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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
    there is a unified white and black population in usa, but the same can't be said for asians. Asians in america are a very divided group, they see themselves separated as chinese americans, korean american, Filipino american, ect. Beyonce, Jennifer Lopez and Akon all 3 had major help and support from the black community before the mainstream white americans accepted them. To make it big you need the help of whites or black fans to make it in the US. Asians and latin americans mostly need their(black & white) support for success to become super popular. things are beginning to change, but for the time being thats how it is right now
    I disagree with this to an extent. To become a pop icon, more than anything, you need a huge white fanbase because they are the ones who buy all the albums. Infact, most Latino and Blacks artists with pred black and/or latino fanbases will never become pop icons and sell huge amounts of albums because their communities don't really support them to that level. THis is why Country musicians sell so many albums w/o really appealling to other people outside of Southern White Americans. Basically it's called "Crossing Over" or "Going Pop" when you appeal to large amounts of whites and start selling in the platinum/multi platinum levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magneto View Post
    I disagree with this to an extent. To become a pop icon, more than anything, you need a huge white fanbase because they are the ones who buy all the albums. Infact, most Latino and Blacks artists with pred black and/or latino fanbases will never become pop icons and sell huge amounts of albums because their communities don't really support them to that level. THis is why Country musicians sell so many albums w/o really appealling to other people outside of Southern White Americans. Basically it's called "Crossing Over" or "Going Pop" when you appeal to large amounts of whites and start selling in the platinum/multi platinum levels.
    You are right when saying its the huge white fanbase that you need than anything else when it comes to being a pop icon in america. But having a large Black fanbase does help somewhat in also getting the attention from many white people. Whites tend to be the largest consumers of american black music, and this isn't a new situation, but happened many times in the past even. for example Hiphop wouldn't had such a large-scale success worldwide if it wasn't for white people supporting it.

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    that is not the reason,Rihanna and Beyonce are very known in Spain and there isnt here any black fanbase,they are beautiful and have "good" music so still dont undestand why...

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    If a singer is beautiful,got a beautiful and personal voice and producers get her good catchy songs and promote her on tv and radio people would buy her music no matter what race so...why?

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    ^^ they are popular there because they were popular here first, and what was said above by Reality Check about American fan base is largely correct in my estimation. It's easier for a black R&B artist to go mainstream with whites than it would be for some smaller ethnic minority which doesn't "own" a popular genre. Getting popular in Spain happens after the fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Check View Post
    You are right when saying its the huge white fanbase that you need than anything else when it comes to being a pop icon in america. But having a large Black fanbase does help somewhat in also getting the attention from many white people.
    Having large "Black" fanbase doesn't hurt but as I said before they aren't really that "large". For example someone like Teena Marie (a white white woman) who was a legend in the Afram community and also were like 95% of her fans was virtually unknown in the wider world of pop, specifically "white" people. She never that many albums.



    whereas someone like Madonna started out with a black fanbase but crossed over into having a overwhelmingly white fanbase and became a worldwide pop icon because of it.

    Born Mary Christine Brockert, the R&B chanteuse with the powerhouse voice grew up in a predominantly black Los Angeles neighborhood, and counted mostly African-American musical icons among her musical influences. She first rose to prominence by way of her professional and personal relationship with the late James, and was one of Motown's first Caucasian artists. At the time of her signing to the label in 1976, Motown executives reportedly fretted about possible backlash from black audiences should they discover she was white.

    According to Marie's biography on Billboard.com, her debut album in 1979 didn't even feature her picture: most programmers at black radio stations operated under the assumption she was black. Over time, she became affectionately referred to as "the Ivory Queen of Soul" -- a hat-tip to the fact that whatever she may have lacked in melanin, she most assuredly compensated for in singing talent.

    Not that anyone who spent a moment listening to her sing would have any grounds to question her authenticity as a soul artist. Who among us doesn't recall being bowled over by her debut with James on "I'm Just a Sucker for Your Love", or the chill we got from hearing her sultry voice alongside James in their signature ballad, "Fire and Desire"? In a musical genre often noted for the "baby-making" qualities it engenders, Marie stood out for her ability to project fiery passion through her ballads, or clear a dance floor with pulsating, rhythmic beats such as those found on her immortal 'Square Biz.' Marie's songs have withstood the test of time, and found new life in the music industry's sincerest form of flattery and imitation. Her smash hit 'Ooh La la la' was sampled in part by The Fugees on their 1996 single, 'Fu-Gee-La.'

    But for all of the early brouhaha surrounding her ethnicity, Marie stood out for her enduring appeal to black listeners. The music industry is replete with examples of "crossover" artists -- Madonna, Boy George and George Michael being among the most prominent examples -- who achieved initial acclaim from African-American audiences through the use of R&B-influenced sound. These same artists later transitioned into full-fledged (and more lucrative) pop careers, and never looked back.

    For her part, Marie remained true to the genre, and audiences repaid that loyalty with their unyielding support. Even as her career appeared to peak in the late 1980s and she was dropped by her label, Epic, fans continued to flock to Marie's live shows and played her songs endlessly.

    Marie's success as a soul singer also has much to teach us as music fans, specifically about the color-blindness of talent, and the content of a musician's character. Her decidedly white lineage notwithstanding, the embrace of Marie by black audiences illustrates the extent to which her ethnicity probably never should have been an issue in the first place. Like people of all races who love music, blacks recognize talent when they see or hear it. It goes without saying that Teena Marie was a woman of unparalleled musical deftness.
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    Whites tend to be the largest consumers of american black music, and this isn't a new situation, but happened many times in the past even. for example Hiphop wouldn't had such a large-scale success worldwide if it wasn't for white people supporting it.

    True but it goes back to what I already stated, you have to appeal to white people if you want iconic commercial success. It's exactly what in the world of Reggae, separated Bob Marley from someone like Peter Tosh.
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    Why aren't East Asian-American porno stars?

    Partícula, if you want to understand it, take a look at this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJFEVAbTzxo

    I have seen Finnish "toreros", but nothing like this...
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    there are alot actually. check the asian section on any major porn site and its a huge list.


    people love them japanese and their freaky, half crying half screaming fake orgasmix squid sex.
    one step closer to world domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elone View Post
    there are alot actually. check the asian section on any major porn site and its a huge list.


    people love them japanese and their freaky, half crying half screaming fake orgasmix squid sex.


    Well, I admit I am not an expert in porn, but I have never seen a male porn actor from Japan, for example...
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    maybe because western morals have been hijacked by menopaused feminists, who typically hate East-asian women with the same frenetical enthousiasm as they hate white heterosexual males.
    Let alone Feminists hating east-asian men for their lack of virility.


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    Because they dont fit the stereotype many people have in America of what a pop star should look like.
    If you dont look the package, you aint going to make the big companies money, and if you aint making any money for someone, then ....well you see where i'm going with this.
    However We've always had a few Desi (South Asian) artists making a mark in the UK and crossing over like most recently Jay Sean and M.I.A.




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