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Hi All - quick question - what is a "jatt"? Forgive my ignorance but I had heard the term thrown around as a joke (ie Mirza jatt) and never understood what it was. If someone has the name Mirza does that make them a jatt and was that why this was added?
Hi All - quick question - what is a "jatt"? Forgive my ignorance but I had heard the term thrown around as a joke (ie Mirza jatt) and never understood what it was. If someone has the name Mirza does that make them a jatt and was that why this was added?
Mirza (Amir-zad, son of a chief) is an honorific, equivalent to say Rajput (Raj-put). It can be applied to Jatts too.
Jatts are an ethnic group found in significant numbers in the Indus to Ganga-Jamuna doab regions. They are supposed to have migrated from the Sindh and Gujara regions to the north after the Arab invasions of Sindh and Gurjara.
Some Jatts have been tested for the L657 marker (mainly an Indo-Arab marker - blue in map below) and till date all have turned out +ve:
U2321 Amar Sandhu, Jalandhar, Punjab, India L657+
U2810 Tharn Bajwa, Pakistan, L657+
N22414 Luddan Singh Ranu, 1800s, Manki, Punjab L657+
163483 Gurbax Singh Sidhu, born c. 1905 in Dod, Punjab L657+
It would be interesting to see in what proportion this marker is present in non-Jatts of South Asia. Apparently 11 of 14 Gujaraties in the 1000 genomes project are L657+. http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic,1488.555.html
Some Jatts have been tested for the L657 marker (mainly an Indo-Arab marker - blue in map below) and till date all have turned out +ve:
Many sources on internet talk about westward migration of Jats in Arabia, L657 is an R1a marker. Even some Arab dialects are said to be influenced by Jats.
They are supposed to have migrated from the Sindh and Gujara regions to the north after the Arab invasions of Sindh and Gurjara.
I think modern day Punjab,Haryana and Northern Rajasthan are core regions where most Jats lived in past, almost whole of NW India excluding hilly regions.
Last edited by warrior; 2012-08-30 at 21:38.
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An Idea.
Resilient... highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain.
वो बेवफा नहीं था यूँ ही बदनाम हो गया, हजारों चाहने वाले थे किस किस से वफ़ा करता ...!!
She claims to be Jat and migrants from Haryana but like I said she doesn't look much like a Jatt to me. She looks like the average Bengali. I know another Jatt from Uttarakhand (north of UP) and well I struggle to find anything common in either culture or looks between these two people. Her whole family is now in West Bengal, Assam and Tripura.
Many sources on internet talk about westward migration of Jats in Arabia, L657 is an R1a marker. Even some Arab dialects are said to be influenced by Jats.
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I think modern day Punjab,Haryana and Northern Rajasthan are core regions where most Jats lived in past, almost whole of NW India excluding hilly regions.
Yes a number of the Jatts settlements are noticed in Arabia - they went as slaves, mercenaries, pastoralists, etc.
Jatts, pre se, are not mentioned pre-Arab in the NW of India but it is quite possible some were there. Gaurs in the Haryana, Meerut, Saharanpur, Delhi area have traditions that Jats were late comers and over time, as a result of being very hard workers replaced the Gaur. The Gaur themselves say they came from the east - Bengal! Therefore very difficult to rely on this, but perhaps the Gaur came with the Guptas.
Many of the Jatt clans say they migrated to the Punjab from Gujni in Dravir des, perhaps the coastal city of Gujni in Gujarat. Of course, these stories predate the Scythian and Aryans coming from Central Asia grafted upon Jatts and Rajputs by British officials. I bet, the Jatts and others had never heard of those terms before.
Originally Posted by delmondo
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