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Thread: Quantifying Yayoi and Jomon ancestry in Japanese

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Andullero View Post
    I was asking because an Afram ex-poster here, Jackknightstick, was married to a Japanese woman for a time, and she told him that besides the Korean enmity, and the rivalry between the cities of Tokyo and Osaka, there was this objection against the Chinese. It seems to me that the only East Asians there that aren't regarded as filth are the Taiwanese, and not by much.
    Speaking of some of the stereotypical perceptions found among the folks in that region, I once had a Vietnamese roomate during a business training trip. Acording to him:

    -The Japanese are the equivalent of East Asia's Nazi Germany, this perception being rooted in history.
    -The Japanese look down on all other East Asian countries.
    -The North East Asians (Chinese, Japanese, Korean) look down on the SouthEast Asian countries, I think he said they were 'dog like', lol.
    -The Vietnamese look down upon Laotians and Cambodians (maybe it was these who were considered dog like by the Vietnamese)


    He was the first East Asian I've personally heard mention being somewhat annoyed at the fact that non-East Asian women don't generally find them attractive, while the same not being true for their women. I recall him having an interest in Latinas.

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    I compare North East Asians and South East Asians with European and Middle Eastern relationship.
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    1 Atlantic_Baltic 33.46
    2 African 29.01
    3 Southern 17.74
    4 Amerindian 13.15
    5 Caucasus_Gedrosia 5.24
    6 South_Asian 1.41

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    I have two anonymous matches from Japan in Ancestry Finder. One is also a 7 cM match in Relative Finder, but they haven't responded to my sharing request.

    Japanese are distant enough (like 1-3 KYA) from other East Asians that they wouldn't get significant autosomal segment matches with non-natives. Uniparental DNA however does tie them directly to Koreans and Chinese in many cases. In databases like Sorenson, I can find Korean and Chinese mtDNA matches. I get no matches of any kind for my mtDNA in FTDNA or mitosearch, so these services apparently aren't being used much by East Asians in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amerinese View Post
    I have two anonymous matches from Japan in Ancestry Finder. One is also a 7 cM match in Relative Finder, but they haven't responded to my sharing request.
    "I am not going to share my data with an "gaijin"
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    1 Atlantic_Baltic 33.46
    2 African 29.01
    3 Southern 17.74
    4 Amerindian 13.15
    5 Caucasus_Gedrosia 5.24
    6 South_Asian 1.41

    ARECIBO 500 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by jibarodepr View Post
    Japanese ancestors were "gaijin"
    There not Gaijin at all, it's more like they are descendants of Korean and Chinese migrants with little to some ancestry of Jomon. The Ainu/Jomon are more related with Proto-mongoloid Native Americans (excluding Eskimo, Inuits, and some southern aboriginal indians). Average Japanese basically Yayoi with little Jomon admixture.


    ( Check out my thread for more information )
    http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php?t=34825


    Jomon = Proto-mongoloid
    Yayoi = Neo-mongoloid

    An recontruction of Jomon and Yayoi




    " Margaret Sleeboom-Faulkner of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Sussex said Kanzō Umehara considered the Ainu and Ryukyuans to have "preserved their proto-Mongoloid traits".[52]"

    " Mark J. Hudson Professor of Anthropology at Nishikyushu University, Kanzaki, Saga, Japan, said Japan was settled by a "Proto-Mongoloid" population in the "Pleistocene" who became the "Jōmon" and their features can be seen in the "Ainu" and "Okinawan" people.[53] Hudson said that, later, during the "Yayoi period", the "Neo-Mongoloid" type entered Japan.[53] Hudson said "genetically" Japanese people are "primarily" Neo-Mongoloid with Proto-Mongoloid "admixture".[53] "
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    As long as Ainus are not included in the analysis, quantifiying jomon admixture might not be an easy task. My guess is that if they're included, expect the ''jomon'' admixture to drop everywhere else in Japan, from about 20% on the mainland to some 30% in Ryukyuans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flashrad View Post
    As long as Ainus are not included in the analysis, quantifiying jomon admixture might not be an easy task. My guess is that if they're included, expect the ''jomon'' admixture to drop everywhere else in Japan, from about 20% on the mainland to some 30% in Ryukyuans.
    Read the study at the first page again.

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    ??? What is it ???

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