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    Stalin ran ethnic cleansing campaigns against many ethnic groups before, during, and after the war. The only real difference I see is his approach had a more practical convenience to it, thus it looked less like ideological racism. It was like "Hey Ukranians are getting uppity, let's sell this year's harvest and starve a few million of them" or "We caught some Chechens working with Nazis, they're a regional pain in the ass anyway, let's shoot a few thousand and pack the rest into a train headed for Kazakhstan"... that type of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post
    You' re completely right on that, however youre going on tangent, the point in this thread is Gunter Grass.

    And regarding GG I say I understand that Israel State wants to declare him non gratus, they have the right and it is justified.

    You cant really blame on them.

    We can't really talk on detail a lot about what happened inside the the ex soviet union block because of the very famous "Iron wall".
    All states have the right to exclude any non-citizen from entry for whatever reason, that's what states are for primarily - protection from outsiders. Why this hooha because Israel won't let a bunch of useful idiots in to demonstrate against them?
    BTW, I can't visit my sister in the land of the free because of past marijuana misdeeds.

    Do you know it as "Iron wall"? Churchill's speech coined the phrase "Iron Curtain"
    http://www.historyguide.org/europe/churchill.html
    From Stettin in the Baltic to Trieste in the Adriatic an iron curtain has descended across the Continent. Behind that line lie all the capitals of the ancient states of Central and Eastern Europe. Warsaw, Berlin, Prague, Vienna, Budapest, Belgrade, Bucharest and Sofia, all these famous cities and the populations around them lie in what I must call the Soviet sphere, and all are subject in one form or another, not only to Soviet influence but to a very high and, in some cases, increasing measure of control from Moscow.
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    There was no poverty in the Soviet time. It was only in the 80's that it started to happen due to incompetent leadership. People in the Soviet Union lived better than Americans do today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    Does Grass even actually care I wonder?



    The point is not whether he cares or not, the point is that Israle has the right to to bar him from entering israel and has the right to tell him to shut the fuck up whet it comes to the State of Israel matters.
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    ........The Gods pleased with those sacrifices would give the Aztecs as their chosen ones victory in balttles, good harvesting, and mastery over all nations, Until one day when it would be time for the Fifth Sun To extinguish and with it the People of the fifth Sun will be no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post
    The point is not whether he cares or not, the point is that Israle has the right to to bar him from entering israel and has the right to tell him to shut the fuck up whet it comes to the State of Israel matters.
    And he has the right to not listen when they tell him that. Israel is not above criticism.
    Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. ― J.R.R. Tolkien

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gungnir View Post
    And he has the right to not listen when they tell him that. Israel is not above criticism.
    Yes but in this case Israel has a good reason to show them really upset and condemn him.


    Quote Originally Posted by Smart Celt View Post
    You can't blame me for being skeptical here. Hell, if it was an average German civilian giving (fair) criticism of Israel, I wouldn't have even bat an eyelash. It just looks really suspicious coming from this dude.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPretan View Post
    All states have the right to exclude any non-citizen from entry for whatever reason, that's what states are for primarily - protection from outsiders. Why this hooha because Israel won't let a bunch of useful idiots in to demonstrate against them?
    BTW, I can't visit my sister in the land of the free because of past marijuana misdeeds.

    Do you know it as "Iron wall"? Churchill's speech coined the phrase "Iron Curtain"
    http://www.historyguide.org/europe/churchill.html

    Yes it is Iron curtain, it is actually the exact term....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arminfrench View Post
    ........The Gods pleased with those sacrifices would give the Aztecs as their chosen ones victory in balttles, good harvesting, and mastery over all nations, Until one day when it would be time for the Fifth Sun To extinguish and with it the People of the fifth Sun will be no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldPretan View Post
    Very shortsighted of them, IMAO, there were lots of Poles many of whom would have fought savagely against the Bolsheviks.
    Yes, Poles were the ones who they trusted the least, even though they could have found a platform against Bolsheviks indeed. For instance, Wars Uprising of '44 was largely politically decision, aimed against Red Army, even if it was against Nazi occupation, but Germans were in the deadlock already and were loosing anyway, but still, taking revenge on Warsaw and squashing the uprising was very good news for Stalin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerinese View Post
    Stalin ran ethnic cleansing campaigns against many ethnic groups before, during, and after the war. The only real difference I see is his approach had a more practical convenience to it, thus it looked less like ideological racism. It was like "Hey Ukranians are getting uppity, let's sell this year's harvest and starve a few million of them" or "We caught some Chechens working with Nazis, they're a regional pain in the ass anyway, let's shoot a few thousand and pack the rest into a train headed for Kazakhstan"... that type of thing.
    Katyn massacre was ethnic cleansing too, the only key was- Polish elites (among them a few Polish Jews too). They were imprisoned, defendless and murdered just like that.
    Am I right or am I wrong?

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