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    Quote Originally Posted by jibarodepr View Post
    Because they were raised like it, they were so hispanicized that they embrace it to that extreme(they only embrace their white side).
    Yep! Then they get a rude awakening when they come to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    Yep! Then they get a rude awakening when they come to the US.
    That is right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    Thing is a lot of castizos, hell, a lot of mestizos call themselves white!
    Not among Mexican-Americans or Mexico.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    There are Indigenous influenced mestizos in Colombia who think they're white.
    Thats weird.

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    Mexico's census doesn't ask for racial or ethnic self-identification, people who retain an Amerindian identity or language being the exception. I don't know what methodology was used to determine those figures. The only post-colonial censuses that I know of which have taken race into account were done in 1885 and 1921:

    1885
    Amerindian: 38%
    Mestizo: 43%
    White 19%

    1921
    Amerindian: 29%
    Mestizo: 59%
    White: 10%

    There's no distinct 'white' identity among Mexicans outside of a few race forums, the former criollos were largely swallowed by el mestizaje culturally along with many indigenous people. This page sums it up very well:

    http://www.nacionmulticultural.unam....mestizaje.html
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    The map was made by a WikiUser combining information from "Lizcano" and from the "CIA World factbook", it is obviously very wrong about many things. No genetic studies, data mixed up, and poor sources, and the result is misrepresentation of reality.

    Description Ethnic Composition of the Americas.PNG
    English: Ethnic composition of the Americas according to Lizcano and the CIA World Factbook.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Et...e_Americas.PNG

    The map is outdated in light of genetic studies, and categories are not that rigid at all. The vast majority of the populations of the Americas consist of Native American, European and SSA African ancestries in different degrees, except for - generally - "White Americans", "White Canadians", and also of a few others elsewhere. And even these groups cannot be defined as a "100%" anything (not even Haitians either!).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tenochkatl View Post
    Mexico's census doesn't ask for racial or ethnic self-identification, people who retain an Amerindian identity or language being the exception. I don't konw what methodology was used to determine those figures. The only post-colonial censuses that I know of which have taken race into account were done in 1885 and 1921:

    1885
    Amerindian: 38%
    Mestizo: 43%
    White 19%

    1921
    Amerindian: 29%
    Mestizo: 59%
    White: 10%

    There's no distinct 'white' identity among Mexicans outside of a few race forums, the former criollos were largely swallowed by el mestizaje culturally along with many indigenous groups. This page sums it up very well:

    http://www.nacionmulticultural.unam....mestizaje.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroon King View Post
    There are Indigenous influenced mestizos in Colombia who think they're white. There's also Afro influenced mixed people who think they're white.
    Hell, I've even met a clearly pre-dominantly Indigenous Peruvian claim that he was white.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rich86 View Post
    Hell, I've even met a clearly pre-dominantly Indigenous Peruvian claim that he was white.
    Same here, I work with a very Amerindian looking Peruvian who claims to just be of Spaniard blood.

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    Interesting, I don't think I've ever seen that with Mexican mestizos of pred. indigenous ancestry. However, I know of a few 'assimilated' Amerindians who are reluctant to speak their native languages in front of others, presumably for the sake of fitting in or 'passing'.

    Mexicans of all shades tend to clinge more to their Amerindian heritage overall, people here often refer to the Spaniards as having conquered us. Quite paradoxical considering that the remaining indigenous peoples are treated like second class citizens more often than not.

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    Brazil, Argentina and Chile's white share seem overrated to me.
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    They are. Most of the information there is useless to me. They contradict genetic studies and they are based on mixing up data. Cuba has a stronger European input than Chile, f.e. The map was made by a WikiUser combining information from "Lizcano" and from the "CIA World factbook".

    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post
    Brazil, Argentina and Chile's white share seem overrated to me.
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