The Welsh

[yahooland]

I decided to make a thread about the welsh people ,after seeing they were themost r1b people .

For people who wants to see pictures of Welsh people go here,I am more interested in the dna/ancestry aspect here.

Y-dna composition (from eupedia)
R1b:83,5%( 92,5% from wikipedia and it's mainly R-p312 along with L23)
I1:7%
G:2,5%
E1b1b:2%
I2b:2%
R1a:1%
J2:1%
T:0.5%
I2a:0,5%

Mtdna composition (from eupedia)
H:43%
T:11%
U:10%
J:9,5%
K:9,5%
others:7,5%
I:6%(the highest percentage in europe)
HV0 + V:1,5%
X2:1%

I didn't find the welsh on dodecad ,so I can't put their Admixture results(maybe the irish can fit ?).

But here is an interesting thing The saxon doesn't seem to have invaded wales if we look at The R-U106 Map



That is maybe why Welsh are seen as wog in England.

[David Noi]

R1b:83,5%?

OK, the Welsh are Turks, ;-)

[Silesian]

I decided to make a thread about the welsh people ,after seeing they were the people with the most r1b .

For people who wants to watch pictures of Welsh people go here,I am more interested in the dna/ancestry aspect here.

Y-dna composition (from eupedia)
R1b:83,5%( 92,5% from wikipedia and it's mainly R-p312 along with L23)
I1:7%
G:2,5%
E1b1b:2%
I2b:2%
R1a:1%
J2:1%
T:0.5%
I2a:0,5%

Mtdna composition (from eupedia)
H:43%
T:11%
U:10%
J:9,5%
K:9,5%
others:7,5%
I:6%(the highest percentage in europe)
HV0 + V:1,5%
X2:1%

I didn't find the welsh on dodecad ,so I can't put their Admixture results(maybe the irish can fit ?).

But here is an interesting thing The saxon don't seems to have invaded wales if we look at The R-U106 Map



That is maybe why Welsh are seen as wog in England.

That depends on your definition of WOG. For example if you need an emergency blood transfusion, typical definition of WOG has no bearing. Blood type is most critical.

Welsh have low levels of Afro-Asiatic blood type B. You could have someone who is very fair, pale skin, blonde hair, blue eyes, but share the Afro-Asiatic blood type B with Afro-Asiatic peoples.

http://www.nature.com/hdy/journal/v6.../hdy19522a.pdf

Here are different groups to compare with

The first column is type O% second is A% third is B% and last is AB%

Spanish _38_ 47_ 10_ 5_
Sudanese _62_ 16_ 21_ 0_
Swedes _38_ 47 _ 10 _ 5_
Swiss _40 _50_ 7 _3_
Tatars _28_ 30_29_13_
Thais _37_ 22_33_8_
Turks _43_34_18 _6
Ukrainians _37_ 40_18_6_
USA (US blacks) _49_ 27_20_4_
USA (US whites) _45_ 40_11_4_
Vietnamese _42_ 22_30_5_

The Basque, Irish, Welsh, all have relatively low levels of Afro-Asiatic blood type B.
Lithuanians, on the other hand who have a considerable amount of Afro-Asiatic blood type B[20%]

[thetick]

The Basque, Irish, Welsh, all have relatively low levels of Afro-Asiatic blood type B.

I would bot call B blood Afro-Asiatic. Parts of Eastern Europe are up to 20% B blood type. See http://bloodbanker.com/images/type-B...stribution.gif .

[Majokiuy]

That is maybe why Welsh are seen as wog in England

They're not seen as "wog" in England though. These stereotypes only exist on these nutty race boards and in antiquated anthropology books.

No one in real life here in Britain thinks Welsh people are dark or darker than other British people.

I didn't even know this stereotype existed until I began frequenting these very boards. Same with the Irish too.

Also "wog" here has a different meaning in the U.K-- it's a pejorative term used for black people. Not those of a Mediterranean appearance. That's Australia.

[Viking]

Human Variation (Europe) ---> General Genetics Discussion (Europe)

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[jr1]

They're not seen as "wog" in England though. These stereotypes only exist on these nutty race boards and in antiquated anthropology books.

No one in real life here in Britain thinks Welsh people are dark or darker than other British people.

I didn't even know this stereotype existed until I began frequenting these very boards. Same with the Irish too.

Also "wog" here has a different meaning in the U.K-- it's a pejorative term used for black people. Not those of a Mediterranean appearance. That's Australia.

I think they're often short, dark and hairy mate and I've lived in Britain all my life. Yes, you also get Welsh people with ginger or black hair and a very ashen complexion. I don't dispute the Welshness of any of them, and am not really qualified to say why they look the way they do, but imo there is a noticeable difference between the English & the Welsh.

[yahooland]

Human Variation (Europe) ---> General Genetics Discussion (Europe)

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what the difference between those two ? Human Variation can't be genetics ?

[Viking]

what the difference between those two ? Human Variation can't be genetics ?

Human Variation is about posting pictures.

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[yahooland]

I think they're often short, dark and hairy mate and I've lived in Britain all my life. Yes, you also get Welsh people with ginger or black hair and a very ashen complexion. I don't dispute the Welshness of any of them, and am not really qualified to say why they look the way they do, but imo there is a noticeable difference between the English & the Welsh.

if you look here Welsh and english are the same in term of height : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_h...ound_the_world