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    The Balinese speak an Austronesian language, yet we know that the Austro-Asiatic groups predate the Austronesians in the souther regions of Island Southeast Asia. Y-DNA O2a is associated with the Austro-Asiatic people, but it is also the modal haplogroup for the Balinese:

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    Haplogroup O2a predominate among the Austro-Asiatic populations of South and Southeast Asia, such as the Khmer of Cambodia and the Khasi of Meghalaya in northeastern India. Some researchers have reported that slightly over half of all men in a composite sample of Austro-Asiatic speakers belonged to Haplogroup O2a.
    Outside of the region in which Austro-Asiatic languages are currently spoken or have a historically attested presence, Haplogroup O2a reaches its highest frequencies among the populations of the islands of Sumatra, Java, Bali, and Borneo in western and central Indonesia.[3] Haplogroup O2a has been found to be by far the most common Y-chromosome haplogroup among the Balinese, occurring in approximately 58.6% (323/551) of a sample of Balinese men; Haplogroup O1a-M119 and Haplogroup O3-M122, which are typical of Austronesian peoples outside of Malaysia and Indonesia, were observed in only 18.1% (100/551) and 6.9% (38/551) of Balinese men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchmontana View Post
    AUNTY LOOKIN REALLL POLYNESIAN:
    Polynesian? That looks like some Filipinos about to eat Lechon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multilingual View Post
    The Balinese speak an Austronesian language, yet we know that the Austro-Asiatic groups predate the Austronesians in the souther regions of Island Southeast Asia. Y-DNA O2a is associated with the Austro-Asiatic people, but it is also the modal haplogroup for the Balinese:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_O2a_(Y-DNA)
    So that's mean Javanese and Balinese are mixture between Austro-Asiatic and Austronesian people, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilham_indonesia View Post
    So that's mean Javanese and Balinese are mixture between Austro-Asiatic and Austronesian people, right?
    Yes, that's what I think. It also makes me think that Austronesianization was peaceful and matri-local since much of the patrilineal lines are Austro-Asiatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Multilingual View Post
    Yes, that's what I think. It also makes me think that Austronesianization was peaceful and matri-local since much of the patrilineal lines are Austro-Asiatic.
    Do Austro-Asiatic speakers in China also have similiar genes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilham_indonesia View Post
    Do Austro-Asiatic speakers in China also have similiar genes?
    It may vary by population, but in this Razib Khan admixture run around July 23rd. 2011, it shows that the Wa and Malay have different components and varying amounts of shared components. The Wa are an Austro-Asiatic group in Southern China, and the Malay are an Austronesian group in Peninsular Malaysia with an Austro-Asiatic ancestry.

    I would roughly define the components as...

    Yellow = Austro-Asiatic
    Light blue = Bidayuh (or Land Dayak of Borneo)
    Green = Hmong/Tai (indigenous people of Southern China)
    Blue = Altaic
    Cyan = Jehai Negrito (Malaysian Negrito)
    Red = South Asian
    Purple = White Utah

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gn...ns/#more-13085



    ^ As we can see, the Wa have more of the yellow component (Austro-Asiatic) than the Malay. The Malay have more of the Green component (Hmong/Tai - Indigenous Southern China). The Malay also have some of the red component (South Asian) whereas the Wa have none. The Malay have a small but significant amount of the cyan component (Jehai Negrito - Malaysian Negrito), whereas the Wa have a neglible amount. The Malay have more of the light blue component (Bidayuh - Land Dayak of Borneo) than the Wa. The Wa have much more of the blue component (Altaic) than the Malay. The Malay have a small amount of the purple component (White Utah), and it's neglible in the Wa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frenchmontana View Post
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    I think they look more like from the Philippines

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    I'm surprised that they have been able to hold on to their Hindu beliefs in the face of the "Islamization" of most of the Indonesian population...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLantern_JV View Post
    I'm surprised that they have been able to hold on to their Hindu beliefs in the face of the "Islamization" of most of the Indonesian population...
    Islam in Indonesia was spreaded peacefully by traders from India and Arabia, mostly from Gujarat and Yemen. Even pre-Islamic traditions here are still practiced by Muslims but modified with Islamic rules of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ilham_indonesia View Post
    Islam in Indonesia was spreaded peacefully by traders from India and Arabia, mostly from Gujarat and Yemen. Even pre-Islamic traditions here are still practiced by Muslims but modified with Islamic rules of course.
    Good to know.

    Looks like the biggest external cultural threat is likely to come from White female and Japanese sex tourists having their way to local young Balinese men

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