The Indo-Aryan Gujjar nomads from Kashmir (Pakistan & NW India)

[simple]

they look like Afghanistan people?

[enkidu_]

Well, he is just a little kid. Lots of little kids have fat faces even when they're not so well off. I've seen red hair before on a few Potohari children, but it was a darker/brownish red, not orange/red. But even that is really rare. This kid's facial features look odd, and don't look "Indo-Afghan" at all, but since he's a just a kid it's hard to say.

True that, my own uncle had "light brownish" hair when he was younger, might post his pictures soon.
That's Raja Farooq Haider Khan (ex Chief Minister of Azad Kashmir), a Pahari Rajput, when he was younger, with his younger sisters (take a look at the one on the left):

The Punjabi Gujjars shown are overweight, so it's hard to make comparisons with a bunch of skinny goat herders. They look like they sit around all day drinking tea, and eating parathas.

There's some differences. I just think they match a subset of Potohari Punjabis, but it doesn't seem like they have as much as diversity. Potoharis seem to encompass both ends of the spectrum, where there are some with very narrow afghan like facial features, and others that are more "weddoid".

I'm still not totally convinced... well known British anthro. compared the "physical type" of the Gujjars of the plains with the Jatts... but the Gujjars from the hills (we're talking about here) seem to be a whole different equation altogether.

And yes, they're more homogeneous, only their skin tone vary a little but their facial features have a pattern, whereas Potoharis, as you put it, go from Afghan looking to "Weddoid" influenced, and remember that one of your own family's picture was a good example.

Wait, did you write the quote?

Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh no, I just said that there's a stereotype in my pind that the Gujjar nomads "look Afghan" (whatever it means) and that I was lucky enough to find a quote from a Western traveller who thought the same.

*see answer to @userwithoutname*

Anyways, the Khatri Punjabis stand out in Afghanistan because their phenotype and Sikh culture. Although, I think most Khatri Punjabis in Afghanistan speak both Punjabi and Pashto and are somewhat assimilated. Perhaps, not to the extent of Gujjars.

I think that Khatris were still discriminated based on their physic, "Hindko" for instance is nearly a derogatory term amongst our Iranic brothers, whereas Gujjars are "fully" integrated.

[mac]

I think that Khatris were still discriminated based on their physic, "Hindko" for instance is nearly a derogatory term amongst our Iranic brothers, whereas Gujjars are "fully" integrated.

Probably true. The fact that they aren't Sunni Muslims probably doesn't help either. Do you know if they speak Hindko rather than proper Punjabi?

[newtoboard]

They look different from Pashtuns imo as a whole. pashtuns do have quite a few more robust phenotypes leaning towards Iranid-Cromagnoid blends that obviously gujjars do not have.

[RobbieS]

Gujjars of the Hindi-speaking plains - Haryana, Rajasthan are very hard to distinguish from other communities co-inhabiting their areas.

[enkidu_]

others:

[Janos]

Gujjar is a caste and not an ethnic group?

what religion are they? They speak Indo-Aryan and not Iranic you said?

[asingh]

Gujjar is a caste and not an ethnic group?

what religion are they? They speak Indo-Aryan and not Iranic you said?

Ethnic group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurjar

[warrior]

Gujjar is a caste and not an ethnic group?

what religion are they? They speak Indo-Aryan and not Iranic you said?

Gujjar is a tribe, they speak many languages. Kashmiri Gujjars speak Kashmiri and Gujjari, Punjabi Gujjars speak Punjabi, Rajsthani,Haryanvi and UPite speak their own languages/dialects. Major religion - Islam and Hinduism.

[enkidu_]

Gujjar is a caste and not an ethnic group?

what religion are they? They speak Indo-Aryan and not Iranic you said?

Yes, Gujjar is a caste, but the Gujjars of Kashmir have their own looks, while the Gujjars of other NW Indian states (Punjab, Rajasthan, ...) just look like their upper-caste brethren.

The same with Rajputs of Rajasthan IMO.