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No. Investment to environmental projects to protect the Baltic Sea to die completely because of Russians are not to make profit e.g.
its in your interests to protect the sea.+ Im sure Finnish businessmen invest in quickly growing economy of Russia.
I doubt that overall Russia is costing you money, I think the relationship is profitable to both parties, Im sure finnish goods and services are offered in Russia which generate income.
when Russia tried to enforce Russification. It did not succeed.
What's wrong with that? Civilized Russians were so generous that they tried to share their glorious civilization and rich culture with finnish barbarians.
Fast, try to name me at least 10 finns whose achievements are on the same level with Gagarin, Dostoevsky, Tchaikovsky, Catherine II, Korolev, Zhukov, Kalashnikov.
You see? It's impossible.
Even now, Finland's achievements start with Nokia and end with fancy worthless metal bands for pimply teenagers.
No investments were made. No cash flow from Russia to strengthen Finnish culture or industrialization. It was all homegrown, sorry.
lol Only under Russian rule Finland was able to maintain it's statehood and develop. Finns under Swedes were like native australians under Brits.
When Russia liberated Finland from Swedish oppression, Russians gave finns the largest autonomy inside the Empire. Finland even participated in the olympic games as independent country with it's own teams and not as part of Russian Empire.
Only under Russian rule, finns were able to develop their national identity. Under Russia, Finland finally acquired "a place among the nations" as Alexander I said.
Modern Finland's borders were forced upon us by the Soviet Union and Allies after WWII.
What did you expect? Did you think that you can ally with nazis, help them slaughter millions of innocent people, occupy foreign territory and get away with that?
But i agree that your boarders are not ok. You still illegaly hold Swedish and Russian territory.
Don't think that those guys won't come to collect what is rightfully theirs.
Parts of Finland are still under occupation.
LOL? First of all, try to find me at least one city in Finland which was founded BY FINNS. Majority of cities in Finland are founded by Swedes(like Helsinki) or by Russians (for example Jyvaskyla). It's more like, territories of Sweden and Russia are occupied by Finns, not vice versa.
Second. Which 100% finnish territories are still under occupation? You will say Karelia, right? Karelia was part of Russia since 11 century till now and part of Finland only during WW2 when finnish nazis illegaly occupied it. Not to mention that all carelians are Orthodox Christians.
Yes, Uncle Lenin made a phonecall to the League of Nations... No. This is only partly true. Lenin had his ass full of the shit that was going down in Russia so he and his inner ring could not really be bothered about Finland. He did however, nurture a thought of Finnish bolsheviks staging a revolution in Finland and join a Union called Soviet but it did not really happen.
Nope. Lenin's goal was clear to everyone(except finnish barbarians who, as i can see, still live under the rock which surrounded by swamps and forests) - to end imperialism. And to do so, he illegaly(Sweden officialy gave away Finland to Russia for "everlasting possession") set some nations free.
This is the worst fucking crap I've ever read. This crap for the win!!!!
Google "Der Untermensch" (german nazi brochure).
It clearly says that finno-ugric nations are sub-human barbarians.
Which is true, btw.
Finno-ugric people did not contribute to the human civilization at all.
Even africans are more productive in terms of culture and science than finno-ugric people.
Stalin saw Finns as degenerate sub-humans to invade and exterminate.
Wow, finnish propaganda is doing a great job with finnish minds as i can see.
No, he did not. And he never wanted to occupy and exterminate finns. If he wanted to do such horrible thing, he would have easily done it by sending his forces further to finnish territory after he humiliated Finland in Winter War.
As i said before, education in Finland sucks. And you and your ignorant statements prove it well. Barbarians...
Either way, I see some "truth" in the fact that despite the winter war and some other shit, Finland has been handled quite fair according to Soviet/Russian standards. I mean it could have been much worse. So my finnish comrades, you should be "happy" that you got only a tiny bit of russian shit while it could have been more.
It took two bloody wars to gain this position of respect. With Russians it's true that they only understand force.
I also think that the current border with Russia is a good thing for Finland, I dont have the numbers but I think russian tourists/businessmen invest quite a lot of money in your country.
Of course. Nothing bad without somethin good. We just don't understand why our politicians allow Russians to buy land and property while Finns are not.
maybe the past should be forgotten and it could be time to look only forward ?
I look forward to the day when Neo Soviet Putinland ceases to exist and turns into a "normal" country which respects neighbors, agreements and international law.
Unfortunately, I will not live that long.
---------- Post added 2011-09-16 at 08:35 ----------
Originally Posted by Acquisitorz
its in your interests to protect the sea.+ Im sure Finnish businessmen invest in quickly growing economy of Russia.
I doubt that overall Russia is costing you money, I think the relationship is profitable to both parties, Im sure finnish goods and services are offered in Russia which generate income.
Yes. Russia is a potential and a challenge. Unfortunately most of Russias potential is still locked by the "Russian factor", corruption, bureaucracy and other things.
It is in our intrest to protect the sea and the environment, but it does not take away the responsibility from the Russians to do the same. If Sosnovyi Bor nuclear reactor goes Chernobyl or the Baltic sea dies from oil pollution, twice as many Russians will be just as fucked as all Russias neighbours will be (Finland + Baltic states). But they do not think ahead of these things as we do. Or do they?
Last edited by Motörhead Remember Me; 2011-09-16 at 09:36.