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Thread: All North Euros are significantly East Asian??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre Organtino View Post
    R1a is not Central Asian. It's benn brought there by nomads from Eastern Europe. Otherwise you'd have to explain how on Earth Slavs and other EasternEuros have tonns of R1abut close to zero C and Q which are present throught all of Central Asia.
    Where is all this N1c, I, also european R1b and even some E that nomads from Eastern Europe should have been spreading towards other parts of asia? I am not here to support R1a is Central Asian in origin, but takoja is right your argument is flimsy at best.

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    Technically, it's 100.56 for the germanics nations because England is 100.5

    But a more valid procedure is to weight the nations so that we are averaging the germanic people. With a rough estimate I get 101.25

    So the germanics (people) and the polish have a gap of ~2.25 which is very significant. And to be more fair we should compare germanics to north slavs, not just the smartest slavs who happen to be the least marginal... I won't even bother with the math because the gap would only grow from 2.25.

    So, like I said, the slavs, who inhabit the marginal lands, are not as smart as the germanics occupying the less marginal area. The same is true for the Chinese and Koreans vs the Mongolians.

    "This difference can be explained by the difference in income per capita"

    Lol, what?!?

    The smarter group would naturally have a better gdp. That's like saying if Kenya were rich they'd have an iq higher than the Germans...

    Also, I'd expect the less peripheral, more populous, less inbred, higher gdp group to have a higher iq in terms of genetics due to the sexual section and rate good mutations can spread.

    Bringing up gdp solves nothing. The question of iq is how much is genetic and how much is culture. The research says most group differences are due to genetics is is say its the sane for the small but significant differences between the germanics and slavs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Day Tripper View Post
    Neanderthals are equally related to Denisovans as modern humans are. The common ancestor of Neanderthals and humans lived after Denisovans split off.

    l this was done a long time ago when only the mtdna of a denisovan have been sequenced ,now that we have decoded most of the denisovan genome ,we know that neanderthal and denisovan separate at the same date from what become homo sapiens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nuadha View Post
    Technically, it's 100.56 for the germanics nations because England is 100.5

    But a more valid procedure is to weight the nations so that we are averaging the germanic people. With a rough estimate I get 101.25

    So the germanics (people) and the polish have a gap of ~2.25 which is very significant. And to be more fair we should compare germanics to north slavs, not just the smartest slavs who happen to be the least marginal... I won't even bother with the math because the gap would only grow from 2.25.

    So, like I said, the slavs, who inhabit the marginal lands, are not as smart as the germanics occupying the less marginal area. The same is true for the Chinese and Koreans vs the Mongolians.

    "This difference can be explained by the difference in income per capita"

    Lol, what?!?

    The smarter group would naturally have a better gdp. That's like saying if Kenya were rich they'd have an iq higher than the Germans...

    Also, I'd expect the less peripheral, more populous, less inbred, higher gdp group to have a higher iq in terms of genetics due to the sexual section and rate good mutations can spread.

    Bringing up gdp solves nothing. The question of iq is how much is genetic and how much is culture. The research says most group differences are due to genetics is is say its the sane for the small but significant differences between the germanics and slavs.
    I don't want to continue this off-topic provoked by my humorous responce to trolling, but according to your reasoning communist East Germans had certainly lower IQ than non-communist West Germans, because they were much poorer, but now they are quickly evolving towards higher intelligence. And North Koreans have much lower IQ than South Koreans.
    Last edited by Wojewoda; 2012-08-06 at 06:48.

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    ^ Indeed, but East Germans are kinda hopeless by all accounts anyway, due to the massive amounts of funding they received from West Germany. Poles have become more industrious because they didn't have acces to this help, so Poland is actually developing much faster and in a more useful way than the former East Germany. I've seen quite a few articles on this phenomenon, including in the German media.

    Anyway, I need to post this thing here...

    Europeans are mainly the descendants of Neolithic farmers from the Near East and native European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, with the Mesolithic component peaking in Northeastern Europe. Moreover, all Europeans have prehistoric East Asian admixture, but Northern Europeans have more of it than Southern Europeans. However, Southern Europeans have recent Sub-Saharan African ancestry that Northern Europeans lack.
    Genetic origins and structure of Europeans in one paragraph

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biloo View Post
    This is only true for italians and some southeast european ethnicities. The rest of Europe is clearly distinct from West Asia.

    Joseph Capelli : " I'm an italian wog with obvious middle-eastern genetic admixture, and I want all europeans to be like me so I can feel better about myself !! "

    You are so delusional. When have I said that Europeans and West Asians are the same? Of course they are distinct, but they are still very similar. Just take a look at any global PCA plot. Euros and West Asians are very close to each other. Moreover the west asian component is closer to the north european one than the med component. Nuff said.
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    The highest frequency of R1b-U152 in Italy, or indeed anywhere in the world, is found in Tuscany, Emilia and southern Lombardy, a region corresponding fairly well to ancient Etruria.

    Source Boattini et al. 2013.

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    "but according to your reasoning communist East Germans had certainly lower IQ than non-communist West Germans, because they were much poorer"

    No, that reasoning was never a part of my argument. I never even used that reasoning.

    The only thing I said was that you can't equalize peoples gdp and then adjust the iq accordingly, because, for one, gdp itself depends on iq. But neither is gdp a measure of iq, clearly that's not the case.

    Poland is cool, no need to be the best at everything though.

    And yes, we are off topic by a few steps!!!

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