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    Default Best ADMIXTURE Test/Analysis For North European Mesolithic Autosomal Ancestry

    Maybe this is a stupid question but I am wondering which ADMIXTURE test/analysis is the very best at picking out Mesolithic North European ancestry in one's genome? Currently it seems that Polako, Dienekes and Vadim all have different types of tests/analysis that seem to pick up some sort of signal of this old Mesolithic North European type ancestry. Polako has his Hunter-Gatherer vs. Farmer test, Dienekes has the K12b and Vadim has run a few of his own it seems. I know they can all basically show similar or the same type of results but which type of test would be the very best that we amateur genetic genealogists can use to look at our own genomes to pick out the signal of the ancient North European Mesolithic ancestry?

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    If you mean a test that tells you if your North European is Mesolithic?I think none, but a test that can be good to analyze your different Euro ancestries is Euro7 in my opinion

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    No, this science stuff is all bullshit.

    You can tell whether you are European by what you eat more of:

    Bread - You are European
    Rice - Asian
    Maize - Native American
    Babies - African
    Processed Cheese - North American of European Descent
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    I thought Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer broke things down in the most digestable of terms. Some of the others can be confusing since they seem to take precentages away from other cateogries. This was definitely the case for me on MDLP where my Celto-Germanic heritage took a sizeable chunk out of my Paleo-Northern component. At least that's what I suspected to have happened, that is if I'm interpreting things correctly....

    The categories though for Eurogenes seem to class more cleanly and seem to lack categorical overlap. So IMO I'd say that may give you the most truth/most easily digestable results.

    Have you tried them already BTW?

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    I am talking abut the North European type ancestral components that Polako and Dienekes use in their projects. This stuff has been at the forefront lately since the discovery of the two Mesolithic skeletons that scientists have managed to get some autosomal DNA from. I am wondering which test or analysis that either Polako, Dienekes or Vadim have released that may be the absolute best for us amateurs to check our own genomes for signals of Mesolithic North European ancestry?

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.ca/2012/06...esolithic.html

    http://dienekes.blogspot.ca/2012/07/...vasion-of.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by geomattica View Post
    I thought Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer broke things down in the most digestable of terms. Some of the others can be confusing since they seem to take precentages away from other cateogries. This was definitely the case for me on MDLP where my Celto-Germanic heritage took a sizeable chunk out of my Paleo-Northern component. At least that's what I suspected to have happened, that is if I'm interpreting things correctly....

    The categories though for Eurogenes seem to class more cleanly and seem to lack categorical overlap. So IMO I'd say that may give you the most truth/most easily digestable results.

    Have you tried them already BTW?
    Yes I thought also that maybe the Eurogenes Hunter-Gatherer vs. Farmer analysis may be the very best for picking out Mesolithic North European autosomal ancestry but I am not completely sure now.

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    I'm surprised the new samples haven't been used to create some updated calculators.
    Maybe they are waiting for a larger collection of samples.

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    Oh and yes geomattica I have tried all of the tests you mentioned above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAX View Post
    Yes I thought also that maybe the Eurogenes Hunter-Gatherer vs. Farmer analysis may be the very best for picking out Mesolithic North European autosomal ancestry but I am not completely sure now.
    Well, the HG vs Farmer has a modal baltic component, that's all, doesn't mean it's the mesolithic component. The La Braña type had also quite of mediterranean, we can't still know for sure which components were in Souther-Europe prior to Neolithic.

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    Speaking of all this I know one of these calculators has a K=15 component(?). Which one was that and where can one get it?



    Quote Originally Posted by Vetton View Post
    Well, the HG vs Farmer has a modal baltic component, that's all, doesn't mean it's the mesolithic component. The La Braña type had also quite of mediterranean, we can't still know for sure which components were in Souther-Europe prior to Neolithic.
    That's interesting cause from MDLP K=12 I come back as greatly Paleo-med. So this may be inaccurate then?

    edit: I've just never been sure how to accruately interpret that category though I believe Sardinians are used a population base line(?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vetton View Post
    Well, the HG vs Farmer has a modal baltic component, that's all, doesn't mean it's the mesolithic component. The La Braña type had also quite of mediterranean, we can't still know for sure which components were in Souther-Europe prior to Neolithic.
    I am quite sure that the Baltic Hunter-Gatherer component in the HG vs. Farmer test from Eurogenes has a lot of Mesolithic North European alleles in it.

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