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View Poll Results: Are the Palestinians a distinct people with a real nation?
Discuss the geographical and historical signifigance of the Palestinians as a people, if they are. I'm curious as to what the argument is for them not being a real nation.
They're no more invented than other "Arabs". Palestinians are basically former Jews who went through an ethno-religious identity shift to Islam and Arabic.
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Originally Posted by drgs
Poland is a misunderstanding. It is a country which lies on the frontier between western and slavic world, and which combines elements of both.
In fact, they are not even the Europeans in strict sense, meaning European as in bearing the responsibility and understanding of European interests. Poland has always been an subordinate country, on one side sucking German dick, on the other side -- Russian one, some kind of "novice" europeans, who are full of inferiority complexes, hysteria and obsessity neuroses. This is also true for all Baltic countries
Palestinians are a people no matter how you view it in my opinion. In a way every people is created, so to me the argument against their "peoplehood" is kind of irrelevant, I mean it would be relent maybe if they all just migrated to Israel in the last 100 years from all different places, but they didn't. The name Palestine though as a term to describe them may be new however, but it isn't really important how you call them, they have a common concept of origin (whether it is or isn't a modern fabrication), common language and costume. As Arabs I assume they originate from neighboring regions, so you can say they are of mixed origin but they share common Arab Islamic ethos, they are Arabs who live in the historical region of Palestine/Israel.
The reason it's a political issue though is because if they are a people, they have a "right" to their own nationstate I suppose. The argument against them I guess would be that they are just Arabs from different nations, but I'm not sure. Also not sure if the bedouins are included as a part of the people.
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Originally Posted by Fereshte
Everyone in the region speaks Arabic, but every country has a distinctive dialect unique to their own history and culture. Palestinian Arab is absolutely different from Moroccan Arabic or Saudi Arabian Arabic.
In my opinion they (different Arab countries) are as different as different southern European Romance language speakers, who are divided even inside of national identities based on dialect, culture and history. "Arab" represents an old pan-ethnic identity, it's historic and the origin of the Arab Meta-Ethnicity, but Palestinians is a modern ethnic identity based on the history and culture of the particular Arab people.
There does seem to be a dilemma though, the modern concept of ethnos as nationality in history and the ancient concept seem to conflict, though this may have always been an issue since nation states always fought to created unified identities in order to foster unity and prevent ethnic uprising against the ruler, and I think it confuses the concept of "ethnicity" a bit, depends allot on how one understands the meaning of the term, people or ethnicity.
The Jews are an invented People, the Torah makes NO mention of Jews let alone giving them any indication that they can commit the evil and atrocities they are doing today against people who have lived there for hundreds of years.
The ancient Israelites were divided all over the world, some moving out of the region and others through captivity and slavery.
The Ashkenazi Jews who make up the majority of Jews today are Khazars who converted and adopted the old Hebrew faith!
Read your Torah and understand it for yourself!
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Originally Posted by EliasAlucard
They're no more invented than other "Arabs". Palestinians are basically former Jews who went through an ethno-religious identity shift to Islam and Arabic.
Exactly! Those who stayed in the region are some, not all, but some of the Muslims of Palestine
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Originally Posted by EliasAlucard
They're no more invented than other "Arabs". Palestinians are basically former Jews who went through an ethno-religious identity shift to Islam and Arabic.
Exactly! Those who stayed in the region are some, not all, but some of the Muslims of Palestine
Technically they are an invented people since the name "Palestine" came from the Romans when they renamed Judea Palestine to get rid of the Jewish influence over the area. In fact Jews too were called "Palestinians." However we must also be aware that they were living there when it was called Palestine so technically even though they are just like their Arab brothers (genetically mixed with various Arab groups and blacks) so the word Palestinian is used to distinguish from the Israelis.
Iranians are not related to Palestinians, nor is Abraham our ancestor.
But the question should be: Are the Israeli's an invented people?
it doesn't bother the iranians to collaborate with the levantines in common efforts to destroy israel. seem like when israel is in the neighborhood they stop to hate each other and hate israel instead.
mizrahim and ashkenazim are not the same at all,they are extremely different,but it doesn't mean that israelis are invented people.
i don't believe ashkenazim would win any war without the mizrahim. the most heros soldiers were mizrahim.
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Is this a legitimate question? It's sad that people are using all manner of misinformation to justify the subjugation of Palestinians and acquisition of their land...
When the modern state of Israel was formed after WW2, the Jews living there were a minority, since there had been generations of migrations to Europe and beyond, beginning in Roman times and the middle ages.
The majority of the people who lived in Israel during the WW2 era were Arab Muslims.
When the modern state of Israel was formed, many dispossessed Jews from Europe moved there and over time many came from America also, eventually outnumbering the Muslims and pushing them off more land.
The Muslim Arabs eventually became heavily settled in regions like the Gaza strip and what is known as Palestine today.
They are the Muslim-Arabs who lived in Israel before the actual modern State of Israel was formed. and they were driven to what is now Palestine after becoming a minority in the state of Israel.
What a discriminatory question to ask. If I was Palestinian I would find this sort of persistent anti-Palestinian rhetoric incredibly annoying and frustrating.
Originally Posted by Pale Blonde
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It's sad that people are using all manner of misinformation to justify the subjugation of Palestinians and acquisition of their land...
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