As Black as those Palenqueros. I doubt. Perhaps in Cuba.Originally Posted by Lalo
As Black as those Palenqueros. I doubt. Perhaps in Cuba.
Those people bolded are minorities. Most pardos are either triracial or mulato. Blacks are mixed too, like the majority of Afram blacks.
Are you considering the size of both Brazil and Colombia?
What do you mean? There are obviously more people who are predominately Negroid in Brazil than Cuba.In any case, the Cuban populations looks understimated.
Do you mean brothels?... Cuban music started in brothels? Where the fuck are you getting this.
Are you going to deny that Cuban music appeared in prostibules, between alcohol, tourists and women of life?
Why do you count Triracials are Blacks? Or Mulatoes as blacks? A Black is not mixed. It is a pure subsaharan African. It is not my fault that "Black" Americans forgot they are mulatoes.
Yes. Because 6% of 200 millions are 12 millions; which is almost the population of Cuba. But that's is not true if you see it in percentage.
Are you goint to tell me it started as a branch of classical music? Nope. It started to entertain gringo tourists when Cuba was the Tijuana of the pre-Castro days.
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Definition of the Pardo population, that some confuse with African:
The Pardos are a mixture of Europeans, Blacks and Amerindians. Brazil does not have a category for multiracial people, but a Pardo (brown) one, which may include mixed race, mulattos, and assimilated indigenous people ("caboclos").
The Pardos make up 42.6% or 79.782 million people of Brazil's population. Mixed-race Brazilians live in the entire territory of Brazil. Although, according to DNA resources, most Brazilians possess a mixed-race ancestry, less than 40% of the country's population classified themselves as being part of this group.
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Genomics of Brazilians in Rio
Genomic ancestry of non-related individuals in Rio de Janeiro
Color number Amerindian African European
White_ 107 6.7% 6.9% 86.4%
"parda 119 8.3% 23.6% 68.1%
Black_ 109 7.3% 50.9% 41.8%
Last edited by pinguin; 2010-03-30 at 02:00.
I never did. I said Pardos. I was assuming that you were implying that a good amount of Pardos are Mestizos (Caboclos).
Blacks in Brazil aren't 6% just like they're not 10% in Cuba. They are undercounted in both countries.Yes. Because 6% of 200 millions are 12 millions; which is almost the population of Cuba. But that's is not true if you see it in percentage.
What music are you referring to? Back in those days habanera, danza, and some other shit was played in lounges; those are irrelevant genres these days.Are you goint to tell me it started as a branch of classical music? Nope. It started to entertain gringo tourists when Cuba was the Tijuana of the pre-Castro days.
Are you saying that Americans came to Cuba as sex-tourists during Batistas reign?
I don't understand the difference between that and tango being sung in shady Argentine night-clubs back in the day, you know places where Gardel would sing at.
Son is the root of Cuban music and it has its origins in the plantations.
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Yes, I never said anything else. Pardos can include any multiracial people including Asians too, btw. As you can see pardos are twice as African as they are Amerindian.Definition of the Pardo population, that some confuse with African:
The Pardos are a mixture of Europeans, Blacks and Amerindians. Brazil does not have a category for multiracial people, but a Pardo (brown) one, which may include mixed race, mulattos, and assimilated indigenous people ("caboclos").
The Pardos make up 42.6% or 79.782 million people of Brazil's population. Mixed-race Brazilians live in the entire territory of Brazil. Although, according to DNA resources, most Brazilians possess a mixed-race ancestry, less than 40% of the country's population classified themselves as being part of this group.
---------- Post added 2010-03-29 at 20:58 ----------
Genomics of Brazilians in Rio
Genomic ancestry of non-related individuals in Rio de Janeiro
Color number Amerindian African European
White_ 107 6.7% 6.9% 86.4%
"parda 119 8.3% 23.6% 68.1%
Black_ 109 7.3% 50.9% 41.8%
Last edited by Lalo; 2010-03-30 at 02:16.
So you gotta look like a Palenkero to be Black...The Brazilian population is overestimated, simply because half the population is NON-WHITE, doesn't mean it looks like Palenqueros. That half of Brazilian population includes millions of Mestizos, Indians, East Asians and others. Besides, the "Black" brazilian is half non-Black, and a lot different than palenqueros.
In any case, the Cuban populations looks understimated.
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Are you going to deny that Cuban music appeared in prostibules, between alcohol, tourists and women of life?
There is a good amount of Mestizos and Indians, too, that are never mentioned. People believe that Brazil is Bahia.
In Cuba one in two people is Black, and quite close to pure African. It makes sense, because Spaniards were importing Africans up to the end of the 19th century, so unlike in Brazil, in Cuba many blacks never have the chance to mix. What are we talking about?
Indeed. Tango was another of those brothel music.What music are you referring to? Back in those days habanera, danza, and some other shit was played in lounges; those are irrelevant genres these days.
Are you saying that Americans came to Cuba as sex-tourists during Batistas reign?
I don't understand the difference between that and tango being sung in shady Argentine night-clubs back in the day, you know places where Gardel would sing at.
Son is the root of Cuban music and it has its origins in the plantations.
Anyways, I preffer more "decent" music, anyways
Well... no but you have to be mostly negroid, do you not agree? Or do you believe in the one-drop system...?So you gotta look like a Palenkero to be Black...
Certainly. Otherwise you are a Mulato. And as you know, many mulattoes don't even identify with Africa.So you gotta look like a Palenkero to be Black...
No Not one drop but you don't have to be 100% African to be called a NEGRO in Colombia and many other parts of "Latin" America and the world
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I'm not a mulato, Ima zambo and I identify with both Africa and Native America
Absurd. Indians and Mestizos without a drop of Black are called "Negros" in Argentina
Anyways. The point is that all those racial statistics are failled, simply because pure Blacks are a very small minority in South America, including in Brazil. Most people is mixed, and in the admixture the European genetic is usually quite abundant. Except in a few spots, indeed. The exception is the Indian regions, where 90% of the people has Indigenous blood.
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