not claim someones as semito-centric when being assyrio-centric.
    There is nomore Assyrians nowadays all absorbed by "the trash" arameans and arabs.
    Also many of the given cultural items here(that are essentially akkadian and babylonian not assyrian)have semitic(arabic,aramean,canaanite)conterparts(such as bull,dhu shara,athra samain rubab...).
    If you compare the assyrian laws to the babylonian laws of Hammurabi you will easly see how atroce those assyrians were.

    If the Assyrians were so developed why they adopted the alphabet and language and monotheist religions of the west semites?
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